Week 5 Discussion

Gorgolon Lives

Gorgolon Lives

The Reverend of CTG
We finally have some clarity in the season. Here's my guesses for sharp v. square plays:

Vikings (sharp) v. GB (Square) -- Assuming Teddy plays, which he is supposed to.

Rams (sharp) v. Eagles (Square) -- Another bad spot for Philly. Coming back from the west coast, and Rams coming off bye.

Arizona (sharp) v. Denver (Square) -- Both teams off byes. Big test for AZ defense, but 7.5 seems too high here.

Washington (sharp) v. Seattle (Square) -- Just grabbing a number. Seattle off bye, but Wash also had some extra time off. Public perception low on Cousins, but I still think he can play in this league. Seattle not same on road.

Tampa (sharp) v. Saints (Square) -- I'm seeing 11 right now which is shocking. The Saints have serious problems right now. With Glennon at QB and Martin getting healthier, TB is trending upward.


I don't have any leans that stand out personally. Still early in the week. But let's start the discussion.
 
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Here are some of the lines, i'll put the rest out as they come

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[TD]461[/TD]
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[TD]463[/TD]
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[TD]465[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 8"]NFL FOOTBALL - WEEK 5[/TD]
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short week for teddy and the queens and have to travel to green bay...also banged up ankle for teddy... will likely be on that tt over for the packers...depends where they release the line for GB
 
square as hell, but i am going to keep fading hte jags until they show they can hang with a team for 4 quarters.

also, and this is just an initial thought but i know it is going to be very different than most people....but I think New Orleans rolls by 20+, and I just had tampa for big money yesterday
 
D-Woww said:
square as hell, but i am going to keep fading hte jags until they show they can hang with a team for 4 quarters.

also, and this is just an initial thought but i know it is going to be very different than most people....but I think New Orleans rolls by 20+, and I just had tampa for big money yesterday
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As soon as I saw the Pitt/Jax line, I immediately thought a 6pt teaser to PK seemed almost too good to be true.
 
gsro said:
short week for teddy and the queens and have to travel to green bay...also banged up ankle for teddy... will likely be on that tt over for the packers...depends where they release the line for GB
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Yea. I am not touching this one until Teddy is officially cleared. The coach sounded confident, but I dont believe any NFL coach nowadays.
 
braves said:
No way I'm laying the number with Pitt on the road. Jax or nothing there
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My guess is sharps get involved if/when this goes to 7. But I'm with DWow...until we see some improvements in Jax, I can't bet this team. The D has given up 30+ points in every game so far, and Gus Bradley is supposed to be a defensive coach.
 
D was actually good yesterday score could have been much worse given the field position theChargers were given on plays.
Chargers couldn't run the ball, but that may have been more the injuries they had than anything else.

I think bortles will have success in this league but he is staring down receivers right now. Had some awful interceptions in that game.
 
This is gonna be the week teaser players eyes will light up and their kids and significant others are left with IOUs for Xmas. Gonna be teaser death on this card....

if you play teasers please go buy the oil first this week if you are supposed to fry the Thanksgiving turkey.
 
emkee said:
May see NE dogged at home for the first time in forever with Brady under center.
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This line will tell us a lot...it'll almost certainly open ne -3, I would at all be surprised to see it move under the 3 with 60% of bets on Ne... We'll see

Also Cincy has to have Burfict to win this game so monitor his status
 
Agree there looks to be a lot of public death on this card, I'm trying to figure out if I grab Arizona 27/1 to win the Super Bowl now or if I wait for this week to end? I really think ARI can go to Denver and win, not likely but possible, and if that happened combined with a WAS win on Monday night I would lose a ton of value cuz ARI would have a 2-game lead on the division
 
So looking at scores and odds, bengals are anywhere from -3 to a PKU, depending on the book/casino...is that correct? Seems weird
 
I wish the Pats had kept it closer yesterday because Vegas was still lining them as an elite team prior to that game. I have a feeling that the value in fading them is pretty much gone at this point after getting humiliated in prime time. That being said, Bengals PK looks excellent to me. Not sure how the Pats are going to score and I think Cincy should be able to move the ball. The pats couldn't even move the ball on Oakland at home (a D that got torched by Houston and Miami). Bengals off a bye and Pats on a short week for a team in turmoil bodes trouble. Seems to be a lot of dissection and frustration in Foxboro as well, this season could get interesting for them.
 
