NBA ML dogs discussion

redbearde

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mrs.redbearde is asleep... :(

I see a lot of you think the Hawks are live tonight. I don't. In any case, I think you need a hell of a lot more than a bit less than 2:1 to give it a try. I've seriously considered laying this chalk.

I see 183, 190, 185, 180, 190.....ick.

Clippers @ Magic. care to roll the dice? +1500 at thegreek...15:1 is probably worthwhile, but it's extremely likely to lose.

76ers @ Detroit. Read BAR. But I think Philly's going to crash down to earth when playing the top teams that don't turn it over. I think this one will go about like the Celtics game did for philly. I see 320, 290, 300, 325...I think this should yield more.

Seattle @ Boston. Seattle still doesn't play defense. Only way they win is if Boston misses wide open shots at home...like they did in Phoenix. I think this is perhaps 1% to 3% likely. So if you can get +4000 at pinny, then GFY. But it's still overwhelmingly likely to lose. I see 2500 (bm), 2600 (thegreek), and 3200 at MB.

Knicks @ Heat - here again are two dogshit teams, but Miami has the value. It really was a tossup, and had miami hit that last shot (damn near did), the Clips would have lost Miami's last home games. the Heat can shoot, and the Clips turned the ball over more, so don't think the Heat were really outplayed back then. As for this game, rod_steel has some great thoughts, but see if you can get +150 later today. I'm planning on it...though I may well just ride with the Cavs.

Cavs @ Nets. I have a chalk ticket. This 170 or 165 business is dog shit. It could win, but it should be more like 2:1 or even more. If you play this, then you you're getting shorted, imo.

Utah @ Milwaukee. I really like this one. Utah hates winning on the road. I don't know why. Milwaukee only likes to win at home. I don't know why. I see 325, 310, 300, and even 280, so this demonstrates why having multiple outlets is good. Not sure I'll play it.'

Spurs @ Hornets. No value. I don't bother with this shit unless I'd play it as chalk, and I would not.

Bobcats @ Mavs - see Clippers. Mavs are fighting for their playoff lives, and they can't afford to lose this one. Really don't think 6:1 is worth it.

Memphis @ Denver - the Grizz are an absolute joke. Brewer's bro JR and the boys are going to put on a SHOW tonight...I don't care how high this one is. No way am I playing memphis on a B2B from phoenix where they gave up 140 to denver where they'll likely do it again.

Toronto @ GSW...I can see this one. But the Warriors are real tough at home....when they have Stephen Jackson. Wouldn't shock me to see the Raptors keep it within the number, but an outright win is a lot to expect. 5:1 might seem valuable to you. Not so much to me.

gun to my head...

I'd take

Cavs chalk - already did
Miami at better than 1.5:1
Milwaukee at better than 3:1
Toronto on the off chance Stejax gets hurt

thoughts, anyone?
 
Red, agree on all, but adding the Hawks. I know it sounds funny to say about a team with 19 wins streak, but as much as I like the team (and I do), they losers that fail to win in Atlanta year after year and today that got a chance to lose the game that can even them with second best winning streak in history.

Best of luck, specially on the Cavs!
 
I hear you. That inability to win in Atlanta is the one thing keeping me from betting the Rockets chalk.

I won't be against you, but I can easily see the rockets winning SU without covering.

:shake:

GL!
 
Still haven't placed the bet. The odds dropped suddenly below 2 to 1 and no way I'm taking the Hawks on lower than that odds.
 
The Bobcats interest me. Their 3 point shooting has been excellent last 6 games. They have not been out rebounded in any of the 6 games (up 33 rebounds) and Dallas has been beating up small children or losing. Most blog fans are very down on their teams. The Bobcat fans actually seem to think they can win today which is unusual. Still thinking on this.So far have Houston in 2 ml parlays and Cleveland bet under. Probably making a token bet on Seattle.
 
I think this bobcats' run is a convergence of luck and weak opposition.

