Tom Brady---Forever a Fraud?

Tom's got squishy balls...

Has this been posted yet?

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guaranteeed said:
That graph smoke showed is exhibit A and once the whistleblower comes out should be enough to strip the team of all super bowls under bellicheat and ban tommy from football for life
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A quick check on that graph, using NFL.com stats, shows that the stat being measured was fumbles lost, not fumbles. Pats are actually 2nd behind Atlanta in fewest fumbles and most plays per fumble in that time period. I don't see how fewer lost fumbles could have any correlation to the PSI of a football. And Atlanta must be even bigger cheaters based on the "evidence".
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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Keep chopping wood guys.
 
CASH said:
why not?

What exactly has he done? don't speculate.. use facts.
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Ordered balls to be doctored

Smoke has given stats enough to back it up

I posted the table showing the huge advantage brady got in cold weather games where the doctored ball is more of an advantage
 
Marlo, sorry about your Lakers this year but hopefully your Yankees will have a nice season in baseball. GL to your Red Wings the second half of the season as well
 
CASH said:
and they are probably in the top 3 in passing in the last 3 years.. less chance to fumble.. like a runner
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LMAO homer.

Pats run the hell out of the ball, guarantee you top quarter of the league when it comes to rushing attempts the last 3 years.
 
ArizonaKid said:
LMAO homer.

Pats run the hell out of the ball, guarantee you top quarter of the league when it comes to rushing attempts the last 3 years.
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Yes - homer,,,, but i have been very clear that if there is proof that they should be punished... i said it a few times in the thread...


unlike you, teed, smoke, alex who are Haters....admit that you are haters and use facts....

show me the guarantee
 
CASH said:
Yes - homer,,,, but i have been very clear that if there is proof that they should be punished... i said it a few times in the thread...


unlike you, teed, smoke, alex who are Haters....admit that you are haters and use facts....

show me the guarantee
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Not a hater, just don't like cheaters
 
So if this is no big deal....then

Corking bats is ok
Scuffing baseballs is ok
Stick'um is ok
Plaster casts for lineman ok
Bigger goalie pads ok
Curve your hockey stick all you want ok
 
Tom is full of shit....answer to 1st question should have been NO\

They are guilty and will blame an equipment guy "who's heart was in the right place"
 
The Patriots did not necessarily have to alter or deflate the football in order to beat the system and play the AFC Championship Game with footballs that were easier to grip and catch.
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</figcaption></figure>Martin Schmaltz, a Professor of Physics at Boston University, explained the truths and myths of Deflategate to Boston.com, and helped outline a theory where the Patriots could have easily passed the NFL’s pregame tests with the same footballs that failed to meet the league’s mandated standards at halftime.
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“One complication with the pressure units that we usually use, in this case PSI (Pressure per Square Inch) is that we are measuring the pressure above the atmospheric pressure,” Schmaltz said. “Air at a fixed volume- and I assume the size of a football stays pretty much the same whether it has a PSI of 13 or 11- if the size stays the same, and you change the temperature of the air, the pressure inside the football changes as well.”
The key question, as outlined by Schmaltz, is where the balls were tested prior to the game. If the balls were tested indoors, where the temperature was likely above the 50 degree temperature outdoors Sunday, then the pressure inside the ball would drop once the ball is moved outdoors and begins to cool off.
“If they had inflated the balls inside the building and put it to the minimum amount, and then brought it outside to temperatures that were about 30 degrees lower, that would drop the PSI by between 1 and 2,” Schmaltz explained.
According to Schmaltz, once the temperature of the air inside the ball drops to the temperature of the air outside the ball, the PSI would be changed. Schmaltz estimated that it would take no more than 30 minutes for the temperature of the air inside the ball to acclimate to the temperature of the air outside.
“After the game, if you take the ball inside to a commissioner’s office or another warm place, the air in the ball would warm up again and the PSI would go back up,” said Schmaltz.
If the balls were inflated, stored, and tested outside in 50 degree weather, there’s no explanation for how the PSI could drop so significantly. Schmaltz also debunks Tom Brady’s claim that Rob Gronkowski can deflate a football by spiking it. According to Schmaltz, the wear and tear of the football game will have minimal impact on the air pressure inside the football.
Taking Schmaltz’s expertise and applying it to the weather situation from Sunday, we were able to outline how the Patriots could have altered the PSI of the football if they were able to submit the balls for testing without exposing them to the open air for a significant amount of time.
If the Patriots inflated, stored, and/or tested the balls by filling them to 12.5 PSI in a 70 degree environment, the PSI of the balls would drop by about 1 after half an hour outside in a 50 degree environment, according to Schmaltz.
However, the NFL found that 11 of the Patriots 12 balls were “underinflated by about 2 pounds each.” In order for a ball to register a 10.5 PSI in a 50 degree environment but register a 12.5 PSI in the testing environment, the ball would have to have been inflated, stored, and/or tested in a 91 degree environment.
Schmaltz reasons that “about 2 pounds” means that the balls were likely somewhere in the 1.6-2 PSI below standard range. In that case, the balls would have to have been inflated, stored, and/or tested in an environment that was at least 82 degrees.
Of course, this all assumes that the Patriots’ balls registered the minimum 12.5 PSI when they were tested by the NFL. It also assumes that the NFL doesn’t mandate the balls be left outside in the open air for a half hour or so to get an accurate reading on the PSI of the ball at game temperature.
It’s not obvious to think the Patriots would keep their footballs in a heated environment to help beat the test and make their footballs a little bit easier to throw and catch. But if Bill Belichick is as diabolical as some people say he is, and the Patriots’ organization is fully committed to bending any rule they can to achieve a competitive advantage, then it’s possible.
Looking over the NFL rules on the ball, there’s nothing in the rule book stating what temperature the balls have to be tested at. That’s one of the loopholes the NFL will need to address when it reviews Deflategate and adapts to prevent it in future seasons.
New reports have stated the Colts first suspected the Patriots were using underinflated footballs in Week 11, when the teams played indoors in Indianapolis. That suggests, as many people suspect, that the Patriots have gotten away with bending these rules before.
In the event that they haven’t, however, and that the AFC Championship Game was an isolated incident, the Patriots may have exploited the rule and softened the football using good old-fashioned science.
 