Chargers run game is struggling. They had a 3-0 turnover margin last week and were only leading by 3 at the half to Jax. Jets front line could make it tough on the Rivers, he hasn't really been touched all season. Leaning towards taking the inferior team with the points.

Giants look like they are back on track, having won the last two in blowout fashion. They also have turnover margin of 9 to 2 in the last 2. Falcons defense is terrible but I think this is a game they can hang around and win. Obviously I have to look at the over, surprised it wasn't lined at 51. This is the best offense the Giants will have faced, I just keep remembering how silly the Lions made them look week 1.
 
JumpOnBoard said:
This is gonna be the week teaser players eyes will light up and their kids and significant others are left with IOUs for Xmas. Gonna be teaser death on this card....

if you play teasers please go buy the oil first this week if you are supposed to fry the Thanksgiving turkey.
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Yup, board lit up with 7's. Perfect storm...
 
Tito said:
So looking at scores and odds, bengals are anywhere from -3 to a PKU, depending on the book/casino...is that correct? Seems weird
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It may have been correct when you posted, but the line has settled into pretty much pk or Cin -1 at every spot in Vegas. There looks like 2 offshore places with Cin -1.5, but everywhere else is pk or -1 there too.
 
Updated lines with all the games...

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[TD="colspan: 8"]NFL FOOTBALL - WEEK 5[/TD]
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[TD]452[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]455[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]STL RAMS[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"][/TD]
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[TD]456[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]457[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]1:00 PM[/TD]
[TD]458[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]NY GIANTS[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]459[/TD]
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[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]1:00 PM[/TD]
[TD]460[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]NO SAINTS[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]461[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"][/TD]
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[TD]462[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]463[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]BUF BILLS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]+7-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="0_831824_7_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]o44-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="2_831824_-44_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]1:00 PM[/TD]
[TD]464[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]DET LIONS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-7-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="1_831824_-7_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]u44-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="3_831824_44_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameEven, bgcolor: #CCCCCC"]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]465[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]BAL RAVENS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]+3+110<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="0_831825_3_110">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]o48-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="2_831825_-48_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameEven, bgcolor: #CCCCCC"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]1:00 PM[/TD]
[TD]466[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]IND COLTS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-3-120<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="1_831825_-3_-120">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]u48-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="3_831825_48_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]467[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]PIT STEELERS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-6½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="0_831826_-6.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]o46½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="2_831826_-46.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]1:00 PM[/TD]
[TD]468[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]JAX JAGUARS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]+6½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="1_831826_6.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]u46½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="3_831826_46.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameEven, bgcolor: #CCCCCC"]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]469[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]ARI CARDINALS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]+7-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="0_831827_7_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]o48½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="2_831827_-48.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameEven, bgcolor: #CCCCCC"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]4:05 PM[/TD]
[TD]470[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]DEN BRONCOS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-7-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="1_831827_-7_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]u48½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="3_831827_48.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]471[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]KC CHIEFS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]+6½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="0_831828_6.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]o44½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="2_831828_-44.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]4:25 PM[/TD]
[TD]472[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]SF 49ERS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-6½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="1_831828_-6.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]u44½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="3_831828_44.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameEven, bgcolor: #CCCCCC"]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]473[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]NY JETS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]+6½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="0_831829_6.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]o43-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="2_831829_-43_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameEven, bgcolor: #CCCCCC"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]4:25 PM[/TD]
[TD]474[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]SD CHARGERS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-6½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="1_831829_-6.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]u43-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="3_831829_43_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 05[/TD]
[TD]475[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]CIN BENGALS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-1½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="0_831830_-1.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]o46-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="2_831830_-46_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
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[TR="class: TrGameOdd, bgcolor: #F4F4F4"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]8:30 PM[/TD]
[TD]476[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]NE PATRIOTS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]+1½-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="1_831830_1.5_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]u46-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="3_831830_46_-105">[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 8"]NFL GM: SPREADS - MONEY LN - TOTALS - Oct 06[/TD]
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[TR="class: GameBannerAuto, bgcolor: #ED0003"]
[TD="colspan: 8"]NFL FOOTBALL - WEEK 5[/TD]
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[TR="class: GameBannerAuto, bgcolor: #ED0003"]
[TD="colspan: 8"]MONDAY, OCTOBER 6TH[/TD]
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[TR="class: TrGameEven, bgcolor: #CCCCCC"]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Oct 06[/TD]
[TD]477[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]SEA SEAHAWKS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-7-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="0_831831_-7_-105">[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"][/TD]
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[TR="class: TrGameEven, bgcolor: #CCCCCC"]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: left"]8:30 PM[/TD]
[TD]478[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: left"]WAS REDSKINS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]+7-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="1_831831_7_-105">[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]u46-105<input type="checkbox" name="text_" value="3_831831_46_-105">

