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BetCrimes1984

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<TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#003366><TD width=225>Monday, August 04, 2008</TD><!-- <td width=80 bgcolor=#FFFFFF>GamePeriod<td> <td width=80 align=center>1stPeriod</td> <td width=80 align=center>2ndPeriod</td> <td width=80 align=center>3rdPeriod</td> <td width=55> </td> </tr>--><TR bgColor=#666666><TD align=middle colSpan=8>Line Changes made within the last 15 Minutes will have a Grey background.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>6:10 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>951</TD><TD width=160>Milwaukee Brewers </TD><TD width=130>M Parra -L</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½ </TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+140</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>9½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+100</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-120</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>952 </TD><TD width=160>Cincinnati Reds </TD><TD width=130>B Arroyo -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-160</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-120</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+100</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>6:05 pm (ESPN) (TM CH) </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>953</TD><TD width=160>Houston Astros </TD><TD width=130>B Moehler -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-125</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+170</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>954 </TD><TD width=160>Chicago Cubs </TD><TD width=130>R Dempster -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+105</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-200</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>8:05 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>955</TD><TD width=160>Washington Nationals </TD><TD width=130>T Redding -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-105</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+180</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>956 </TD><TD width=160>Colorado Rockies </TD><TD width=130>A Cook -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-115</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>9½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-220</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>8:40 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>957</TD><TD width=160>Pittsburgh Pirates </TD><TD width=130>Y Herrera -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+110</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+240</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>958 </TD><TD width=160>Arizona Diamondbacks </TD><TD width=130>D Haren -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-130</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>8½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-280</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>9:15 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>959</TD><TD width=160>Atlanta Braves </TD><TD width=130>J Jurrjens -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-220</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+100</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>960 </TD><TD width=160>San Francisco Giants </TD><TD width=130>M Cain -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+180</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>7</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-120</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>5:05 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>961</TD><TD width=160>Oakland Athletics </TD><TD width=130>G Smith -L</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-125</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+100</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+170</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>962 </TD><TD width=160>Toronto Blue Jays </TD><TD width=130>R Halladay -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+105</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>7½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-120</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-200</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>6:10 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>963</TD><TD width=160>Cleveland Indians </TD><TD width=130>C Lee -L</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-200</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-105</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+110</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>964 </TD><TD width=160>Tampa Bay Rays </TD><TD width=130>M Garza -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+170</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>7½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-115</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-130</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>7:05 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>965</TD><TD width=160>New York Yankees </TD><TD width=130>J Chamberlain -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½ </TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+100</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>10</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-105</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-160</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>966 </TD><TD width=160>Texas Rangers </TD><TD width=130>V Padilla -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-120</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-115</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+140</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>7:10 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>967</TD><TD width=160>Boston Red Sox </TD><TD width=130>C Buchholz -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½ </TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+145</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>9</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-120</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-110</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>968 </TD><TD width=160>Kansas City Royals </TD><TD width=130>G Meche -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-165</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+100</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-110</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>9:05 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>969</TD><TD width=160>Baltimore Orioles </TD><TD width=130>D Sarfate -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-115</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+175</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>970 </TD><TD width=160>Los Angeles Angels </TD><TD width=130>J Saunders -L</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-105</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>9</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-210</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#363636><TD width=215 colSpan=2>9:10 pm </TD><TD width=130>Pitchers</TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>RunLine </TD><TD width=80 colSpan=2>Total </TD><TD width=80>MoneyLn </TD><TD width=40></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellSpacing=0 width=625 border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>971</TD><TD width=160>Minnesota Twins </TD><TD width=130>G Perkins -L</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-1½ </TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+130</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>9</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>+100</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>-130</TD><TD width=40></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#000000><TD align=middle width=55>972 </TD><TD width=160>Seattle Mariners </TD><TD width=130>M Batista -R</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-150</TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000></TD><TD width=40 bgColor=#000000>-120</TD><TD width=80 bgColor=#000000>+110</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE borderColor=#cccccc cellSpacing=1 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans bgColor=#ffdccb colSpan=3>American League </TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans bgColor=#ffdccb>Time</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans bgColor=#ffdccb>Game</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans bgColor=#ffdccb>Starters</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>6:07 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Oakland at Toronto
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>G Smith
R Halladay
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>7:10 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Cleveland at Tampa Bay
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>C Lee
M Garza
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>8:05 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>NY Yankees at Texas
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>J Chamberlain
V Padilla
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>8:10 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Boston at Kansas City
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>C Buchholz
G Meche
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>10:05 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Baltimore at LA Angels
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>D Sarfate
J Saunders
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>10:10 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Minnesota at Seattle
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>G Perkins
M Batista
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans bgColor=#ffdccb colSpan=3>National League </TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans bgColor=#ffdccb>Time</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans bgColor=#ffdccb>Game</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans bgColor=#ffdccb>Starters</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>7:05 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Houston at Chi. Cubs
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>B Moehler
R Dempster
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>7:10 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Milwaukee at Cincinnati
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>M Parra
B Arroyo
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>9:05 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Washington at Colorado
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>T Redding
A Cook
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>9:40 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Pittsburgh at Arizona
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Y Herrera
D Haren
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans>10:15 PM ET </TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>Atlanta at San Francisco
Umpire: N/A
</TD><TD class=small-copy-sans>J Jurrjens
M Cain
Bullpen Availability
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
Another study in extremes, Baltimore's last 34 games of basically all-or-nothing offense -

11, 2, 9, 2, 5, 7, 5, 7, 10, 3, 10, 6, 8, 5, 7, 1, 1, 5, 7, 11, 1, 8, 8, 1, 1, 5, 6, 5, 13, 7, 3, 10, 3 & 4 run totals.

_7 totals of 0-2 runs.
_4 totals of 3-4 runs.
23 totals of 5+ runs.

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Baltimore has gone 58 games without posting consecutive Under results. They are 38-16-4 to Over during this period, and are 14-0-2 to Over off their last 16 Under results.
 
Read recently that LAA is 14-0-3 in the past 17 series vs the AL. Balt playing well enough to give them a headache I believe. Interesting series but dont know the matchups yet . Sarfate had real sound stuff.
 
Ooops. Sarfate , Cormier , Olson vs Saunders , Garland and Ervin Santana. The price should be -325 to -350 for the series might be worth a flier being its a sandwich series of NYY.
 
I gotta think, after scoring 2, 2, 2 & 3 run totals against the Dodgers, that AZ back on home turf are going to wallop the fuck out of Herrera. They've had good offensive showings their last few home series.
 
If I didn't have a personal rule about NEVER betting anything above -200, I would be all over Arizona tomorrow. Pittsburgh is really going to miss Nady and Bay the rest of the year. I'm looking at the -1.5 here, but am not convinced I want to lay -130 and the run+.

That being said, I don't think Pittsburgh has a chance in hell of winning this one.
 
And I'm already down for 1.5 times the normal bet in Arlington tomorrow.

OVER 9.5 -115.......
 
What do you guys think of taking Cle (Lee) 1st 5 Innings tomorrow? Cle is presently +115 ML right now at my book. Probably be similiar line for 1st 5 tomorrow?? With all the heavy favs on the board this is the one dog that stands out a bit for me only because of Lee, his 14-2 record, and how he dominated TB last month. With that said Garza is coming off a nice outing at Tor and coming back home where he pitches much better. This may turn out to be a 1-0 or 2-1 game. Under 1st 5 Innings looks good too. I'm anxious to see what umpire they will have.
 
