108th Grey Cup Discussion (Hamilton v Winnipeg)
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Teapot9
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Definitely not David and Goliath but Winnipeg is the favorite.
Who starts for Hamilton? Masoli or Evans? I mean it’s gotta be Evans.
Winnipeg defence line vs Hamilton offence line is the matchup I’m looking at. Hamilton offence isn’t that prolific and if those bombers get in the backfield early and often it’s a long day for the cats.
But Hamilton defence is no slouch either. 56 Davis is basically Reggie white. They rattled MTB (btw I hate that guy he’s a fucking douche). Great passing coverage. If you can keep the 3rd down specialist qb off the field you’re doing well against a great offence.
Who starts for Hamilton? Masoli or Evans? I mean it’s gotta be Evans.
Winnipeg defence line vs Hamilton offence line is the matchup I’m looking at. Hamilton offence isn’t that prolific and if those bombers get in the backfield early and often it’s a long day for the cats.
But Hamilton defence is no slouch either. 56 Davis is basically Reggie white. They rattled MTB (btw I hate that guy he’s a fucking douche). Great passing coverage. If you can keep the 3rd down specialist qb off the field you’re doing well against a great offence.
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Yup
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Its amazing to me how much this game is a mirror image of the 2019 cup.
In 2019, Hamilton was the darling of the league, cruising through the opposition and finishing with the league's best record. They sealed 1st place in the east with weeks to go and coasted into the playoffs. Winnipeg was the scrappy team who faced some adversity through the season but got hot down the stretch, finished second, won the semi at home then the final on the road in a hostile environment. Hamilton went 2-0 vs winnipeg in the regular season was a 4.5pt favourite.
In 2021 Winnipeg has crushed their way to winning the west with 4 weeks to go and coasted toward the playoffs while it was Hamilton that faced adversity and overcame it, winning the semi at home then on the road a week later. Winnipeg beat Hamilton 19-6 in their only meeting this season and are 4pt favs.
The big difference is that Hamilton is playing at home and the crowd will be insane. Its amazing how rarely this happens in a 9 team league but its not often. 12 times since 1958 a host team has made the game but the record is only 6-6. However, in the modern era, the last 3 hosts have won in 2011, 12, 13. I think that makes the difference here. This game is going to be unreal.
In 2019, Hamilton was the darling of the league, cruising through the opposition and finishing with the league's best record. They sealed 1st place in the east with weeks to go and coasted into the playoffs. Winnipeg was the scrappy team who faced some adversity through the season but got hot down the stretch, finished second, won the semi at home then the final on the road in a hostile environment. Hamilton went 2-0 vs winnipeg in the regular season was a 4.5pt favourite.
In 2021 Winnipeg has crushed their way to winning the west with 4 weeks to go and coasted toward the playoffs while it was Hamilton that faced adversity and overcame it, winning the semi at home then on the road a week later. Winnipeg beat Hamilton 19-6 in their only meeting this season and are 4pt favs.
The big difference is that Hamilton is playing at home and the crowd will be insane. Its amazing how rarely this happens in a 9 team league but its not often. 12 times since 1958 a host team has made the game but the record is only 6-6. However, in the modern era, the last 3 hosts have won in 2011, 12, 13. I think that makes the difference here. This game is going to be unreal.
Teapot9
Not from 63rd
Ok that’s enough rider bashing for one day…..
I’ve been doing some CFL history research… Ottawa used to be the rough riders too…. Saskatchewan started as a rugby club…
I need to enroll in a week long CFL history class with Hulu because I’m pretty much done with the NFL
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Yes our little 9 team league once had 2 teams named roughriders. Except one was one word and the other was spelled as 2 words. Apparently they had completely different etymologies also. The Ottawa one referred to the guys who rode logs down the Ottawa river. I can't remember where Sask's came from...probably something to do with wheat.
They were all rugby teams way back when. The forward pass didn't come along until sometime in the 30s.
Teapot9
Not from 63rd
What does regulation difference mean?
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Major books have released the line and its a bit of a surprise. WPG -2.5
I guess they're really valuing the home field advantage for the cats because this is the smallest favourite the Bombers have been since early in the season.
