Should Texas Fire Charlie Strong?

No way in hell do I fire Charlie Strong midseason, but he is obviously done.

Expected a better hire when he was named, now I want Texas to go after Dabo. If they can't pry him away Chris Petersen would be my next target.
 
twinkie13 said:
I would also like to hear the talking heads(not HCs...they obviously defend their own) that defended the grass eating moron
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He's not the only grasseater around. Tommy Bowden did it, too, but be reasonable. Miles had a better record than any other LSU head coach in the last 100 years, including Saban.
 
Could be the worst coached team in program history - no discipline, fundamentally unsound and just flat out clueless way too often. Sad to see this happen to Strong as he's a good person who doesn't make excuses and lay blame. I thought with that cancer Patterson out of the way and a more supportive admin plus getting his PR go-to back in John Bianco that we'd see Strong able to focus more on the field and that would lead to better management of the staff and players. We have not. Clearly an example of someone in way over his head and barring an absolute miracle finish, Strong is done. We'll likely finish 5-7 this year which will be a 7th straight year of mediocre to bad football at the University of Texas.

Inexcusable and nauseating.
 
Think I saw that Texas has something like 8 seasons where they have gone 3-4 in their first 7 games, with Strong accounting for one in each season he's been there. It has to be a foregone conclusion that he's gone, right? Also, whoever hires him better hope that Herman has just been distracted and lost some of the drive at Houston once they were bounced from the playoffs and not going to the big 12. Those last 3 games have been ugly.

Heard on the radio that Texas could look at Jim McElwain or Hugh Freeze too.
 
ArizonaKid said:
No way in hell do I fire Charlie Strong midseason, but he is obviously done.

Expected a better hire when he was named, now I want Texas to go after Dabo. If they can't pry him away Chris Petersen would be my next target.
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Id be shocked if texas could get either. Dabo was made to coach clemson. Peterson aint leaving.
 
MacIntyre at CU didn't look like he had a clue for 4 years but they let him see it through and look where they are now. It's a tough call either way but I think he's gone at the end of the year.
 
M.W. said:
He's not the only grasseater around. Tommy Bowden did it, too, but be reasonable. Miles had a better record than any other LSU head coach in the last 100 years, including Saban.
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I am being reasonable....nice man, all class. Love him to bits. He wasted a once in a generation RB for the Belk Bowl playing Texas Tech.....

He lucked into what Saban awoke...
 
Two Utes said:
MacIntyre at CU didn't look like he had a clue for 4 years but they let him see it through and look where they are now. It's a tough call either way but I think he's gone at the end of the year.
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2 different animals tho Utes....apples to poptarts

Also not helping is the Harbaughs and FLA HC of the world.......all done in a conference that is really really down to boot
 
twinkie13 said:
2 different animals tho Utes....apples to poptarts

Also not helping is the Harbaughs and FLA HC of the world.......all done in a conference that is really really down to boot
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Why is that though? Mac was close to being canned and then some new guy was going to come in and kick ass with Mac's recruits. Urban Meyer was the master of that. He inherited a full cupboard at Utah, springboarded that to even more talent and Florida and you know the rest. Don't get me wrong, UM coached up what Ron McBride couldn't but he didn't have to build anything. I agree that Strong has underachieved but was he really that bad at UofL? Texas was a dumpster fire when he took over. I still think he's gone and wouldn't fault Texas in doing so but I think the next guy will reap the fruits of Strong's labor.
 
I just never thought he was good fit there. It seemed to me, Texas got caught with their pants down on the hire.
Ideally, they wanted Saban and Saban sniffed around and it just didn't work out in the end.....I never thought Strong was "their guy". Meaning, I think this time they will have who they want lined up.....instead of firing, then searching.
Know what they want up front, in other words.
 
Two Utes said:
MacIntyre at CU didn't look like he had a clue for 4 years but they let him see it through and look where they are now.
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They improved tremendously over his first three seasons -- from being outscored by 28 points a game the year before he got to Boulder to being outscored by 3 ppg last year. 2012 team was outgained by 2200 yards; last year's team was outgained by 250 yards. Mike's situation bears no resemblance to Strong's. He took a team that would have been 28-point dogs to Texas when he and Strong took over and narrowed the gap to eight points by the end of last season. If his job was ever in jeopardy, then the folks at CU are nuts.
 
