Should Texas Fire Charlie Strong?

[FONT=&amp]1. Charlie Strong is gone. Neither reason nor courage are required to act now. When I wrote that fear will now do the work of reason, I could have just as easily written that necessity will now do the work of courage. “Optics” no longer exist, there’s no “Texas didn’t give Charlie a fair shake” narrative to advance, steep buyouts no longer matter (analysis: plummeting ticket sales and declining alumni donations with 2017 Strong retention vs cost of 2016 buyout) and administrators don’t have to wring their hands about making big decisions.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]The decision was made on the field in Lawrence, Kansas.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]2. The loss in Lawrence dynamited inertia. Committing six turnovers and losing to a team that hasn’t defeated a FBS opponent since 2014 will do that. The danger of retaining Strong wasn’t a losing season in 2017. It was a 8-4 or 9-3 season in a depleted Big 12 that wins him a grudging 3 year extension, tepid resignation from the fans and a protracted six to eight year ordeal.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]We were done a painful favor.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]3. Multiple sources have told me that he will be fired or have a negotiated resignation by Friday. How or when that’s announced publicly is a different matter, but largely immaterial. He knows. We know. The rest is formality. Mack Brown was fired seven days (on Dec 14th) after his loss to Baylor in 2013, but his actual status was unclear until it happened. Not so here.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]4. Strong was announced as the Longhorn head coach on January 5, 2014. Take a heavy under on a January date for this hire.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]5. December 12th to January 11th is the recruiting dead period. A head coach installed by mid-December can work phones, mail and social media to set himself up for a reasonable run to signing day. Particularly if that coach has some existing familiarity with the state of Texas.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]6. Texas will talk to and pursue Herman. Anyone suggesting otherwise has an agenda or needs a better filter.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]7. An open Texas job gets other coaches raises and contract extensions. Agents will float their guys as candidates and 95% of it will be gamesmanship using gullible media.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]8. But Texas will talk to a few candidates informally. Insurance. A real exhaustive Longhorn coaching search – while theoretically laudable and it could turn up some incredibly interesting options – inspires no confidence given our current structure.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]I have three terrifying words for you: Korn Ferry consultants.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]9. Herman won enough games to land the gig and lost just enough so that he a). can get started right away and b). not completely hold us over the barrel financially. Other schools will pursue him. He wants to coach at Texas.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]10. There are several constituencies to satisfy in a head coaching search. Media, fans, big money donors, the athletic department, UT higher ups, current athletes, recruits etc. Picture Venn Diagrams. Right now, Herman is the only point of agreement overlap for all. It’s not 100%, but he’s in the sweet spot. That means he’s halfway to the finish line while other candidates are lacing up their shoes.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]That could change quickly with real interest from a big name or a contract negotiation gone sour, but reread point #6.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]11. You will be a fed a consistent line of nonsense and speculation in the media over the next few weeks. Stay sane and read IT.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Now, about that new Athletic Director search…

[/FONT]http://insidetexas.com/latest-on-strong-and-the-team/
 
Yes, the possibility of them "boycotting"... I can't laugh hard enough.

Many players were at Strong's presser today. Several of them were crying afterward. They emphatically state how much they love Strong and how much they have his back. Except for 4 hours on way too many Saturdays.

Strong's done, he won't be at Texas next year. Our idiots have bungled this entire debacle.
 
Seems like that angle is suspect at best. Everyone knew that a loss to Kansas would be the end for Strong. And yet the team still figured out a way to sleep walk through the game in Lawrence.

Patterson needs one win to become bowl eligible. He has K-State after Texas. This Friday is the game he has to win.

Cannot run fast enough from TCU / Texas.
 
Let's talk about it......

The race part here showing? If he was white, he gone? Players lining up for him because he is black and the boycott?

Pretty interesting
 
twinkie13 said:
Let's talk about it......

The race part here showing? If he was white, he gone? Players lining up for him because he is black and the boycott?

Pretty interesting
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16-20. Not one winning season. Back to back B12 losing seasons. Losing to Kansas for the first time since 1938.

Race has nothing to do with it
 
I also think race has little to do with the players lining up behind him. Players respect him and they should. Good role model. Good man. He just has no business coaching at Texas. And it may have had something to do with opposition to his hiring (very little there too I suspect but maybe some) but he has been an abject failure on the field. And, perhaps sadly so, that is how he is going to be judged.
 
clowncar said:
I also think race has little to do with the players lining up behind him. Players respect him and they should. Good role model. Good man. He just has no business coaching at Texas. And it may have had something to do with opposition to his hiring (very little there too I suspect but maybe some) but he has been an abject failure on the field. And, perhaps sadly so, that is how he is going to be judged.
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I also think his race has little to do with his hiring.....but maybe the way his firing is being handled....there was a thread(here)that said just because one booster made a comment that there was racialism(lol)......
I do think the handling of the situation has racial undertones.....color me crazy.
And I think it is sad that it is that way.....