If I was totally impartial and objective here, I'd say the Bombers are the play. But there's no way I'm going to bet against my team.
I have small bets on Hamilton +5.5, +188 and +620 to win the cup taken a few weeks back. I'm sticking with that.
The total seems about right at 44 so unless there is some serious wind that develops, I doubt there's a play there.
1H under might be a good bet depending on the number they give. I always look for that in Grey Cups because both teams come out a little tentative and not wanting to make a mistake. And here we have the league's top 2 defences.
I guess they're really valuing the home field advantage for the cats because this is the smallest favourite the Bombers have been since early in the season.
If I was totally impartial and objective here, I'd say the Bombers are the play. But there's no way I'm going to bet against my team.
I have small bets on Hamilton +5.5, +188 and +620 to win the cup taken a few weeks back. I'm sticking with that.
The total seems about right at 44 so unless there is some serious wind that develops, I doubt there's a play there.
1H under might be a good bet depending on the number they give. I always look for that in Grey Cups because both teams come out a little tentative and not wanting to make a mistake. And here we have the league's top 2 defences.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Something to do with them having a different number of teams right? Can't the 4th place team from the West take the playoff spot of the 3rd team from East if tied?
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#3DownNation
Like a rule difference. Like how the AL has the DH rule but the NL doesn't.
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Very good guess and I guess the crossover would be considered a rule diference. But not what I was thinking.
This has to do with the field layout.
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Nope that is the same league wide
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
10 things that you may not know about the Winnipeg Football Club
1. 1933 - The St.John's had been the dominant team in Winnipeg for several years but in 1933 they shocked many when they announced that they would be suspending operations for a season while they got their finances in order. Efforts to have another club assume operations of the St.John's team proved fruitless. Although a few other clubs operated at the junior level, but no one wanted to become custodian of the St.John's team for one season. In August of 1933, the St.John's players were dispersed between the Winnipegs and the Garrison. The Garrison would only accept servicemen so all but one player ended up in the Winnipegs camp. With nearly enough players to operate two teams, the Winnipegs did just that; they operated two teams.
The best players formed the "A'" team which kept the Winnipegs name and adopted Blue & White jerseys (the gold was not added until 1934). The "B" team kept the old Green jerseys and adopted the name Shamrocks. Season tickets reached a new high thanks to the promotion by Winnipeg Enterprises. 1933 would be the best chance that a Winnipeg team would have against the hated Regina Roughriders and the Manitoba/Saskatchewan playoff was in Winnipeg in 1933. If Winnipeg defeated the Roughriders, your season ticket package would get you a free ticket to the West Final as well.
No one knew it at the time, but the St.John's would never play senior football again.
2. 1950 - The Blue Bombers introduced their new uniforms which were all Robins Egg Blue (pants, jerseys and helmets). The team had been known as the Blue & Gold since 1934 and the players felt this tradition should continue. After a short meeting, the players went down to the local hardware store and purchased some cans of gold paint. The players then spent the rest of the evening painting their helmets gold. Those light blue jerseys only lasted half a season.
3. 1941 - The Blue Bombers became the first Canadian team to play a professional team from the United States. The first game was played on August 26, 1941; the Blue Bombers defeated the AFL Champion Columbus Bulls (Bullies) 19-12. By the end of the 1941 season, the Blue Bombers had played the Columbus Bulls 3 times and the Kenosha Cardinals twice. The Bombers record in those five games was 1-4.
4. The original Winnipeg Football Club was formed in 1879 and continued play through the end of the 1906 season (no team in 1903; the Winnipegs separated from the MRFU and created a new league - it never got off the ground). Organized play in Manitoba began in 1887 and the Winnipegs won their first game which was played on October 22, 1887; the Winnipegs defeated the St.John's College Football Club by two goals to a try (12-4). The last game the team played was on October 13, 1906, a 12-8 loss to the Brandon Football Club. These Winnipegs wore Blue and White jerseys.
5. 1933-1952 - the Winnipeg Rugby Club played its home games at Osborne Stadium. The first game was on September 27, 1933; it was a 33-6 win over the local Army team known as the Garrison. The final game played at Osborne Stadium was played on November 11, 1952; it was a 22-11 loss to the Edmonton Eskimos who won the Western Final by a count of two games to one. Osborne Stadium hosted two football games in 1932 - they involved the Winnipeg St.John's and the Regina Roughriders.
