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We still have a few days of action before the break commences but might as well start discussing the 2nd half of the season and what we see happening and maybe even some early playoff thoughts as well...

We have around 1/3 of the season left when things get going again and the playoff push is certainly on. This should be when things start to get serious. We are not at the mercy of covid protocols much at all anymore and hopefully that means we play games as scheduled up until the playoffs.

First of all, the trades....

I don't see a huge shift of power here at all in the East. Now, I do think the Nets will be better overall as a team when healthy. Obviously you guys know I like Curry a lot and think he is an absolute steal in this trade. The Nets system should suit him perfectly. The big question will be if/when the NYC rule about home players ends. We'll see... hopefully so. You would expect Durant to come back healthy, as he has before, despite his age. So many variables here, and they likely will be facing a tough road to finals due to their position in the standings. With all that being said, we have no idea what to expect from ole #10.

On the other end, Philly wasn't a Finals contender before the trade and IMO, certainly are not now. James has lost a smidge from his best years. He isn't ever in great shape and the new rules have hindered his game a bit. JoJo has been awesome the last few months, but he is an injury waiting to happen at any time. Doc doesn't inspire much as a coach either. Could they surprise me? Sure. We'll just have to see...

As far as the rest of the east...

Miami is finally playing with most their players and look pretty damn good. The playoffs come down to health for them and consistent offense. That is it. Great coach and a very good defense.

Milwaukee is the champs until someone knocks them off. They also have barely had a full roster. While I like a player such as Serge being added to this team, I hate losing Donte. It is what it is though, and if healthy they have the confidence finally to win big games in the playoffs.

I'm seeing a lot of Boston love the last few weeks around here and across social media. I am going to let you guys state your case here. I am indifferent to this team and do not consider them anything more than a tough 1st round out who is capable of getting to the 2nd round. Talk to me...

The Bulls were my surprise pre-season team and they have exceeded expectations, no doubt. The injuries have hurt, and I would expect they will slide a bit in the standings, but the future is right as they fine-tune that roster. Lavine seeing a specialist, we shall see what happens.

Cleveland is like the Knicks last year and other teams in the past that are very, very good regular season teams but maybe not as tough come the playoffs? Garland is fun to watch, and I like their pieces. The playoffs could come down to a matchup and they will definitely make their opponents work in a potential 2nd round matchup. Let's stay tuned here...

Toronto is a solid team. They'll be a matchup no one wants in that 1st round, because that series will go deep.

That is about it for the East. At this time, I see Miami and Milwaukee as the only legit candidates to represent the conference in the finals. I just don't think Brookyln has enough time to gel and get totally cohesive. I am not sleeping on them though...to be continued with them...

Let's head out West now...

This is a two-team race to the Finals as I have said for a few weeks now. Phoenix is the class of the West and the Warriors are right behind them. After the top 5, no one has a chance of making it to the 2nd round. I do hope Minnesota makes the dance, as they are fun and need to get some postseason experience. The LA teams are quite mediocre. Denver still is hanging on to that coach. That bubble Finals is the worst thing that ever happened to them as it has stunted any growth since.

Let's look at the middle teams...

Utah seems to be a mess again. The chemistry seems off like 2 years ago at this time right before corona etc. The loss of Jingles cannot be underestimated, and Donovan seemingly has one foot out the door looking for a bigger market. Now, they have gotten one a roll and proved me wrong before, but I am just not seeing it. That playoff defense last year showed a lot of warts. They can win a series if they stay in the 4/5 but it will not be easy. I think this team gets blown up pretty soon...

Dallas shipped out Porzingas right before the deadline. That was a bit of a surprise but no qualms there as he is a one side of the equation player. The Mavs have improved defensively this year under Kidd but the offense isn't always the most consistent. Luka is having the quietest 27-9-9 season ever. If only he played the Clippers every night, he'd be the goat. This is a team that will be a pesky out and could steal a few from the Suns or Warriors but 2nd round is their max. They need a true 'Robin' for Doncic.

