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nawlins51

nawlins51

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Anybody got anything they want to share. I will post the numbers as of midnight on who is on what .


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392 Atlanta Falcons

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</TD><TD id=team width=135>397 Cincinnati Bengals
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</TD><TD id=team width=135>405 Carolina Panthers
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</TD><TD id=team width=135>409 Detroit Lions
410 San Francisco 49ers

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</TD><TD id=team width=135>413 Pittsburgh Steelers
414 Philadelphia Eagles

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Ravens ML and Browns TT under
Over 36 ATL and Over 21 TT ATL (maybe veen KC TT over )
Over NE TT 24
Vikings
Under 16.5 TT bucs (maybe Bears or TT over )
Texans and Over (Steve Slaton )

Saints
Lions
Hawks
Over Colts and TT Overs
Steelers
 
SportsNut said:
Ravens ML and Browns TT under
Over 36 ATL and Over 21 TT ATL (maybe veen KC TT over )
Over NE TT 24
Vikings
Under 16.5 TT bucs (maybe Bears or TT over )
Texans and Over (Steve Slaton )

Saints
Lions
Hawks
Over Colts and TT Overs
Steelers
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Looks good.I did take the Titans. I think the Texans lose by at least 2 TD's. I like the others a lot.
 
well just skimming through the numbers above....

public is on all the favs at home and the public is on all the road doggies where the line has moved in the publics favor, which usually is not a good sign.
 
GL bro...I am waiting to the AM to play most of these dont really have any in yet ...

I just think the Titans are somewhat overrated . There defense is very good but as a team they are not the Steelers which everyone is rating Houston on . Think Slaton could be a nice hidden factor here and tenny losing gage will hurt some although Brandon Jones is capable IMO ..Some bad blood bewteen the teams especially the Tenny defense calling Schaub out . Dog is 7-3 L10 meetings and last 5 or 6 games have been decided by a TD or less although all Tenny wins .....game at Pitt also very misleading for Houston they only allowed 330 yds of offense it was just on eof the games were everything was out of whack...JAx and Cincy were just teams who were ready to get to stepped on IMO...Also Schaub was playing his 1st game in awhile after having his season cut short by injury so rust was sure to be there . Although it was grabage time he did get on a rol late and finished 25-33. Now he faces a defense he is familiar with the drama of the defense which knocked him out and ended his year . Plus the whole Ike situation for Houston team and players .....Collins only had a 130 yds pasing last week....:shake:
 
Houston i have looked at this schedule quite a bit until my capping headqaurters suffered a disaster as my computer blew a fuse . I just bought a new computer to get my capping headquarters back in action-

if you read my thread I looked at Detroit game vs 49'ers---

I will break down that game and a new strategy that i feel wins
 
Houston i outlined all of the stats in my thread in detroit vs 49'ers-

Combined both teams have allowed 20 sacks this year-
San fran has allowed 12 sacks this year- 8 last week-

Detroit has been down 21-0 in both games this year, outscored 42-17 in first half this year--

Detroit did well to come back within 10 of atl AND TAKE THE LEAD VS GBAY--

49'ers Martz is facing former team Detroit, last time he faced a former team in the rams with the 9'ers he put up 34 points in a losing effort-

Detroit is a very good over team despite converting 20% of 3rd downs, they still go over, tehy score fast and get scored on fast also--

I think if Detroit starts out faster and does not trail, I think this could be a case of 9'ers possibly winning by a 1 to 3 point margin-

Detroit out of all the teams has playmakers on Offense , great receivers and kitna with time can move the ball-
 
So far this week I played Georgia, Florida in college and BC lIons in CFl for a 3-0 day--

I am playing USC next thursday no matter the line or no matter injuries-

I have simplified things very easily- I am taking the best teams in college as favorites on the road when they are 7 or less for sure.