6. Sunday games didn't show up on the Winnipeg Blue Bombers schedule for several years. The 1962 Grey Cup was played over two days and had to be finished on Sunday December 2. The first game that the Blue Bombers played which began on a Sunday was in Montreal on September 8, 1963. The first home game ever played on a Sunday was later that year, October 27, 1963 versus the BC Lions.
7. In 1942, the war efforts had put a strain on available players in many western cities. As a result, there was no competition for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. In Winnipeg there was an abundance of players available and the team created its own league, the Winnipeg City League. The players were divided into three teams. The military men were assigned to the RCAF Flyers, the civilian men played for a team known only as the Bombers and the younger men played for the University of Manitoba Bisons. The Winnipeg Blue Bombers supplied coaches for all three teams.
After the City League season ended, an all-star team was created that would compete for the Grey Cup. 34 players were selected from the three teams that played in the City League. The name used by the all-star team was the Winnipeg RCAF Bombers and the team wore the red jerseys of the RCAF Flyers. The Winnipeg Rugby Club kept the Winnipeg RCAF Bombers together for the 1943 season but the club suspended operations for the 1944 season.
8. 1955 - The man the Blue Bombers selected to replace Jack Jacobs at quarterback was Bobby Freeman. The Blue Bombers were about to introduce a new offensive system which relied on a quarterback who could throw on the run and halfbacks who could throw as well. Freeman was handpicked as the quarterback with Buddy Leake and Bob McNamara as the halfbacks. Shortly after signing a two year deal with the Blue Bombers, Freeman signed a two year deal with the Cleveland Browns of the NFL. In July, The Blue Bombers received a temporary injunction which prevented Freeman from joining the Browns. On August 15, U.S. Federal Judge Paul Jones made the injunction permanent when he ruled that the contract Freeman signed with the Blue Bombers took precedence.
Freeman contacted the Blue Bombers and told them that he would play if the team would pay him an amount close to what he had signed with the Browns. Winnipeg management deferred the decision to accept Freeman's terms to Coach Al Sherman. Despite the fact that the Bombers were struggling with Buddy Leake at quarterback and a season ending injury to Bob McNamara forced the Bombers to play Leo Lewis on offence, Sherman decided not to give in to Freeman's demands.
Freeman sat out the two year term of his Winnipeg contract. In 1957, he joined the Cleveland Browns as a defensive player. He played for 4 teams over 6 seasons and never played quarterback.
9. The Blue Bombers have made two trades with NFL teams. In September 1957, the Blue Bombers traded QB Chuck Curtis to the New Giants for LB/HB Pete Mangum and future considerations. In two games with Winnipeg, Curtis completed 8 of 18 passes for 99 yards and 2 interceptions. In September 1959, the Blue Bombers obtained End Ralph Anderson from the Chicago Bears of the NFL. In return, the Bombers sent Tackle Fred Cole to the Bears.
10. The team that we now call the Winnipeg Blue Bombers was born on May 14, 1930. It was at the annual meeting of the Manitoba Rugby Football Union that two franchises were awarded. The first franchise was granted to the YMHA who played junior football. The other franchise was awarded when the Tammany Tigers had their name legally changed to the Winnipeg Rugby Club; they played senior football in 1930 as the Winnipegs.
And one thing nobody really knows for sure... when was the name Blue Bombers coined by Vince Leah?
It was Vince Leah who said 'these are the Blue Bombers of western football'; that is not in question. It was this statement which ultimately led to the Winnipegs becoming the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. What is not certain is when Vince Leah said those famous words.
Most sources state that he said them after a game with the University of North Dakota in 1936. The problem is that the Winnipegs did not play UND in 1936... One source states that it was after a game versus North Dakota State in 1936. Although the frequency that the name 'Blue Bombers' was used increased substantially after the North Dakota State game, there are uses of the name 'Blue Bombers' which predate that game... A few sources state that it was first said in 1935; either after the game with the University of North Dakota or after the Grey Cup versus Hamilton.