Memphis is the team we all want to root for. Their record is incredible considering where they were at a few years ago. The offense is fun, the young guys provide exciting play...I don't have many negatives to post about them. They got some experience last year as well in the postseason. They are not ready to be a deep run team, but they will make some noise. Obviously, the style will need to adapt a bit in the playoffs but that will be part of the fun capping things...A 2nd round series with the Warriors would be great for the league. Hopefully that is how things shake out.

Lets go back to the top...

The Phoenix Suns should be the favorite to win the whole thing. This team is better, more consistent and on a mission since last year. They have quite the 4th quarter killer instinct and just a fun old style team that has a star surrounded by great roles players and an all-timer running the show. I hope they stay healthy and get back to the WCF's where I expect a healthy Warriors team to give them everything they got. This is the most exciting series in the west since the possible LA Conference Finals that got derailed by the Rona.

The Warriors have so much going for them right now...

-Klay is back
-Wiggins having a career year
-Excellent young support players
-Steph, although looking tired now, should be back to himself when the lights shine bright.
-They also haven't played deep into a season since 2019, so that helps as well.

Draymond obviously a question right now but they are taking it slow it seems. You just need him ready for May, right?


So, let us recap....

I have 5 teams that can win it all...

Suns
Warriors
Bucks
Heat
Nets

I'd be surprised if anyone else cracks that top 5(and Nets are hardly top 5 right now).


As far as 2nd half of the season capping....lets try and discuss these topics...

-Who do we see surging?
-Who do we see falling back?
-How funny will it be to see LeBron in a play-in game again?
-Who could possibly be tanking?
-Which teams could possibly start to quit once out of contention for a playoff spot?

Discuss away!
 
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We still have a few days of action before the break commences but might as well start discussing the 2nd half of the season and what we see happening and maybe even some early playoff thoughts as well...

We have around 1/3 of the season left when things get going again and the playoff push is certainly on. This should be when things start to get serious. We are not at the mercy of covid protocols much at all anymore and hopefully that means we play games as scheduled up until the playoffs.

First of all, the trades....

I don't see a huge shift of power here at all in the East. Now, I do think the Nets will be better overall as a team when healthy. Obviously you guys know I like Curry a lot and think he is an absolute steal in this trade. The Nets system should suit him perfectly. The big question will be if/when the NYC rule about home players ends. We'll see... hopefully so. You would expect Durant to come back healthy, as he has before, despite his age. So many variables here, and they likely will be facing a tough road to finals due to their position in the standings. With all that being said, we have no idea what to expect from ole #10.

On the other end, Philly wasn't a Finals contender before the trade and IMO, certainly are not now. James has lost a smidge from his best years. He isn't ever in great shape and the new rules have hindered his game a bit. JoJo has been awesome the last few months, but he is an injury waiting to happen at any time. Doc doesn't inspire much as a coach either. Could they surprise me? Sure. We'll just have to see...

As far as the rest of the east...

Miami is finally playing with most their players and look pretty damn good. The playoffs come down to health for them and consistent offense. That is it. Great coach and a very good defense.

Milwaukee is the champs until someone knocks them off. They also have barely had a full roster. While I like a player such as Serge being added to this team, I hate losing Donte. It is what it is though, and if healthy they have the confidence finally to win big games in the playoffs.

I'm seeing a lot of Boston love the last few weeks around here and across social media. I am going to let you guys state your case here. I am indifferent to this team and do not consider them anything more than a tough 1st round out who is capable of getting to the 2nd round. Talk to me...

The Bulls were my surprise pre-season team and they have exceeded expectations, no doubt. The injuries have hurt, and I would expect they will slide a bit in the standings, but the future is right as they fine-tune that roster. Lavine seeing a specialist, we shall see what happens.

Cleveland is like the Knicks last year and other teams in the past that are very, very good regular season teams but maybe not as tough come the playoffs? Garland is fun to watch, and I like their pieces. The playoffs could come down to a matchup and they will definitely make their opponents work in a potential 2nd round matchup. Let's stay tuned here...

Toronto is a solid team. They'll be a matchup no one wants in that 1st round, because that series will go deep.

That is about it for the East. At this time, I see Miami and Milwaukee as the only legit candidates to represent the conference in the finals. I just don't think Brookyln has enough time to gel and get totally cohesive. I am not sleeping on them though...to be continued with them...

Let's head out West now...