Any close game I will lean to taking the points, especially where I feel I have a live team. A good ex is the ravens this week, is there is no reason to suggest the browns are better than them-

THe lineup of games is not that great, but some teams will bounce back this week-

One team that I feel can is Detroit- May be a feeling, but I know that 9'ers took 8 sacks last week, and they are not the type of team to trust by being favored by -4-
 
Any close game I will lean to taking the points, especially where I feel I have a live team. A good ex is the ravens this week, is there is no reason to suggest the browns are better than them-

the browns are the dogs..
 
Collins will fold to pressure, if Houston can get in his face. Ten. might cover, but I will never KC.

HC, I don't know where it opened. I like the over and I like SF to cover. You might want to check with the Detroit homers. But, I think they can score at least 14-17.

Detroit's defense is not their strength. SF should be able to put up some points.

I'm leaning AZ and Chicago. Possibly Carolina. I don't see why there's so much love for the Vikes.?
 
also, everyone here get into my week 4 discussion if you have your lines up already. see where we agree/disagree. week 3 is practically over except for the playing on the field. week 4 lines come out in less than 15 hrs (around 530 PT at BM) and I believe early lines are where the most value comes from
 
I almost am thinking of taking Dallas -3 due to the reason that if you take the leagues best teams in college and NFL at low lines, you will be in the money for sure-- USC-Florida-Georgia- Dallas- there is a trend you bet these teams you win most of your bets, in fact one loss with the above teams vs the spread--

I want no part of Cincy, Dolphins, Rams, chiefs, but I think teh Detroit game is a game where Detroit can be leading in the 2nd half, and if they dont fall behind 21-0 which i dont think they do this week, they can cover this game at worst, i see a 9'ers win but no cover or a detroit outright win-

Reasons for Detroit-

9'ers as a -4 favorite off a divisional upset-
Detroit playing poor in 2 games on D, but ok on Offense in first 2 weeks
Detroit has been soured on by the public but they almost beat GBAY
9'ers win last week gives them appeal
young 9'ers qb took 8 sacks, cant lay -4 with giving up 8 sacks-
old adage trusting a bad team to cover -4 vs another bad team
 
I don't think that Det's DL will put as much pressure on O'Sullivan, as Seattle did. SF's OL is not bad.
 
Personally feel from a true standpoint of getting inside teams true value I think the Detroit game vs 9'ers would have been a PICK in week 1--

We have been given 4 points now due to Detroits lack of D in the first 2 weeks- Granted they played a pretty good offense in GBAY in week 2-

However the 9'ers did not do much in week 1 vs ZONA- Week 2 they won at Seattle, but were not spectacular at all, giving up 8 sacks, needing a late field goal to tie the game vs a team with top 4 wideouts out, and more getting injured during the game-

I reallly think this is a case of 2 fairly evenly matched teams. One can say that 9'ers are better on D, but consider they allowed WARNER to hold the ball for almost 24 mins in the 2nd half of week 1 games- They allowed Seattle to get 30 points-- 2 td's were off bad turnovers though--

However the Detroit Offense IMO is better than the 9'ers offense, I think KITNA can be trusted more than O Sullivan. IMO a QB like O Sullivan will do better on the road tehn at home. Week 1 he played okay, week 2 he played better on the road in seattle--

Detroit should be hungry to win this game and to also start out fast, we will see a fast starting motivated detroit team-

Detroit can score, which IMO means they can stick within that 4 point line IMO-

9'ers are trying to win games, and are not in blowout mode, they are always in games, no matter the circumstances, this tells me right there that this game will be a close game in the 4th qtr- if close i feel detroit has the advantage wtih the playmakers williams and johnson throwing late and making big plays-

I have to take detroit as a play tomorrow first play, as everything that i have researched suggests to me that emotionally and stats wise that detroit can win this game-
If they can win this game i will glady take 4 points
 
I think the 49ers/Lions game features two lower-tier teams. They're on the same level, unlike the Giants/Bengals for example.