As for Herman, over at another forum, someone reasoned that his team's no-show versus SMU was likely due to the the Big 12's decision not to accept UH. Makes sense to me.
 
M.W. said:
As for Herman, over at another forum, someone reasoned that his team's no-show versus SMU was likely due to the the Big 12's decision not to accept UH. Makes sense to me.
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Still a team with a shitload to play for going into that game. More likely that UH has floated a contract extension out to Herman which the latter hasn't shown a big interest in. Team knows that he's gone so maybe they've thrown in the towel.
 
cubsker said:
Id be shocked if texas could get either. Dabo was made to coach clemson. Peterson aint leaving.
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Peterson is definitely not leaving UW. Why would he? He's easily got the best team in the conference and he obviously likes the smaller programs (smaller in the sense that they are not one of the top dream jobs in the sport like USC, Bama, LSU, Florida, etc.).
 
twinkie13 said:
also Tom Herman is losing his luster some eh?
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I've watched most of their games the past 2 weeks and they look disinterested. The team won their conference last year and beat FSU in the Peach Bowl. The open the season beating Oklahoma. What is left for them to achieve? To make the playoffs. Once that went they have had nothing to play for. This is no slight on Herman, Meyer couldn't get his team interested last year either
 
P-Unit said:
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Peterson is definitely not leaving UW. Why would he? He's easily got the best team in the conference and he obviously likes the smaller programs (smaller in the sense that they are not one of the top dream jobs in the sport like USC, Bama, LSU, Florida, etc.).
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People thought he wouldn't leave Boise....this is about as far as he would go, I agree.
Also, doesn't he have a sick kid or something that keeps him in the area(or something like that)?
 
Alan Tongue said:
I've watched most of their games the past 2 weeks and they look disinterested. The team won their conference last year and beat FSU in the Peach Bowl. The open the season beating Oklahoma. What is left for them to achieve? To make the playoffs. Once that went they have had nothing to play for. This is no slight on Herman, Meyer couldn't get his team interested last year either
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Yea, but I don't know if that flies. To get your ass kicked by SMU? Not good....look, he still get Texas or whatever he wants likely, but still not a great look for him.

As a side note...Going back to VKs sentiment on Texas HS football.
Look at the results from last week.
TAMU
TX Tech
Houston
TCU
Baylor(Bye)

Lost.....
 
twinkie13 said:
People thought he wouldn't leave Boise....this is about as far as he would go, I agree.
Also, doesn't he have a sick kid or something that keeps him in the area(or something like that)?
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he wasn't leaving Boise for jobs outside of the NW. I recall he does have a sick child that requires special medical care so that limited where he might go to.
 
I'd have a hard time seeing Peterson leave UW for any job anywhere, he's not a prestige guy. Doubt Phil Knight money would even sway him, think he likes to settle in
 
Frank Costanza said:
Still a team with a shitload to play for going into that game. More likely that UH has floated a contract extension out to Herman which the latter hasn't shown a big interest in. Team knows that he's gone so maybe they've thrown in the towel.
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That's the point. The expansion decision means Herman is leaving. Is he going to UT or not?
 
P-Unit said:
he wasn't leaving Boise for jobs outside of the NW. I recall he does have a sick child that requires special medical care so that limited where he might go to.
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Whatever illness his child may have, I'm sure they have doctors for it in Austin. Isn't he a member of the church of Scientology? Not sure how well that would play anywhere east of the Rockies. Or am I making that up?
 
twinkie13 said:
GW- While I agree with you it isn't a BIG factor.....it is a factor. Being disingenious if you think they aren't egg-shelling this because he is the first black coach ever at UT and is about to get fired after 3 years.......it sucks that it is that way, but it is
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funny that everyone knows the egg-shelling term, which i assume comes from picking off the eggshell of a hardboiled egg and the shell being what's said for reasoning behind a firing when the egg is the reason...

I don't think 3 years is a short amount of time at all when all he's won is recruiting, which we've been winning for the last decade and it's done nothing

gps_3 said:
Think I saw that Texas has something like 8 seasons where they have gone 3-4 in their first 7 games, with Strong accounting for one in each season he's been there. It has to be a foregone conclusion that he's gone, right? Also, whoever hires him better hope that Herman has just been distracted and lost some of the drive at Houston once they were bounced from the playoffs and not going to the big 12. Those last 3 games have been ugly.

