MLB Offseason Thread

Know it's not a popular opinion but if Yanks can turn Gardner and prospects into good SP it'll make the Elsbury signing much more attractive.

Can't comment on Detroit...I've thought they were by far the best team in MLB last 3 years and they've not won a damn thing.

And Yanks still have plenty of $$$ for Cano and others...
 
monk i understand you pessimism with the tigs, i have had my fair share and we agree to disagree. i always of course would have rather seen someone else besides fister go but i dont think it hurts them long term, in fact i think it helps. moving on... this would be beautiful to me and would fly in the face of anyone saying Mr. I is cutting salary to be cheap and rebuild.

Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News reports that Shin-Soo Choo is the Tigers' "top target" as they seek a left-handed hitting outfielder.

It's become apparent that with the Prince Fielder and Doug Fister trades, the Tigers were clearing some payroll space for their next big move. Choo would certainly qualify, as he's surely going to command a contract over $100 million. The Yankees, Rangers and Mariners are three other teams known to have interest in the OBP machine.
 
So if they sign Choo they filled their biggest needs of 2B, Closer, Left Handed Reliever, get a lefty in the all RH rotation and LF; while giving up Prince when Cabrera can slide over and your top prospect is at 3rd anyway and you cant ever DH Miggy because of Victor and give up your 4th best starting pitcher.

I also think the clubhouse gets a boost with some of these guys coming over to change it up a bit, much like the Sox did last year. It could be debated Peralta and Fielder were not wanted by some players.

I am 100% on board with this if they grab Choo Choo and see no reason why they dont compete at the same or better level. Whatever was, was not working.
 
A or B
Choo LF Jackson CF
Kinsler 2B Hunter RF
Cabrera 1B Cabrera 3B
Victor DH Fielder 1B
Hunter RF Victor DH
Jackson CF Peralta LF
Castellanos 3B Avila C
Avila C Infante 2B
Iglesias SS Iglesias SS

A or B
JV JV
Max Max
Anibal Anibal
Fister Porcello
Porcello Smyly

Benoit Nathan
Rondon Rondon
Coke Krol
Albequerq Albequerq
 
Choo's a good all-around player. Would not like to see him back in the division 18-19X a year. He seemed mentally out of it his last couple seasons in Cleveland, but rebounded pretty nicely in Cincy. Hoping the Tigs don't get him.
 
Besides the length of the contract and the dollars, the other concern with Ellsbury is that he's dinged half the time. Fantasy leaguers know it as well as the Sox fans. Guy's like an Italian sports car, always in the shop getting tuned up. Knew someone would pay him, sort of surprised it was the Yankees ... I don't think Boston minds it that much.
 
MrMulligan said:
Know it's not a popular opinion but if Yanks can turn Gardner and prospects into good SP it'll make the Elsbury signing much more attractive.

Can't comment on Detroit...I've thought they were by far the best team in MLB last 3 years and they've not won a damn thing.

And Yanks still have plenty of $$$ for Cano and others...
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Reds are still interested in Gardner...u want BP?
 
Dollaz said:
I like the addition of Kazmir for 11 mil per year which is cheap for a starting pitcher. having said that, he's a huge risk.
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I'm not sure I agree:

158 IPs, 10-9, 29 starts 4.00 ERA whip of 1.30




<tbody>
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Adam Wainwright[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] St. Louis Cardinals [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 12,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 30 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Chris Carpenter[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] St. Louis Cardinals [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,941,975 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 37 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Clayton Kershaw[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Los Angeles Dodgers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] California [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,750,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 24 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Jon Lester[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Boston Red Sox [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Massachusetts [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,625,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 28 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]C.J. Wilson[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Los Angeles Angels [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] California [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 31 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Ricky Nolasco[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Miami Marlins [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Florida [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 29 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]James Shields[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Kansas City Royals [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 30 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Jorge De La Rosa[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Colorado Rockies [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Colorado [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 31 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Chad Billingsley[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Los Angeles Dodgers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] California [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 27 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Matt Garza[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Chicago Cubs [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Illinois [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 10,250,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 28 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Kyle Lohse[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Milwaukee Brewers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Wisconsin [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 10,063,922 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 34 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]David Price[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Tampa Bay Rays [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Florida [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 9,831,954 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 26 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Gavin Floyd[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Chicago White Sox [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Illinois [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 9,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 29 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Yu Darvish[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Texas Rangers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Texas [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 9,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 25 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Tim Hudson[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Atlanta Braves [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Georgia [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 9,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 36 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Anibal Sanchez[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Detroit Tigers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Michigan [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,800,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 28 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Jake Westbrook[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] St. Louis Cardinals [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,750,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 34 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Jason Vargas[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Los Angeles Angels [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] California [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 29 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Brandon Morrow[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Toronto Blue Jays [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Toronto [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 27 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Yovani Gallardo[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Milwaukee Brewers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Wisconsin [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 26 [/TD]

</tbody>
 
That was too much for Kazmir. Close observer last year. He started the season on the DL. He tossed gems or shitburgers, very few in between. Required extra rest at several points during the season. Think he's been on the DL like 10 times in 8 years. Even in this market, surprised he got that deal. Indians knew him best, and wouldn't go more than one year. And I doubt their ONE year offer was 11-million.
 
detroit187 said:
A or B
Choo LF Jackson CF
Kinsler 2B Hunter RF
Cabrera 1B Cabrera 3B
Victor DH Fielder 1B
Hunter RF Victor DH
Jackson CF Peralta LF
Castellanos 3B Avila C
Avila C Infante 2B
Iglesias SS Iglesias SS

A or B
JV JV
Max Max
Anibal Anibal
Fister Porcello
Porcello Smyly

Benoit Nathan
Rondon Rondon
Coke Krol
Albequerq Albequerq
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A for me,

you can address closer via trade...i'd rather keep fister than sign nathan
 
tipyerbartender said:
That was too much for Kazmir. Close observer last year. He started the season on the DL. He tossed gems or shitburgers, very few in between. Required extra rest at several points during the season. Think he's been on the DL like 10 times in 8 years. Even in this market, surprised he got that deal. Indians knew him best, and wouldn't go more than one year. And I doubt their ONE year offer was 11-million.
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I know he had his moments, just find it hard to believe that he would get 11 million a year, after struggling to cut it with a team 2 years prior
 
Struggling to cut it is putting it mildly. He pitched for the independent Sugar Land Skeeters in 2012. Tribe threw a dart last year.
 
guaranteeed said:
someone said they want to keep Gardner, have two guys at the top of the lineup with speed and OBP
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would provide two helluva "table setters" and defensive OFers but that would make getting Tanaka a HUGE must...maybe they know Kuroda's coming back?
 
detroit187 said:
A or B
Choo LF Jackson CF
Kinsler 2B Hunter RF
Cabrera 1B Cabrera 3B
Victor DH Fielder 1B
Hunter RF Victor DH
Jackson CF Peralta LF
Castellanos 3B Avila C
Avila C Infante 2B
Iglesias SS Iglesias SS

A or B
JV JV
Max Max
Anibal Anibal
Fister Porcello
Porcello Smyly

Benoit Nathan
Rondon Rondon
Coke Krol
Albequerq Albequerq
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B lineup and A pitching...wait, isn't that the Tigres team I've thought was far-n-away the best in MLB? I'd be concerned that Victor ain't enough to truly protect Cabrera, personally.
 
gsro said:
I'm not sure I agree:

158 IPs, 10-9, 29 starts 4.00 ERA whip of 1.30



<tbody>
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Adam Wainwright[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] St. Louis Cardinals [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 12,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 30 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Chris Carpenter[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] St. Louis Cardinals [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,941,975 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 37 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Clayton Kershaw[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Los Angeles Dodgers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] California [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,750,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 24 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Jon Lester[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Boston Red Sox [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Massachusetts [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,625,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 28 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]C.J. Wilson[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Los Angeles Angels [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] California [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 31 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Ricky Nolasco[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Miami Marlins [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Florida [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 29 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]James Shields[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Kansas City Royals [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 30 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Jorge De La Rosa[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Colorado Rockies [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Colorado [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 31 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Chad Billingsley[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Los Angeles Dodgers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] California [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 11,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 27 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Matt Garza[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Chicago Cubs [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Illinois [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 10,250,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 28 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Kyle Lohse[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Milwaukee Brewers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Wisconsin [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 10,063,922 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 34 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]David Price[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Tampa Bay Rays [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Florida [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 9,831,954 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 26 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Gavin Floyd[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Chicago White Sox [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Illinois [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 9,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 29 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Yu Darvish[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Texas Rangers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Texas [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 9,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 25 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Tim Hudson[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Atlanta Braves [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Georgia [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 9,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 36 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Anibal Sanchez[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Detroit Tigers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Michigan [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,800,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 28 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Jake Westbrook[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] St. Louis Cardinals [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Missouri [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,750,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 34 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Jason Vargas[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Los Angeles Angels [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] California [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL West [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,500,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 29 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Brandon Morrow[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Toronto Blue Jays [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Toronto [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] American League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] AL East [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 27 [/TD]

[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-player"]Yovani Gallardo[/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-team"] Milwaukee Brewers [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-position"] Starting pitcher [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-state"] Wisconsin [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-league"] National League [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-field-division"] NL Central [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb sdb-numeric sdb-field-2013salary"]$ 8,000,000 [/TD]
[TD="class: sdb-last sdb-numeric sdb-field-age"] 26 [/TD]

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Are those 2013 salaries? Some of those guys are still arbitration eligible which keeps the salary down. Or a case like Hudson that took a discount. But, the main factor is the guys that are arbitration.

Wainwright makes 19 million this year for example.
 
He signed a 5 year 80 million dollar deal (avg 16 mil). They just kept the first year low (8 mil)
 
tipyerbartender said:
That was an interesting read on the rationale in signing Kazmir. Except for this dreamer in the comments section: "I see 16-8 over 185 innings with a 3.25 ERA and 190 K’s." Little on the ambitious side, wouldn't you say?
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Yeah, I believe that's ambitious. Looking at his numbers, he suffered a bit through some bad luck. over 9 ks per 9, 2.7 bbs per 9 is fantastic. Homeruns at 1.08 is not ideal, but not terrible. Overall he had a 3.51 FIP and 3.36 xFIP.

He should benefit from being a flyball pitcher going to Oakland. He's risk is that he's an injury risk. I think it's far to pay 11 million for a starter that can give you a mid 3 ERA if healthy (which is what I would expect based on pitching in Oakland and his peripherals from a year ago...and to a lesser degree his career)

Im not sure what was going on with him from the point of him being a top propsect and pitching dominate for the Rays until last year so I'm not sure what the causes of his struggles have been. But, I do think he's a fair risk at a market derived salary. Hell, Phil Hughes got 8 million per year.
 
One question in column: Why didn’t #Tigers get more for Fister? Some GMs weren’t even aware he was available.

Why didn’t get Tigers get more for Doug Fister?
This one still has rival executives scratching their heads. Fister is one of the top 10 or 15 starting pitchers in the game, and will be quite affordable at approximately $18 million to $19 million combined in his final two years of arbitration. Yet, the Tigers parted with him for a utility infielder, Steve Lombardozzi, a promising 20-year-old left-handed reliever, Ian Krol, and a solid left-handed prospect, Robbie Ray, who could develop into a No. 3 starter.
 
Dollaz said:
Are those 2013 salaries? Some of those guys are still arbitration eligible which keeps the salary down. Or a case like Hudson that took a discount. But, the main factor is the guys that are arbitration.

Wainwright makes 19 million this year for example.
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for the sake of comparison, i compared last years stats of kazmir and compared it to last years salaries...aka to prove my point more, 8-11 million last year got you: sanchez, hudson, darvish, garza, shields, nolasco, lester, kershaw, waino...this year 11 m gets you Kaz?
 