Like Sammy says, San Francisco is coming back home off a good road upset, but early on they looked like they were about to get blown out. Detroit comes in off a very bad loss. Starting off as a blow out, then fighting back to take the lead, only to give it back in a matter of minutes and losing ATS at home. Because of that, I feel we're getting value on the line. QB is a wash, but the WR ad. is to the Lions. Against the 49er secondary, that's a backdoor that's open all game long. Detroit has looked bad on defense, but I did see a glimmer of hope early in the preseason and I'm not ready to give up on that. Past experience shows you never know what to expect from San Francisco at any given time, and an equal team with a legitimate shot to win SU getting 5, I'll take it.
 
All over Dallas Sammy...

For the Vikes what did Carolina do last week ? Almost nothing on offense and face a similiar defense which has been tested by GB and Indy . Vikes were basically 1 play away in each loss to winning both . They had Indy all but beat but couldnt close the deal and just hard pressed to get excited about Carolina IMO who was +9 2 weeks ago at SD ...simply dont see them winning unless Minny hands it to them as CHI and SD did. Smith returning is a huge help but they had like 210 yds of offense at home last week..the previous week CAR only TD was the last play of the game ......
 
The sacks that O sullivan took were coverage sacks and were not due to extreme pressure up front. O sullivan holds onto the ball and the routes are deep downfield-

IN fact I will take teh Moneyline as i feel detroit gets the win here in 9'er land
 
sportsnet would it be fair to say the following--

Taking DALLAS tomorrow In my eyes would mean the following---

-Having a USC_florida, georgia type team that shows up on road prime time games-
-having one of the best qbs in the league
having one of the best offenses in this league-

taking a team that scores, to beat dallas you will need 30 points minimum in my view-

I dont see dallas as being overrated- what is overated as giving up 0 sacks, scoring 41 on eagles D and also 28 on cleveland?

Romo vs Rodgers is adv ROMO and in prime time games QB play is huge
 
Houston chemical-- You summed it up brilliantly in your last post- we are on the same page in the detroit game-

Perhaps we will find out that detroit has no D, but they can only look better on D, and overall-- I really think 9'ers played ok last week but they can play worse-

Detroit is a good play because this is a team that can win the game--

Would go smaller on detroit and tehn on dallas
 
Eagles are a completely different team this year. Them racking up 41 on Monday was no fluke, that's how good I think Philadelphia will be. Regardless, the Cowboys defense was not up to the challenge. They're weren't up for the challenge last year either, giving up many big plays through the air. Green Bay has a balanced attack, and their receivers are built to blow by their defenders. I'm passing on this game because I see it going either way, but I don't see this as an easy win or easy cover at all for Dallas tomorrow night.
 
Sammy, I guess we agree to disagree. SF will continue to grow into this Martz offense and should get better, as the season goes on.

I just think that AZ is better than some think. Warner is hard to deal with, when he has time to deliver.
 
Philly did zip on offense in Dallas . They didnt score 41 either as they get 7 on a Romo fumble in the end zone and another 7 after a Romo INT gave them great field position , next play they got a miscalled pass interefernce put them at the 1 . 14 giftwrapped points ...they were outscored 31-13 minus the 2nd quarter and the reason why they scored in the 2nd Q was because DALLAS DEF was always on the field . DALLAS usual sloppy play kept Philly in it . If Romo doesnt fall apart for consecutive series when he was up 14-6 they may have blown them out the water as I dont recall a PHilly stop outside of the 1st possession after Halftime. If any defense was exposed it was Philly's for sure . They couldnt even hold DAL in check with 40 seconds before half after a long drive where they settled for 3 pts ...

I lobe Aaron Rogders but they key element is they barely beat Minny and Det . Look at the Minny stats again. They didnt even have 200 yds passing and 60 came on a great catch and throw by Jennings bewteen 2 Vike Defenders ...one of those plays that could have easily been an incompletion. Plus they had a big run from Grant for 50 yds... so 113 yds on 2 plays and they had 317 all game .....that Minny game was real tight and Vikes couldnt take advantage of there breaks because they couldnt throw the ball ...DAL will not struggle in that manner ......

