Super Bowl discussion

[TheGarfather]

Apologies if this was stated earlier in the thread, but who which crew will be officiating (is it known yet?) and what are they known for?

 

[nbafan88]

Apologies if this was stated earlier in the thread, but who which crew will be officiating (is it known yet?) and what are they known for?

This year's Super Bowl will have a veteran presence in charge, as referee Terry McAulay will take the lead, according to Pro Football Talk. McAulay was the referee for Super Bowls XXXIX (Eagles-Patriots) and XLIII (Cardinals-Steelers) and has also worked six conference championship games. His most recent job was the Seahawks' divisional round win over the Saints. He has worked 14 total playoff games in his NFL career.




McAulay has been an NFL referee since 1998. He was also a referee for the BCS National Championship Game that same year. His crew for the upcoming Super Bowl will feature Carl Paganelli (umpire), Jim Mello (head linesman), Tom Symonette (line judge), Scott Steenson (field judge), Dave Wyant (side judge) and Steve Freeman (back judge). Paganelli has worked with McAulay in a previous Super Bowl. He has worked four of the championship games during his career.



no idea if there are any biases

 

[JumpOnBoard]

[h=2]INDUSTRY REPORT: SUPERBOWL XLVIII[/h]

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The Superbowl match-up is set; we’ll soon know everything about the players, coaches, trainers, wives, girlfriends, mistresses, and a variety of even more nonsense connected to the Broncos or Seahawks franchise in some capacity. Let’s be real, numbers are what matters most on the biggest gambling day in our fine country. It’s time for a little crash course to get you ready for everyone’s favorite unofficial holiday.
Opening Line
With almost an entire season in the books, you’d think every oddsmaker would have similar power ratings for pricing a game between the best teams in each conference. Oh contraire, that's far from the case as we witnessed a myriad of opening lines from some of the most prominent books both here in Las Vegas and in the islands. The LVH, widely regarded as Vegas’ sharpest book, opened Seattle -2 and BetCRIS, a prominent offshore shop, shared similar sentiment using Seattle -1.5. However Pinnacle, widely known for taking some of the largest wagers, used PK (just pick the winner) and Stations Casinos here in Vegas catering to more recreational bettors followed suit. I know what you’re all thinking, why is this important to me now because all I care about is the line as of today. Denver is currently listed as a 2.5 pt favorite having seen a substantial swell of support from both the public and professional bettors since the market opened.
Changing Perception
It’s interesting to see how a single dominating performance against the Patriots changed the perception of the Broncos in the eyes of the betting public. Each of the last two weeks oddsmakers found themselves rooting for Manning’s Broncos to cover when matched up against the Patriots & Chargers. However, in the Superbowl they’ll be rooting against Peyton winning his second ring. “We had a great result in the AFC championship because more than 70% of the cash on the spread came in on New England and 65% of all moneyline bets (team to win straight up) were on them as well,” Mike Perry of Sportsbook.ag told me.
Dave Mason, head of marketing and business development for Betonline.ag offered interesting theories regarding bettors changing stance on the game; “We had the Broncos -1 over the Seahawks last week and actually opened our final game market at PK for next week. Early bettors pounded the Broncos driving it out to -2.5 where we sit right now. I think the early bettors were definitely influenced by the weekend’s results. I mean we had this match-up posted last week with Denver -1 and 78% of the cash was coming in on Seattle whereas now it’s been a complete role reversal.”
Where’s the Money
The majority of money wagered here in Nevada hits the sportsbooks balance sheets in the 48 hours leading up to kickoff. Offshore books are a slightly different phenomenon but for a game like this early wagering patterns are indicative of the public’s stance. Both Perry and Mason reported roughly 75% of the early action is backing the Broncos and the league’s top ranked offense. Perry shared that he was surprised by the big disparity in early bets but anticipated his book would be Seahawks fans simply because “bettors like a great offense more than they do a great defense.”
The Closing Bell
I’ve said since the market opened that making a case for either team at +3 in this game made sense if the line ever climbed to a field goal. There’s no reason for me to waiver from that prediction now when you consider for all the talent on both rosters, weather along with other hard to ignore handicapping elements will be present. Seattle away from home? Not the same team. Peyton playing in frigid weather (despite what he says)? Not the same quarterback. X-factor? Percy Harvin's health. Every angle will be dissected leading up to kickoff, none more so than where this number will eventually close on gameday.
Perry and Mason may normally be in the same boat but there was disagreement on where each believed the number will close at his respective shop. Perry indicated he thinks Sportsbook.ag closes Denver -3 where Mason anticipated Seahawk money will come in late forcing them to close Denver -1.5 or -2. In regards to the future book, both operators would love for the Lombardi trophy to head out to the Pacific Northwest on the evening of February 2nd, after all sportsbooks aren't in business to lose money.