Charlie will be just fine....got 10 million reasons to feel that way...
He is a GREAT guy(how many times is this said lol).....it is a biz though. I think he did some really cool shit there and liked some of his style....but still just thought it was a bad fit/decision....
Maybe the same thing happens in BR......
 
And, trust me, they aren't doing Charlie any favors by doing it this way....
Reverse Emabarrasment that he does not deserve IMO
 
I don't think so. Apparently the President there loves him and is trying to make it as smooth as possible. It's the media trying to be the first to report he is fired that is making it embarrassing for him
 
IMO Texas administration should be totally embarrassed about the way they have handled the entire situation. Their indecision has been paralyzing to Strong, the players, alumni and fans. They have in essence allowed Strong to be crucified by the media speculation. Just pathetic for an institution to handle it this way.
 
Alan Tongue said:
I don't think so. Apparently the President there loves him and is trying to make it as smooth as possible. It's the media trying to be the first to report he is fired that is making it embarrassing for him
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I imagine there is a long line of boosters talking to these reporters. Either trying to manipulate the AD and President by putting it out there, or selfishly trying to show how "inside" the program they are
 
I've lived in Austin all my life. It's one of the most liberal cities in the country with one of its most liberal newspapers. If there's any (or sometimes no) inkling of racial undertone to something, boosters, alums or otherwise, it gets raised here. There is none with the Strong situation. The players love him because they view him as a father, and that's it.

The admin is handling this thing in a crappy way because no one is in charge.
- The President (Greg Fenves) is new and had no athletics background. He came in to handle the academics side of things, that's it.
- Right at the beginning of the President's tenure, he had to fire a snake sitting in the AD's chair (Steve Patterson).
- As a placeholder for the AD, they put a lawyer / influential alum in his seat (Mike Perrin). Perrin has no AD background and has basically done nothing in the position.
- Yes, the President and AD don't want Strong going anywhere. They love the guy plus neither of them wants or is equipped to go find a new coach.
- The above hand got forced when you lose to Kansas. All bets are off when you lose to Kansas. The big boosters were already making noise. It amped up more Saturday night.

Now we have a mess, because of 2 issues. We have a coach who's done a poor job. More importantly, we should have went been going after a real AD months back who would be handling and addressing this mess. Right now, no one is stepping forward to handle it. As a result, we're a laughing stock.
 
twinkie13 said:
I also think his race has little to do with his hiring.....but maybe the way his firing is being handled....there was a thread(here)that said just because one booster made a comment that there was racialism(lol)......
I do think the handling of the situation has racial undertones.....color me crazy.
And I think it is sad that it is that way.....

Charlie will be just fine....got 10 million reasons to feel that way...
He is a GREAT guy(how many times is this said lol).....it is a biz though. I think he did some really cool shit there and liked some of his style....but still just thought it was a bad fit/decision....
Maybe the same thing happens in BR......
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i do think when this thread was started and you mentioned that he should get shit canned before his 3rd year even started that race had something to do with not everyone being on board with shit canning him already. the perception of race, at least. this is texas and it should be handled with care, or shit could get outta hand--optics wise.

but after losing to kansas and being this bad this year, it ain't got shit to do with it.
 
Frank Costanza said:
I've lived in Austin all my life. It's one of the most liberal cities in the country with one of its most liberal newspapers. If there's any (or sometimes no) inkling of racial undertone to something, boosters, alums or otherwise, it gets raised here. There is none with the Strong situation. The players love him because they view him as a father, and that's it.

The admin is handling this thing in a crappy way because no one is in charge.
- The President (Greg Fenves) is new and had no athletics background. He came in to handle the academics side of things, that's it.
- Right at the beginning of the President's tenure, he had to fire a snake sitting in the AD's chair (Steve Patterson).
- As a placeholder for the AD, they put a lawyer / influential alum in his seat (Mike Perrin). Perrin has no AD background and has basically done nothing in the position.
- Yes, the President and AD don't want Strong going anywhere. They love the guy plus neither of them wants or is equipped to go find a new coach.
- The above hand got forced when you lose to Kansas. All bets are off when you lose to Kansas. The big boosters were already making noise. It amped up more Saturday night.