02/19/2008 at San Antonio L 85 - 65 L (11) U (185½)
02/22/2008 vs Sacramento L 116 - 115 W (1½) O (202½)
02/23/2008 at Washington L 110 - 95 L (7½) O (191½)
02/27/2008 at New York L 113 - 89 L (7½) O (197½)
02/29/2008 at Boston L 108 - 100 W (18) O (196)
03/02/2008 vs Toronto W 110 - 98 W (3½) O (200½)
03/04/2008 at Minnesota W 109 - 89 W (6) U (199)
03/05/2008 vs Golden State W 118 - 109 W (5) O (224½)
03/07/2008 vs Atlanta W 108 - 93 W (1) U (204)
03/08/2008 at Washington W 100 - 97 W (5) O (196)

winning 5 in a row is impressive. No argument.

Toronto, no Bosh, and the kitties destroyed them on the boards and in pts of TOs.
Minny...well......they suck...
Warriors, playoff team in the west, but Charlotte matches up well with the scoring and GSW MUST hit a high percentage in order to win. Sometimes they just don't. That WAS in the middle of a 4th in 5, too.

AT Washington is probably their best win for a while......and I watched that one - they shot 80% from 3pt range in the 1st half, and Washington still damn near tied the game. The bobcats got some referee help down the stretch.

...not saying that they won't win tonight - well, okay, yes I am - but I think between Bosh being out, particularly good shooting vs GSW (and a huge night from JRich), and a particularly poor 3pt performance out of the Warriors.....I would hesitate to call those good wins.

Even with the recent wins at the Minny and Washington, they're still only 6 and 22 on the road this season......

GL with it.
 
What is matchbook?

I bet in Pinnaclespors and Betfair mostly.

matchbook is an exchange. it's like a market where bettors offer bets to each other, so you get a real market value at any given time through the day on a given wager. It's what a lot of us americans went to after we couldn't use pinnacle anymore.

www.matchbook.com

I use it for most of my bets.
 
5 days off,

lost to detroit:
11/14/2007 vs Detroit L 111 - 104 L (1½) O (210½)
lost at Utah:
02/19/2008 at Utah L 119 - 109 L (7) O (225)

3 days off:
Beat Seattle...didn't cover as 15.5pt faves.
02/26/2008 vs Seattle W 105 - 99 L (-15½) U (223)

what are the others? I just looked through the schedule, and granted I'm not computer, but I don't see them.
 
loss to detroit was without Stephen Jackson, too...

if SteJax is out, then I definitely like Toronto. Otherwise...I think the Warriors will eat them up.
 
matchbook is an exchange. it's like a market where bettors offer bets to each other, so you get a real market value at any given time through the day on a given wager. It's what a lot of us americans went to after we couldn't use pinnacle anymore.

www.matchbook.com

I use it for most of my bets.

I guess it is the same thing as Betfair, were people are trading bets with other people. Great thing and not those bookies scammers.
 
5 days off,

lost to detroit:
11/14/2007 vs Detroit L 111 - 104 L (1½) O (210½)
lost at Utah:
02/19/2008 at Utah L 119 - 109 L (7) O (225)

3 days off:
Beat Seattle...didn't cover as 15.5pt faves.
02/26/2008 vs Seattle W 105 - 99 L (-15½) U (223)

what are the others? I just looked through the schedule, and granted I'm not computer, but I don't see them.

I am kinda lazy today but

2/7 vs Chi laying -12.5 L 114-108 had last played 2/1 and beat Char by 30+

Wouldnt be suprised if the other was the 1st game...of the season...

Just something I had in the back of my head that GSW was bad off long rest and saw the 0-5 ATS number. GSW has been terrible as favs all season as well at home..think 2-10 L 12 and 7-19 all season...laying points Philly , Char , Memphis , LAC and Milw plus SA twice...then 2-8 ATS laying -9.5 or more and recent SU losses at home ATL +8.5 , Chi +12.5 , Minny +11.5 ..just food for thought ...probably fading GSW here...:shake:
 
okay, well, if you mean ATS, then I completely understand. You know me, tho...I'm all about the win SU - I hate betting points thinking there's no way my team will win it.

1st game of the season, btw, was without Stephen Jackson, and without him, they're garbage. With him, they have one of the best records.

