Selection Sunday In-Game Thread

[2daBank]

I don’t get the outrage for smu getting in. The biggest joke and 2nd biggest joke are Iu and pen st, did either one those losers beat a team with more than 6 wins? So the new blueprint is just play nobody! That will make the 1st 3 weeks awesome! Pen st offense did kinda shock me yesterday but I have a feeling they asked ducks to make them look decent. Those 2 clown teams didht best one ranked team combined that im aware of. If Iu is one the best 12 teams than we have a huge problem! What a joke, beat a bunch of 6 wins teams. The only ranked team you play you can’t move the ball and congrats you in. Why would any team ever schedule anyone out of conf when a loser team like IU gets rewarded for beating a bunch of trash?

 

[2daBank]

I rather watch the simpsons play than Iu fraud asses

 

[2daBank]

And they get to play a team who lost to a mac team! Lmfao. At least ND played Texas am I guess

 

[2daBank]

South Carolina would be favs over and smash IU at any venue. Of course so would bama, ol miss, and prob 10 other teams who got left out. I’d take cuse over IU, Miami having to play at cuse was a tougher game than any game Iu played outside osu where they couldn’t move the ball. Iu getting in the biggest joke of this whole thing with pen st being a close 2nd but the playoff was basically made for pen st to get in while never beating anyone. Iu just copied their formula. Play nobody, get smashed the 1 time you play a team w more than 6 wins and you in!

 

[CPA-hole]

Indiana schedules to get bowl eligible not to impress the Playoff committee. Also not their fault they didn't play Oregon or Penn St. Also not their fault Michigan stunk.

42-13
42-28
41-24
56-7
31-17
47-10
20-15
66-0.

Yes alot of those were bad B1G teams. But dominate none the less.

Indiana can't just call up LSU and say hey let's play a game in Las Vegas, like USC can. Maybe after this year they can.

I'm not trying to defend them being in. I do believe they belong in over SMU. But alot of their scheduling wasn't their fault.

Thry have ONE 8 win season since 1993. So for them making the Quick Lane Bowl is their goal most years. Just so happens they caught lightning in the bottle this year.

 

[CPA-hole]

And yes it seems like the committee rewarded the teams for wins and not SOS and that sucks.

I was hoping with a 12 team playoff we would see more non-con games in Sept like LSU/USC UGA/Clemson where you aren't punished for losing.

But it seems clear from yesterday, that these games will start going by the waste side if only wins, no matter against whom, take president.

 

[gps_3]

Ari Wasserman had a pretty good explanation last week. Basically, if you are going to have a weak schedule, you have to go 11-1 or whatever. If you have a tough schedule, you can have multiple losses and still be considered. And I think that's probably the best we can hope for with the unbalanced scheduling. But that's not what we got with the committee's final ranking. They sent a clear message that record is the main thing that matters, no matter how you get there. Leaving Alabama out of it, think about if Clemson had played two MAC teams instead of UGA and South Carolina. They would have not had to sweat the ACC Championship game at all. Scheduling tough non-conference games would have kept them out had they not won Saturday night. But SMU, Penn St, Texas, Indiana, Tennessee, and Ohio St were all comfortably in based on doing well enough in conference with middling to poor non-conference schedules

 

[survive&advance]

It’s not worth the risk if it won’t be rewarded is the point. The committee told everyone that there is no benefit to playing a harder schedule. Teams can’t control their conference schedule, but they can control the non-conference, so they’re more likely to just schedule easy wins moving forward. You can lose all your games against good teams and get in the playoff (Texas, Penn St, Indiana, SMU) as long as you can beat a bunch of scrubs. This isn’t hard to understand

they definitely didn't do that this year! what a gauntlet of Western Kentucky, USF, Wisconsin, and Mercer that was

 

[gps_3]

they definitely didn't do that this year! what a gauntlet of Western Kentucky, USF, Wisconsin, and Mercer that was

No it wasn't an issue this season. But we have Wisconsin, FSU, Ohio St, Oklahoma St, Notre Dame, and more on the schedule in years to come. There really isn't any reason to play those games because the benefit of winning them doesn't outweigh the penalty for losing. Going 4-0 in OOC games no matter who it is is far more beneficial than playing games that could be losses.