EDIT
According to the book that Vince Leah released in the 1970's, he came up with the term "Blue Bombers" while covering the team during training camp (1936). This timing seems to be consistent with the appearance of the term "Blue Bombers" in the Winnipeg Tribune from that time.
The name was only used sporadically during the next few seasons. It appears as though the Winnipeg Rugby Club did not adopt the name Blue Bombers until 1939.
1. 1933 - The St.John's had been the dominant team in Winnipeg for several years but in 1933 they shocked many when they announced that they would be suspending operations for a season while they got their finances in order. Efforts to have another club assume operations of the St.John's team proved fruitless. Although a few other clubs operated at the junior level, but no one wanted to become custodian of the St.John's team for one season. In August of 1933, the St.John's players were dispersed between the Winnipegs and the Garrison. The Garrison would only accept servicemen so all but one player ended up in the Winnipegs camp. With nearly enough players to operate two teams, the Winnipegs did just that; they operated two teams.
The best players formed the "A'" team which kept the Winnipegs name and adopted Blue & White jerseys (the gold was not added until 1934). The "B" team kept the old Green jerseys and adopted the name Shamrocks. Season tickets reached a new high thanks to the promotion by Winnipeg Enterprises. 1933 would be the best chance that a Winnipeg team would have against the hated Regina Roughriders and the Manitoba/Saskatchewan playoff was in Winnipeg in 1933. If Winnipeg defeated the Roughriders, your season ticket package would get you a free ticket to the West Final as well.
No one knew it at the time, but the St.John's would never play senior football again.
2. 1950 - The Blue Bombers introduced their new uniforms which were all Robins Egg Blue (pants, jerseys and helmets). The team had been known as the Blue & Gold since 1934 and the players felt this tradition should continue. After a short meeting, the players went down to the local hardware store and purchased some cans of gold paint. The players then spent the rest of the evening painting their helmets gold. Those light blue jerseys only lasted half a season.
3. 1941 - The Blue Bombers became the first Canadian team to play a professional team from the United States. The first game was played on August 26, 1941; the Blue Bombers defeated the AFL Champion Columbus Bulls (Bullies) 19-12. By the end of the 1941 season, the Blue Bombers had played the Columbus Bulls 3 times and the Kenosha Cardinals twice. The Bombers record in those five games was 1-4.
4. The original Winnipeg Football Club was formed in 1879 and continued play through the end of the 1906 season (no team in 1903; the Winnipegs separated from the MRFU and created a new league - it never got off the ground). Organized play in Manitoba began in 1887 and the Winnipegs won their first game which was played on October 22, 1887; the Winnipegs defeated the St.John's College Football Club by two goals to a try (12-4). The last game the team played was on October 13, 1906, a 12-8 loss to the Brandon Football Club. These Winnipegs wore Blue and White jerseys.
5. 1933-1952 - the Winnipeg Rugby Club played its home games at Osborne Stadium. The first game was on September 27, 1933; it was a 33-6 win over the local Army team known as the Garrison. The final game played at Osborne Stadium was played on November 11, 1952; it was a 22-11 loss to the Edmonton Eskimos who won the Western Final by a count of two games to one. Osborne Stadium hosted two football games in 1932 - they involved the Winnipeg St.John's and the Regina Roughriders.
6. Sunday games didn't show up on the Winnipeg Blue Bombers schedule for several years. The 1962 Grey Cup was played over two days and had to be finished on Sunday December 2. The first game that the Blue Bombers played which began on a Sunday was in Montreal on September 8, 1963. The first home game ever played on a Sunday was later that year, October 27, 1963 versus the BC Lions.
7. In 1942, the war efforts had put a strain on available players in many western cities. As a result, there was no competition for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. In Winnipeg there was an abundance of players available and the team created its own league, the Winnipeg City League. The players were divided into three teams. The military men were assigned to the RCAF Flyers, the civilian men played for a team known only as the Bombers and the younger men played for the University of Manitoba Bisons. The Winnipeg Blue Bombers supplied coaches for all three teams.