 

[KowboyKarl]

Surprised no talk of this here...


Super Bowl Saturday (or another day) a possibility if weather doesn't cooperate

Keith Sargeant , USA TODAY Sports


EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — Super Bowl Saturday? If the idea of Super Bowl XLVIII being played a day earlier than Sunday, Feb. 2, or even the next evening, seems preposterous, it could happen if a massive snow storm is forecasted for northern New Jersey that weekend.

NFL officials on Wednesday conceded that contingency plans call for the championship game to be played at any point between Friday, Jan. 31 and Monday, Feb. 3 at MetLife Stadium.

The good news is Eric Grubman, the NFL's vice president for business operations, said if the kind of storm that dumped more than a foot of snow on most of New Jersey on Tuesday is forecasted for Super Bowl Sunday, the game would likely go off at its scheduled kickoff time of 6:30 p.m.

In other words, it would take an even bigger storm to alter the kickoff time for the first cold-weather Super Bowl played at an outdoor venue.

"What goes into whether deciding to (move) it, first of all, is public safety," Grubman said Wednesday in a news conference at MetLife Stadium, where thousands of workers removed snow from the bleachers and field. "Unless it was a state of emergency which affected public resources in a way that made it impossible to get the resources here, or any kind of declaration by any of the authorities from the states involved that made it difficult to travel safety to and from the stadium, we would absolutely respect that."

The Super Bowl Sunday weather forecast, according to Accuweather.com, calls for a 30-percent chance of snow or rain, with a high temperature of 40 degrees and low of 25, and 6-to-12 mph winds.

While that's not the kind of forecast that would prompt the NFL to reschedule a game anticipated to draw in more than 110 million TV viewers, it's certainly not ideal conditions for the 80,000 fans in attendance.

And that's why NFL officials unveiled a "warm welcome" seat cushion to be distributed at the game, kit that includes: lip balm, ear muffs, hat, mittens, cup holder, Gaiter-dana scarf, tissues, a radio to listen to the game, six hand warmers and a quarterback-style hand muff.

"In quite a number of these Super Bowls we've handed out these seat cushions, which have been great souvenirs," Grubman said. "But this is part of our 'Embrace the cold' (theme)."

While New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie called for state of emergency on Tuesday afternoon, Grubman said NFL officials used Wednesday as "a dress rehearsal" for readying MetLife Stadium in the wake of a snowstorm.

"At 7 o'clock this morning they put themselves on the clock," Grubman said of MetLife Stadium officials. "They are running about an 18-hour allotted amount of time, and we have people watching, evaluating and grading, so we're treating this as if it's pregame and we have to get the bowl cleared."

All of that meant snow needed to be removed both inside the stadium via the shoveling of hundreds of volunteer workers and outside in the parking lots, sidewalks and tent areas.

"A weather event of this magnitude is something that really tests people," Grubman said. "Not so much in, 'Can we get it done?' But more in getting it done in the way we imagined. Yes, we're taking it as a dress rehearsal but I'm not wishing for another snowstorm."

Another question is what contingency plans are in place for the events surrounding the Super Bowl, such as a Kickoff Concert featuring the Goo Goo Dolls, Chris Daughtry and The Fray at Liberty State Park in Jersey City on Monday and Media Day on Tuesday at the Prudential Center in Newark.