Heard on the radio that Texas could look at Jim McElwain or Hugh Freeze too.
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don't think we have any interest in Freeze and especially not with the NCAA police chase coming after him. Don't hate McElwain, but not sure he's proven himself yet (if we can even get proven coaches because i'm not sure why they'd want to come to UT)

Two Utes said:
Why is that though? Mac was close to being canned and then some new guy was going to come in and kick ass with Mac's recruits. Urban Meyer was the master of that. He inherited a full cupboard at Utah, springboarded that to even more talent and Florida and you know the rest. Don't get me wrong, UM coached up what Ron McBride couldn't but he didn't have to build anything. I agree that Strong has underachieved but was he really that bad at UofL? Texas was a dumpster fire when he took over. I still think he's gone and wouldn't fault Texas in doing so but I think the next guy will reap the fruits of Strong's labor.
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i hope you're right, but it seems like whoever it is will inherit another mess

twinkie13 said:
I just never thought he was good fit there. It seemed to me, Texas got caught with their pants down on the hire.
Ideally, they wanted Saban and Saban sniffed around and it just didn't work out in the end.....I never thought Strong was "their guy". Meaning, I think this time they will have who they want lined up.....instead of firing, then searching.
Know what they want up front, in other words.
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agree completely on the pants down comment. Our administration has far too many chiefs and not enough indians to the point where beatwriters contact car dealership owners to see what they think about things

gps_3 said:
Whatever illness his child may have, I'm sure they have doctors for it in Austin. Isn't he a member of the church of Scientology? Not sure how well that would play anywhere east of the Rockies. Or am I making that up?
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lol there's actually a scientology church across the main street that runs along campus

M.W. said:
That's the point. The expansion decision means Herman is leaving. Is he going to UT or not?
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i'd say he's most likely to come, but i haven't been sold on him yet and the last few weeks aren't good indicators. Who the F knows
 
gps_3 said:
Whatever illness his child may have, I'm sure they have doctors for it in Austin. Isn't he a member of the church of Scientology? Not sure how well that would play anywhere east of the Rockies. Or am I making that up?
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I was on the Boise wagon years ago. The illness his kid has limits them to the Northwest. The climate is more conducive to whatever it was. I distinctly remember that being one of the two reasons he wouldn't leave Boise.
 
It's such a cluster fuck right now. Interim / inept AD so much so that the new UT President has had to step in on 2 major athletics hires after being on the job <1 year and acknowledging, openly, that he "wasn't much of an athletics guy". So we have a new Chancellor, President and AD who have been on the job one year +/-. Then we have our old cancer / AD Steve Patterson who completely bypassed the big money donors in the hiring of Strong. Whether they decide their feelings were hurt badly, need to be involved in hiring Strong's successor and muck up things further is TBD. And really how long is this AD going to be in place and how will any coach take this job w/o some security on the AD's successor. I'm sure that is being taken care of as we speak but, still, another complicating factor.

Gun to my head, I'd say Herman is on the way to being a done deal. I'm not saying that's good, bad or indifferent. Just my feeling. But if Herman is brought onboard he'll be coming to Austin without his OC. Major Applewhite is an (indirect) party to a discrimination lawsuit filed by our former women's track coach. She had a relationship with a student-athlete and was fired. Applewhite, at Texas, had a relationship with a student trainer while on Mack Brown's staff. He got a slap on the wrist. Not to mention he was doing this while his wife was 8 months pregnant. So the piece of shit can stay away from Austin as far as I'm concerned.

I'm numb after 7 years of bad to mediocre football. Ordinarily, I'd love to sit back and watch shit shows like this play out. Makes for interesting theatre and some good comedic value. Except, of course, when it's your school that's the 3-ring circus.
 
Frank Costanza;[URL="tel:2972458" said:
2972458[/URL]]It's such a cluster fuck right now. Interim / inept AD so much so that the new UT President has had to step in on 2 major athletics hires after being on the job <1 year and acknowledging, openly, that he "wasn't much of an athletics guy". So we have a new Chancellor, President and AD who have been on the job one year +/-. Then we have our old cancer / AD Steve Patterson who completely bypassed the big money donors in the hiring of Strong. Whether they decide their feelings were hurt badly, need to be involved in hiring Strong's successor and muck up things further is TBD. And really how long is this AD going to be in place and how will any coach take this job w/o some security on the AD's successor. I'm sure that is being taken care of as we speak but, still, another complicating factor.

