Week 1 ML Dogs

ProV1Colt

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It's almost time! Thought about getting this thread started back up again.
Haven't seen many ML out yet but why not get a head start on talking about some Underdogs. We had some great insight and discussions on outright Underdog winners last year.

Lets get this discussion started for Week 1.......

I will keep a log each week of what ML Dogs hit and their odds.

ML Dog Winners Week 0-1
(BOL #s)

Hawaii +3 +133
TN St +15 +550
Maryland +19 +700
Cal +13 +415
South Carolina +8 +260
Marshall +3.5 +150
Costal Carolina +2.5 +125

On 5 Dimes they had :
Liberty +33.5 +7500
Howard +45 +55000

Link to odds
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/college-football/money-line/?date=20170902
 
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thanks for getting this started Colt
Last year was a great start and lots of good posts and info
Looking forward to this all year and hopefully can contribute to some winners for all
 
From what I've read so far this year, I think these could have a chance (tried for +7 or more dog)

Middle Tenn (+5)
Florida Atlantic (+13)
Col St. (+7)
Wyoming (+13)
Troy (+12)
FSU (+7)
 
I think UTSA is going to keep it close with Houston and I am going with the +13 and the ML
Coaching and recruiting has really improved at UTSA.
I like Applewhite but not sure he has Houston to the level for this point spread, drop off with Herman leaving makes this a play for me.
 
I have a list that I am considering just dropping 0.1 units on each, but haven't finalized it yet. Tough thing is all the value is slowly getting sucked out of the ML on these as the dogs are getting heavy play over the last week so by the time the MLs come out, the numbers might be too low for my tastes, but we'll see...

BYU
Arky State
USA
UTSA
App State
S Miss
Troy
Wyoming
BGSU
FAU
Maryland
 
Nice list Carolina.
Wyoming is on my radar as well.

Thanks man. The hardest part is narrowing the list down and then not looking back as inevitably one of the ones I scratch from the list will end up hitting, so my advice would be to play whichever ones I scratch off my list haha.
 
I'm still catching up and don't have much productive suggestions to share at the moment.

I did want to add an opinion on Wyoming however. Anyone in this thread last year knows how much we all loved that team cashing those MLs! A few things have me worried about their potential this year.

#1 is the loss of RB Hill and all of those yards he racked up, so it is all on Allen now it appears until or if a productive running game can emerge without Hill. And we know Allen can be boom or bust. Your typical gunslinger. #2 is that Allen seems to be almost a household name now right? I mean I hear all this 2018 draft talk about him, dark horse heisman...I just don't know how appropriate any of that is and I wonder if any of it will have an impact on him, in a positive or negative way. #3 the top 3 receivers are all gone and so is that chemistry from last year, 155 receptions gone from 5 guys and 49 back split among 6 guys. Noteworthy that #1 Gentry was the go-to and often Allen's bailout guy, he had more catches than the 2nd and 3rd guy combined - who both of those guys are gone too. #4 four of their 5 upset wins happened in Laramie last year and while they relished in the home dog role, they were often a different team on the road. #5 is the defense. Now the defense likely can take a step forward this year and they need to. With regard to the opponent at hand, Iowa, that defense is going to have to play huge. Can they vs what Iowa will want to do? The most recent game in our memory is the BYU Holiday bowl when it seemed like Williams would be able to name whatever yardage number he wanted, and the SD St MWC Title game and oh god does anyone remember what NM did to them on the ground? Iowa's strength is going to be their OL and running game vs Poke D. Now WYO D staff can gameplan to force Stanley and limited Hawk receiving targets beat them, but one has to wonder can the brown and gold personnel consistently make stops on the ground vs the black hearts gold pants crew? I'd be skeptical having to bank on that even assuming they load the box.

We all know that Iowa is a notoriously slow starting team and they lack much offensive creativity, coupled with Wyoming's live dog record from last year, plus Iowa is without their top 3 CBs from 2016 now with Rugumba suspended; I think it is understandable why this game has been getting some hype on the upset radar. But when I try and justify putting money on Wyoming to do it, I am gun shy.

I think a WYO ML bet needs to be thoroughly vetted because just betting on carry-over from last year's success wouldn't seem to be enough. If Allen can shoulder the entire offense with new receiving targets and and a poor MWC D to pull out the upset, then this might be the start of a great year for him. One thing to keep an eye on the weather and what the humidity is. Not much humidity at the Laramie elevation, if it is a humid day Iowa's depth on the OL and DL could play a big role.