This is a two-team race to the Finals as I have said for a few weeks now. Phoenix is the class of the West and the Warriors are right behind them. After the top 5, no one has a chance of making it to the 2nd round. I do hope Minnesota makes the dance, as they are fun and need to get some postseason experience. The LA teams are quite mediocre. Denver still is hanging on to that coach. That bubble Finals is the worst thing that ever happened to them as it has stunted any growth since.

Let's look at the middle teams...

Utah seems to be a mess again. The chemistry seems off like 2 years ago at this time right before corona etc. The loss of Jingles cannot be underestimated, and Donovan seemingly has one foot out the door looking for a bigger market. Now, they have gotten one a roll and proved me wrong before, but I am just not seeing it. That playoff defense last year showed a lot of warts. They can win a series if they stay in the 4/5 but it will not be easy. I think this team gets blown up pretty soon...

Dallas shipped out Porzingas right before the deadline. That was a bit of a surprise but no qualms there as he is a one side of the equation player. The Mavs have improved defensively this year under Kidd but the offense isn't always the most consistent. Luka is having the quietest 27-9-9 season ever. If only he played the Clippers every night, he'd be the goat. This is a team that will be a pesky out and could steal a few from the Suns or Warriors but 2nd round is their max. They need a true 'Robin' for Doncic.

Memphis is the team we all want to root for. Their record is incredible considering where they were at a few years ago. The offense is fun, the young guys provide exciting play...I don't have many negatives to post about them. They got some experience last year as well in the postseason. They are not ready to be a deep run team, but they will make some noise. Obviously, the style will need to adapt a bit in the playoffs but that will be part of the fun capping things...A 2nd round series with the Warriors would be great for the league. Hopefully that is how things shake out.

Lets go back to the top...

The Phoenix Suns should be the favorite to win the whole thing. This team is better, more consistent and on a mission since last year. They have quite the 4th quarter killer instinct and just a fun old style team that has a star surrounded by great roles players and an all-timer running the show. I hope they stay healthy and get back to the WCF's where I expect a healthy Warriors team to give them everything they got. This is the most exciting series in the west since the possible LA Conference Finals that got derailed by the Rona.

The Warriors have so much going for them right now...

-Klay is back
-Wiggins having a career year
-Excellent young support players
-Steph, although looking tired now, should be back to himself when the lights shine bright.
-They also haven't played deep into a season since 2019, so that helps as well.

Draymond obviously a question right now but they are taking it slow it seems. You just need him ready for May, right?


So, let us recap....

I have 5 teams that can win it all...

Suns
Warriors
Bucks
Heat
Nets

I'd be surprised if anyone else cracks that top 5(and Nets are hardly top 5 right now).


As far as 2nd half of the season capping....lets try and discuss these topics...

-Who do we see surging?
-Who do we see falling back?
-How funny will it be to see LeBron in a play-in game again?
-Who could possibly be tanking?
-Which teams could possibly start to quit once out of contention for a playoff spot?

Discuss away!

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All well said and I agree on many many points. Bulls’ even if healthy can’t steal the East - missed too many games together and DD can’t keep this up and likely wouldn’t in the playoffs.
 
I have no idea on the health of Ball or Lavine? I agree bulls need them back and everyone playing together for a stretch before the playoffs start and I dunno if that a possibility or not? Certainly don’t help them that this the fewest reg season games remaining after the asb I ever recall. Assuming they do get healthy I have a hard time writing them off in the east. Life should actually get easier for DeRozen come playoff time assuming everyone playing, or if not I think Lavine and even ball would be perfectly capable of making a team pay for focusing all their attention on DeRozen in a playoff series,

The east has gotten far more interesting, lot of depth and teams with legit potential but outside Milwaukee there isn’t any team I have great trust in. No secret I think way more of nets chances after the trade but I think that more likely to come together next season. Just not any teams i think would have a easy time with a healthy bulls squad in a 7 game series. Certainly not saying I love the bulls, just think if healthy they fall in group of teams in east who have a reasonable chance for a playoff run. Health obviously being the key word w them, as I said I have no clue on that front?
 
