Should Texas Fire Charlie Strong?
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twinkie13
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Yep.....it's definitely a real possibility...like 50-50 at this point
twinkie13
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Just the rumor.....it's a weird deal right now.
LSU has such a hard on for Jimbo I never expected the Herman shit to be out there like this.....but it could easily be Herman guys bidding UT up....easily
twinkie13
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UT is obv the bigger gig, but the drop ain't THAT far off...
Bout to get real
I fear LSU is maybe playing with fire
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
At least the players kept their word. They said they would boycott the game today. And they did.
Herman should run, fast, from our fucking dumpster fire.
Herman should run, fast, from our fucking dumpster fire.
Alan Tongue
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Players played harder on twitter than on the field
twinkie13
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Supposedly meeting with y'all on Saturday.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
RetroVK
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twinkie13
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Well, now I am hoping for a Herman flop. I'd love to see what kinda money he got out of them(doesn't matter, but still).
Could TX miss twice? Were they really gonna keep strong had he beat TCU?
I think TX made a good hire, but I can't lie.....id like to see it not be a home run hehehe
Could TX miss twice? Were they really gonna keep strong had he beat TCU?
I think TX made a good hire, but I can't lie.....id like to see it not be a home run hehehe
RetroVK
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Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
Honestly, I don't know what to be excited about anymore after7 years of crap and mediocrity. If Herman can get us to tackle, block and execute, and also how to handle a coin flip, I'll be happy I suppose.
RetroVK
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ironically, I am cheering for Coach O to succeed. I just like him.
At least the Herman hire will be loved by a vast majority of the fanbase, the alumni, the boosters, the players and the administration. It should be a much easier obstacle course to run through for Herman than it was for Strong.
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
Lulz. Much needed.
:rofl:
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signalcaller
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Herman, if he can get Aranda to come with him who was his college roommate would be an absolute home run hire.. Aranda is a star and the best DC in the country
Thieves aren't welcome here, son. GTFO and don't let the door hit you on the way.
twinkie13
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Ain't happening
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
So , here's the thing Ags like to discuss.
Kyle Allen leaves, sits out a year to play for Herman.
Herman , he gone.
Allen gonna play at UH?
If he's graduated, he can transfer and play. If he hasn't , he would have to waste another year to play for Herman.
Kyle Allen leaves, sits out a year to play for Herman.
Herman , he gone.
Allen gonna play at UH?
If he's graduated, he can transfer and play. If he hasn't , he would have to waste another year to play for Herman.
Elbutre88
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twinkie13
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this100%?
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
Yeah, it was Kansas, no doubt.
Beat Kansas and play at least competitively against TCU and Strong's back for year 4. But the way the team laid down in those 2 games tells me that the supposed love and adoration they had for Strong was just a facade.
Beat Kansas and play at least competitively against TCU and Strong's back for year 4. But the way the team laid down in those 2 games tells me that the supposed love and adoration they had for Strong was just a facade.
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Events on and off the field on Thanksgiving night turned the tide in LSU’s coaching search and, ultimately, resulted in university leaders choosing to promote interim coach Ed Orgeron instead of negotiating with Houston coach Tom Herman.
LSU decision-makers used Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher’s talked-about candidacy as a ruse to quietly negotiate with Herman and stay ahead of the University of Texas in the chase for the 41-year-old hotshot, but the potential deal fizzled after reports on Thursday night exposed a plan the Tigers had kept shrouded for days.
Meanwhile, leaders admit that Orgeron was coaching for his job in the season finale against Texas A&M, and the result – a 54-39 drubbing at Kyle Field just five days after a home loss to Florida – pushed his candidacy to another level. LSU officials saw what one person called “powerful” locker room videos of players chanting Orgeron’s name, and they received messages from those who witnessed the emotional scene – more signs of the 55-year-old Cajun coach’s culture-changing ways that athletic director Joe Alleva spoke of Saturday.
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“It turned the tide,” one source said of the Thanksgiving night events.
Several athletic department leaders and decision-makers spoke to The Advocate on a condition of anonymity regarding the search.
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[h=3]Scott Rabalais: LSU's Joe Alleva knows it -- his job, legacy on the line with Ed Orgeron hire[/h]
Ed Orgeron got the job he said he always wanted Saturday, being named LSU’s long-term head coach.