"I think that the various events that we have are going off without a hitch and in fact have already begun because staging this stadium is an event in and of itself," Grubman said. "We don't have a crystal ball on weather, but we're confident we'll be able to have our events."

 

[nbafan88]

Brandon Jacobs called Jim Harbaugh a bitch on the radio. It was hilarious.


When Craig carton asked him again how he felt about Harbaugh, he said Harbaugh is a bitch and that's why he'll never win

 

[cogenman]

Surprised no talk of this here...


Super Bowl Saturday (or another day) a possibility if weather doesn't cooperate

Keith Sargeant , USA TODAY Sports


EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — Super Bowl Saturday? If the idea of Super Bowl XLVIII being played a day earlier than Sunday, Feb. 2, or even the next evening, seems preposterous, it could happen if a massive snow storm is forecasted for northern New Jersey that weekend.

NFL officials on Wednesday conceded that contingency plans call for the championship game to be played at any point between Friday, Jan. 31 and Monday, Feb. 3 at MetLife Stadium.

The good news is Eric Grubman, the NFL's vice president for business operations, said if the kind of storm that dumped more than a foot of snow on most of New Jersey on Tuesday is forecasted for Super Bowl Sunday, the game would likely go off at its scheduled kickoff time of 6:30 p.m.

In other words, it would take an even bigger storm to alter the kickoff time for the first cold-weather Super Bowl played at an outdoor venue.

"What goes into whether deciding to (move) it, first of all, is public safety," Grubman said Wednesday in a news conference at MetLife Stadium, where thousands of workers removed snow from the bleachers and field. "Unless it was a state of emergency which affected public resources in a way that made it impossible to get the resources here, or any kind of declaration by any of the authorities from the states involved that made it difficult to travel safety to and from the stadium, we would absolutely respect that."

The Super Bowl Sunday weather forecast, according to Accuweather.com, calls for a 30-percent chance of snow or rain, with a high temperature of 40 degrees and low of 25, and 6-to-12 mph winds.

While that's not the kind of forecast that would prompt the NFL to reschedule a game anticipated to draw in more than 110 million TV viewers, it's certainly not ideal conditions for the 80,000 fans in attendance.

And that's why NFL officials unveiled a "warm welcome" seat cushion to be distributed at the game, kit that includes: lip balm, ear muffs, hat, mittens, cup holder, Gaiter-dana scarf, tissues, a radio to listen to the game, six hand warmers and a quarterback-style hand muff.

"In quite a number of these Super Bowls we've handed out these seat cushions, which have been great souvenirs," Grubman said. "But this is part of our 'Embrace the cold' (theme)."

While New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie called for state of emergency on Tuesday afternoon, Grubman said NFL officials used Wednesday as "a dress rehearsal" for readying MetLife Stadium in the wake of a snowstorm.

"At 7 o'clock this morning they put themselves on the clock," Grubman said of MetLife Stadium officials. "They are running about an 18-hour allotted amount of time, and we have people watching, evaluating and grading, so we're treating this as if it's pregame and we have to get the bowl cleared."

All of that meant snow needed to be removed both inside the stadium via the shoveling of hundreds of volunteer workers and outside in the parking lots, sidewalks and tent areas.

"A weather event of this magnitude is something that really tests people," Grubman said. "Not so much in, 'Can we get it done?' But more in getting it done in the way we imagined. Yes, we're taking it as a dress rehearsal but I'm not wishing for another snowstorm."

Another question is what contingency plans are in place for the events surrounding the Super Bowl, such as a Kickoff Concert featuring the Goo Goo Dolls, Chris Daughtry and The Fray at Liberty State Park in Jersey City on Monday and Media Day on Tuesday at the Prudential Center in Newark.

"I think that the various events that we have are going off without a hitch and in fact have already begun because staging this stadium is an event in and of itself," Grubman said. "We don't have a crystal ball on weather, but we're confident we'll be able to have our events."

All new stadiums in cold weather places going forward should be mandatory to build a retractable roof with it. I can't believe the NFL brass didn't think of shit like this. Maybe they did, and were just crossing their fingers. The new Niners stadium in Santa Clara will be a great spot for future super bowls. 70 degrees weather today.