Hate to say it but kinda agree bout Cavs, I wouldn’t lump them in with last year Knicks as I think they have more young talent on the rise more so than this being a fluky 1 off season, but far as the reg season being better than playoffs seems likely. Going out and getting Levert could be big if he can carve himself out a consistent role as he plays more with them. This years playoffs should be a building block getting them experience going forward. I think they will have a impact on the playoffs in the regard the team who has to play them will prob expend a lot of energy to knock them off.
 
After bucks Miami might be the team in the east I have the most confidence in. They played a ton of the 1st half nowhere close to healthy, now they should have pretty much everyone available and playing together down the stretch. Fair to say they the best coached team in east? Prob the most physical after milw also.
 
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Hate to say it but kinda agree bout Cavs, I wouldn’t lump them in with last year Knicks as I think they have more young talent on the rise more so than this being a fluky 1 off season, but far as the reg season being better than playoffs seems likely. Going out and getting Levert could be big if he can carve himself out a consistent role as he plays more with them. This years playoffs should be a building block getting them experience going forward. I think they will have a impact on the playoffs in the regard the team who has to play them will prob expend a lot of energy to knock them off.
Last year ATL seems comparable with CLE. Could overachieve and make the conference finals if they're hot at the right time.
 
After bucks Miami might be the team in the east I have the most confidence in. They played a ton of the 1st half nowhere close to healthy, now they should have pretty much everyone available and playing together down the stretch. Fair to say they the best coached team in east? Prob the most physical after milw also.
Funny thing about Spoelstra is I'm pretty sure everyone thought he was in over his head when he got that job and were waiting for him to fizzle

He's likely to become a HOF coach, he gets the it about the NBA coaching gig which seems tough to do
 
Funny thing about Spoelstra is I'm pretty sure everyone thought he was in over his head when he got that job and were waiting for him to fizzle

He's likely to become a HOF coach, he gets the it about the NBA coaching gig which seems tough to do

Yea I remember back when bron formed his super team it def seemed like spo got lot of grief. I always assumed he be good being the guy Riley picked, I tend to trust the ppl I know smart.
 
Last year ATL seems comparable with CLE. Could overachieve and make the conference finals if they're hot at the right time.

There a lot of teams in the east that I like but wouldn’t go as far to say I trust in the playoffs! Lol. Feel like it really wide open where as I think the west comes down to suns/warriors. Raptors are really interesting to me.
 
The west feels much more like the NBA I’m used to where it pretty much a given what 2 teams gonna play in conf finals. Memphis the only team I think could potentially throw a wrench in that and I don’t think it very likely. I do think it be a big disadvantage for whomever it is between suns/warriors who get stuck having to play them in the round before!

Feel like there easily 4 teams in the east who could end up playing in conf championship this year, maybe a argument for 5 or 6!!
 
I don’t think t-wolves gonna do much but does anyone want to play them in round 1 and risk them being crazy hot from 3? Lol
 
The west feels much more like the NBA I’m used to where it pretty much a given what 2 teams gonna play in conf finals. Memphis the only team I think could potentially throw a wrench in that and I don’t think it very likely. I do think it be a big disadvantage for whomever it is between suns/warriors who get stuck having to play them in the round before!

Feel like there easily 4 teams in the east who could end up playing in conf championship this year, maybe a argument for 5 or 6!!
Clips should have Kawhi and PG back so that's a thing, whether they can mesh up really quickly is a craps shoot
 
Clips should have Kawhi and PG back so that's a thing, whether they can mesh up really quickly is a craps shoot

No shit? I assumed kawhi wasn’t gonna play at all this year. Think they need to get some games in with all the changes to roster but yes they won’t be a easy out.
 
I wanted to say there was value on Memphis (not sure that the case any longer), problem is I don’t think they can beat the warriors or suns, we know how nba goes, for most part a young up and coming team has to take a bunch of lumps in the playoffs before getting over the hump! Suns were quite the anomaly last year. Don’t really count the heat with the bubble and all. The east is def the conf to take shots in as I think there 5-6 teams who could conceivably make a deep run, bucks are def the team to beat but I dunno that they unbeatable?
 