Texas isnt hitting and if Joba is on they might not sniff much of anything . Laird wont hit Joba like he did the LH IMO. A great 7 hit effort that was timely and produced 8 runs. Just look at Burnett's start . Yanks still have to show me consistency and alot of LAA errors aided our win today( think last 10 runs unearned) . Not saying I dont like it but the best SP matchup of the series hands down...Yanks just have some struggling bats in Melky and Giambi but hey 9.5 @ Arlington is hard to do...

Pettitte v Harrison
Ponson v Hunter
Moose v Feldman

On another note Bay and nady's absence does loom quite large but I actually like makeup of Pitt's team what really hurts is LaRoche to the DL . They still have a decent lineup when healthy and LaRoche at 3rd base could blossom. Sanchez -Wilson- McLouth-Doumit - LaRoche - Moss- LaRoche/ Castillo -Michaels or Mientky could be solid ...love there pen compared to pretrade ...the NL just got alot weaker at the deadline.....
 
Really like Cle with Lee tmrw but would play the game ML . TB pen has to be weak after the past 2 games and Percival is not automatic. Lee should go 7 innings at worst . TB didnt deserve to win today ...
 
the chalk is crazy tomorrow. 5 different games of -200 or more.

sox vs. royals is very intriguing. meche has been nasty the past 6 weeks:

last 10 starts: 6-1 with 8 quality starts.

his career numbers vs the sox are solid a well.... 6 starts, 4-2, 3.69 era 1.17 whip

and then the fact that the line is a PK means vegas wants the public to pound the sox

the problem is it doesn't seem like the time to be fading the sox.
 
Last comments : AL thoughts -

Oakland is really in a shit spot having to face Halladay now after getting swept in consecutive series. Real tempted to look @ Oakland though as Tor played at Night in Texas and has to fly all the way back. That has to be killer especially since its a 6:07 Tor start time not sure what type of time difference there is from Texas to Tor . Jays have had struggles vs LHSP and Smith owns 2 solid starts vs them so far . Halladay outdueled Harden 2-1 @ Oak already . Jays only 5-4 at home when Roy starts. Frank Thomas probably itching to do something. Smith gets no runs support as 8 of 10 he saw 3 runs or less and Hallday isnt far off. Jays not hitting much and only 234 vs LHSP. Tough to lay such a price when your struggluing offensively ......

Cliff Lee is very atractive as I expected about the open (-115/-120) . However TB has some payback after the 4 game sweep but CLE owns them winning 18 of the past 20 but now TB is good enough to do something about it. Low scoring ?? So like CLE but have to look at it further .....Und might be better at least 1st 5 innings

At 10 I think I prefer the UND @ Texas. The Heat is a concern since Joba is a big boy and well so is Padilla . However best SP of the series and Rangers nt doing much on offense lately see Burnett's start . Kinda suprised Yanks are so expensive. Thinking 140 range but this may not be to off. From what I recall texas didnt sniff Joba much except for when he fell behind walked some guys and grooved a fastball to Davis which he smacked for a 2 run double. Yanks won 9 straight (at least ) in Texas so might be a time to jump off them at -160 ...looking at Rangers +1.5 RL..Joba did labor some vs Balt and got tons of run support ...Kaz and Hamels two tough LHSP were about -140 and we know texas is weaker vs LHP so the price is abit high . Enough for me to pass on NYY....

Might be tough to fade Boston anytime soon but need to look at the rest of teh series pitching. Probably a pass

I am real interested in Sarfate as he got the jitters out @ Yankee Stadium. Itzuris will be out again and Hunter is questionable I guess. Balt can it Saunders they had there chances last start and took it awhile but they got to him. Really have good career stats off him as well. Also LAA had to fly back home after a long game where as Balt was already out West. Need to see o's pen situation rest wise.

Twins ML - Perkins better away I believe and SEA offense minimal vs LHSP of late think now 1-7 since dropping Sexson and they beat Laffey with help from an error.

Reds ML- Think Parra has slow down a bit lately but havent checked yet . Arroyo vs a heavy RH lineup is a major plus. Lets face Milw didnt do much past 2 games and Chuck James couldnt have made it much easier . The offense hasnt done much since the break alot of runs off BULLPENS .

Cubs to win series ...Harden in the middle game should be tough to pass on as Wandy opposes him and Cubs have some revenge ??

Rockies should do well this series . Probably fade Nats with LH in games 2 and 3 as game 4 could be there best chance to win. The Nats are weak on offense and might not be able to score much. So looking at COL in a ML parlay ..

The way Haren is throwing tough to think Pitt anything but didnt really look at this.

Might look @ AtL out West as there lineup is okay its there pen that is scary. SFG doesnt hit at home and Cain gets to much credit IMO............

BOL:cheers:
 
sportjunky said:
the chalk is crazy tomorrow. 5 different games of -200 or more.

sox vs. royals is very intriguing. meche has been nasty the past 6 weeks:

last 10 starts: 6-1 with 8 quality starts.

his career numbers vs the sox are solid a well.... 6 starts, 4-2, 3.69 era 1.17 whip

and then the fact that the line is a PK means vegas wants the public to pound the sox

the problem is it doesn't seem like the time to be fading the sox.
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I guess looking at BOS road record it would be foolish to play them. Bucholz has 1 career road win , Meche solid track record and nice groove and KC winning of late they swept Oak @ Oak and took 2 of 3 this weekend. really not impressed that much by Boston 2-1 , Eveland terrible and 5-2 vs a fringe SP ....:cheers:
 
Meche is better on the road than at home (ERA 0.01 short of a run higher at home) and has received good run support for all but 1 of his last 10 starts. No reason why KC shouldnt score off Buccholz given their return to offensive form (44 runs in 7 games) after a brief lull (that followed a long string of Over results), so if the Sox are to be competitive, they'll need to be scoring. Looking into Over for that one.
 
KC offensive resurgence is tricky though as they 23 runs in the past 2 games (Richard and Buerhle) and faced 4 LHSP in the last 6 which they have hit for awhile now.

2-4-6-3-4-1 are the recent games vs RHSP. Also 6-14 L20 vs RHSP

Maybe another UNDER. (23-10-3 UND in recent BOS Monday games)

Bos 3-8 L11 away vs RHSP and 5-11 L16 series openers

Meche 3-13 L16 vs AL East
KC 20-50 L70 Mondays

UND 38-17-1 L56 at home vs a RHSP KC
Under 10-1 L11 for Meche vs team with awinning record at home

Meche won 7-1 last year vs Boston and lost 2-1 @ Fenway in 2008. Only 8 runs (7 earned) allowed last 32.1 inn at home spanning 5 starts. A bullpen meltdown away from 5-0 . Also 5 earned in 22.1 inn in 3 career home starts vs Boston (Safeco and KC)......

GL
 
KC has scored 7, 6, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4, 3, 6 & 2 runs their last 10 home games vs righties.

The bolded games are during from the period I mentioned which I view as their offensive lull.

Outside of those games, 1 of the 3s was vs Felix Hernandez, and the 2 other lowest scores (3 & 2) came off 4 & 3 game winning streaks, both in SU losses. From my pov KC would have to put in an energyless effort here not to put up at least 4-5 runs.

And as far as Boston goes, they've scored more than 4 runs just 5 times in 16 games (but in both of their last 2). The signs are that this offense is starting to find it's rhythm again. They are 9-4 SU their last 13 road games vs sub .500 teams (7-6 to Over).

FWIW: Boston is 0-6 SU off their last 6 instances of playing a game off 3 straight wins (10-9 SU overall this season).
 
Roy Halladay is 5-0-2 to Over his last 7 starts in which the loser wasn't shutout, at an average of 10.00 runs/game.