After the City League season ended, an all-star team was created that would compete for the Grey Cup. 34 players were selected from the three teams that played in the City League. The name used by the all-star team was the Winnipeg RCAF Bombers and the team wore the red jerseys of the RCAF Flyers. The Winnipeg Rugby Club kept the Winnipeg RCAF Bombers together for the 1943 season but the club suspended operations for the 1944 season.
8. 1955 - The man the Blue Bombers selected to replace Jack Jacobs at quarterback was Bobby Freeman. The Blue Bombers were about to introduce a new offensive system which relied on a quarterback who could throw on the run and halfbacks who could throw as well. Freeman was handpicked as the quarterback with Buddy Leake and Bob McNamara as the halfbacks. Shortly after signing a two year deal with the Blue Bombers, Freeman signed a two year deal with the Cleveland Browns of the NFL. In July, The Blue Bombers received a temporary injunction which prevented Freeman from joining the Browns. On August 15, U.S. Federal Judge Paul Jones made the injunction permanent when he ruled that the contract Freeman signed with the Blue Bombers took precedence.
Freeman contacted the Blue Bombers and told them that he would play if the team would pay him an amount close to what he had signed with the Browns. Winnipeg management deferred the decision to accept Freeman's terms to Coach Al Sherman. Despite the fact that the Bombers were struggling with Buddy Leake at quarterback and a season ending injury to Bob McNamara forced the Bombers to play Leo Lewis on offence, Sherman decided not to give in to Freeman's demands.
Freeman sat out the two year term of his Winnipeg contract. In 1957, he joined the Cleveland Browns as a defensive player. He played for 4 teams over 6 seasons and never played quarterback.
9. The Blue Bombers have made two trades with NFL teams. In September 1957, the Blue Bombers traded QB Chuck Curtis to the New Giants for LB/HB Pete Mangum and future considerations. In two games with Winnipeg, Curtis completed 8 of 18 passes for 99 yards and 2 interceptions. In September 1959, the Blue Bombers obtained End Ralph Anderson from the Chicago Bears of the NFL. In return, the Bombers sent Tackle Fred Cole to the Bears.
10. The team that we now call the Winnipeg Blue Bombers was born on May 14, 1930. It was at the annual meeting of the Manitoba Rugby Football Union that two franchises were awarded. The first franchise was granted to the YMHA who played junior football. The other franchise was awarded when the Tammany Tigers had their name legally changed to the Winnipeg Rugby Club; they played senior football in 1930 as the Winnipegs.
And one thing nobody really knows for sure... when was the name Blue Bombers coined by Vince Leah?
It was Vince Leah who said 'these are the Blue Bombers of western football'; that is not in question. It was this statement which ultimately led to the Winnipegs becoming the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. What is not certain is when Vince Leah said those famous words.
Most sources state that he said them after a game with the University of North Dakota in 1936. The problem is that the Winnipegs did not play UND in 1936... One source states that it was after a game versus North Dakota State in 1936. Although the frequency that the name 'Blue Bombers' was used increased substantially after the North Dakota State game, there are uses of the name 'Blue Bombers' which predate that game... A few sources state that it was first said in 1935; either after the game with the University of North Dakota or after the Grey Cup versus Hamilton.
EDIT
According to the book that Vince Leah released in the 1970's, he came up with the term "Blue Bombers" while covering the team during training camp (1936). This timing seems to be consistent with the appearance of the term "Blue Bombers" in the Winnipeg Tribune from that time.
The name was only used sporadically during the next few seasons. It appears as though the Winnipeg Rugby Club did not adopt the name Blue Bombers until 1939.
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#3DownNation
Here's the answer...its the benches.
In the west the benches are on opposite sides of the field and in the east the benches are on the same side.
It slows down games in the east slightly because of the longer run that players have to make on and off the field when playing in the opposite end of the field.
Hulu
#3DownNation
The Winnipeg Winnipegs? Real creative bunch there.
I really wish Washington had done this instead of being the football team. The Washington Washingtons.
Teapot9
Not from 63rd
This is the type of information you’ll only find at CTG…. So for the Grey cup will the benches be on the same side?
Teapot9
Not from 63rd
You’re missing out. It blows the NFL away
Hulu
#3DownNation
Yup.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
10 strange rules from the past
1. No point for you! - In Western Canada (1935-1945), a kick that sailed through the end zone without touching in bounds resulted in no points. The ball had to land in the field of play for a single point to be scored.