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They specifically spoke about the furious final five days, a wild run that ended with the announcement Saturday of Orgeron’s promotion to the top job. So much happened before that celebratory news conference.
For one, a potential deal with Herman collapsed, in part because of the reports that surfaced Thursday night from HornsDigest.com strongly linking Herman to the LSU job. Leaders blamed Herman’s camp for leaking the information.
Angry and frustrated decision-makers, namely Alleva, bullishly ended discussions with Herman and his agent in the wee hours of Saturday morning, refusing to be part of a bidding war with “wealthy and desperate” Texas for a guy whose camp leveraged LSU’s interest into an eventual job with the Longhorns.
“That was all orchestrated by someone, and you can figure that out,” Alleva said Saturday, a not-so-subtle shot at Herman and his agent Trace Armstrong, who most recently began representing former LSU coach Les Miles.
Herman was named Texas’ head coach at 4 p.m. Saturday.
The search didn’t get serious until Saturday night, when leaders met after LSU's loss to Florida.
They narrowed a list of “10-12” vetted coaches to just two candidates: Herman and Orgeron. Missing from that duo is the school’s third finalist, Fisher, reported by many, including The Advocate, to be LSU’s top choice.
Discussions with Fisher’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, unfolded early during the search process, well before the true hunt for Les Miles’ replacement took place this week. LSU officials deny what many have reported – that Fisher turned down an offer. However, they admit that a deal for the coach would have cost more than $50 million in guaranteed money.
LSU officials believed that, if needed, they could have circled back to Fisher, though they knew the lofty asking price. All other vetted coaches were well behind their top three. Just beneath Orgeron, Fisher and Herman were North Carolina coach Larry Fedora, Colorado coach Mike MacIntyre and Western Michigan coach P.J. Fleck.
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[h=3]Pete Jenkins staying as LSU’s defensive line coach; offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger to move into different role[/h]
LSU defensive line coach Pete Jenkins will remain on Ed Orgeron’s staff in the same capacity…
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Leaders were prepared to name Orgeron the head coach if he were to have beaten Florida and A&M, a result that would have sent the Tigers to the Sugar Bowl. But the 16-10 loss to the Gators didn’t remove him from the picture.
In fact, Alleva phoned Orgeron on the Sunday after that defeat, when the Tigers were stopped short on fourth-and-goal from the 1-yard line.
“The phone calls I got from him on Sunday mornings after the loss (were), ‘Keep going, keep going, keep going,’” Orgeron said Saturday. “It gave me the motivation to lead this team. I want to thank him.”
Orgeron “blew away” decision-makers during an interview Friday, when he arrived equipped with two thick binders detailing his long-term plan for the program. He left that meeting feeling as if he would finish second to Herman.
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Starting last Sunday, all eyes shifted to Herman, a man who fit the mold in which leaders were after – a young, up-and-coming offensive-minded coach. While multiple reports about Fisher’s candidacy broke Wednesday night, decision-makers were focused on Herman.
“The media was barking up the wrong tree,” one source said.
“All a smokescreen,” said another.
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[h=3]LSU won't let Dave Aranda get away; source: school sweetening pot in deal that could soon be final[/h]
Shortly after having the interim tag removed from his title Saturday, LSU football coach Ed …
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LSU and Herman had “intense talks” over the days leading up to LSU’s game against Texas A&M. He appeared to be “extremely interested” in LSU, and Herman shot down any suggestions that he wanted to coach at Texas. At about 5 a.m. on Saturday morning, Herman or his agent told LSU leaders that he was leaning toward the Longhorns and that he’d begin discussions with the school.
Alleva and other decision-makers, set to meet with Herman for the first time Saturday in Texas, ended the negotiations. Alleva called Orgeron, and the coach sped from his Mandeville home to Baton Rouge.
The athletic director told Orgeron he’d gotten the job during a meeting in the coach’s office. Orgeron’s reaction: He picked Alleva up off of his feet.
"I tell you, before I went to bed last night, Kelly said, 'You're going to be the head coach at LSU tomorrow,'" Orgeron said. "I said, ‘Have you been reading the paper.'"
LSU decision-makers used Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher’s talked-about candidacy as a ruse to quietly negotiate with Herman and stay ahead of the University of Texas in the chase for the 41-year-old hotshot, but the potential deal fizzled after reports on Thursday night exposed a plan the Tigers had kept shrouded for days.