Now we have a mess, because of 2 issues. We have a coach who's done a poor job. More importantly, we should have went been going after a real AD months back who would be handling and addressing this mess. Right now, no one is stepping forward to handle it. As a result, we're a laughing stock.
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Perhaps they are fine with a participation trophy.
The Statesman is a rag, but they all are now.
 
so you are telling me if this fucker doesnt lose to Kansas...

LSU gets Tom Herman....wow

that is a laughing stock
 
what if charlie is the black les miles:

beats a down tcu team, players carry him off the field, the cluster fuck that is tejas can't seem to figure out how to fire the guy after the media blowing this spot up and decides to give him one more year.
 
Frank Costanza said:
I've lived in Austin all my life. It's one of the most liberal cities in the country with one of its most liberal newspapers. If there's any (or sometimes no) inkling of racial undertone to something, boosters, alums or otherwise, it gets raised here. There is none with the Strong situation. The players love him because they view him as a father, and that's it.

The admin is handling this thing in a crappy way because no one is in charge.
- The President (Greg Fenves) is new and had no athletics background. He came in to handle the academics side of things, that's it.
- Right at the beginning of the President's tenure, he had to fire a snake sitting in the AD's chair (Steve Patterson).
- As a placeholder for the AD, they put a lawyer / influential alum in his seat (Mike Perrin). Perrin has no AD background and has basically done nothing in the position.
- Yes, the President and AD don't want Strong going anywhere. They love the guy plus neither of them wants or is equipped to go find a new coach.
- The above hand got forced when you lose to Kansas. All bets are off when you lose to Kansas. The big boosters were already making noise. It amped up more Saturday night.

Now we have a mess, because of 2 issues. We have a coach who's done a poor job. More importantly, we should have went been going after a real AD months back who would be handling and addressing this mess. Right now, no one is stepping forward to handle it. As a result, we're a laughing stock.
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Frank I think what shocked me the most was reading this out of the Yahoo article...

"[FONT=&quot]It has just seven recruits committed, an impossibly low number for such a desirable institution in a state surrounded by football stars who grew up dreaming of the place. (Even lesser schools already have commitments in the high teens, low 20s). The Longhorns could beat the Horned Frogs 222-0 on Friday and it wouldn’t change a thing"

[/FONT]How could recruiting at Texas be in this bad of shape?
 
clowncar said:
I also think race has little to do with the players lining up behind him. Players respect him and they should. Good role model. Good man. He just has no business coaching at Texas. And it may have had something to do with opposition to his hiring (very little there too I suspect but maybe some) but he has been an abject failure on the field. And, perhaps sadly so, that is how he is going to be judged.
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When Hoke got fired here almost two years ago the players had similar reactions...
 
Elbutre88 said:
what if charlie is the black les miles:

beats a down tcu team, players carry him off the field, the cluster fuck that is tejas can't seem to figure out how to fire the guy after the media blowing this spot up and decides to give him one more year.
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yo

jimbo got cold feet.....may not be the case this time around
 
Timh said:
Frank I think what shocked me the most was reading this out of the Yahoo article...

"[FONT=&amp]It has just seven recruits committed, an impossibly low number for such a desirable institution in a state surrounded by football stars who grew up dreaming of the place. (Even lesser schools already have commitments in the high teens, low 20s). The Longhorns could beat the Horned Frogs 222-0 on Friday and it wouldn’t change a thing"

[/FONT]How could recruiting at Texas be in this bad of shape?
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well

they rally late.....i learned this too.......but this year looks bad
 
Timh said:
Frank I think what shocked me the most was reading this out of the Yahoo article...

"[FONT=&amp]It has just seven recruits committed, an impossibly low number for such a desirable institution in a state surrounded by football stars who grew up dreaming of the place. (Even lesser schools already have commitments in the high teens, low 20s). The Longhorns could beat the Horned Frogs 222-0 on Friday and it wouldn’t change a thing"

[/FONT]How could recruiting at Texas be in this bad of shape?
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Can you send me a link to that article? Thanks.
 