Hopefully I'll be back with some ideas on the week 1 games next week.
 
Not for the faint of heart perhaps (most sizable ML dog plays aren't)...

FIU +797

I'll admit I sat with an FIU ticket last year nervously watching the Panthers fade in their loss to Indiana, a game that FIU actually led 13-12 entering the 4th before falling 13-34 in a game with IU capitalizing on 2 pick-sixes and a safety. The wheels may never have been installed on that wagon last year, but if so, they came off in game 1 and it was all down hill from there and a surging UCF embarrassed FIU (0-3 and off losing to UMass) in week 4.

Entering his 4th year starting is QB McGough who's claim to fame was his Soph 2015 season 2722py-64%21-8 ratio. Surrounding weapons include 4th year RB Gardner who is already FIU's career rushing leader and in 2015 catch 60 receptions as well. Fellow RB Jones can be very productive on his own, however he suffered a knee injury in camp and his availability is in question. At WR Thomas Owens has led in yards the last 2 seasons hauling in a combined 98-1290-15TDs in that span. 3 newcomers got their feet wet last season as frosh combining for 77-961. The TE targets will be missed, Jonnu Smith was #1 receiver before the final 3 games after his girlfriend poured boiling water on him! Two grad transfers will try and fill that void. The OL will be a question after losing arguably the 3 best starters from last year. Jordan Budwig hasn't played since Nov 2014 as a Soph. He had started every game of his career up to that point and was their top OL. He retore his shoulder in 2015 attempting to comeback, but is scheduled to be back in the lineup August 31. According to weight room accounts, he has his strength back. Will he be as good as he was before the injury and what do the other pieces around him look like? If Budwig returns to form that will give them 3 with starting exp on the OL. Poor QB play was the biggest thing holding back the O last year. McGough needs to regain the 2015 form and the O needs to maintain the improved rushing production from last year.

The other side of the ball boasts alot of experience. Sr LBs Williams and Wint are each zeroing in on 2nd most career tackle list and Wint is 121 from the all-time record (he had 109 last season). The DL has 3 starters and 6 of the top 8 look to be upperclassman. CBs Brown and Lubin (combined 15 starts '16) have been praised for both their strength and weight gain coupled with faster 40 times this camp. The S are both Sr and combined for 100 tkls last year. Former S Johnson who started 6 as a true in 2015 (#3 tkl'r) has been moved to LB (has highest vertical on team). The D has been among the lower tier CUSA, but reasonable outlook for this unit and the new staff could be improvement along the lines of the 2014 D if the schemes are to the personnel's liking.

Now the 2016 game vs UCF is of particular concern, after all many of these players started that game and FIU was dominated. As mentioned before these teams were on different trajectories at that point. UCF had just narrowly lost to Maryland the week prior and came out to lay some wood to this reeling FIU squad.

Interestingly, after that game, once AAC play began for UCF, the Knights were outgained in every single game the rest of the year. 373-521 ECU, 296-364 Temple, 400-413 UConn,195-398 Houston, 297-348 Tulane, 305-327 Cincy, 321-474 Tulsa, 402-503 USF. In 5 of those 8 games UCF failed to even rush for 100 yards while allowing their opponents to rush on average for 205 ypg. Yet they managed to win 4 of those 8 games. What UCF was particularly good at last season was getting turnovers on D (and non-offensive TDs). 11 of those 15 INTs are gone spread across 4 players. The DL will be among the AAC's best and LB is anchored by returning AAC D POY Griffin, although the other 3 LB positions is a little uncertain. The 2016 UCF secondary was among the nation's best, unfortunately for them all 4 SR starters from that unit are gone and is a huge question mark.

UCF QB Milton should grow and improve in his 2nd year and while they have a go-to receiver in Smith, other pieces need to emerge in this offense. This offense ranked just 10th out of 12 AAC teams (actually last ypp with just 4.68). 36 sacks allowed is alarmingly high for a team with a mobile QB. This OL should take a few steps forward this season however with more experience and a year together in the new system.

So we know what happened last year between these teams.

But they also played the opener in 2015. Now that of course was the year that UCF went 0-12. They were however coming off a 9-4 season, I don't recall exactly where they were picked to finish that season (Holman entering his 2nd year as QB), they were -12 week 1 vs FIU and Panthers did outgain them 391-295 in a 15-14 win. Has the personnel of these teams changed so much since then? Is the 2016 game a true indicator of the personnel?