Meanwhile, leaders admit that Orgeron was coaching for his job in the season finale against Texas A&M, and the result – a 54-39 drubbing at Kyle Field just five days after a home loss to Florida – pushed his candidacy to another level. LSU officials saw what one person called “powerful” locker room videos of players chanting Orgeron’s name, and they received messages from those who witnessed the emotional scene – more signs of the 55-year-old Cajun coach’s culture-changing ways that athletic director Joe Alleva spoke of Saturday.
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“It turned the tide,” one source said of the Thanksgiving night events.
Several athletic department leaders and decision-makers spoke to The Advocate on a condition of anonymity regarding the search.
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[h=3]Scott Rabalais: LSU's Joe Alleva knows it -- his job, legacy on the line with Ed Orgeron hire[/h]
Ed Orgeron got the job he said he always wanted Saturday, being named LSU’s long-term head coach.
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They specifically spoke about the furious final five days, a wild run that ended with the announcement Saturday of Orgeron’s promotion to the top job. So much happened before that celebratory news conference.
For one, a potential deal with Herman collapsed, in part because of the reports that surfaced Thursday night from HornsDigest.com strongly linking Herman to the LSU job. Leaders blamed Herman’s camp for leaking the information.
Angry and frustrated decision-makers, namely Alleva, bullishly ended discussions with Herman and his agent in the wee hours of Saturday morning, refusing to be part of a bidding war with “wealthy and desperate” Texas for a guy whose camp leveraged LSU’s interest into an eventual job with the Longhorns.
“That was all orchestrated by someone, and you can figure that out,” Alleva said Saturday, a not-so-subtle shot at Herman and his agent Trace Armstrong, who most recently began representing former LSU coach Les Miles.
Herman was named Texas’ head coach at 4 p.m. Saturday.
The search didn’t get serious until Saturday night, when leaders met after LSU's loss to Florida.
They narrowed a list of “10-12” vetted coaches to just two candidates: Herman and Orgeron. Missing from that duo is the school’s third finalist, Fisher, reported by many, including The Advocate, to be LSU’s top choice.
Discussions with Fisher’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, unfolded early during the search process, well before the true hunt for Les Miles’ replacement took place this week. LSU officials deny what many have reported – that Fisher turned down an offer. However, they admit that a deal for the coach would have cost more than $50 million in guaranteed money.
LSU officials believed that, if needed, they could have circled back to Fisher, though they knew the lofty asking price. All other vetted coaches were well behind their top three. Just beneath Orgeron, Fisher and Herman were North Carolina coach Larry Fedora, Colorado coach Mike MacIntyre and Western Michigan coach P.J. Fleck.
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[h=3]Pete Jenkins staying as LSU’s defensive line coach; offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger to move into different role[/h]
LSU defensive line coach Pete Jenkins will remain on Ed Orgeron’s staff in the same capacity…
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Leaders were prepared to name Orgeron the head coach if he were to have beaten Florida and A&M, a result that would have sent the Tigers to the Sugar Bowl. But the 16-10 loss to the Gators didn’t remove him from the picture.
In fact, Alleva phoned Orgeron on the Sunday after that defeat, when the Tigers were stopped short on fourth-and-goal from the 1-yard line.
“The phone calls I got from him on Sunday mornings after the loss (were), ‘Keep going, keep going, keep going,’” Orgeron said Saturday. “It gave me the motivation to lead this team. I want to thank him.”
Orgeron “blew away” decision-makers during an interview Friday, when he arrived equipped with two thick binders detailing his long-term plan for the program. He left that meeting feeling as if he would finish second to Herman.
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Starting last Sunday, all eyes shifted to Herman, a man who fit the mold in which leaders were after – a young, up-and-coming offensive-minded coach. While multiple reports about Fisher’s candidacy broke Wednesday night, decision-makers were focused on Herman.
“The media was barking up the wrong tree,” one source said.
“All a smokescreen,” said another.
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[h=3]LSU won't let Dave Aranda get away; source: school sweetening pot in deal that could soon be final[/h]
Shortly after having the interim tag removed from his title Saturday, LSU football coach Ed …
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LSU and Herman had “intense talks” over the days leading up to LSU’s game against Texas A&M. He appeared to be “extremely interested” in LSU, and Herman shot down any suggestions that he wanted to coach at Texas. At about 5 a.m. on Saturday morning, Herman or his agent told LSU leaders that he was leaning toward the Longhorns and that he’d begin discussions with the school.