Feel like GB is the " sucker bet " of the week....Dal should win by 7+ ....just see GB now getting 2 much credit for there play...sure there a playoff contender but no way are they a super bowl contender at this point ........
 
true i loved the over in dallas game- I can see both teams scoring quite a bit in this one------

It has over written all over it
 
As for SF pretty simple they had 3 chances to win the game @ SEA vs 1 possession for SEA. They had the ball deep in SEA territory but settled for 3 to tie it , then SEA was backed up and punted which SF drove the nall and missed a makeable FG and then they won the ball in OT. How could they not win ?? Oh and I had SF ++ pts and ML ....key for DET is simple dont fal behind 21-0...hard to pass on Det the game probably should ne SF -1.5 ,,,
 
nut i agree gbay was losing to detroit, even if its a shootout i will take romo over rodgers-- rodgers will not tear apart dallas- romo is the guy these days, he is the man, he is the real deal---

Dallas is the best o going in the league right now
 
Sammy Meatballs said:
true i loved the over in dallas game- I can see both teams scoring quite a bit in this one------

It has over written all over it
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Dont think it breaks 50.....

27-20 final...DAL will have to work for its points and really think GB will need big plays and good field position to score....
 
sportsnut you are thinking exaclty like i am- i had 49'ers -1 also-----

detroit playing at par can win any game----

dallas also is great-i dont see gbay ripping us apart.
 
SN, good points about the Monday night game. Philadelphia has a lot to work on defensively, but the fact remains, the Dallas secondary was soft. They've been beaten in the past and should be beaten by Green Bay's speed. Rodgers will have open targets.

Offensively, this is the strongest defense Dallas will see this year. I don't know....Green Bay may be a sucker bet, but for me, it's a toss up.
 
Houghton Chemical said:
SN, good points about the Monday night game. Philadelphia has a lot to work on defensively, but the fact remains, the Dallas secondary was soft. They've been beaten in the past and should be beaten by Green Bay's speed. Rodgers will have open targets.

Offensively, this is the strongest defense Dallas will see this year. I don't know....Green Bay may be a sucker bet, but for me, it's a toss up.
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I only thought the DAL secondary was soft at times in the 2nd Q which I attribute to the fact that Philly started the game with drives that only ent 45 tds but last several minutes and 10-11 plays were everything DAL did happened fast ...big play TD , kick return TD , INT on the 2nd play then FUmble on the 2nd play ...so just felt thats why Philly made some things happen in the 2nd Q on offense. Outside that Q jusy didnt see Philly do much on offense if you look at the play by play. Factor in Bigby injury and Grant leaving the ground game hobbled its just not a good spot IMO ...be very suprised to see DAL lose because of where the 2 teams are so to speak not talent ...plus DAL defense already played against Rodgers which none of the other teams did and his plays have come on the 1st H so far ...:shake:Just saw no reason to open the game -3 other then attract GB money especially since they give you a key number:cheers:
 