For the season generally -
O/U 7-3-1 - avg 9.45 runs/game when the loser scores at least 2 runs
O/U 1-9-1 - avg 4.36 runs/game when the loser scores 0-1 runs

Roy has issued 1 walk in a total of 22.2 IP this season following a start where he issued 3 or more. He walked 3 batters vs TBY, his last outing.
 
Since May 28th, Tampa Bay has not scored 5 or more runs in a loss. This is easily the longest such streak alive in the majors at present. Since that date they have 22 losses: 4 in which they totaled 4 runs (4-0 to Over) and in the other 18 they scored 3 runs or less (15-3 to Under).
For quite sometime Tampa losses have a strongish alignment with Under results.
 
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I have a real tough time backing road chalk, but I do think the Yankees are the play today. Padilla sports a 12-5 record, but with a 1.44 whip/4.52 era, I would think he's bound for a correction. Though he won the last two meetings, he went 13 ip & allowed 17hits, 8er & 5bb. He has benefitted from very solid run support, & runs could be hard to come by vs Joba. Padilla has won 5 games vs teams over .500, 3 of them being the Twins.

I'll likely play on the Yankees team total, as it should be 5 & hopefully even.

Also considering Zona/Yankees parlayed +123
 
Since July the 6th, the Chicago Cubs are...

- 14-1 SU in games which they score at least 3 runs (11-4 to Over)

- 0-8 SU in games which they score 2 runs or less (7-1 to Under)

Capping a side for their games is as "easy" as simply concerning yourself with how their offense will go.

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Brian Moehler is yet another Mr. All-or-Nothing this season....

7 starts w/an ERA of 0.00-2.08 - O/U 0-7, avg 5.86 runs, HOU 6-1 SU+
1 start w/an ERA of 2.09-5.39 - O/U 0-1, avg 7.00 runs, HOU 1-0 SU
7 starts w/an ERA of 5.40+ - O/U 2-4-1, avg 10.14 runs, HOU 2-5 SU*

+comprised of 5 home games & 2 road games
*comprised of 3 home games & 4 road games

In his last 13 starts only 4 have been road games, 23.1 IP for 13 ERs (5.01 ERA, 1.37 WHIP), 3 of which were 5.40+ ERA efforts.


Moehler will pitch in Chicago off his longest outing to date this season in his last start (8.2 IP, 100 pitches, 33 batters faced). He had previously gone longer than 6.1 IP only twice, 7.0 IP both times (93 & 87 pitches, 24 & 26 batters faced). His next starts off those 7.0 IP efforts saw him go 4.2 IP for 7 ERs, and 2.1 IP for 5 ERs (both Overs, both SU losses for HOU).


(138-46-6 - 102-60-30)
 
A's pitching change



Oakland counters with Sean Gallagher (1-0, 3.22), who will make this start after Geren decided to flip-flop pitchers for the first two games of the set, and push Greg Smith to Tuesday.
“Gallagher is moving ahead of Smith to give (Smith) an extra day,” Geren told the A’s official Web site. “It also splits up our left-handers so we wouldn’t have three in a row. (Gallagher) also only had 80 pitches his last start.”
The right-hander allowed three runs and five hits in five innings in a 4-3 loss to Kansas City on Wednesday. Gallagher has not factored in his last three decisions since winning his Oakland debut on July 11 against the Los Angeles Angels.
Gallagher allowed three runs in five innings of a 3-2 loss at Toronto on June 13 while a member of the Chicago Cubs in his only start versus the Blue Jays.


Pinnacle still has Smith listed.
 
Doggie watch


Orioles+185 @ 5Dimes. Always tough to play against the Angels, but I think this is a spot where they could be overvalued. Yeah, I said overvalued! Saunders has faced the O's two times, 1 @ home & 1 on the road. His numbers? 11.2 ip, 18 hits, 7er & a .367 opp ba. Both games resulted in 6-5 Halos wins, but both times the O's sps got rocked. Burres went 1.2 ip & allowed 7h/5er @ home. Safarte went in & pitched 3.1 innings & allowed o hits, 2ks & 1 bb. Trachsel allowed 7h, 6er in 3 innings away before getting yanked. Could the third time be the charm? Tough to see Saunders coming out & shutting down the O's given his last 2 starts.

Another interesting thing I noticed is the O's totals in the opening game of a series. The O's have totaled 5 or more runs in the last 9 series game openers. They are 5-4 su, with all 4 losses coming by 1 run! Every total has been 10+, over 9 & +1.5 both look very attractive.....
 
Great stuff on those Cubs games BC. That's good shit.

NUt - I'm looking hard at Baltimore tonight as well. Initial lean was another OVER, as I'm not a huge Sarfate fan (at least not yet). But here's one thing we haven't talked about that scares me a bit (for both Balt and the OVER).

Adam Jones is doubtful for tonight's game. While his number don't show that much of an upgrade over his replacement (either Jay Payton/Luke Scott), Jones does seem to come up with hits at the right time. Him being out of the lineup is a bigger loss that you might at first realize. Also with Jones being a Southern Cali product (raised in San Diego area), you've got the extra motivation of the hometown angle....

Your point about travel is well taken, and losing the way ANA lost ysterday with so many mental mistakes is something that is at times tough to recover from.

I'm still looking at this one.

Kansas City has me drooling a bit with Meche on the hill. I'm on that one for sure, but have a feeling Boston cash will be coming and move the line my way a few cents. +100 now....
 
Awkward start time in toronto today.. That paired with Roy Halladay and a soft Oakland offense makes me lean to the under... Gallagher has the stuff but needs to get his pitches under control. He is prone to the longball with his flyball pitching, but I think with the limited power that toronto has in their lineup it should not be a huge worry. The whip has been disturbingly high the past few, but those were against some decent offenses with legitimate power and average. I'm a little weary of Halladay's past 5-10 starts being predominantly over, but this seems like a fair matchup with two good bullpens. Pending ump, under looks good.
 
Halladay pitching today on an extra day's rest. Wonder how that will effect him, if at all?

Anyone have numbers on Roy pitching on extended rest?
 
BetCrimes1984 said:
KC has scored 7, 6, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4, 3, 6 & 2 runs their last 10 home games vs righties.

The bolded games are during from the period I mentioned which I view as their offensive lull.

Outside of those games, 1 of the 3s was vs Felix Hernandez, and the 2 other lowest scores (3 & 2) came off 4 & 3 game winning streaks, both in SU losses. From my pov KC would have to put in an energyless effort here not to put up at least 4-5 runs.

And as far as Boston goes, they've scored more than 4 runs just 5 times in 16 games (but in both of their last 2). The signs are that this offense is starting to find it's rhythm again. They are 9-4 SU their last 13 road games vs sub .500 teams (7-6 to Over).

FWIW: Boston is 0-6 SU off their last 6 instances of playing a game off 3 straight wins (10-9 SU overall this season).
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We all look at the same stats and see different things thats whats great about this .