Alleva and other decision-makers, set to meet with Herman for the first time Saturday in Texas, ended the negotiations. Alleva called Orgeron, and the coach sped from his Mandeville home to Baton Rouge.
The athletic director told Orgeron he’d gotten the job during a meeting in the coach’s office. Orgeron’s reaction: He picked Alleva up off of his feet.
"I tell you, before I went to bed last night, Kelly said, 'You're going to be the head coach at LSU tomorrow,'" Orgeron said. "I said, ‘Have you been reading the paper.'"
twinkie13
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Alleva is the worst.....I heard a story from someone very very in the know.....Alleva fucked up the Duke scandal sooooo bad that he put a call into Bush #41....COach K said, We gotta get rid of this fucker. Can you make some calls and talk him up to a few places?
41 does K a solid and LSU bit and the rest is history........This guy has to go
41 does K a solid and LSU bit and the rest is history........This guy has to go
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
I honestly don't know when Herman was first contacted vs. when the shit got real. I do know this much: the President at UT wanted Strong back for a 4th year and was willing to allow just about anything to happen for that. But losing to Kansas sunk that ship.
Elbutre88
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it's gonna be almost impossible to find out when texas talked to herman first, because it was donors who reached out first, not anyone from the school.
the deal was pretty much done after the kansas game happened. all of the BMD's were in agreement, and fenves couldn't fight that.
*from the shit i've read at least.
the deal was pretty much done after the kansas game happened. all of the BMD's were in agreement, and fenves couldn't fight that.
*from the shit i've read at least.
Elbutre88
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he's on track to graduate, apparently. would have 2 more years left if he transfers to tejas
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
My thoughts exactly.
Elbutre88
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i'm confused how you think alleva fucked this particular one up? he definitely didn't want to get into a bidding war with texas, so he went with the only option he had left, right?
or would you want him to go get someone else?
i thought the state budget issues kinda handcuffed him as far as that goes?
twinkie13
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no
he reportedly didnt really get going with Herman until last week.....think about that for a second.
Now, maybe he is lying about this too, but Jimbo talks never got off the ground? Really?
O was in place, but then he loses to FLA and you start a coaching search?! Fucking really?!
The budget wasnt gonna matter....only thing with O is geting a budget deal on HC to make the staff highest paid(already were i think) and pay OC and DC massively
it just shows that the HC doesnt have the value
look he may do great....i hope so
LSU looks awful however, here
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
"You struck gold, Tom. I did nothing for the last 4 years here and these saps still paid me $20MM. And I'm still getting paid another $500,000 / year for, you guessed it, doing nothing."
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
The guy's a nightmare. His persecution of the Duke lacrosse coach and players was outrageous, and he screwed up his coaching hires there as well. I have no idea how LSU could have hired such an unprincipled and incompetent man.
Alleva fucked it up by not even conducting a serious search until the last 10 days or so. They always hoped Orgeron would win enough to put a positive spin on his hire. Pathetic stance from the start.
He then fucked it up by only seriously considering two or three names in his "search".
He then fucked it up by walking away once he finally did identify Herman. What's the worst that could happen once Texas entered the picture? He says no and goes to Texas? Not sure how that's worse than walking away and him going to Texas. If that's your guy put up some kind of fight. It isn't like Orgeron had to be announced Saturday. What's the harm in flying to meet with Herman on Saturday as planned? What's the harm in looking into a few others early this week once Herman was off the table, then moving to Orgeron on Wednesday or so?
During this process Alleva got his ass kicked by Tom Herman, Trace Armstrong, Orgeron, a fucking radio host turned Orgeron PR director, and walked away in shame before giving Texas the opportunity to kick his ass.
I've been saying it for months on here, the guy is a disaster. Maybe Orgeron bails his sorry ass out by pulling a Dabo, but there is no reason Alleva should have been employed by LSU beyond Saturday.
The state budget has nothing to do with LSU athletics. The department receives no state funds, no fees from the school, is completely self sufficient, and actually pumps millions of its profits back into the academic side each year. They weren't going to be stupid and pay someone 10 million per year, but otherwise money was not an issue.
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