You may be right, and this is the first game home off a road trip where they went 3-1. But none of the teams in the west can afford to come in for a night off. If Toronto is ahead at half, then I'll play GSW at halftime. That's been quite the trend for the Warriors....slow start with a surge in the 2H. ...especially at home.
 
mrs.redbearde has the heat winning by 4. redcon will be on a Miami play tonight.

It keeps rising, too...I'm seeing some 3.5s, and pinny has -3 at -110. So I'm sitting tight for a while. Might play it right before gametime.
 
Good luck to Redcon tonight, glad to see I'm not against the coorporation on anything.

Cavs are going to slaughter NJ for us, so we dont have to worry about sweating this game.
 
okay, well, if you mean ATS, then I completely understand. You know me, tho...I'm all about the win SU - I hate betting points thinking there's no way my team will win it.

1st game of the season, btw, was without Stephen Jackson, and without him, they're garbage. With him, they have one of the best records.

You may be right, and this is the first game home off a road trip where they went 3-1. But none of the teams in the west can afford to come in for a night off. If Toronto is ahead at half, then I'll play GSW at halftime. That's been quite the trend for the Warriors....slow start with a surge in the 2H. ...especially at home.

I meant it as one to look at. Personally I feel that getting Tor +400ish is a ton of value when we see GSW losing at home to Minny , Chi and ATL recently. Looking at the big picture the minor hiccups they faced on longer rest and after SU wins as dogs I think the chances are much better then 4 to 1 they lose SU here. Obviously I know your criteria is tight but for me +10 looks real juicy. Would give Tor the edge having played last evening and fairly well in that game.

Clearly agree about SJax and believe I brought that up before the road trip and w/o researching whether he played or not to lose to those teams at home very unimpressive IMO .

BOL:cheers:
 
This is unpopular around these parts, but I gotta do what redcon thinks...

Rockets -4 (-111) at MB.

mrs.redbearde has em by at least 7, and I really think this is a solid spot...Rockets have too much chemistry right now, Bibby can't guard anyone with that busted heel (especially a quick little fuck like skip to my lou), Battier has shot lights out from 3, and T-Mac has been great.

Either all you guys are right and the Hawks win tonight because Houston hasn't won in Atlanta since the time of Noah, or the Rockets break that trend like a lot of others have busted this year.

we shall see.
 
Thanks Marlo.

mrs.redbearde has the Cavs by 8.

I love it when she and I agree on the games...

......redcon...
 
I meant it as one to look at. Personally I feel that getting Tor +400ish is a ton of value when we see GSW losing at home to Minny , Chi and ATL recently. Looking at the big picture the minor hiccups they faced on longer rest and after SU wins as dogs I think the chances are much better then 4 to 1 they lose SU here. Obviously I know your criteria is tight but for me +10 looks real juicy. Would give Tor the edge having played last evening and fairly well in that game.

Clearly agree about SJax and believe I brought that up before the road trip and w/o researching whether he played or not to lose to those teams at home very unimpressive IMO .

BOL:cheers:

Toronto's actually over 5:1 now at matchbook, and I'm getting wood......
 
well tonight sucked.

1-3 down 2.2 units.

:(

Thursday I'll be looking for

Blazers ML
Warriors ML

...especially Warriors ML. Blazers will depend on value.
 
Intersting you think Warriors and Blazers are worth something tomorrow night. As primarily a dog player I don't see it. That doesn't mean I'm right I just simply am terrified betting on these two teams on the road. However, those lines are really short for a reason so you could be on to something. My mind tells me the Wizards are the dog of the night if they're underdog!! I'm sure it's a team no one will want at home vs. Cleveland.
 
especially off a loss.

but Caron's coming back, so I doubt we'll get as juicy a line as we otherwise might.
 
It's certainly a tough call on either team but if Wash some how gets a field goal I think you have to really think about it.

The Spurs will be getting change and pts. Friday night at Detroit. Perhaps no one wants them after hitting the skids this past week. They likely show up in a big way for that game. Spurs plus pts. in a game which no one wants them is almost always a bet for me.
 
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