23 runs past 2 days(24 previous 8 home games)
Buerhle 4.1 Inn 14 Hits 8 runs
Richard 4.1 Inn 11 H 9 r 6 Er

Actually the only RHP they faced the past 2 days was Wasserman and he is terrible . So almost all of the offense the past 2 days came off LHP. I dont think either of us can twist us . (oh and the 2 batters Carrasaco faced yesterday). So the offense has woken up but my point is because it had favorable matchups vs LHP? Which Buerhle slumping of late and have seen him a bunch with no success so ina sense a great spot to have success off him and Richard youngster 3 career ML start. Thats why I just cant say KC offense is alive and well . Especially since you in some fairly recent posts have pointed out how well KC has scored when facing an opposing LHSP. Which it sort of slowed down in July. They had a stretch 10 6 7 8 12 0 11 4 4 in June (when Aviles 1st arrived) . Recently it was 5 4 3 1 8 5 5 4 . Think the 3 was vs Kaz who was medicore by his standards and the TB pen held it down and the 1 was vs Gambler and DET had huge payback that series and carried it out . So these 17-18 games vs LHSP they only scored less 4 in 3 of them and the shutout was in the midst of brutal travel and was the opener @ Zona to which they responded by scoring 12 the next day vs Unit .

Previous-vs RHSP
2runs 6h in 9 inn vs Vazquez
4runs 9hits in 10 inn @ Oak vs Gallagher
6runs 11 hits in 8 home vs Sonnastine ( half the damage came in the b7th )
3rusn 4h in 9 inn vs Jackson ( only 2 solo Hrs in 5 inn vs EJack)
4runs 10h in 8 inn vs Garza ( did well chasing him early 8h 4r in 5 inn)
1run 4h in 9 inn vs Galarrga
4runs 9H in 9 inn vs Miner ( really nothing 5 hits in 8 shutout innings minus the b8th when Dolsi allowed 4 hits and 4 runs, when the game was 19-0)
9runs 9H @ Floyd ( 6inn4h 3r 1 er against Floyd , 6 runs in the b8th inn against Thornton (LHP) , Masset and Russell not exactly good sp)
3runs 10h in 9 inn vs Silva : 6inn 8 h 2 runs off Silva
3runs 4hits in 8 inn vs King Felix : (Felix went just 5 inn allowing 3h 4r Corocoran and Jiminez followed)

This goes back to July9th the last time the had some consecutive games of offensive output vs a RHSP. Which actually was roughing up Javy Vazquez the last RHSP they faced who shut them down.

So this is the last 10 games for KC vs RHSP as you pointed out earlier .

Think its 87 INN only 76 H 39 runs scored or 3.9 per game . Only twice topped 4 runs 6 vs TB with Sonnastine and broke it open in the b7th vs the pen scoring 3 times on a HR . Then vs Floyd getting a 6 spot in the b8th off the Wsox pen which has struggled of late after managing just 4 hits and 1 eanred of 3 runs in 6 inn vs Gavin Floyd.

Would say 6 of the 10 SP put together high quality eforts . Would say King Felix and Gallagher were decent allowing 3 runs in 5 inn ( total of 7hits in 10 vs them). Sonnastine pitched well before exiting . He left allowing 8 hits (5XBH) in 6.2 Inn and 3 runs . There was 1 MOB from a 1 out double by German (who along with Butler killed TB that day) and with DeJesus they chose to IBB (intentional walk Him) rather then bring a LH to face him as they were down 3-1 . Reyes comes in 1st and 2nd now 2 out throws a wild pitch moves the runners up . Then Butler hits a 3 RUN HR and Gordon singles afterward getting Reyes pulled after blowing the game up. Now Reyes is RH but spent some time on the DL and recently returned before the KC series and hasnt been near as good as since allowing 9hits 5 runs 4 earned(and the 2 inherited baserunners of Sonnastine that I know off) in 5 inn with 2BB 2K & was scored on in 4 of the 6 outings since his DL return. Prior to the DL stint 15.2 INN 11H 7R /ER 8BB 15 K 4.02 ERA . Not exceptional but H/per9 went from 0.75 to nearly 2.00 ..

The other SP was Garza a guy with a some inconsitency on the road so far despite some dominant outings in 2008 as the lone SP they really hit fairly hard and chased . 8hits and 4runs in 5 inn before EXITING and they hit him fairly well early in his start vs Meche @ TB but he mamanged to survive and go deep in the game.

Grudz to the DL means more time for Esteban German at 2nd base which is a tremendous droppoff IMO . DeJesus is banged up and so key for them and is listed as questionable here .

Some stats- vs RHP
Guillen .244 8HR 41RBI .662 OPS 299AB 5BB to 57K ratio
Gordon .276 11HR 40RBI .846 OPS 275AB 38BB to 66K ratio
Teahen .248 7Hr 23 RBI .724 OPS 31BB to 53 K
DeJesus .309 9hr 39RBI .869 OPS 233 ABs 24BB to 30K
Gload .289 2Hr 19RBI .715 OPS 218ABs 16bb 20K
Butler .240 3hr 23 RBI .615 OPS 208ABs 16bb 27K
Buck .242 5hr 26 RBI .684 OPS 190 AB 17BB 44K
OLivo .237 4Hr 19 RBI .648 OPS 152 ABs 2bb 43 K
Aviles .306 4hr 20 RBI .785 OPS 3bb to 23K 147Abs
German .276 0Hr 9 rbi 58abs .764 OPS 5bb 13K
Grudz .265 3Hr 17 RBI .656 OPS
Maier 4-16

KC gets alot of XBH 110 double and 8 triples from the expected lineup 49Hrs as well some decent pop but KC was once a HR park .

The one improvement I would agree with and its quite huge is Aviles becoming the everyday SS over Pena and Callaspo. Who managed to combine for 39-217 vs RHP 3 doubles 2 triples 0Hrs 9 RBI 11bb 39Ks . Tony Pena Jr was the real culprit and at times when he starts its an automatic UNDER play usually for me. Callapso at least hit 263 21-80 9bb to 8 K.

Pena Jr vs RHP 18-137 2doubles 1 triple 6rbi 2bb to 31K (OMG)
.131 AVG .144 OBA 161 SLG .304 OPS

So that Black Hole has been UPGRADED big time . I might add that Aviles had a slump after an intial hot start and is once again hitting so some of that offensive lull for KC could be directed to Aviles slump but that was really late June to early July from what I see when he had a 5-39 stretch
. The stats above are July 7th forward I believe . From June 25th to July 6th his avg went from 352 to 273. However he is now back to 340. Getting a hit in all but 3 games . 23 games 99abs and 41 hits !! Tear ! Think 10 double 1 triple 4hrs (3 in the past 7 games) 16RBI.

vs LHSP
Guillen 8hrs 32 rbi .308 107abs or 35% of what he has vs RHP with same power & run production .
Grudz 395
Butler 345 4hr 14 rbi 84abs
Buck 260 3hr 12 rbi 850 OPS
Olivo .318 6HR 14 RBI 66abs 1.048 OPS
Aviles .419 3hR 11rbi 62abs 1.221 OPS

So Butler , Guillen , Olivo , Grudz on the DL now see tremendous improvement compared to RHP. While Aviles and Buck see strong improvement as well. Which is why DeJesus is so important for them vs RHSP . Take away his bat its just Alex Gordon from the LH side as teahen and Gload are solid but nothing spectular .

So IMO huge difference for KC when facing a RHP or LHP especially after a slow start vs LHP.