My solution is that to be eligible for the CFP, you have to play p4 teams in the non-conference. Whether that's 1, 2 or all of them can be debated

 

[Frank Costanza]

Thats because Ewers is trash.

He's been okay, certainly not great. Just okay.

The team has bigger issues - primarily the offensive line, not being buttoned up (penalties) and especially, not-so-special teams. Can't punt and can't rely upon the FG kicker. Auburn was much better as a walk-on, and then he got a scholarship and things have gone south on his reliability.

 

[gps_3]

And while I think the OU loss is inexcusable and should never have happened, OU is likely much better than their record says. Here is who they lost to:

#3
#7
#14
#15
#19
8-4 LSU

Not sure some of the playoff teams do much better than 6-6 either

 

[survive&advance]

No it wasn't an issue this season. But we have Wisconsin, FSU, Ohio St, Oklahoma St, Notre Dame, and more on the schedule in years to come. There really isn't any reason to play those games because the benefit of winning them doesn't outweigh the penalty for losing. Going 4-0 in OOC games no matter who it is is far more beneficial than playing games that could be losses.

My solution is that to be eligible for the CFP, you have to play p4 teams in the non-conference. Whether that's 1, 2 or all of them can be debated

Your solution makes sense. I don't fully believe "the benefit of winning doesn't outweigh the penalty for losing" overall. It was the case this year but I don't think it's necessarily the criteria from the past or future. There are a lot of factors in play that are evaluated, overall I think the committee has gotten the CFP right every single year

 

[Tin&Lint]

My solution is that to be eligible for the CFP, you have to play p4 teams in the non-conference. Whether that's 1, 2 or all of them can be debated

That’s it exactly, but with Notre Dame and variation between conferences, phrase it the other way: “To be eligible for the CFP, you have to play 9 P4 teams”. Or 8, or 11, or 12. Any consistent number.

Here’s how many P4 opponents the current playoff teams played (excluding CCGs). Alabama played 9.

10 P4 Games:
Georgia
Penn St
SMU
Arizona St
Clemson

9 P4 Games:
Oregon
Texas
Ohio St
Tennessee
Indiana

8 P4 Games:
Notre Dame

1 P4 Game:
Boise St

 

[B.A.R.]

Indiana schedules to get bowl eligible not to impress the Playoff committee. Also not their fault they didn't play Oregon or Penn St. Also not their fault Michigan stunk.

42-13
42-28
41-24
56-7
31-17
47-10
20-15
66-0.

Yes alot of those were bad B1G teams. But dominate none the less.

Indiana can't just call up LSU and say hey let's play a game in Las Vegas, like USC can. Maybe after this year they can.

I'm not trying to defend them being in. I do believe they belong in over SMU. But alot of their scheduling wasn't their fault.

Thry have ONE 8 win season since 1993. So for them making the Quick Lane Bowl is their goal most years. Just so happens they caught lightning in the bottle this year.

Good post.

Nothing they could do TBH.

Yes, OSU best them but that's in reality a 24-10 game without some weirdness and end of game BS tuddy's both ways.

 

[B.A.R.]

This is going to be very fluid UNTIL we get a final product re: the playoff.

The following needs to happen...

1. Super Conferences all squared away

2. ND to join ACC or BIG.

3. All conferences play the same amount of conference games.

4. Get rid of unbalanced schedules

This hopefully happens sooner rather than later.

The great thing about the playoff is that we're supposed to have great regular season games now. Let's protect this at all costs.

Locally, Mich fans want to cancel Texas in 3 years plus the Oklahoma series. We already have to play a tougher conference schedule than most due to OSU tie in + TV wants a money maker playing better schools. I'm using this as an example for some of the SEC schools.

These schedules right now in the SEC and B1G are stupid.

Penn State played OSU. That's it.

Texas played Georgia.

Indiana played OSU. Obviously their Mich and Wash games didn't live up to preseason hype.

Conversely, Florida played murderers row. Michigan played FOUR top 8 teams plus a few others in top 25.