Dollaz said:
One question in column: Why didn’t #Tigers get more for Fister? Some GMs weren’t even aware he was available.

Why didn’t get Tigers get more for Doug Fister?
This one still has rival executives scratching their heads. Fister is one of the top 10 or 15 starting pitchers in the game, and will be quite affordable at approximately $18 million to $19 million combined in his final two years of arbitration. Yet, the Tigers parted with him for a utility infielder, Steve Lombardozzi, a promising 20-year-old left-handed reliever, Ian Krol, and a solid left-handed prospect, Robbie Ray, who could develop into a No. 3 starter.
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damn, you just flat out trolling my brother, orange monk? definitely agree with the article...Fister underrated and really affordable for next 2 yrs.
 
gsro said:
for the sake of comparison, i compared last years stats of kazmir and compared it to last years salaries...aka to prove my point more, 8-11 million last year got you: sanchez, hudson, darvish, garza, shields, nolasco, lester, kershaw, waino...this year 11 m gets you Kaz?
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But, the problem is that some of those guys are arbitration eligible so it doesnt' compare to free agent salaries or guys like Waino and Sanchez that had really low salaries for 1 year and then bump up.

The better comparison is to other free agent pitchers. Unless you want to argue that they should have traded for a cost controlled pitcher, like say Fister....in which case I would support that. But by judging FA salaries, Kazmir is a solid risk/reward, imo.
 
MrMulligan said:
damn, you just flat out trolling my brother, orange monk? definitely agree with the article...Fister underrated and really affordable for next 2 yrs.
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Not intending to. I like a lot of the moves that the Tigers did. And getting someone like Choo would probably be good. And they could use the Fister money to good use. My only argument is that on paper, the trade seems like the Tigers either overvalued the prospect or overvalued the value of a utility player and a left handed middle reliever. I just find it hard to believe they couldn't get more for Fister, I haven't heard any injury concerns about him.
 
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Dollaz said:
But, the problem is that some of those guys are arbitration eligible so it doesnt' compare to free agent salaries or guys like Waino and Sanchez that had really low salaries for 1 year and then bump up.

The better comparison is to other free agent pitchers. Unless you want to argue that they should have traded for a cost controlled pitcher, like say Fister....in which case I would support that. But by judging FA salaries, Kazmir is a solid risk/reward, imo.
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even if you take out those that are arbitration eligible you still will find pitchers who out performed Kazmir for the same money....i don't think the risk reward is the same...josh johnson is a better example of a solid risk/reward compared to kazmir
 
I don't quite see it as risk/reward either. The risk is he gets hurt or sucks. The reward is that he pitches like an $11-million dollar pitcher. I mean, what does he have to do to "reward" the A's and outperform his contract ... Win 20 games? If they luck out, they get what they paid for.
 
Well, for example, if Kazmir pitches exactly like he did last year, he's relative worth salary wise (using WAR) is 12.7 million dollars.

Just go by what free agent pitchers are getting:

Haren- 10 million
Lincecum 17 million
Nolasco 12 million
Hughes 8 million

You could argue Nolasco pitched better, that could be debated, but they were fairly close. Kazmir was significantly better than those other guys.
 
I understand he pitched his way to an 11-million dollar deal, I just wouldn't be the one to give him 11-million. I saw enough red flags from the guy. Not looking, but at least half his starts had to have been five-and-flies.

I'd rather find the next Kazmir reclamation project, or trade for a friendly contract, or turn a youngster loose. Which it seems to me is what the A's usually do. I thought the A's had enough pitching in place that I wouldn't have thought they'd pay Kaz, but .... He is a lefty.
 
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Dex Fowler to the Stros, has that been posted? Condolences, Dex.
 
The reward for Kazmir contract is it's a one year deal. Team isn't locked into anything. Makes it a lot better than a 3 year 33M deal.
 
Brewers traded Aoki to KC for Will Smith.

Weird move for KC.. they have like 5 similar OF now
 
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