Now Boston what did they do vs Oakland really ?
2 runs , explosion , 5 runs

Meche as I pointed out real solid his past 2 starts vs Bos in 07 and 08 as well as the last start of 2006 . Good in all 3 career starts in his home park vs them. Only 7 earned runs (8runs) in his past 5 Home starts spanning 32.1inn 1.95 ERA. Past 10 starts 7 of them he allowed 2 earned or less , 3 runs (once) and then 4 earned twice (one was 5 runs) . L10 starts 19 earned (21 runs) in 64.1 innings 2.66 ERA

Since the break 3 starts
20.1 inn 12H 3 runs 4bb 18 K 0Hr (allowed 14Hr in his 1st 20 starts and 11 in his 1st 10 home starts)
0.79 WHIP
1.33 ERA

In 2007 @ Fenway Boston scored 5,3,4 runs vs Leo Nunez , Odalis Perez and Brian Bannister. In KC they scored 1 ,7 , 4 vs Meche , Perez and Grienke . In 2008 @ Fenway they scored 7 ,2, 6, 12 Hovechar , Meche , Tomko and Bannister. In Game they got 4 earned runs vs Hovechar , Meche held them to 5 hits and 2 runs , 6runs when Tomko started and Bannister as usual terrible on the road early GS then 6runs in the 6th inning as well .
So in 2007 they scored 4runs or less in 4 of 6 and this year managed to get more then 4 in 3 of them but one game was only 4 eanred and that was @ Fenway.

Bucholz is a mystery but since KC has shown to struggle at least at times vs RHSP then this is his chance to be successful . The previous 10 games vs RHSP few names have better stuff then Clay Bucholz and most are just as poor on the road . So he is in the same category as those SP mentioned IMO minus javy and King Felix( off the top of my head) . Like most young SP he struggles on the road but more so since his DL return . He was okay @ Seattle and very good early on @ TB but little else away...Bostons pen has been very good of late using each relievers L3 outings they have worked 19++ innings allowing 8 hits 2runs with everyone doing well. KC's pen has struggled a bit with Meche's track record vs Boston and recent success in general would think he could go 7 innings here maybe sligtily more. Sokia has been good so its a matter of who gets the outs in the 8th for them if they are winning . Ramirez probably gets the ball then and he has been solid but inconsistent .

Red Sox bats ?
2runs 11 hits in 12 innings at home vs Oak with JD
12 runs 14 hits vs Eveland
Before he recorded an out in the 3rd Boston had 8 hits and 9 runs . Lenny DiNardo relieved going 6 inn allowing 6 hits and 3 runs. Which he allowed a 2run Hr in the b8th to Youk to start the inning . So Boston didnt do much after Eveland exited and granted I understand big lead you go into cruise control but DiNardo was not doing well in 2008 and did very well here.
5runs 8 hits vs Braden and Co.
One key hit was Lowrie's 2 out triple which chased Braden in the 4th and made it 3-0 . Tough lineup for him with 4 of the top 5 hitters vs good RHB and the last 2 runs coming on sac flies I believe . All in all okay job but just 8 hits.

Ortiz and Lowell become HUGE with Manny gone as they hit 3rd and 4th.
Ortiz went 1-10 4bb to 1K . With Manny gone and Lowell his protection now teams will go after Ortiz alot less until Lowell proves he can be successful as the cleanup hitter . Remember while Lowell has been very good inBoston especially 2008 he was basically a throw in the beckett deal because his salary outweighed his production for FLA . Lowell did go 4-13 this weekend . Also 3 of hits were vs Braden and Eveland 2 weak LH. His track record vs KC is not very strong . Nice 300 avg with 1hr and 11 rbi in 80 abs which in his last game vs Bannister he hit the GS mentioned earlier. Lowell's last HR came off Rasner at the Stadium and its the one I sooften talk about since it was a great job by him turning ona fastball inside and hitting a huge 3run HR. After that game he was hitting 303 now 280 and just 10 RBI since. Think 23 g 92abs 20h 5 doubs....217 avg only 7 runs scored and before this weekend July 12 was the last time he scored .

Lowrie is an upgrade at SS but inconsistent as a youngster . Nice weekend 5-10 7 rbis including both in the 2-1 game and the big hit SUnday . He entered 21-78 1hr 11 rbi but in 4 multi hit games before this weekend did most of his damage going 9-15 1 Hr 5 rbi making him 12-63 in the other games (about 16 starts) with 6 rbi of which 3 of those came in his 1st game....

Varitek is 188 on the road with 51 Ks in 160 abs . Last 2 months 140abs 2Hrs 11 rbi 22hits 17bb 44K . WHich is .157 AVG . He went 2-7 this weekend with a RBI but also 3 ks.

Ellsbury 234 away this season & 592 OPS with more abs then home where he is 287 & 768OPS. Think just 2hrs and 17 rbi since April ended but nice 5-10 career mark in limited work vs kC.
48-195 in June and July 1Hr 9 rbi .246 avg 5bb 37K (1-9 with 1 K in Aug so far)

Pedroia and Youk so solid. Pedroia tear last 2 months at 353 72-204 5hrs 20 RBI and 331 away much better then home but have to think he drops back a bit . So far 4-14 286 in Aug and even a respectable 290 to 300 is a huge drop from 2 months at 350.

Have to admit Youk is turning into a monster or at worst having a career season. With 20Hrs 75 RBI already . Think about 310 on the road but 9hr 28 rbi a strong drop in run production (14 less abs but 19 less RBI). Still 2nd H tear so who knows what to expect other then another solid month. The Greek God of WALKS is seeing a huge decline in that area as well . 91 2 seasons ago down to 77 and now only 37 making 60walks a tough number to grab. vs ,meche 4-9 with 3Ks but really poor 218 career vs KC.

Drew 190 L17 games (3hr 7rbi)and seems like the 3 spot in front of Manny was the reason why he hit well . Outside of torrid June he has 7hrs 31 rbi . 62-233 .266 .
In June 12Hrs 27 Rbi 31-92 337 1.309 OPS.
Batting 3rd only 275 avg 12hrs 31 rbi in 149 abs
Batting6th/7th 7hrs 27 rbi .306 170abs
So hard to clearly say . Got HOT then maybe moved into the 3 hole which extended the hot streak ?? Anyway still 190 L17 games....

Ortiz 221 6hrs 14 rbi away vs 298 8hrs 33 rbi at home (1 ab more away)
.276 career vs KC but 9-20 4hrs 9 rbi vs meche
10-33 since his return from the DL Hr 4 rbi .

So just not sure where Boston is headed offensively. The faced a high quality SP in JD on Friday and didnt do much and get a similiar one in Meche now (based on previous history vs Boston and recent form) . Boston 14 runs scored in 6 home games vs good SP minus Ponson , Eveland and Braden ...Pettitte , Joba , Weaver(fringe) , Saunders , Lackey and JD. game vs King Felix was 3-3 whenitheaded to extras to end the road trip as well.....

L16 away games for Boston faced 11 RHP .

6 10 2 @ Houston - R.hernandez , Backe and Moehler
4 1 @ TB SHields , Garza
6 1 4 @ NYY- Rasner , Moose , Joba
3 3 @ LAA - Lackey Garland
6 @ Sea - King Felix(3-3 after 9 innings)

So only 4 times did they get more then 4 runs( really 3 ) : extras vs Sea but really 3 runs in 9 innings , 6 vs Rasner and remember Damon slammed into the wall dropping the ball allowing 2 runs to score rather then ending the inning and 6 vs Runelyvs hernandez and Hous pen...plus the Backe starts

For me like KC ML and UNDER 9.5 runs ...just my opinion....and my side of the story

BOL...:cheers:spend to much time on this shit ...lol


















 
scdoggy said:
Halladay pitching today on an extra day's rest. Wonder how that will effect him, if at all?

Anyone have numbers on Roy pitching on extended rest?
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@ Texas
@ TB
@ Boston
@NYY on 6/03
vs Cubs
@ Pitt
vs NYY at home
@ TB on 7/19 but week off due to the break plus he pitched in the AS game so I would exclude this start.

The bold are with 1 extra day rest.