 

[JumpOnBoard]

All new stadiums in cold weather places going forward should be mandatory to build a retractable roof with it. I can't believe the NFL brass didn't think of shit like this. Maybe they did, and were just crossing their fingers. The new Niners stadium in Santa Clara will be a great spot for future super bowls. 70 degrees weather today.

2016 super bowl is there

 

[nbafan88]

All new stadiums in cold weather places going forward should be mandatory to build a retractable roof with it. I can't believe the NFL brass didn't think of shit like this. Maybe they did, and were just crossing their fingers. The new Niners stadium in Santa Clara will be a great spot for future super bowls. 70 degrees weather today.

Absolutely not. All indoor stadiums should be banned from ever being built again. Football is meant to be played outdoors. If you're going to change the sport to make the experience better for your fans and raise revenue, you are essentially killing the true fabric of the sport.

 

[KowboyKarl]

Brandon Jacobs has no warm feelings for Jim Harbaugh

Posted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2014, 10:21 AM EST


Running back Brandon Jacobs has retired from the NFL so he doesn’t have to worry about remaining in the good graces of anyone who might think about hiring him in the future.

Or anyone who hired him in the past, for that matter. Jacobs spent a frustrating 2012 season as a member of the 49ers that saw him spend most of his time on the inactive list before getting suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. Jacobs, who was released at the start of the 49ers’ playoff run and returned to the Giants in 2013, had tweeted something about hating your boss before his suspension.

He said at the time that he wasn’t talking about 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh and insisted during a Thursday interview on WFAN that he was always respectful toward Harbaugh while he was in San Francisco, but retirement seems to have loosened his tongue.

“He is a bitch, and that’s why he’s never won anything,” Jacobs said. “It is what it is. I’ve got two rings. Harbaugh, though, he’s a bitch. So it doesn’t matter.”

Jacobs frequently shared exactly what was on his mind during his Giants career, whether through his comments or through a toss of his helmet. It doesn’t look like he’ll be changing course now that he’s hung up that helmet.

 

[nbafan88]

It was truly jawdropping listening to him say that. Loved the interview.

 

[JumpOnBoard]

Absolutely not. All indoor stadiums should be banned from ever being built again. Football is meant to be played outdoors. If you're going to change the sport to make the experience better for your fans and raise revenue, you are essentially killing the true fabric of the sport.

well the super bowl is alot more than football in reality..it's a corporate event

 

[cudder]

Brandon Jacobs can barely read

 

[KowboyKarl]

Brandon Jacobs can barely read

Who reads more better? Gore or Jacobs?

 

[nbafan88]

Jacobs lol. Have you heard Gore speak?

 

[nbafan88]

well the super bowl is alot more than football in reality..it's a corporate event

Yea.... Unfortunately

 

[JumpOnBoard]

Who reads more better? Gore or Jacobs?

my vote is for jamaal charles

 

[KowboyKarl]

Jacobs lol. Have you heard Gore speak?

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[KowboyKarl]

my vote is for jamaal charles

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[Joe Public]

The weather thing is so ridiculous to me. The only reason the idea of having a Super Bowl outdoors in February in a cold weather city wasn't laughed out of the room is because the NFL sold it with a straight face. And they sold this load of shit on the public simply because they knew they could and because, as usual, there was a shit-ton of money involved.

I get that it's football. I get that there are elements you have to deal with. But that's why you win HFA. That's why the Raiders & their fans hate the Tuck Rule to this day. Because if that game is played in Oakland NE probably never goes to the SB. But there was snow, and bullshit, and that's the whole point of winning your conference.

The idea of the SB is to get the two best teams—or the two teams that could put together the best seasons—together on a neutral field to find out who's best. Not who's best in the snow or the rain or at 15 degrees. That's like saying, 'Well, let's have shitty refs for the game and see which team overcomes it. You know, just for the hell of it.'

It's ridiculous. Let's put them on an island in Fiji known for its tropical storms in February. Or, fuck it, let's do it in Calgary in the dead of winter when there's no fucking sun.