Three really bad things happened to Charlie Strong this week, each worse than the last. First, Tom Herman’s Houston Cougars, a 14-point underdog, pounded Louisville in primetime Thursday night. The next day, five-star linebacker Baron Browning, an in-state player once seen as a Longhorns lean, released a top-six that didn’t include Texas. And then the final kick in the butt that’ll send Strong out as the most unsuccessful coach in school history: Texas lost to Kansas, 24-21, in overtime.
Strong's job security has been one of the most compelling see-saw stories of the year. He fixed the offense only to watch the defense fall apart. A feel-good win over Notre Dame was followed by an embarrassing loss to Cal. Strong looked like a dead man walking after a 3-4 start to the season before beating an undefeated Baylor squad.
But just as Strong's vital signs began to strengthen down the season's homestretch, Kansas pulled the plug on his life support all together. This one you can't defend.
The win for Kansas was its first FBS victory in two years. It was also the first time Kansas had beaten Texas since 1938. Those kinds of streaks aren't the ones a coach on the hot seat needs to be breaking.
As the final week of the season approaches, Strong is looking for a win over TCU to match the six wins in his first season on the job. With a five-win season in Year 2, that's not the kind of progress the big-money Longhorns expect when visions of Vince Young are still fresh.
In three seasons with one regular season game left, Strong with 16 wins and 20 losses has clinched the worst win-loss percentage in school history.
And now Tom Herman awaits. Three-and-0 against Top 10 opponents and 22-3 as a head coach at Houston. Everyone that watched Texas' overtime loss to Kansas was probably paying attention on Thursday night when Herman's Cougars ended Louisville's playoff hopes and those same folks were watching when Houston dropped Oklahoma in Week 1.
It's hard not to envision what a wunderkind like Herman could do with the keys to the castle in Austin. Nick Saban and Urban Meyer are rare. They don't come around often. Groomed by Meyer, can Herman be a coach in the mold? If Texas passes on him and someone else pounces, any success he finds — perhaps at a Baylor, LSU or even Texas A&M — would haunt Austin for years to follow. My colleague Travis Haney broke down the stakes a few days ago.
Recruiting has stagnated at Texas. It was on hold last fall too until Strong closed with conviction in the final month. Things would (likely) turn quickly again if Strong stays, but what does that mean? Currently ranked No. 60, Strong could maybe dig Texas into the Top 25 class or even higher by National Signing Day but there's no ceiling to what a sharp new coach could do over the final two months of the cycle.
In the 247Sports Crystal Ball, Texas is trending towards landing only two Top 15 recruits in the state of Texas while rival Oklahoma is working on a Top 5 class nationally. Three of the four five-star players in the state are predicted to sign elsewhere (Texas has 50 percent of the picks for the No. 1 player per the 247Sports Composite, defensive tackle Marvin Wilson). The Longhorns won't get Browning, they've never had a chance with dynamite five-star safety Jeffrey Okudah and they've slipped from being a near-lock for stud tackle Walker Little to being underdogs in the recruitment. All four of those players could end up heading out of state. Nos. 5, 6, 8 and 10 in Texas are already committed to out-of-state programs. That shouldn't happen at Texas, and for a coach who makes his bones in recruiting, the current tea leaves and the status of the Longhorns' class give those making a decision no incentive to keep Strong aboard to hold onto a top recruiting class.
Meanwhile, the guy down the road at Houston — who sources say considers Texas his dream job — just last season signed the highest-rated class for any Group of Five school in history.
 
that's the problem with starting late and having a hell of a finish. if you start losing and the rumors are you're gonna get fired---you ain't flipping the kids you planned on flipping.
 
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Timh said:
Frank I had posted it above in the thread here it is again....http://sports.yahoo.com/news/not-ye...g-texas-could-have-done-to-him-162956655.html
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<style type="text/css">p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px 'Times New Roman'; -webkit-text-stroke: #000000}span.s1 {font-kerning: none}</style>Sorry, thanks. I’ll be the first to admit I don’t follow recruiting real early in the cycle and tend to look at it more as we get closer to signing day. But it speaks volume, even w/ a late(r) closer like Strong.
 
Seems like a poor idea for an AD to tell potential hires who they can and can't hire
 
gps_3 said:
Seems like a poor idea for an AD to tell potential hires who they can and can't hire
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If true......but if it is, I agree with him however.....I hate Alleva, but retaining Aranda in some way is smart.....I like Hermans guy too tho
 
twinkie13 said:
If true......but if it is, I agree with him however.....I hate Alleva, but retaining Aranda in some way is smart.....I like Hermans guy too tho
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Keeping him is one thing, but turning away coaches to keep an assistant is lunacy to me. Coordinators are short term hires
 
I don't believe that for one bit. You got to be a moron to turn down jimbo to keep a D coordinator who could leave within a year himself.
 
HUNT said:
I don't believe that for one bit. You got to be a moron to turn down jimbo to keep a D coordinator who could leave within a year himself.
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Yeah I don't buy it either. No administration is that dumb. Sounds like something fans would say. There were guys on message boards in 2007 that Saban should be forced to keep Joe Kines on staff. Although Kines does have a role as an off the field analyst
 
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