Scott Frost and company has certain rekindled what has historically been a strong program in Orlando and time will tell if Butch Davis can regain his college coaching mojo. What I wonder is there really that much of a talent gap currently between these two teams? What FIU might, give up in talent currently they make up for in experience. I think UCF has a few individual players that are better than their FIU counterparts, but I don't see it that way across the board.

The enthusiasm of the Davis hire surely hasn't just been realized by the fan base. If these players don't know about what he did at Miami, the success of the 30-for-30 Miami episodes essentially crowned Davis as the guy who handed Coker the teams he inherited. The take away from those shows is that Davis brought Miami back, he did it and now he is their guy. And Davis does have one of those pretty super bowl rings to flaunt. The buy in will be there. On the other hand maybe the growing pains will be too?

I think this could be a fun game, a competitive game. Just because I don't really see UCF, at this stage of the season, having an offense that strikes fear in a focus or even re-energized Panther D. The front 7 of the Knights will be tough, but on paper the secondary appears to be vulnerable and McGough has experience that one could think he can pull the strings to execute in that area...if we get the 2015 McGough insread of the 2016 McGough.

Only one way to find out, sit back and watch it all unfold. I like the +17. May have to throw .10 unit out there on the ML in case this is a close 4th qrt game to ramp up the excitement. FIU has alot of what I like to find in a big dog, experience, new found optimism, something to prove (revenge), playing a rival (probably a bigger rival for FIU than it is viewed as by UCF), and an opponent that doesn't appear as complete as perception (or point spread) might indicate.
 
FAU and BYU

Not sure the money will allow the second one to happen but I believe they aren't that far apart in talent
 
Chance I may play FAU + pts, but not sure I will take a stab at the ML thinking more about it. Normally I would like it being an athletic wide-open spread attack led by a Baylor disciple vs a Navy D...although Navy D has at times done well vs some of those type of Os of late. There is just too many unknowns, too much speculation on what FAU will be early for me to bet for them to win SU vs a tried and true reliable and consistent team like Navy. I'm all ears (or eyes) though if somebody wants to make a compelling case for FAU ML play here.
 
For me, the best ML appears to be Troy at Boise. +351

This Troy team is coming. The Juniors and Seniors on this team have began their career here with 3-9 and 4-8 seasons having seen and helped claw back up to a winning level that Troy football had known for, 10-3 last year. And with that O ppg from 21.8 to 27.9 to 33.7 - D ppg from 36.2 to 28.3 to 22.1

They've lost 0-66 between the Hedges in '14, a more respectable 3-28 loss at Camp Randall in '15. And last year in Death Valley vs Clemson Troy led 3-0, was tied 10-10 and trailed just 10-13 at halftime. Troy actually had a 233-192 yard edge at half. Tigers did go ahead 27-10 in the 4th qrt before Troy answered with 14 of the next 17 pts for the 24-30 loss. Clemson uninterested off the Auburn game? Perhaps. Regardless Troy has come a long way and here they are.

After RB Jordan Chunn had been limited in spring and summer camp, some of it precautionary, but has been full go the last 5 practices of August camp. All the offensive production from last year is back. QB Silvers enters his 4th year starting, Chunn has been around since 2013 (12 TD shy of SBC all-time record) and the top 6 receivers are all back (5 of which are Jr or Sr). #2 WR Douglas led the nation last year with the most catches (60) without a single drop! OL...well they have to replace 3 quality starters there. 3 Sophs played in many games last year will be thrust into action at both Guards and RT this year.

The Troy Defense is said to be modeling themselves after the 1985 Bears. If a team gets a first down on them, they were upset. That is the mentality this team is taking to challenge every yard and every first down. But for all the experience the offensive skill positions possess, that isn't the case across the board on the D. Some true frosh will be in the mix for playing time, as many as 8 players may see their first action this year. The biggest loss is SBC D POY BAN/DE Dillard. Losing production of their star will be tough, but they aren't necessarily short on experience - Stadom has started 29 games (19 DE, 10 at DT) and 4 returning players filling the 3 man DL accounted for 19 tfl last year (Dillard had 6). Dillard moved to DE for the bowl and Lebbie started at BAN and he got 1 of only 2 sacks in the game. Lebbie may be at MLB now, but however they do it 2 of the 3 LB positions will be manned by lightly seasoned Sophs. Good news is the back 5 including the hybrid LB/S Spear position are in good hands.