All these haters who never passed 9th grade science. Fill a football to 12.5 psi, the lower limit of NFL approved football pressure indoors at say a comfy 72F. Take it outside where it's 40F for a couple hours and not only will the pressure drop to around 11.1, 11.2 psi it absolutely has to drop below the mandated 12.5. BB is a diabolical genius. Not a cheater.
 
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I can see it now.... Brady telling Hoody and The Sheriff ;

Who ordered the BALL DEFLATION?


I would like an answer to the question!


"YOU WANT THE TRUTH?!?
"YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
" I ORDERED THE DAMN CODE DEFLATION AND I WILL DO IT AGAIN! "
 
babyneedshoes said:
All these haters who never passed 9th grade science. Fill a football to 12.5 psi, the lower limit of NFL approved football pressure indoors at say a comfy 72F. Take it outside where it's 40F for a couple hours and not only will the pressure drop to around 11.1, 11.2 psi it absolutely has to drop below the mandated 12.5. BB is a diabolical genius. Not a cheater.
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According to the ideal gas law a ball filled at 12.5 psi at 72F would have a pressure of 11.75 psi at 40F

PV-nRT can be rearranged to

P2=P1(T2/T1) if Volume is constant, where Pressure is measured in Pascals and T in degrees Kelvin

12.5psi=86184.466125 pascals
72F=295.37K
40F=277.59K


277.59/295.37= 0.939804313

86184.466125 x 0.939804313= 80996.53299806599 pascals/6894.75729pascals/psi = 11.74559psi

And this is assuming the volume of the ball remains the same and does not shrink at all, any change in the volume of the ball, which is probably negligible, would make the pressure even higher at 40F.
 
babyneedshoes said:
All these haters who never passed 9th grade science. Fill a football to 12.5 psi, the lower limit of NFL approved football pressure indoors at say a comfy 72F. Take it outside where it's 40F for a couple hours and not only will the pressure drop to around 11.1, 11.2 psi it absolutely has to drop below the mandated 12.5. BB is a diabolical genius. Not a cheater.
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Jesus Christ, wanna explain the science then as to why only the football's used by the Patriots and not the ones used by the Colts failed to measure to guidelines ?

(Insert guy eating a big tube of popcorn here)
 
Look at MIT Lloyd here, well done my man. Been 39 years since my two semesters of thermo so I ball parked the numbers but I like your model much better. Internet is a wonderful thing isn't it. I was on my way to the library to look up the actual calculation but then I remembered I haven't had a library card since before the Sugar Bear Hamilton roughing call on Stabler. What I wanted to say was "Today, before teeing it up at Apollo Beach CC where it was a balmy 81F I filled a football to 12.5 psi and mailed the muthafuka to Foxborough. I guarantee it will not register a 12.5 when the boys start tossing it around at Gillette" but I didn't want to rub it in to my homies who are shoveling 12 inches or Don Kent's 'partly cloudy'.
 