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Wave88 said:
I wish the Pats had kept it closer yesterday because Vegas was still lining them as an elite team prior to that game. I have a feeling that the value in fading them is pretty much gone at this point after getting humiliated in prime time. That being said, Bengals PK looks excellent to me. Not sure how the Pats are going to score and I think Cincy should be able to move the ball. The pats couldn't even move the ball on Oakland at home (a D that got torched by Houston and Miami). Bengals off a bye and Pats on a short week for a team in turmoil bodes trouble. Seems to be a lot of dissection and frustration in Foxboro as well, this season could get interesting for them.
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Agree with all your points, but everything lining up one way ain't good for that particular side. I will be on NE in my pool
 
I took the Saints in survivor. Haven't looked at when they play but can use Denver against Oakland at some point.
 
Pats an auto play for sure. Same scenarios as Tampa. I'll always back a seemingly shitty team that just got embarrassed in prime time and is very unpopular.

Anybody got a record for Belli in primetime games off a loss?
 
aplous said:
Survivor thoughts?


Saints at home off a loss
Denver at home off a loss and bye
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I think saints as I do not want to mess with that Arizona defense if Palmer is back after they proved they could win in hostile environments with the W @SEA last year
 
TheHbomb said:
Pats an auto play for sure. Same scenarios as Tampa. I'll always back a seemingly shitty team that just got embarrassed in prime time and is very unpopular.

Anybody got a record for Belli in primetime games off a loss?
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Its gotta be good
 
Lareux said:
It may have been correct when you posted, but the line has settled into pretty much pk or Cin -1 at every spot in Vegas. There looks like 2 offshore places with Cin -1.5, but everywhere else is pk or -1 there too.
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thanks lareux
 
TheHbomb said:
Pats an auto play for sure. Same scenarios as Tampa. I'll always back a seemingly shitty team that just got embarrassed in prime time and is very unpopular.

Anybody got a record for Belli in primetime games off a loss?
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I'm sure his record was good. That was when he had a team w talent. Not the case now.


Personally don't think the pats are an auto play and that this is the same scenario as Tampa. Pitt was beat up and likely overlooked the Bucs in one way or another. They were probably not completely ready mentally and getting focused for the game or whatever you want to call it as they should have been. Cincy comes in rested off the bye and focused. Everyone gets up for going against these guys, especially now that they are prime to be knocked down. Bengals or no play, if I play it
 
It's frustrating that Minny line got hit down to 9, likely by sharps. Teddy is still in question, but I guess they think (or know somehow) that he will play. Cannot back Ponder at any number, so I gotta wait. But not sure we will see 10 again
 
Gorgolon Lives said:
It's frustrating that Minny line got hit down to 9, likely by sharps. Teddy is still in question, but I guess they think (or know somehow) that he will play. Cannot back Ponder at any number, so I gotta wait. But not sure we will see 10 again
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It looks like you can get +10(-20) at 5Dimes if you want it.
 
I would generally really like the patriots as well but that trend that he posted is pretty scary
 
D-Woww said:
I would generally really like the patriots as well but that trend that he posted is pretty scary
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but match it up with the other trend of cinci/marvin coming off byes. 4-7

The questions i would ask based on that trend is -

- did that team win or lose the game outright? (and just lose vs spread)
- Were they home games?
- What did they do in the first game of the b2b? win or lose
- i would also ask what were those spreads?
- home underdog?

You can ask many questions to every trend, but on this trend i think there are way too many questions
 
Chicago was in the same position (back to back mon/sun night games) last week and won at the Jets.
 
Patriots would usually be an auto bet for me off a bad loss, but I'll wait and see if this "collapse" is real or not. Brady looked awful and that O-line looked bad. McDaniels called a poor game as well.
 