You don't play 18/19 games all year to end up playing in a monsoon or at 20 degrees. You do it so you can have that opportunity to play your best game on the biggest stage under perfect conditions.

And that's before you mention all the corporate assholes you're now forcing to sit out in the cold for four hour—wait, that part may not be such a bad thing.

=)

 

[SIGO]

Agree 100% Joe. Great post

=)

 

[KowboyKarl]

Joe on point

 

[emkee]

Who reads more better? Gore or Jacobs?

Chris Johnson.

 

[emkee]

The weather thing is so ridiculous to me. The only reason the idea of having a Super Bowl outdoors in February in a cold weather city wasn't laughed out of the room is because the NFL sold it with a straight face. And they sold this load of shit on the public simply because they knew they could and because, as usual, there was a shit-ton of money involved.

I get that it's football. I get that there are elements you have to deal with. But that's why you win HFA. That's why the Raiders & their fans hate the Tuck Rule to this day. Because if that game is played in Oakland NE probably never goes to the SB. But there was snow, and bullshit, and that's the whole point of winning your conference.

The idea of the SB is to get the two best teams—or the two teams that could put together the best seasons—together on a neutral field to find out who's best. Not who's best in the snow or the rain or at 15 degrees. That's like saying, 'Well, let's have shitty refs for the game and see which team overcomes it. You know, just for the hell of it.'

It's ridiculous. Let's put them on an island in Fiji known for its tropical storms in February. Or, fuck it, let's do it in Calgary in the dead of winter when there's no fucking sun.

You don't play 18/19 games all year to end up playing in a monsoon or at 20 degrees. You do it so you can have that opportunity to play your best game on the biggest stage under perfect conditions.

And that's before you mention all the corporate assholes you're now forcing to sit out in the cold for four hour—wait, that part may not be such a bad thing.

=)

This.

 

[aplous]

Come on Jump....Charles is a Mensa member compared to Gore.....

 

[KowboyKarl]

Chris Johnson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN0Hpt1oEP8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[cogenman]

The weather thing is so ridiculous to me. The only reason the idea of having a Super Bowl outdoors in February in a cold weather city wasn't laughed out of the room is because the NFL sold it with a straight face. And they sold this load of shit on the public simply because they knew they could and because, as usual, there was a shit-ton of money involved.

I get that it's football. I get that there are elements you have to deal with. But that's why you win HFA. That's why the Raiders & their fans hate the Tuck Rule to this day. Because if that game is played in Oakland NE probably never goes to the SB. But there was snow, and bullshit, and that's the whole point of winning your conference.

The idea of the SB is to get the two best teams—or the two teams that could put together the best seasons—together on a neutral field to find out who's best. Not who's best in the snow or the rain or at 15 degrees. That's like saying, 'Well, let's have shitty refs for the game and see which team overcomes it. You know, just for the hell of it.'

It's ridiculous. Let's put them on an island in Fiji known for its tropical storms in February. Or, fuck it, let's do it in Calgary in the dead of winter when there's no fucking sun.

You don't play 18/19 games all year to end up playing in a monsoon or at 20 degrees. You do it so you can have that opportunity to play your best game on the biggest stage under perfect conditions.

And that's before you mention all the corporate assholes you're now forcing to sit out in the cold for four hour—wait, that part may not be such a bad thing.

=)

Good post. Totally agree. This bullshit about it should be played in the elements is ok to an extent, but not in a fucking blizzard.

 

[austinhous]

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[KJ]

^^

That's a 2 game sample size and Seattle played against the #2 and #4 ranked pass defenses in the NFL while the Pats were below average and the Chargers were near the bottom. I would expect those numbers, the defenses that Manning played against weren't really built to get their hands on him.

 

[austinhous]

I think they even out by the end of the season.

 

[emkee]

Percy gonna play. Passed concussion protocol.

 

[Lareux]

Who reads more better? Gore or Jacobs?