2. Coaching from the sidelines - up until the mid-1950s, a coach was not allowed to communicate with the players on the field. The penalty for Coaching from the sidelines was 10 yards. In 1954, Winnipeg Coach Al Sherman found a way around this rule - he sent his plays into the game with players who substituted for each other after each play.
3. Passes into the end zone (1940s) - If there were two consecutive passes into the end zone that were incomplete it was a turnover with the opposition taking possession on their own 10 yard line. If there was an incomplete pass into the end zone on 3rd down, the opposition received the ball at the 25 yard line.
4. Pass must cross the line of scrimmage - a forward pass had to cross the line of scrimmage in the air for it to be deemed an eligible pass. If caught behind the line of scrimmage, the play was stopped and the offence was charged with a loss of down. This rule cost the Blue Bombers a very importanat TD in the 1947 Grey Cup - the rule was changed in 1949.
5. Shovel pass - in the early 1950s, an underhand pass that was thrown forward was treated the same as a backwards pass. This rule meant that an incomplete underhand pass was a live ball. Jack Jacobs would have had a few more TD passes if the shovel pass didn't count as a run.
6. Kickoff through the end zone - a kickoff through the end zone was penalized with a re-kick (no yardage penalty. If three successive kicks went through the end zone, the receiving team received the ball at the point of the kickoff. This rule was changed in 1970. Hamilton kicker Don Sutherin almost got caught by this rule in the 1965 Grey Cup. After putting two kicks through the end zone, the Referee advised Sutherin of the rule. Winnipeg Coach Bud Grant was upset that the Referee interfered.
7. A fumble into the end zone that was recovered by the opposition resulted in a single point for the team that fumbled the ball. This rule was changed in 1977.
8. No Yards on passes - When the forward pass was introduced to Canadian football in 1929, an incomplete pass was treated as a punt and the passing team had to give yards to the defender.
9. In 1950, free substitutions were introduced to Canadian football. Prior to the 1950 season, if a player left the field for any reason he was not allowed to return to the field until the start of the next quarter. This meant that players had to play both ways. It also meant that there was no such thing as a specialist kicker. Your kicker and punter had to be one of the twelve men on the field.
10. Interception in the end zone - up until the early 1960s, an interception in the end zone could not be returned. On first or second down, an interception in goal resulted in a first down on the 10 yard line. If the interception occurred on 3rd down then the ruling was a first down at the 25 yard line. In 1961, Norm Rauhaus returned an interception 111 yards for a TD but it did not count. The rule would be changed in next year and Neal Beaumont set the CFL record for longest interception return in 1963 - Beaumont returned his interception 120 yards.
And one more...
Up until 1920, teams played with 14 players per side and the ball was put in play by one of its three scrimmages. Starting with the 1921 season, teams would play with 12 players per side and the center scrimmage was now responsible for passing the ball to the quarterback via the snapback. The primary reason for reducing the number of players was money. The biggest expenses that a team faced was travel and lodging and the elimination of two players would have significant cost savings. It should be noted that Alberta made this move in 1920 and the rest of the Provincial Unions followed suit in 1921.
1. No point for you! - In Western Canada (1935-1945), a kick that sailed through the end zone without touching in bounds resulted in no points. The ball had to land in the field of play for a single point to be scored.
2. Coaching from the sidelines - up until the mid-1950s, a coach was not allowed to communicate with the players on the field. The penalty for Coaching from the sidelines was 10 yards. In 1954, Winnipeg Coach Al Sherman found a way around this rule - he sent his plays into the game with players who substituted for each other after each play.
3. Passes into the end zone (1940s) - If there were two consecutive passes into the end zone that were incomplete it was a turnover with the opposition taking possession on their own 10 yard line. If there was an incomplete pass into the end zone on 3rd down, the opposition received the ball at the 25 yard line.
4. Pass must cross the line of scrimmage - a forward pass had to cross the line of scrimmage in the air for it to be deemed an eligible pass. If caught behind the line of scrimmage, the play was stopped and the offence was charged with a loss of down. This rule cost the Blue Bombers a very importanat TD in the 1947 Grey Cup - the rule was changed in 1949.