LSU schedule, very hard.

Georgia too.

When those Big Ten 4 year schedules came out all I could do is laugh. TV has A LOT to do with this.

 

[gps_3]

This is going to be very fluid UNTIL we get a final product re: the playoff.

The following needs to happen...

1. Super Conferences all squared away

2. ND to join ACC or BIG.

3. All conferences play the same amount of conference games.

4. Get rid of unbalanced schedules

This hopefully happens sooner rather than later.

The great thing about the playoff is that we're supposed to have great regular season games now. Let's protect this at all costs.

Locally, Mich fans want to cancel Texas in 3 years plus the Oklahoma series. We already have to play a tougher conference schedule than most due to OSU tie in + TV wants a money maker playing better schools. I'm using this as an example for some of the SEC schools.

These schedules right now in the SEC and B1G are stupid.

Penn State played OSU. That's it.

Texas played Georgia.

Indiana played OSU. Obviously their Mich and Wash games didn't live up to preseason hype.

Conversely, Florida played murderers row. Michigan played FOUR top 8 teams plus a few others in top 25.

LSU schedule, very hard.

Georgia too.

When those Big Ten 4 year schedules came out all I could do is laugh. TV has A LOT to do with this.

Good post. And honestly, I think TV should have a lot to do with it. It is a much better product to have the best teams play each other as much as possible. But you can't penalize them for playing those games compared to teams who do not. I am personally pumped about Alabama having home and home series with Notre Dame, Ohio St, FSU, Va Tech, WVU, OkSt, Ga Tech and a few more I'm forgetting. But if it's better for us to play 4 CUSA teams and try to go 6-2 in conference, then that's what we'll do unfortunately

 

[B.A.R.]

Good post. And honestly, I think TV should have a lot to do with it. It is a much better product to have the best teams play each other as much as possible. But you can't penalize them for playing those games compared to teams who do not. I am personally pumped about Alabama having home and home series with Notre Dame, Ohio St, FSU, Va Tech, WVU, OkSt, Ga Tech and a few more I'm forgetting. But if it's better for us to play 4 CUSA teams and try to go 6-2 in conference, then that's what we'll do unfortunately

For sure.

The narrative switched quickly in less than a year.

We need to keep it going to encourage these great games.

As I've said, this will be more of a NFL model now where playoff teams will be 9-3/10-2.

Once this final product is here -- we'll rarely see the 12-0 teams.

 

[cubsker]

It’s not worth the risk if it won’t be rewarded is the point. The committee told everyone that there is no benefit to playing a harder schedule. Teams can’t control their conference schedule, but they can control the non-conference, so they’re more likely to just schedule easy wins moving forward. You can lose all your games against good teams and get in the playoff (Texas, Penn St, Indiana, SMU) as long as you can beat a bunch of scrubs. This isn’t hard to understand

Did Alabama play a particularly difficult schedule? Their non con games were all against bad teams. I mean, Wisconsin is intended to be a decent game but it sure as fuck wasn't this year - they were awful.

They then played a couple of playoff teams, a pretty good South Carolina team, and then some middle of the road conference opponents like LSU and Missouri. In reality, they had 4 difficult games all year, since Missouri was basically without Cook. They just decided to not show up against a couple of what should have been sub .500 teams.

 

[KJ]

Haha some random Boise fan on FB just tried to clown me about not going to Atlanta for ASU

Mind you I really don't care about ASU....he was trying to make a point about how well Boise travels

That fucking game will not cost a penny to get into outside of gas or Uber/Lyft if I even remember what day it is

 

[KJ]

Actually more interested if SMU makes it and not cuz I might get laid

Boise/SMU would be fun

 

[Brewers888]

And while I think the OU loss is inexcusable and should never have happened, OU is likely much better than their record says. Here is who they lost to:

#3
#7
#14
#15
#19
8-4 LSU

Not sure some of the playoff teams do much better than 6-6 either

OU is terrible but SMU has no quality wins.

 

[hubs89]

This is going to be very fluid UNTIL we get a final product re: the playoff.

The following needs to happen...