I love laughing at the Nets and seeing them self-destruct but signing Dragic was a brilliant move even if Kyrie is allowed to play in home games
 
If KD is healthy nets are a play in the playoffs

Real interested in how they use simmons, no one would get the ultimate love in if he plays well from the nba media, with how many shooters they have he can play inside with 4 on outside, hes such a step up on defense too. Gives them someone who can match up with everyone almost

Joe Tsai has to be in Eric Adam's ear about those restrictions getting lifted before april/may for kyrie
 
Are we sure LeBron isnt going to bring back the trade deadline just for him to trade himself to cleveland?

He was thirsty to be a cav again all weekend. He literally said it's like cleveland had 3 all stars, garland, allen, and me
 
If KD is healthy nets are a play in the playoffs

Real interested in how they use simmons, no one would get the ultimate love in if he plays well from the nba media, with how many shooters they have he can play inside with 4 on outside, hes such a step up on defense too. Gives them someone who can match up with everyone almost

Joe Tsai has to be in Eric Adam's ear about those restrictions getting lifted before april/may for kyrie

Simmons a huge IF but no secret I do think nets have a much more legit chance after that trade. He a far better fit! I don’t really trust kyrie tho. they lift the restrictions and he will find another asinine reason not to play! Gotta say I didn’t realize visiting teams still allowed to have non vax players play! What kind of retarded horse shit is that? I don’t wanna get into any kind of covid, vax, or political debate, just another case of how unbelievably hypocritical this country can be!!

Even tho I like nets a lot better with Simmons, plus adding Curry and Drummond to lessor extent, still tough for me to swallow playing them as the favs without any games under their belts. Wanted to say there was value just because odds went up after the trade but I thought they were incredibly overvalued to begin with so tough to say. Almost think next year will be the year for them, unless they can get everyone on court playing together in really quick fashion, there just not a lot of games left! Tough to see them able to beat bucks or few the other teams with much more continuity this year if they only get 10-15 games together before playoffs start!
 
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Seeing at least 4 weeks

Or as it goes, until 2-3 days before he's out for another month

Cp3 thumb turned out way worse than we saw coming. He never exactly been a beacon of health come playoff time either! That a much bigger story since I don’t think lakers have a legit chance even with a healthy AD, although for those few weeks he was healthy he was playing much more like the guy he should be every night, him playing like that and a healthy bron dangerous. (Don’t take that as meaning I think they have any chance, just dangerous to a team in the early rounds! Warriors and/or suns would take them apart in 5 even with healthy AD and bron!).
 
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Sounds like wiseman will be back for gsw in March. It’ll be interesting to see what their ceiling looks like when (if?) they’re fully healthy
 
Cp3 thumb turned out way worse than we saw coming. He never exactly been a beacon of health come playoff time either! That a much bigger story since I don’t think lakers have a legit chance even with a healthy AD, although for those few weeks he was healthy he was playing much more like the guy he should be every night, him playing like that and a healthy bron dangerous. (Don’t take that as meaning I think they have any chance, just dangerous to a team in the early rounds! Warriors and/or suns would take them apart in 5 even with healthy AD and bron!).
He needs the rest, at 6.5 games up it's not urgent with Payne back and Shamet will take some guard minutes too.
 
Value on the Nuggets I believe. If Murray and Porter both come back as expected before the year is up, that's a team that's being way undervalued even though Reno is convinced he can coach better than Malone. Seeing +3000 on them and +1400 to win the West is value if (big if) the come back healthy and get into the flow really quickly.
 
He needs the rest, at 6.5 games up it's not urgent with Payne back and Shamet will take some guard minutes too.

Yea that is def one way of looking at it. Might actually be a good thing for them if this keeps him fresh for playoffs. Obviously better now and not a soft tissue type injury. Not like he needs anymore time playing w these guys to be on same page, lol. Could be a blessing in disguise in a few ways, rest for him plus getting the other guys valuable minutes before the playoffs.
 
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Value on the Nuggets I believe. If Murray and Porter both come back as expected before the year is up, that's a team that's being way undervalued even though Reno is convinced he can coach better than Malone. Seeing +3000 on them and +1400 to win the West is value if (big if) the come back healthy and get into the flow really quickly.