the "Sharps Report" courtesy of redskinsnut at blankets:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]KANSAS CITY AT ATLANTA: Not much happening of interest here unfortunately. Atlanta is a 5.5 point favorite, and the total has been locked in at 36.5 for awhile now (after opening at 36). The announcement that Tyler Thigpen would get the start did nothing to the line, because the sharps think all the KC quarterbacks are about equally horrible. There's just no interest in this game right now. I know some old school sharps who automatically go against any bad team that's a favorite just on principal. That approach tends to wait until the last possible second on the hopes that the public will drive the favorite higher. I do expect some old school money to hit the dog on game day. It certainly won't be a tidal wave though. Key numbers aren't involved. This is a game most guys have no interest in.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]OAKLAND AT BUFFALO: We come to our first game sitting on the number 9. Buffalo opened at 9 and 37. I'm now seeing 9 and 36.5. It will take a lot of money to move off the number 9 even though it's not a critical number. Sportsbooks just don't want to have to deal with Bills -2.5 of -2 in teasers, so it's not coming down even if a lot of Raiders money comes in. The books would rather be one-sided on Buffalo -9 rather than Oakland +2.5! Sure, the other part of the teaser has to hit too. Some many of those have been winning that the books prefer not to take the risk. A little tick to the Under because Buffalo tends toward lower scoring games. If anything happens with the weather, it will come down more than that.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HOUSTON AT TENNESSEE: Some Houston money came in early on the Texans +6. I'm seeing mostly +4.5 now as I write this. The total has gone up from 37.5 to 38.5 and 39. Interesting moves. I'm hearing that the sharps just don't trust Tennessee as a favorite. They like them as a dog, or maybe a cheap favorite (as they were in Cincinnati last week). Once the lines get higher, it's harder for them to get there consistently. I like some of the reasons for the total going up. Kerry Collins is a better quarterback than Vince Young...and the team won't be playing in 50-mph winds this week! Some totals guys I respect pointed that out. They think they got a sleeper at Over 37.5. Houston had a forced bye last week because of the hurricane. Hard to know how that will effect them. I was a little surprised there was so much fondness for Houston given that situation.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CINCINNATI AT NY GIANTS:[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] It's amazing how much this line has changed from where it would have been earlier in the season. The Giants were seen by the sharps as a 9-7 or 10-6 type team (many of whom still think last year was a fluke). Cincinnati was supposed to have a shot at the Wildcard if they could get healthy. The Giants would have been favored by more than a field goal, but less than a touchdown if the game was played in mid August or so. Perceptions have changed so much that the line is now -13. Higher in places. Is that the right number? Old school guys are going to take the dog because they take every double digit dog. They're hoping to see +14 on game day. Some of the younger guys remember how well big favorites did early last season. They're less likely to get involved either way. I've seen Over money come in at 41 and 41.5. If the weather's nice, it may go higher on game day.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ARIZONA AT WASHINGTON: We come to the first our field goal games. Washington opened at -3. They're now -3 with -120 vigorish, or -125 in some places. That means the sharps like Washington as a percentage play. But, if the line moved to -3.5, a whole lot of other guys would come in on Arizona with the hook. And, some of the early money might buy back anyway because three is such a common number. You might not think that's a great strategy because there's no"middle to shoot at." Well, three's are so common that you can make it work, particularly if you had favorable vigorish. Sharps know how to find that. I would be surprised if the line moves off a field goal. It would take a lot of public money over the weekend to cause that. The total's stayed steady at 42.