Gorgolon Lives said:
Patriots would usually be an auto bet for me off a bad loss, but I'll wait and see if this "collapse" is real or not. Brady looked awful and that O-line looked bad. McDaniels called a poor game as well.
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I definitely think it's real. When you look at the roster, what about it makes them an elite team? I would argue that they do not have a single elite unit on the roster. Brady aside (I think the end is finally near, but many will disagree), they have a terrible OLine, below average wide receivers, average-at-best running backs. The defense is pretty average as well. I guess I am missing what others are seeing to assume this team can turn it around. I don't feel I am overreacting, as I had them pegged for a regression year (especially with the offseason moves) and they have not passed the eye test of a good team in any of their 4 contests. I think Belli knows it too, as trading Mankins for a middle round pick and drafting a QB in the 2nd isn't exactly a vote of confidence in the current team. GL to those who still have faith, just not seeing it.
 
Wave88 said:
I definitely think it's real. When you look at the roster, what about it makes them an elite team? I would argue that they do not have a single elite unit on the roster. Brady aside (I think the end is finally near, but many will disagree), they have a terrible OLine, below average wide receivers, average-at-best running backs. The defense is pretty average as well. I guess I am missing what others are seeing to assume this team can turn it around. I don't feel I am overreacting, as I had them pegged for a regression year (especially with the offseason moves) and they have not passed the eye test of a good team in any of their 4 contests. I think Belli knows it too, as trading Mankins for a middle round pick and drafting a QB in the 2nd isn't exactly a vote of confidence in the current team. GL to those who still have faith, just not seeing it.
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i dont disagree with anything you have written. For this one game i like the pats to win and thats all i need..(spread wise)and hope)
 
TheCashMan said:
cinci/marvin coming off byes. 4-7
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SU:4-6-1 (-0.09, 40.0%)
ATS:5-6-0 (1.82, 45.5%) avg line: 1.9
O/U:7-4-0 (3.91, 63.6%) avg total: 42.9

<tbody>
</tbody>

DateDayWeek
SundayBengalsRavenshome34-26WWO
SundayBengalsBrownsaway17-34LLO
SundayBengalsColtshome37-45LLO
SundayBengalsBuccaneersaway13-14LLU
SundayBengalsChiefsaway20-27LLO
SundayBengalsEagleshome13-13PWU
SundayBengalsRavenshome17-7WWU
SundayBengalsFalconsaway32-39LLO
SundayBengalsSeahawksaway34-12WWO
SundayBengalsBroncoshome23-31LLO
SundayBengalsChargersaway17-10WWU
SundayBengalsPatriotsaway

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[TD="width: 51"]Season[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]Team[/TD]
[TD="width: 77"]Opp[/TD]
[TD="width: 43"]Site[/TD]
[TD="width: 40"]Final[/TD]
[TD="width: 33"]Line[/TD]
[TD="width: 38"]Total[/TD]
[TD="width: 28"]SUr[/TD]
[TD="width: 35"]ATSr[/TD]
[TD="width: 31"]OUr[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]19-Oct-03[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2003[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.5[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]17-Oct-04[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2004[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]20-Nov-05[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47.5[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]15-Oct-06[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]-4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]14-Oct-07[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]-2.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41.5[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]16-Nov-08[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2008[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]8-Nov-09[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2009[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44.5[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]24-Oct-10[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2010[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]4.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]30-Oct-11[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]-2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]4-Nov-12[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2012[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47.5[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]1-Dec-13[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]-1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48.5[/TD]

[TD="class: xl63, align: right"]5-Oct-14[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]-1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46[/TD]

</tbody>
 
Marvin Lewis has held his position of head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals since January 14, 2003, making him the 2nd longest tenured head coach in the NFL behind New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick.
 
Jason McIntyre ‏@jasonrmcintyre 23h23 hours ago
Bengals 4-7 post-bye games under Marvin. #1 in all dumb NFL power rankings. Pats hot garbage, Brady done, no OL, can't stop run.
Pats +1.5?

from the link that dwowww posted...
 
C-MAN said:
Chicago was in the same position (back to back mon/sun night games) last week and won at the Jets.
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true, but were basically gifted a win with a first-drive pick-6 then a fumbled punt/bs pass interference that gave a second TD
 
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