AZKid, the Dolts brought their own footballs. They bring 12, the Pats bring 12, and another 12 are provided by the Pats for backup in case they are needed. The home team also has to provide 8, 10 or 12 brand new hermetically sealed 'kicking balls' which is a subject better covered in the Tuck Rule thread.
 
babyneedshoes said:
Look at MIT Lloyd here, well done my man. Been 39 years since my two semesters of thermo so I ball parked the numbers but I like your model much better. Internet is a wonderful thing isn't it. I was on my way to the library to look up the actual calculation but then I remembered I haven't had a library card since before the Sugar Bear Hamilton roughing call on Stabler. What I wanted to say was "Today, before teeing it up at Apollo Beach CC where it was a balmy 81F I filled a football to 12.5 psi and mailed the muthafuka to Foxborough. I guarantee it will not register a 12.5 when the boys start tossing it around at Gillette" but I didn't want to rub it in to my homies who are shoveling 12 inches or Don Kent's 'partly cloudy'.
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I had to look up the conversions on the units and yes of course the pressure will decrease some with a drop in temp but it's pretty small and 11 of the Pats 12 balls were 2psi under the limit, you can't account for that difference with a change in temp.
 
Where did this 2LB under the limit fact/result come from? I've seen nothing from the NFL or the guys who measured the psi at half time. I would be shocked if all 11 of the BB (Belichik balls) measured exactly 2LB under. Although I did manage to lose 11 straight college hoop game bets a couple years ago so anything is possible.
 
babyneedshoes said:
Where did this 2LB under the limit fact/result come from? I've seen nothing from the NFL or the guys who measured the psi at half time. I would be shocked if all 11 of the BB (Belichik balls) measured exactly 2LB under. Although I did manage to lose 11 straight college hoop game bets a couple years ago so anything is possible.
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http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

The NFL has found that 11 of the New England Patriots' 12 game balls were inflated significantly below the NFL's requirements, league sources involved and familiar with the investigation of Sunday's AFC Championship Game told ESPN.

The investigation found the footballs were inflated 2 pounds per square inch below what's required by NFL regulations during the Pats' 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts, according to sources.
 
CASH said:
and they are probably in the top 3 in passing in the last 3 years.. less chance to fumble.. like a runner
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Turns out Patriots are 4th in the NFL in rushing attempts over the last 3 seasons, trailing only Seattle, Houston, and the NY Jets.
 
Science doesn't lie and I've found the boys at espn to be pretty reliable so there must be something else to it. F'n cheating bastards. Amazing how easy it is to make that jump. I got nothing else.
 
I heard there was an Aaron Hernandez sighting before the game in the vicinity of where the bag of balls was kept. Some speculate he might have had something to do with it but I don't think he would stoop that low.
 
DaRaiders said:
So if this is no big deal....then

Corking bats is ok
Scuffing baseballs is ok
Stick'um is ok
Plaster casts for lineman ok
Bigger goalie pads ok
Curve your hockey stick all you want ok
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I linked an article earlier that likened this incident to pine tar in baseball...check it out. As for the other things you've brought up...no one is saying those things are okay, but some of them are done by a bunch of guys and if they aren't caught we never know about it. Except for the stick um, there's no real need for that anymore, they've just basically incorporated stick um into the WR's gloves. Have you tried on a pair of WR gloves lately? It's amazing they ever drop a ball with how sticky those things are.
 
babyneedshoes said:
Science doesn't lie and I've found the boys at espn to be pretty reliable so there must be something else to it. F'n cheating bastards. Amazing how easy it is to make that jump. I got nothing else.
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The boys at ESPN being reliable...Hahahahahaha.
 
babyneedshoes said:
Schrute, 11 straight college bb losers IN A ROW. That's why I don't post. WhoTF would listen?
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You're clearly a smart guy
You're apparently honest as not many people would admit to a bad run
You've been around a while as you've been a member for over 8 years

I bet you're a pretty damn capper. I understand if you don't want to post but I do think your plays/analysis would provide value to the forum for the above mentioned reasons
 
guaranteeed said:
Ordered balls to be doctored

Smoke has given stats enough to back it up

I posted the table showing the huge advantage brady got in cold weather games where the doctored ball is more of an advantage
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But you still haven't answered why it's a bigger advantage in the cold as it would be in warm weather. A deflated ball is a deflated ball, and if Brady likes them so much, why wouldn't they deflate them every single game?
 
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