Gun to my head, I'd say Herman is on the way to being a done deal. I'm not saying that's good, bad or indifferent. Just my feeling. But if Herman is brought onboard he'll be coming to Austin without his OC. Major Applewhite is an (indirect) party to a discrimination lawsuit filed by our former women's track coach. She had a relationship with a student-athlete and was fired. Applewhite, at Texas, had a relationship with a student trainer while on Mack Brown's staff. He got a slap on the wrist. Not to mention he was doing this while his wife was 8 months pregnant. So the piece of shit can stay away from Austin as far as I'm concerned.

I'm numb after 7 years of bad to mediocre football. Ordinarily, I'd love to sit back and watch shit shows like this play out. Makes for interesting theatre and some good comedic value. Except, of course, when it's your school that's the 3-ring circus.
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Alabama was pretty much a laughingstock from 2000-2008. Preseason #3 in 2000, went 3-8. Fired Dubose for banging a secretary and hired Franchione. He bolts when it becomes apparent that the NCAA is going to hammer us after Fulmer testifies. Hire Mike Price who doesn't even make it to his first season after he uses the school credit card at a strip club. Hire Mike Shula who at least didn't embarrass us off the field. Fire him and have basically locked up Rich Rod before he gets cold feet, some of which is attributed to some things Finebaum said about his wife. Then look desperate to entire country as we put all our eggs in the Saban basket. Things are better until we go a second straight November winless, this time losing to La-Monroe. Since then, all good. Just need the right guy in Austin, it will turn around
 
P-Unit said:
he wasn't leaving Boise for jobs outside of the NW. I recall he does have a sick child that requires special medical care so that limited where he might go to.
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It's apparently no longer an issue. There were a minority of hospitals that were set up to help, and St Judes in Boise just happened to be one. If it wasn't he wouldn't have gone to Boise as OC in the first place. The son, Sam, is in high school and specialist care is no longer required
 
gps_3 said:
Alabama was pretty much a laughingstock from 2000-2008. Preseason #3 in 2000, went 3-8. Fired Dubose for banging a secretary and hired Franchione. He bolts when it becomes apparent that the NCAA is going to hammer us after Fulmer testifies. Hire Mike Price who doesn't even make it to his first season after he uses the school credit card at a strip club. Hire Mike Shula who at least didn't embarrass us off the field. Fire him and have basically locked up Rich Rod before he gets cold feet, some of which is attributed to some things Finebaum said about his wife. Then look desperate to entire country as we put all our eggs in the Saban basket. Things are better until we go a second straight November winless, this time losing to La-Monroe. Since then, all good. Just need the right guy in Austin, it will turn around
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"All eggs in Saban basket"

Cmon bro.....cmon

It was a universal slam motherfucking dunk.
If it worked wonders at LSU, there was No, zero, ZERO chance it wouldn't work at Bama.


Texas is different...Different in that it should be BETTER and EASIER to do it at....lol, but they just can't.

Can you imagine Saban at Texas?
As a fan once told me..El Oh El

Or something like that
 
cubsker said:
Hes just getting it rolling at udub. Not sure why he'd want to start over again.
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Besides that....I think he likes the lower key vibe....

I don't think he would "fit" elsewhere not that he wouldn't/couldn't......more he doesn't want to
 
Interesting thing with Seattle, even with the hawks, I'm pretty sure Seattle is a UW football city first above all else...might be the 2nd best job in the Pac12 depending on definition, obviously Oregon could be 2, and we know USC is 1, but his situation doesn't suck there.
 
Alan Tongue said:
It's apparently no longer an issue. There were a minority of hospitals that were set up to help, and St Judes in Boise just happened to be one. If it wasn't he wouldn't have gone to Boise as OC in the first place. The son, Sam, is in high school and specialist care is no longer required
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nice to hear but i don't think he's moving

Frank Costanza said:
It's such a cluster fuck right now. Interim / inept AD so much so that the new UT President has had to step in on 2 major athletics hires after being on the job <1 year and acknowledging, openly, that he "wasn't much of an athletics guy". So we have a new Chancellor, President and AD who have been on the job one year +/-. Then we have our old cancer / AD Steve Patterson who completely bypassed the big money donors in the hiring of Strong. Whether they decide their feelings were hurt badly, need to be involved in hiring Strong's successor and muck up things further is TBD. And really how long is this AD going to be in place and how will any coach take this job w/o some security on the AD's successor. I'm sure that is being taken care of as we speak but, still, another complicating factor.