7 starts only 2 at home 3-4 record for Jays(5-1-1 UND in Joba's start it was an over)
52.2 inn 41 H 15R 11 Earned 4Hrs 8bb 39K 1.88 ERA 0.93 WHIP

Of the SEVEN , 5 were lights out . Struggled at home vs Cubs but 4 unearned runs add to that (lasted just 5 inn) and earlier start @ TB with one bad inning 5 runs in 8 inn back in April .

How lights out in those 5 ? 25 hits and 4 runs allowed in 38.2inn 6bb 30Ks
0.93 ERA & 0.82 WHIP


So overall very good in the 7 starts he was on an extra days rest . Near unhittable in 5 of them .......

BOL:cheers:
 
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Nice info SportsNut. I like Toronto here.

Do you have voice recognition software to aid with these long posts? If not I know what I'm buying you for X-mas you long winded motherfucker :)
 
I'm going to put this out there. I like Seattle tonight +113. Batista is 4-1 on Monday nights. Any opinions??
 
My two cents on Mil / Cincy....Arroyo has a 4.64 ERA with a 0.89 WHIP his L3. These numbers tell me the hits that he gives up are big ones of the extra-base variety. And I read a post on here last week that Mil offense is producing half their runs since the AS game on HR's. My point is that we may be seeing a clash tonight of Milwaukee's strength vs. Arroyo's weakness.
 
Cubs Astros thoughts?

Cubs resting several starters tonight, but heavily favored, and Houston playing well of late.
 
Pettitte goes tomorrow. Coming off a bad loss. after the break. Somewhat a must win situation which the team knows. Texas does not lose consecutive games at home. Texas must win tonight.
 
Seattle is like 2-6 at home in game 1s after a win, and Batista is pure shit.
 
tuck321 said:
Pettitte goes tomorrow. Coming off a bad loss. after the break. Somewhat a must win situation which the team knows. Texas does not lose consecutive games at home. Texas must win tonight.
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Even my Yankee loving ass agrees with this.

Lets look at this logically .

Texas was home didnt have to travel while Yanks have to start a crucial 10 game road trip down in the heat they might need to get accustomed to. Plus Yanks were fortunate to get the breaks and just about all of them in the final innings . I mean 10 unearned runs !

Next is we know that Texas weakness is versus LHP and well Pettitte is LHP. What did I also post awhile back ....Remember Pettitte is strong in the 2nd H and dont think NY lost consecutive Pettitte starts(2nd H or from July on) since his return in 2007. The other part is Yanks facing a kid in Harrison .

Today while Joba has great stuff I still have reservations about his consistency . How does the heat affect the big guy ? Most importantly Texas hits RHP better and Job ais righty.

The other part is Padilla is a very solid SP . More importantly though is he is so much better then Harrison.

So would you rather pay -160 for NYY facing a solid SP in Padilla when Texas is facing a RHP or pay -160 tmrw when Texas is throwing a kid vs a deep lineup and facing a LHP who they have shown to struggle against. Take Purcey yesterday . Started with 3 perfect innings and then couple of long balls killed him. Laird hit two 2 run Hrs and think Davis a solo shot the only 3 hits off him in 5 innings. Petitte is very good vs LHB so some of the Texas hitters could be negatated......

Plus Rivera probably isnt available and we know Joba gets run out of games because of his pitch counts and while I love the Yanks pen its Mo Rivera here ...

I''ll take +1.5 RL so I could dream of a Yankee win by 1 run amd get the best of both. Also lean UNDER ...:cheers:GL
 
JROCK1966 said:
My two cents on Mil / Cincy....Arroyo has a 4.64 ERA with a 0.89 WHIP his L3. These numbers tell me the hits that he gives up are big ones of the extra-base variety. And I read a post on here last week that Mil offense is producing half their runs since the AS game on HR's. My point is that we may be seeing a clash tonight of Milwaukee's strength vs. Arroyo's weakness.
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Brew Crew definetly a bunch of sluggers . Not sure its a clash though. Milw L10 vs RHP .180 avg and .241 all season away . Chad Morton did a good job vs them on Sat and Campillo shut them down for the 3rd time in 2008 . Milw may very well get there runs on XBHs but sure that means much of anything cause it really dont say how much they will score . At one time Arroyo was very solid vs Milw struggled a few times lately . Big thing for me Arroyo throws 3/4 and slurve type slider which makes him tough on RHBs and that means MILW lineup plays in to his strength IMO.

Like the Reds here...:cheers:GL
 
There was wind according to some sites . Hard to tell what is accurate . If scoresandodds list wind direction I tend to trust it. Books aint throwing up a 10 when it should like 9 especially with rested players for no reason. If it was an obvious mistake it would have been crushed downward ...

Just my take
 
Yanks @ Texas-

Look at Joba's past 10 starts since his debut :

3 1 1 0 3 4 5 3 0 3 - OPP scoring

So in 8 of 10 starts the opponents scored 3 or less . One time each scoring 4 and 5 . We know Joba tends to go about 6 innings but also important is the pen is rested despite Mo's absence and has shown to pitch well in relief of him. Those starts 23 runs were scored (2.3 per game) and Joba gave up 16 of them (14earned) in 58.1 innings (3 times he allowed 3runs never more). Which leaves apprx 30.2 innings for the pen in his starts and they allowed 7 runs dont care to check whats earned or not but thats about a 2.05 ERA. Joba ERA was 2.17 but runs avg was 2.47 due to the unearned runs.

Road starts for Joba ?
2-1 win @ Houston
10-0 win @ Ptt
L0-5 @ Tor/ w Halladay
W1-0 @ Bos vs Beckett

So no runs allowed twice and 1 run once . Scoring for him 1,0 and 2 plus a 10 spot . So run support isnt always there

Actually those starts in FIVE of them Joba received 2 runs or less support . He also received 4 ,5 6 and the explosions for 10 and 13.

Padilla pen not doing the same for him . Padila 8 home starts 3.98 ERA avg 6 1/2 innings but runs allowed is 6.25 when he starts at home....no relief for him. Though its been 3 games where all the runs were allowed by the pen......Fransico Guardado and Rupe have been very solid while some other Rangers have struggled....

L4 home starts:
3r in 7 INN-10hits
7r in 6 INN- 7hits
2r(1er) in 6 Inn-2hits
3r in 6 INN -5hits

25 inn 24 H 15 14 er (one bad start otherwise 3 or less)

Padilla has taken 14 turns on normal rest which Texas is 12-2 in.

Have to like Texas here (+1.5 for me ) , UND 1st 5 inn and game....BOL:cheers:
 
everything leaning to minny tonight, like tt o4.5 too. Thoughts SN or anyone if you don't mind?
 
craaaazy game in Arlington.

first Joba looks great, getting outs easily, then he has to avoid a ball thrown by Pudge Rodriguez and does a somersault (!?), which was weird to see since he is a big guy, then slowly he regresses. So after allowing 2 HRs in what, 87 IP so far this year, he allows 2 homers in 7 ABs!!

And what an inning it was.


Rangers have a runner on 1st, 0 outs, first the umps call a DP but then WITHDRAW the decision (apparently the batter touched the ball with his thigh after bunting it) and Joba walks him so instead of 2 outs, nobody on, you now have 2 on, 0 outs.


A few moments later Michael Young homers to make it a 5-4 game, Rangers.


Joba is out, Ramirez is in.

The sequence of events here, I mean just wow. Glad I tuned in that game at the right moment.
 
SportsNut said:
We all look at the same stats and see different things thats whats great about this .