Jelling of the 3 new faces on OL is the only question this offense faces and the D has been very strong, may regress a bit depending how the replacements in the front 6 manage to adapt.

As coincidence would have it, Boise also just has 2 returning starters on OL. Troy has 41 starts back, Boise has 40. And Boise also must replace 5 of 7 starters from their DL/LB units. Broncos may be a little better off in terms of experience stepping into those front 7 roles. Boise also loses their two best defenders in the secondary.

For as good as Boise is and always has been, the air of invincibility is fading. 8-5, 12-2, 9-4, 10-3 the last years when the 5 years 2012-2008 they only lost 5 games combined. Boise has only appeared in the MW Title game once out of the last four years. Rypien is great and Boise always has good RBs and atleast 1 stud receiver - they will have that again...the yardage output has been fairly consistent but ppg has dropped nearly a TD from 2014 to last year. Last year they only outgained Utah St 384-358, N Mex 456-421, SJ St 517-495, was outgained by Wyoming 489-487 and bowl games kind of being their own unique season, the Cactus Bowl vs Baylor was a real head scratcher.

Troy HC Brown has said their expectations are high this year, coming off a 10 win season, the game at Boise has been stated as a measuring stick game, outside of a trip to Baton Rouge, Boise is the best team Trojans will play this year. Brown says Boise is the preeminent program in the group of 5 and that is where Troy wants to be. To be the best you have to beat the best (Brown didn't say that, but that is the implication I got from his praise of Boise and where he wants Troy to be).

Boise has earned and deserves every bit of respect they get. They can and will still woodshed teams. But in terms of overall program trajectory I see Troy surging and Boise flattening out. Boise was 0-6 ATS on the blue last year...vs spreads like this one...-11 Wazzou 31-28, -7 BYU 28-27. 2015 they actually lost back-to-back home games to AF and NM. It's not quite the same, not nearly the same at all, but Troy does travel every other year to Idaho to play in the Kibbie Dome. The only take away there is they are used to long travel and western time change schedules for games. Quite different situation they face here obviously, but flying to Idaho and time change atleast shouldn't be a problem. And they've played in some big venues against some top level teams...teams that frankly are better than Boise St. Troy is ready for this game.
 
Someone tell me what they saw outta BYU that would suggest a play

Outside of a plus in front?

Just trying to see it.....I watched them vs Portland St


I mean anything could happen I guess
 
I saw a shitty performance which gives them value honestly but just playing the under. Teams are never as good or bad as they looked last week, that's kinda betting 101 imo
 
BYU looked slow and that is more than just a sluggish week 1, IMHO. I think LSU's speed will give them fits.
 
Two great write-ups on FIU and Troy, mr s--k. You may have talked me off Central Fla and have solidified my strong lead on Troy. Best of luck to you.
 
I saw a shitty performance which gives them value honestly but just playing the under. Teams are never as good or bad as they looked last week, that's kinda betting 101 imo
I would say in the NFL "forget what you saw last week" holds true for sure

I think BYU is going to have a rough go
 
They very well could twink, not disputing that necessarily but I will have a real hard time believing they're as bad as last week. Under for me anyway, think both could look like shit.
 
Two great write-ups on FIU and Troy, mr s--k. You may have talked me off Central Fla and have solidified my strong lead on Troy. Best of luck to you.

Awesome. Just my thoughts, I'm hardly a fortune teller. We'll see how it works out.

Can't wait for some bullsheet!
 
Alright, first ML play of the year! FIU .1 for 75

Anyone got anything tonight?
 
Tn St would have been a good one.

I will keep a running list of ML Dog wins on the 1st post
Just in case we want to come back and look what teams won that week.

Options for Friday ....
Col St +147
N Illinois +157
Fla Atl +325

BOL does not have a ML for Charlotte, Fordham, Rutgers or Utah St yet

Out of those I would lean to Col St just because it's a rivalry, neutral site (Denver Mile High)
Bobo will have a something for the Buffs.

We need Take to drop in and let us know about the Buffs tonight
 
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I use scoresandodds with my outlet.

Showing Charlotte +447 currently.

I had wanted to examine this, but also did not want to take a bunch of bad teams on ML week 1 shots before Saturday (FIU, FAU, etc).

Some things about last year's 37-19 EM win at Charlotte (opened pick closed EM -2/3)

Neither QB who is starting tonight started that game. Porter started for suspended Roback and went 24-31-285-2TD-INT. RB Vann DNP for EM either. Eventual leading rusher Eriksen had 187 yards in his first two games, but vs Charlotte only ran for 9-19-TD (EM's leading rusher Turner only managed 20y on 5 att).