Gun to my head, I'd say Herman is on the way to being a done deal. I'm not saying that's good, bad or indifferent. Just my feeling. But if Herman is brought onboard he'll be coming to Austin without his OC. Major Applewhite is an (indirect) party to a discrimination lawsuit filed by our former women's track coach. She had a relationship with a student-athlete and was fired. Applewhite, at Texas, had a relationship with a student trainer while on Mack Brown's staff. He got a slap on the wrist. Not to mention he was doing this while his wife was 8 months pregnant. So the piece of shit can stay away from Austin as far as I'm concerned.

I'm numb after 7 years of bad to mediocre football. Ordinarily, I'd love to sit back and watch shit shows like this play out. Makes for interesting theatre and some good comedic value. Except, of course, when it's your school that's the 3-ring circus.
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100% on the Applewhite thing and about how it'd be an awesome soap opera to watch at any school that isn't your own

I just can't believe how much of a shit-show we are that this all happens. I'll love Patterson forever for getting rid of Barnes, but I'm no fan of Oliver Luck and have no idea where we'll turn for the next AD and as you said we have nothing until that happens.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if Gilbert stays in place when Herman comes due to the Applewhite thing
 
twinkie13 said:
"All eggs in Saban basket"

Cmon bro.....cmon

It was a universal slam motherfucking dunk.
If it worked wonders at LSU, there was No, zero, ZERO chance it wouldn't work at Bama.


Texas is different...Different in that it should be BETTER and EASIER to do it at....lol, but they just can't.

Can you imagine Saban at Texas?
As a fan once told me..El Oh El

Or something like that
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Yeah Saban is a slam dunk, but actually hiring him was not. If we had whiffed on him, the window for hiring most other coaches looking to make a move would have been closed. While I know that we had been in contact with Sexton, it wasn't just a matter of the NFL season ending and we had him. We had to do some negotiating. Rather, we had to make enough concessions to get him to agree. When we hired him in 2007, the $4 million per year with no buyout clause was almost unheard of. Obviously hindsight shows that it was a great move for Alabama, but the feeling back then was pretty tempered. We were excited, but the rest of the country and media were all in how it was a desperate move by a forgotten program. Those same media have been writing articles about the dynasty being over for the last 5 seasons too.

Saban would be awesome pretty much anywhere. And the way the man operates, I think he'd be successful at pretty much any job if he put as much into it as he does running a program. He is pretty unique
 
I just can't believe how much of a shit-show we are that this all happens.
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The pressure is on Fenves right now. He has to bring in a capable and qualified AD to deal with this mess, stat. Right now we have a simple placeholder in the AD chair - a necessity based upon the unbridled mess that snake Patterson left. But ill-equipped placeholders have no business trying to sort thru this (current) mess we have. Again, I'm hopeful that the AD thing is getting resolved as we speak.
 
gps_3 said:
Yeah Saban is a slam dunk, but actually hiring him was not. If we had whiffed on him, the window for hiring most other coaches looking to make a move would have been closed. While I know that we had been in contact with Sexton, it wasn't just a matter of the NFL season ending and we had him. We had to do some negotiating. Rather, we had to make enough concessions to get him to agree. When we hired him in 2007, the $4 million per year with no buyout clause was almost unheard of. Obviously hindsight shows that it was a great move for Alabama, but the feeling back then was pretty tempered. We were excited, but the rest of the country and media were all in how it was a desperate move by a forgotten program. Those same media have been writing articles about the dynasty being over for the last 5 seasons too.

Saban would be awesome pretty much anywhere. And the way the man operates, I think he'd be successful at pretty much any job if he put as much into it as he does running a program. He is pretty unique
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I can show you a few places where they didn't write that lol
 
Chip doesn't like the south, don't be surprised when uncle phil opens the checkbook and he does some Lebron type reunite in Eugene for double what he was making there before. They'll all hug it out
 
Almost $19MM to buy Strong out (including assistant coaches buyouts). And to think all CFB coaches owe Tubberville for the evolution of the mind-boggling buyout #s.
 
Twink. Headed to nawlins Thursday and commuting to game Saturday. Any places to hit up?? I haven't been down in almost 20 years
 
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