I worry if they will ever have Porter fully right again? Or for very long stretches anyways? feels like a small miracle he was able to keep his back healthy enough, long enough to get the big deal! Granted he got them to back the truck up a little early, smart move by him, maybe not most prudent thing by them considering his history and how a bad back is usually a lifetime of hell and his started very early, as in we got cheated out of ever getting to see him play at mizzou outside like 1 ncaa tourney game! Lol. Sure felt like he was always “doing well” and “on track” to be back then always got delayed, hopefully that not the case again. 3 back surgeries by 23 isn’t a good thing for anyone!
 
i think its PHX ship to lose.... Heat can be scary but offense will be the reason they win or lose.... Herro will need to step up big time to create offense in the 4th when teams clamp down on Jimmy...... I truly believe the heat success will depend on how far Herro can take them..... if he plays like he did in the bubble Heat have a chance.....
 
unless there are injuries that carry into playoffs, i also don't see how the west finals wouldn't be phx/gs. everyone i've heard from has been on board with the nuns to take it. even conceding that they will have home court, would everyone really be comfortable investing their money in the nuns beating the warriors in a playoff series, especially that you wouldn't be getting them at a + number? i believed they were the best team last year, and they still managed to blow a 2-0 lead in the finals with ease. a proven loser would have to win something at least once to even make me consider laying money on them. even then, i'd still most likely consider it a fluke unless they did it again. i would view taking the nuns to win it all this season equivalent to betting the jills to win the super bowl in the early 90s. they're just going to find a way to lose, especially when matched up against a team that finds a way to win even when they don't play well.
 
unless there are injuries that carry into playoffs, i also don't see how the west finals wouldn't be phx/gs. everyone i've heard from has been on board with the nuns to take it. even conceding that they will have home court, would everyone really be comfortable investing their money in the nuns beating the warriors in a playoff series, especially that you wouldn't be getting them at a + number? i believed they were the best team last year, and they still managed to blow a 2-0 lead in the finals with ease. a proven loser would have to win something at least once to even make me consider laying money on them. even then, i'd still most likely consider it a fluke unless they did it again. i would view taking the nuns to win it all this season equivalent to betting the jills to win the super bowl in the early 90s. they're just going to find a way to lose, especially when matched up against a team that finds a way to win even when they don't play well.

I don’t see myself being quick to be against warriors in that series. Most likely I would bet it to go long, like take whichever team every time they down a game, or look to get split on im assuming both teams as road dogs in the 1st 4 games, I’d prob lean warriors tho. Still a long ways to go, we see who healthy and playing well by then!
 
Don’t wanna overreact to a few games but all a sudden think I buy Philly way more than I want to seeing how much I dislike harden. Biggest reason, other than fact harden/embid gonna be damn near impossible to stop in pick and roll, Is how good Maxey has looked these 1st 2 games playing with harden in lineup. I’m big Maxey fan and was afraid harden joining this team hurt him but early returns have said something totally different.
 
Don’t wanna overreact to a few games but all a sudden think I buy Philly way more than I want to seeing how much I dislike harden. Biggest reason, other than fact harden/embid gonna be damn near impossible to stop in pick and roll, Is how good Maxey has looked these 1st 2 games playing with harden in lineup. I’m big Maxey fan and was afraid harden joining this team hurt him but early returns have said something totally different.
For me it takes at least 8 games because while you can point out the new toys that Philly can play with, defenses need time to adjust to them too. Offense always has the advantage with trades.
 
For me it takes at least 8 games because while you can point out the new toys that Philly can play with, defenses need time to adjust to them too. Offense always has the advantage with trades.

I get it. Like I said I’m not trying to overreact to a couple games vs a suspect minny d and a crappy Knicks team. It just the fact Maxey looks so good that makes me think I might have underestimated this move, I really thought it would hurt him, it still could but he has looked incredibly comfortable, been even more efficient. I thought harden demanding the ball so much/being the one with it in his hands would be a problem for Maxey but didn’t really consider he gonna most likely draw a lessor defender he can blow by whenever he wants. I don’t see him being the spot up shooter/3 and d guy you would think fit better, although his 3 point shooting been a lot better than I expected all year that still not really his game, could be his ability with the ball in his hands off the dribble works also. Harris might be the guy who gonna have to except a lessor role? If that turns out to be the case I think Philly turns into bucks biggest threat.
 
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