More better? lol

 

[KowboyKarl]

More better? lol

Ummmm yeah...part of the joke bruh lol

 

[Lareux]

Ummmm yeah...part of the joke bruh lol

:shake:

 

[cogenman]

Damn line won't budge off 2.5 for me. Want 3 bad with Seattle. You guys think it goes up or down? I have a feeling it goes down so I'm thinking about just locking it in now.

 

[Lareux]

Damn line won't budge off 2.5 for me. Want 3 bad with Seattle. You guys think it goes up or down? I have a feeling it goes down so I'm thinking about just locking it in now.

If you like Seattle, there's no reason to lock it in now imo. If it gets to 3, which is what you're hoping for, then you're golden. If it goes down to 2, or even 1, there isn't much difference there so why not wait? I'm assuming those who like Seattle think they are going to win the game, so unless you're getting 3, I just don't see the point in locking it in now.

 

[malapeet]

My book's line hasn't really moved the line much. The money line however has been dropping and I wish I jumped on it earlier.

Seattle's D line will dominate the broncos O-line. Seattle's D doesn't line up with exotic looks. They bring pressure with their base front, and hold coverage with their DB's. Nothing fancy, but effective enough to rank #1. This game will be decided on how Manning moves guys around, reads the base D, and find the small holes that are available to him. He gets the ball out quick, but will still be pressured/hit. He's the best at manipulating the D by creating mismatches by movement, and using the hurry-up.

The real question is - what happens when Seattle has the ball? Can Denver stop Lynch? IDK if they can. Maybe for most of the game they will. All Wilson has to do, is what he's been doing - just enough to win. We all know he hasn't been spectacular these last few weeks. Can they stop him when he gets out of the pocket and makes those badass plays that he's capable of? With Harvin back I think Denver's D is in trouble. Everyone is talking about the number one offense vs the number one defense. Again..... The real question is what happens when Seattle has the ball?

Weather is definitely gonna change everything. I think bad weather definitely puts things in Seattle's D's favor.


That being said.... As a Niner fan..... I hope Denver destroys Seattle. As a gambler, I like Seattle.

 

[austinhous]

There is no way I would place a bet based on the Bronco's top 10 run defense.

 

[aplous]

My line is back to 1.5 from 2.5....it might have peaked folks. RJ Boob article on Grantland says his "wise guy friends" aka his dog....say the game will be a pick em by kickoff.

 

[Gorgolon Lives]

My book is at 2...There is no way this gets to 3 at any point, right?

 

[cogenman]

If you like Seattle, there's no reason to lock it in now imo. If it gets to 3, which is what you're hoping for, then you're golden. If it goes down to 2, or even 1, there isn't much difference there so why not wait? I'm assuming those who like Seattle think they are going to win the game, so unless you're getting 3, I just don't see the point in locking it in now.

True. I'm going to hang tight for now. I just hate when a line goes the other way from me. I'll at least wait till it drops to 2, hopefully it'll go to 3 before that though.

 

[ras2525]

Will the fact that no one on Sea has Super Bowl experience be a factor? Denver only has 4 players with it so maybe it's a moot point.

 

[Detox]

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[Detox]

from blankets ^.

that's a big gap.

 

[Detox]

Any guesses on the line? Think it gets above 3?

 

[aplous]

No...I'd be surprised if it hits 3 -110

 

[spanishshark]

Vegas would be stupid to make it 3. They'll get killed with teasers.

 

[The Capping Genius]

Please let this number get to -4. Please.

This game will never fall within the number Joe. Probably not even within any teaser. You have the right bet in already. The only jinx you will get is if you play on Seattle...
:shake:

 

[D-Woww]

Heres a tip for anyone who likes DEN in the SB: parlay the ML with Nadal tonight at -103. Takes away the chance of losing w a 1-2 pt Den win

 

[KowboyKarl]

Heres a tip for anyone who likes DEN in the SB: parlay the ML with Nadal tonight at -103. Takes away the chance of losing w a 1-2 pt Den win

Or Seahawks bettors +3/3.5 with Nadal.

 

[D-Woww]

Or Seahawks bettors +3/3.5 with Nadal.

Yea im on the hawks im just sayin its a great idea for a small fav. Nothing worse than losing a -2 wager bc your team wins by 1