23 runs past 2 days(24 previous 8 home games)
Buerhle 4.1 Inn 14 Hits 8 runs
Richard 4.1 Inn 11 H 9 r 6 Er

Actually the only RHP they faced the past 2 days was Wasserman and he is terrible . So almost all of the offense the past 2 days came off LHP. I dont think either of us can twist us . (oh and the 2 batters Carrasaco faced yesterday). So the offense has woken up but my point is because it had favorable matchups vs LHP? Which Buerhle slumping of late and have seen him a bunch with no success so ina sense a great spot to have success off him and Richard youngster 3 career ML start. Thats why I just cant say KC offense is alive and well . Especially since you in some fairly recent posts have pointed out how well KC has scored when facing an opposing LHSP. Which it sort of slowed down in July. They had a stretch 10 6 7 8 12 0 11 4 4 in June (when Aviles 1st arrived) . Recently it was 5 4 3 1 8 5 5 4 . Think the 3 was vs Kaz who was medicore by his standards and the TB pen held it down and the 1 was vs Gambler and DET had huge payback that series and carried it out . So these 17-18 games vs LHSP they only scored less 4 in 3 of them and the shutout was in the midst of brutal travel and was the opener @ Zona to which they responded by scoring 12 the next day vs Unit .

Previous-vs RHSP
2runs 6h in 9 inn vs Vazquez
4runs 9hits in 10 inn @ Oak vs Gallagher
6runs 11 hits in 8 home vs Sonnastine ( half the damage came in the b7th )
3rusn 4h in 9 inn vs Jackson ( only 2 solo Hrs in 5 inn vs EJack)
4runs 10h in 8 inn vs Garza ( did well chasing him early 8h 4r in 5 inn)
1run 4h in 9 inn vs Galarrga
4runs 9H in 9 inn vs Miner ( really nothing 5 hits in 8 shutout innings minus the b8th when Dolsi allowed 4 hits and 4 runs, when the game was 19-0)
9runs 9H @ Floyd ( 6inn4h 3r 1 er against Floyd , 6 runs in the b8th inn against Thornton (LHP) , Masset and Russell not exactly good sp)
3runs 10h in 9 inn vs Silva : 6inn 8 h 2 runs off Silva
3runs 4hits in 8 inn vs King Felix : (Felix went just 5 inn allowing 3h 4r Corocoran and Jiminez followed)

This goes back to July9th the last time the had some consecutive games of offensive output vs a RHSP. Which actually was roughing up Javy Vazquez the last RHSP they faced who shut them down.

So this is the last 10 games for KC vs RHSP as you pointed out earlier .

Think its 87 INN only 76 H 39 runs scored or 3.9 per game . Only twice topped 4 runs 6 vs TB with Sonnastine and broke it open in the b7th vs the pen scoring 3 times on a HR . Then vs Floyd getting a 6 spot in the b8th off the Wsox pen which has struggled of late after managing just 4 hits and 1 eanred of 3 runs in 6 inn vs Gavin Floyd.

Would say 6 of the 10 SP put together high quality eforts . Would say King Felix and Gallagher were decent allowing 3 runs in 5 inn ( total of 7hits in 10 vs them). Sonnastine pitched well before exiting . He left allowing 8 hits (5XBH) in 6.2 Inn and 3 runs . There was 1 MOB from a 1 out double by German (who along with Butler killed TB that day) and with DeJesus they chose to IBB (intentional walk Him) rather then bring a LH to face him as they were down 3-1 . Reyes comes in 1st and 2nd now 2 out throws a wild pitch moves the runners up . Then Butler hits a 3 RUN HR and Gordon singles afterward getting Reyes pulled after blowing the game up. Now Reyes is RH but spent some time on the DL and recently returned before the KC series and hasnt been near as good as since allowing 9hits 5 runs 4 earned(and the 2 inherited baserunners of Sonnastine that I know off) in 5 inn with 2BB 2K & was scored on in 4 of the 6 outings since his DL return. Prior to the DL stint 15.2 INN 11H 7R /ER 8BB 15 K 4.02 ERA . Not exceptional but H/per9 went from 0.75 to nearly 2.00 ..

The other SP was Garza a guy with a some inconsitency on the road so far despite some dominant outings in 2008 as the lone SP they really hit fairly hard and chased . 8hits and 4runs in 5 inn before EXITING and they hit him fairly well early in his start vs Meche @ TB but he mamanged to survive and go deep in the game.

Grudz to the DL means more time for Esteban German at 2nd base which is a tremendous droppoff IMO . DeJesus is banged up and so key for them and is listed as questionable here .

Some stats- vs RHP
Guillen .244 8HR 41RBI .662 OPS 299AB 5BB to 57K ratio
Gordon .276 11HR 40RBI .846 OPS 275AB 38BB to 66K ratio
Teahen .248 7Hr 23 RBI .724 OPS 31BB to 53 K
DeJesus .309 9hr 39RBI .869 OPS 233 ABs 24BB to 30K
Gload .289 2Hr 19RBI .715 OPS 218ABs 16bb 20K
Butler .240 3hr 23 RBI .615 OPS 208ABs 16bb 27K
Buck .242 5hr 26 RBI .684 OPS 190 AB 17BB 44K
OLivo .237 4Hr 19 RBI .648 OPS 152 ABs 2bb 43 K
Aviles .306 4hr 20 RBI .785 OPS 3bb to 23K 147Abs
German .276 0Hr 9 rbi 58abs .764 OPS 5bb 13K
Grudz .265 3Hr 17 RBI .656 OPS
Maier 4-16

KC gets alot of XBH 110 double and 8 triples from the expected lineup 49Hrs as well some decent pop but KC was once a HR park .

The one improvement I would agree with and its quite huge is Aviles becoming the everyday SS over Pena and Callaspo. Who managed to combine for 39-217 vs RHP 3 doubles 2 triples 0Hrs 9 RBI 11bb 39Ks . Tony Pena Jr was the real culprit and at times when he starts its an automatic UNDER play usually for me. Callapso at least hit 263 21-80 9bb to 8 K.

Pena Jr vs RHP 18-137 2doubles 1 triple 6rbi 2bb to 31K (OMG)
.131 AVG .144 OBA 161 SLG .304 OPS

So that Black Hole has been UPGRADED big time . I might add that Aviles had a slump after an intial hot start and is once again hitting so some of that offensive lull for KC could be directed to Aviles slump but that was really late June to early July from what I see when he had a 5-39 stretch
. The stats above are July 7th forward I believe . From June 25th to July 6th his avg went from 352 to 273. However he is now back to 340. Getting a hit in all but 3 games . 23 games 99abs and 41 hits !! Tear ! Think 10 double 1 triple 4hrs (3 in the past 7 games) 16RBI.

vs LHSP
Guillen 8hrs 32 rbi .308 107abs or 35% of what he has vs RHP with same power & run production .
Grudz 395
Butler 345 4hr 14 rbi 84abs
Buck 260 3hr 12 rbi 850 OPS
Olivo .318 6HR 14 RBI 66abs 1.048 OPS
Aviles .419 3hR 11rbi 62abs 1.221 OPS

So Butler , Guillen , Olivo , Grudz on the DL now see tremendous improvement compared to RHP. While Aviles and Buck see strong improvement as well. Which is why DeJesus is so important for them vs RHSP . Take away his bat its just Alex Gordon from the LH side as teahen and Gload are solid but nothing spectular .

So IMO huge difference for KC when facing a RHP or LHP especially after a slow start vs LHP.