5. Shovel pass - in the early 1950s, an underhand pass that was thrown forward was treated the same as a backwards pass. This rule meant that an incomplete underhand pass was a live ball. Jack Jacobs would have had a few more TD passes if the shovel pass didn't count as a run.
6. Kickoff through the end zone - a kickoff through the end zone was penalized with a re-kick (no yardage penalty. If three successive kicks went through the end zone, the receiving team received the ball at the point of the kickoff. This rule was changed in 1970. Hamilton kicker Don Sutherin almost got caught by this rule in the 1965 Grey Cup. After putting two kicks through the end zone, the Referee advised Sutherin of the rule. Winnipeg Coach Bud Grant was upset that the Referee interfered.
7. A fumble into the end zone that was recovered by the opposition resulted in a single point for the team that fumbled the ball. This rule was changed in 1977.
8. No Yards on passes - When the forward pass was introduced to Canadian football in 1929, an incomplete pass was treated as a punt and the passing team had to give yards to the defender.
9. In 1950, free substitutions were introduced to Canadian football. Prior to the 1950 season, if a player left the field for any reason he was not allowed to return to the field until the start of the next quarter. This meant that players had to play both ways. It also meant that there was no such thing as a specialist kicker. Your kicker and punter had to be one of the twelve men on the field.
10. Interception in the end zone - up until the early 1960s, an interception in the end zone could not be returned. On first or second down, an interception in goal resulted in a first down on the 10 yard line. If the interception occurred on 3rd down then the ruling was a first down at the 25 yard line. In 1961, Norm Rauhaus returned an interception 111 yards for a TD but it did not count. The rule would be changed in next year and Neal Beaumont set the CFL record for longest interception return in 1963 - Beaumont returned his interception 120 yards.
And one more...
Up until 1920, teams played with 14 players per side and the ball was put in play by one of its three scrimmages. Starting with the 1921 season, teams would play with 12 players per side and the center scrimmage was now responsible for passing the ball to the quarterback via the snapback. The primary reason for reducing the number of players was money. The biggest expenses that a team faced was travel and lodging and the elimination of two players would have significant cost savings. It should be noted that Alberta made this move in 1920 and the rest of the Provincial Unions followed suit in 1921.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Wait until you find out that Aussie Rules Football blows them both away...and it's not even close.
Teapot9
Not from 63rd
I just don’t get what’s going on
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Speaking of which, USFL is back next year
Philly/Baltimore Stars were my team back in the day and they're back!
Hulu
#3DownNation
It looks like an exciting sport and if I'd watched it since I was a kid I'd probably understand more of what is going on.
I wonder if they have fewer concussions than our version of football? Someone has made the argument that taking helmets away might reduce concussions because players would instinctively protect their heads
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
It's really not that hard to pick up once you've watched a game. If you kick the ball to a teammate, he's the first one to touch and catches it, and it goes more than 15 meters, the whistle blows and he gets a free kick. Other than that, you can "pass" the ball to a teammate with a closed fist bump of the ball, or you can run with it but have to bounce the ball once every 15 yards.
Scoring is simple...6 points if it goes through the middle goalposts (can't hit the post or be touched at all), 1 point (a behind) if it goes within one of the other the two outer boundary goalposts and the two major goalposts. There are some other rules about being tackled, like you have to dispose of the ball once you're grabbed and spun around or it's "holding the ball" and you lose possession, etc...but the game is non-stop, they put big hits on each other with no pads, and EVERYONE is in shape and fit because they run non fucking stop.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Concussions are pretty rare, that's for sure. It certainly has a lot to do with no helmets but also not as many collisions take place during a game.
I will also say that, by and large, the players are MUCH MORE respectful of each other and aren't trying to hurt or annihilate someone just because they can.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
5. Shovel pass - in the early 1950s, an underhand pass that was thrown forward was treated the same as a backwards pass. This rule meant that an incomplete underhand pass was a live ball. Jack Jacobs would have had a few more TD passes if the shovel pass didn't count as a run.
I wish that was a rule in the NFL now.
I wish that was a rule in the NFL now.
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