Olsen started for Char going 14-28-123-0-2INT who was relieved for Klugh (7 prior attempts, this was first major action). Klugh went 9-15-76-2TD-0INT. RB Phillips was out and frosh RB Washington had 20-120 (16 career att prior).

With EM up 10-3 in the 2nd, Olsen was INT'd which set up a 5p-29y short EM TD drive for 17-3 lead. Olsen also threw a pick-six in the 3rd qrt and shortly after Klugh entered (Olsen cramping...ie sucking). EM was up comfortably at that point 34-6. Game yardage was just 357-356 edge for EM (about 222 yards with Klugh at QB) and Charlotte had 23-17 first down advantage, 157-72 (4.0-2.4 ypc) rushing edge for 49ers.

I think EM is going to be similar to last year, but this spread seems high even in light of last year's result.

May come back with more later.
 
There will definitely be some upsets today, I just don't know who they are! I love trying to be on the right side of an unexpected upset, just hard. I will be on Troy that is probably the only one.

2016 Week 1 FBS last year (Ball St +240, Army +460, Toledo +165, Houston +485, Southern Miss +143, Wisconsin +390, South Alabama N/A, Wyoming +240, Western Michigan +139, Texas +155, Texas State +600, South Carolina +180)
 
One I didn't see listed is Temple. It's not my pick but I got it from The Parlay Picker....he's on Twitter if you do not know about him look him up. Just wanted to share & good luck today gents!
 
S--k I just posted some thoughts in my thread but there are so many things up in the air here I'm not sure what to do. I think we have a good shot to win the game but the unknowns with the Oline and defense are a concern to me. Luckily I think the weather is going to hold out which is a big positive for Cocks supporters

Also will be a big contingent at the game. We don't usually have problems performing in charlotte on neutral.
 
Screw it why not

.5u SCar +225

Big question mark is how the OLine responds to NCSt DLine

Also only play on the board I feel is worth making for the game.
 
Screw it why not

.5u SCar +225

Big question mark is how the OLine responds to NCSt DLine

Also only play on the board I feel is worth making for the game.

So many media types on NCSt's nuts...feel like the line and odds are getting carried away. NC St probably does have better first level personnel, but they don't always play like it you know.
 
Troy update, the D has showed up better than I could've expected. 3 sacks, 3 TFLs, DL getting good push. DBs doing good on the edges. Stopped 2 4th down attempts. Boise is doing well on some crosses and busted a big run for TD. #26 on punt and KO returns is having a big impact for Broncos, returned punt for TD. Troy CB got a pick-six.

Problem is Silvers is playing terrible for Troy. At one point they were 3-and-out on 5 out of 6 possessions. Can't believe how bad Silvers is missing receivers. Pressure on him doesn't appear to be the issue and there have been receivers open, but he is not seeing the field well. Big surprise.

The pick-six essentially saved the game and kept some hope of Troy being able to compete for win in the second half. Very disappointed with Troy O though, Troy D exceeding expectations. ST has been key for Boise.
 
You take some stabs trying to win upsets and lose, no big deal. You lose the spread by a half pt in a game like that, what a dick in the ass.
 
Good call on USCEast s-k
Have about 7-8 outright winners, how about Liberty ! Did not see that at all but did have Maryland and tailed you on So Carolina
 
Still have a really bad taste about Troy, but atleast SCar washed it. Kicking myself for not taking a stab at Cal, only played them small with spread.

Today's upsets; these odds are from scoresandodds close, other sites may vary:

Maryland +664
Cal +410
S Carolina +267
Coastal Carolina +140
Liberty +? (32 pt dog)
 
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UNLV spots are always hard for me to predict, curious if anyone laid the number with them, doubt many around here played that game but jfc that team...I wan't to be a fan as I've always liked the Vegas teams in general, but how to even approach it is beyond me.

Just a random thought, but I'll be ridiculously impressed with the coach of a pro team who can manage players who are actually all over 21 but still young living in Vegas. That will be quite the accomplishment, can't imagine that...we'll get to see it in hockey first but that Raiders coach that can do that should be coach of the year every year.

At least the college kids for the most part can't experience Vegas like most of us do unless they have fake IDs
 
45 pts, that would be the largest numeric point spread upset ever?
 
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