Now Boston what did they do vs Oakland really ?
2 runs , explosion , 5 runs

Meche as I pointed out real solid his past 2 starts vs Bos in 07 and 08 as well as the last start of 2006 . Good in all 3 career starts in his home park vs them. Only 7 earned runs (8runs) in his past 5 Home starts spanning 32.1inn 1.95 ERA. Past 10 starts 7 of them he allowed 2 earned or less , 3 runs (once) and then 4 earned twice (one was 5 runs) . L10 starts 19 earned (21 runs) in 64.1 innings 2.66 ERA

Since the break 3 starts
20.1 inn 12H 3 runs 4bb 18 K 0Hr (allowed 14Hr in his 1st 20 starts and 11 in his 1st 10 home starts)
0.79 WHIP
1.33 ERA

In 2007 @ Fenway Boston scored 5,3,4 runs vs Leo Nunez , Odalis Perez and Brian Bannister. In KC they scored 1 ,7 , 4 vs Meche , Perez and Grienke . In 2008 @ Fenway they scored 7 ,2, 6, 12 Hovechar , Meche , Tomko and Bannister. In Game they got 4 earned runs vs Hovechar , Meche held them to 5 hits and 2 runs , 6runs when Tomko started and Bannister as usual terrible on the road early GS then 6runs in the 6th inning as well .
So in 2007 they scored 4runs or less in 4 of 6 and this year managed to get more then 4 in 3 of them but one game was only 4 eanred and that was @ Fenway.

Bucholz is a mystery but since KC has shown to struggle at least at times vs RHSP then this is his chance to be successful . The previous 10 games vs RHSP few names have better stuff then Clay Bucholz and most are just as poor on the road . So he is in the same category as those SP mentioned IMO minus javy and King Felix( off the top of my head) . Like most young SP he struggles on the road but more so since his DL return . He was okay @ Seattle and very good early on @ TB but little else away...Bostons pen has been very good of late using each relievers L3 outings they have worked 19++ innings allowing 8 hits 2runs with everyone doing well. KC's pen has struggled a bit with Meche's track record vs Boston and recent success in general would think he could go 7 innings here maybe sligtily more. Sokia has been good so its a matter of who gets the outs in the 8th for them if they are winning . Ramirez probably gets the ball then and he has been solid but inconsistent .

Red Sox bats ?
2runs 11 hits in 12 innings at home vs Oak with JD
12 runs 14 hits vs Eveland
Before he recorded an out in the 3rd Boston had 8 hits and 9 runs . Lenny DiNardo relieved going 6 inn allowing 6 hits and 3 runs. Which he allowed a 2run Hr in the b8th to Youk to start the inning . So Boston didnt do much after Eveland exited and granted I understand big lead you go into cruise control but DiNardo was not doing well in 2008 and did very well here.
5runs 8 hits vs Braden and Co.
One key hit was Lowrie's 2 out triple which chased Braden in the 4th and made it 3-0 . Tough lineup for him with 4 of the top 5 hitters vs good RHB and the last 2 runs coming on sac flies I believe . All in all okay job but just 8 hits.

Ortiz and Lowell become HUGE with Manny gone as they hit 3rd and 4th.
Ortiz went 1-10 4bb to 1K . With Manny gone and Lowell his protection now teams will go after Ortiz alot less until Lowell proves he can be successful as the cleanup hitter . Remember while Lowell has been very good inBoston especially 2008 he was basically a throw in the beckett deal because his salary outweighed his production for FLA . Lowell did go 4-13 this weekend . Also 3 of hits were vs Braden and Eveland 2 weak LH. His track record vs KC is not very strong . Nice 300 avg with 1hr and 11 rbi in 80 abs which in his last game vs Bannister he hit the GS mentioned earlier. Lowell's last HR came off Rasner at the Stadium and its the one I sooften talk about since it was a great job by him turning ona fastball inside and hitting a huge 3run HR. After that game he was hitting 303 now 280 and just 10 RBI since. Think 23 g 92abs 20h 5 doubs....217 avg only 7 runs scored and before this weekend July 12 was the last time he scored .

Lowrie is an upgrade at SS but inconsistent as a youngster . Nice weekend 5-10 7 rbis including both in the 2-1 game and the big hit SUnday . He entered 21-78 1hr 11 rbi but in 4 multi hit games before this weekend did most of his damage going 9-15 1 Hr 5 rbi making him 12-63 in the other games (about 16 starts) with 6 rbi of which 3 of those came in his 1st game....

Varitek is 188 on the road with 51 Ks in 160 abs . Last 2 months 140abs 2Hrs 11 rbi 22hits 17bb 44K . WHich is .157 AVG . He went 2-7 this weekend with a RBI but also 3 ks.

Ellsbury 234 away this season & 592 OPS with more abs then home where he is 287 & 768OPS. Think just 2hrs and 17 rbi since April ended but nice 5-10 career mark in limited work vs kC.
48-195 in June and July 1Hr 9 rbi .246 avg 5bb 37K (1-9 with 1 K in Aug so far)

Pedroia and Youk so solid. Pedroia tear last 2 months at 353 72-204 5hrs 20 RBI and 331 away much better then home but have to think he drops back a bit . So far 4-14 286 in Aug and even a respectable 290 to 300 is a huge drop from 2 months at 350.

Have to admit Youk is turning into a monster or at worst having a career season. With 20Hrs 75 RBI already . Think about 310 on the road but 9hr 28 rbi a strong drop in run production (14 less abs but 19 less RBI). Still 2nd H tear so who knows what to expect other then another solid month. The Greek God of WALKS is seeing a huge decline in that area as well . 91 2 seasons ago down to 77 and now only 37 making 60walks a tough number to grab. vs ,meche 4-9 with 3Ks but really poor 218 career vs KC.

Drew 190 L17 games (3hr 7rbi)and seems like the 3 spot in front of Manny was the reason why he hit well . Outside of torrid June he has 7hrs 31 rbi . 62-233 .266 .
In June 12Hrs 27 Rbi 31-92 337 1.309 OPS.
Batting 3rd only 275 avg 12hrs 31 rbi in 149 abs
Batting6th/7th 7hrs 27 rbi .306 170abs
So hard to clearly say . Got HOT then maybe moved into the 3 hole which extended the hot streak ?? Anyway still 190 L17 games....

Ortiz 221 6hrs 14 rbi away vs 298 8hrs 33 rbi at home (1 ab more away)
.276 career vs KC but 9-20 4hrs 9 rbi vs meche
10-33 since his return from the DL Hr 4 rbi .

So just not sure where Boston is headed offensively. The faced a high quality SP in JD on Friday and didnt do much and get a similiar one in Meche now (based on previous history vs Boston and recent form) . Boston 14 runs scored in 6 home games vs good SP minus Ponson , Eveland and Braden ...Pettitte , Joba , Weaver(fringe) , Saunders , Lackey and JD. game vs King Felix was 3-3 whenitheaded to extras to end the road trip as well.....

L16 away games for Boston faced 11 RHP .

6 10 2 @ Houston - R.hernandez , Backe and Moehler
4 1 @ TB SHields , Garza
6 1 4 @ NYY- Rasner , Moose , Joba
3 3 @ LAA - Lackey Garland
6 @ Sea - King Felix(3-3 after 9 innings)

So only 4 times did they get more then 4 runs( really 3 ) : extras vs Sea but really 3 runs in 9 innings , 6 vs Rasner and remember Damon slammed into the wall dropping the ball allowing 2 runs to score rather then ending the inning and 6 vs Runelyvs hernandez and Hous pen...plus the Backe starts

For me like KC ML and UNDER 9.5 runs ...just my opinion....and my side of the story

BOL...:cheers:spend to much time on this shit ...lol
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At least this 2 hour post paidoff ....being sick has its advantages...:36_11_6:KC 4-3:cheers:
 
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