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MIAMI AT NEW ENGLAND: New England joins the NY Giants as the only current double digit favorites. Funny that those were the Super Bowl teams. The line opened at -13, and is now 12.5. I'm hearing mostly Miami votes from the sharps. Some bet right away figuring +13 would be the best they'd see. Others are waiting until game day hoping the line will go up higher. Tough to see the public loading up on New England given that the Patriots haven't even scored 20 points in a game yet. Hard to cover a -13 like that. But, Miami did look awful last week, so it's possible. I don't know of any sharps who like New England at this price. I'm hearing Miami or pass. Nothing happening on the total yet, as it sits at 35.5[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]TAMPA BAY AT CHICAGO: Chicago opened at -3.5, but came right down to -3. I'm even seeing low vigorish now at the field goal (even money if you lay the -3). The sharps don't see this Bears team as a good favorite. Early actors were very happy to get the hook. I don't expect this line to come off the field goal. If the public doesn't come in strong on the Bears, the sportsbooks will be rooting for Chicago on game day. I should mention here that sportsbooks don't like dropping a 3 down to 2.5 because that 2.5 moves into the basic strategy teaser window I've been telling you about this year and last. The sharps already like Tampa Bay +3. They'd load up quick on teasers where they could move Tampa Bay to +8.5 and cross both the 3 and the 7. The totals sitting at 35 or 35.5. A lot of low numbers this week on the Over/Unders. If the weather is nice everywhere, you may see some game day Over money come in from the totals guys.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CAROLINA AT MINNESOTA: Minnesota in one of those field goal games, but the Vikings are getting hit so hard that the books might have to move the line up to 3.5 anyway. I've seen some 3.5's out there. Laying -3 will cost you anywhere from -120 to -135 depending on the place. There was a generally favorable reaction to the benching of Tavaris Jackson in favor of Gus Frerotte. Why? Because the sharps were all over Minnesota the first two weeks and went 0-2! They just missed both spreads, and spent a lot of time yelling at the quarterback or the play calling in those games. I'm interested to see what happens here. I know some guys who like Carolina hoping to get +3.5 or +4. They know Steve Smith is coming back after a suspension. Might be split money amongst the sharps if the line ever settles in on game day.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ST. LOUIS AT SEATTLE: The sharps made a killing on this field last week, as they bet San Francisco +9, +8.5, +8, +7.5, all the way down to a touchdown. San Francisco won that game outright. You know it had to be a lot of money coming in to fly through that teaser window. Ultimately any Seattle teasers lost anyway...the only basic strategy team not to get there last weekend. There's a lot less enthusiasm for St. Louis, who has looked absolutely horrible so far. Seattle has a ton of injuries though. I wouldn't be shocked to see a game day move on the dog again. The San Francisco move happened late last week. The total has come down half a point from the opener. There's just not much happening yet with the Over/Unders this week. I won't mention them again unless there's a move of a point or more to mention.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DETROIT AT SAN FRANCISCO: San Francisco opened as a 5-point favorite. Detroit money has come in pretty heavily, so we're seeing 4 or 3.5 as I write this. It's not that everyone thinks the Lions are great. They've been stunned at how bad the defense has looked. But, they don't trust the 49ers as a favorite of this size...particularly with an inexperienced quarterback. Also, the Niners are coming off a divisional win, which might set up a letdown spot. I don't think the line will go all the way down to a field goal. If it does some middle players would step in on SF. For now, Detroit is the sharp side here. And, critical numbers aren't yet involved, so it's a game others could follow along with if they were so inclined.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NEW ORLEANS AT DENVER: Here's another game with a move over non-critical numbers. But, it's moving in the other direction. Denver opened at -4 in this spot, and is now up to -5 or -5.5 as I look at the board. The sharps like what they see from the Denver offense this year...and they know that the New Orleans defense is pretty bad. That, and what may be a lingering bias for the AFC in interconference matchups has led to some love for the favorite. Remember that sharps are typically dog players, so this is a serious vote for the Broncos at the lower numbers. Some are talking about the AFC falling back to earth this year, creating more parity between the conferences. Well, that's true...because INJURIES have hurt the traditional powers. Denver isn't injured. New Orleans wasn't an NFC playoff team last year. Might be some thought about the altitude edge in play here too. New Orleans is playing its second straight road game.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]PITTSBURGH AT PHILADELPHIA: Another field goal game. The money is coming in on the favorite here as well. So, you have to lay heavy juice to play the Eagles at -3. I'm seeing a 3.5 now. This is similar to the Minnesota game in that the money may be so one-sided that the books have to move off the field goal and risk getting sided. A rock and a hard place from their perspective. This move goes against the AFC/NFC theory of the prior game. I'm hearing that some guys who focus on injuries think Ben Roethlisberger is in worse shape than he's letting on. Donovan McNabb has looked great so far too. Guys I respect are quietly suggesting that the Eagles may be in the top two of the NFC right now alongside Dallas. We'll know more about that after watching this game.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JACKSONVILLE AT INDIANAPOLIS: The Colts opened at -6. Jacksonville got bet early, bringing the line all the way down to +5 and +4.5. If the Jaguars had done anything in the first two weeks, I think they would have been hit hard even at +3. Indianapolis hasn't looked good at all, except for the fourth quarter at Minnesota. But, Jacksonville doesn't even have a good quarter in the books! The Jaguars are 0-2, and have as many injury issues as the Colts do. The sharps see the points as a value play given two injury-riddled teams trying to work things out. It's not an enthusiastic play though because the sharps have all been watching the Jags flounder on TV.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CLEVELAND AT BALTIMORE:[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] We have a total that moved a point, so let me talk about that first. This one opened at 39.5, and has come down to 38.5. Sharps definitely want to play Unders in Baltimore games given their quality defense and rookie quarterback. Also, Cleveland's biggest weakness is seen as its secondary, which won't be as big a problem against a rookie quarterback. Baltimore opened -1 on the team side. I'm currently seeing -2 as an average of what's out there. That puts Cleveland in the teaser window. Not many options out there to stick in a teaser with Cleveland! This is why I talked about teasers again in my Wednesday article a few days ago. Fear of teasers is playing a big role in shaping what the lines look like this week.[/FONT]​
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DALLAS AT GREEN BAY: Another field goal game. Though, this time it's a road favorite. That's the first time we've seen that this week. All the other field goal teams are hosts. The sharps will go against the public here if there's a move in either direction. Normally the public bets the favorite...and bets Dallas. So, the most likely scenario is that the sharps come in on Green Bay at favorable rates late Sunday. If the sharps liked Dallas, they would have acted already. We expect a big handle in the sportsbooks on this huge Sunday Night matchup. Everyone's looking forward to it, and they'll have all day to bet.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NY JETS AT SAN DIEGO: San Diego opened at -7.5, and jumped right through the teaser window up to -9. You're going to see a lot of that this year. It's like 8-point or 8.5-poinit favorites have gone extinct! The Jets haven't exactly impressed yet this year. But, the public does like Brett Favre. I'm interested to see what the public finally decides about this one on Monday. They normally like laying points with San Diego at home because the Chargers win a lot of blowouts. But, Favre plus this many points will be hard for them to pass up. The sharps are going to play it by ear. They're more likely to take the points than to lay them...and are hoping the line might inch up a little higher by kickoff.[/FONT]​
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Betcrimes good stuff bro.I disagree with some of the analysis by this guy but overall I agree.To be honest this isn't an attractive card at all today.Shitty lines and shitty matchups make it a tough card.I am hoping just to break even.Its even diificult to find and edge in quarter plays and half plays.
 
The more I think about it I think we may find value today in 2nd halfs.I will be looking at those. I think this will be my way to the green today when it is all said and done.
 
daveniner said:
Sammy, I guess we agree to disagree. SF will continue to grow into this Martz offense and should get better, as the season goes on.

I just think that AZ is better than some think. Warner is hard to deal with, when he has time to deliver.
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Agree and actually O'sullivan reminds me a bit of a young shelf stocking Kurt Warner.. Martz made him a lot of money-- will he do it again?
 
Here is hwat I have played so far or strongly considering ...

Pitt +4 -120
Ravens ML
Dallas -2.5
Vikings -2.5 yuck -140
Bears -2.5 yuck -140
Texans +5

Totals
Und 39 Ravens (earlier this week)
Und 35.5 TB and 1st H under
Over 36.5 Vikings -120
Over 36.5 KC -120
Over 39.5 Tenny

Team Totals
Over 15 KC
Over 13.5 Oak
Over 14 Cincy ??
Over Houston 17.5
Und 16 Bucs
Over 20.5 Vikings

Still looking at stuff deciding what I like in terms of strength and anything else that stands out....Skins -1.5 1st H as Zona flies cross country ..Und NYG 1st H ...

BOL:cheers:
 
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