1. Super Conferences all squared away

2. ND to join ACC or BIG.

3. All conferences play the same amount of conference games.

4. Get rid of unbalanced schedules

This hopefully happens sooner rather than later.

The great thing about the playoff is that we're supposed to have great regular season games now. Let's protect this at all costs.

Locally, Mich fans want to cancel Texas in 3 years plus the Oklahoma series. We already have to play a tougher conference schedule than most due to OSU tie in + TV wants a money maker playing better schools. I'm using this as an example for some of the SEC schools.

These schedules right now in the SEC and B1G are stupid.

Penn State played OSU. That's it.

Texas played Georgia.

Indiana played OSU. Obviously their Mich and Wash games didn't live up to preseason hype.

Conversely, Florida played murderers row. Michigan played FOUR top 8 teams plus a few others in top 25.

LSU schedule, very hard.

Georgia too.

When those Big Ten 4 year schedules came out all I could do is laugh. TV has A LOT to do with this.

Excellent post. #4 would be the most difficult in my opinion.

 

[B.A.R.]

Excellent post. #4 would be the most difficult in my opinion.

Yeah, it will be.

TV wants marquee conference matchups.

You could do 20 team conferences.

Split those into two divisions.

Play 9 games vs your division.

Add in 3 OOC games or 2 OOC games with 1 crossover. Now, using the big ten as an example. Michigan would play USC every 10 years then. TV won't go for that.

Whatever the OOC is -- 1 patsy tops. The other 1-2 games must be vs the other super conferences.

Eliminate SEC November "Bye Week".

Again, all conferences play same amount of conference games.

TV will win out though -- so a SOS metric must be added in. I might go full KJ here and say let's reintroduce computers!

 

[C-MAN]

OU is terrible but SMU has no quality wins. Louisville not a quality win?

I would consider SMU’s win over Louisville a quality win. Louisville was 8-4, but they curb stomped Kentucky worse than any SEC team who played Kentucky. Louisville also beat Clemson and lost close games to Notre Dame and Miami. Agree it’s not a great win, considering Louisville’s ranking, but a quality win nonetheless.

 

[C-MAN]

I would personally rather see Alabama play Penn State, but I’m OK with what the committee did here

 

[gps_3]

Did Alabama play a particularly difficult schedule? Their non con games were all against bad teams. I mean, Wisconsin is intended to be a decent game but it sure as fuck wasn't this year - they were awful.

They then played a couple of playoff teams, a pretty good South Carolina team, and then some middle of the road conference opponents like LSU and Missouri. In reality, they had 4 difficult games all year, since Missouri was basically without Cook. They just decided to not show up against a couple of what should have been sub .500 teams.

Yes, it's not about our non-conference this year. I think our SOS ended up being 16, which I think is higher than any playoff team other than UGA. The point is that there are playoff teams that played an even worse non-con than we did, lost to the only good conference team they played, and were safely in the playoff. There is no reward for scheduling non-conference games that are tough because you don't need to do it. And while Alabama's OOC schedule this year isn't that tough, we have multiple home and homes against what most would consider legit teams pretty much every year from now until the mid 2030s. And in most of those seasons, we play 2 of them. That is what Nick and Greg Byrne are talking about. This year it's Alabama and nobody cares and I get that. But next year it will be someone else, and the year after someone else, etc.

 

[Brewers888]

I would consider SMU’s win over Louisville a quality win. Louisville was 8-4, but they curb stomped Kentucky worse than any SEC team who played Kentucky. Louisville also beat Clemson and lost close games to Notre Dame and Miami. Agree it’s not a great win, considering Louisville’s ranking, but a quality win nonetheless.

If Louisville is the quality win on the year it means you really don't have any.

 

[2daBank]

Indiana schedules to get bowl eligible not to impress the Playoff committee. Also not their fault they didn't play Oregon or Penn St. Also not their fault Michigan stunk.

42-13
42-28
41-24
56-7
31-17
47-10
20-15
66-0.

Yes alot of those were bad B1G teams. But dominate none the less.

Indiana can't just call up LSU and say hey let's play a game in Las Vegas, like USC can. Maybe after this year they can.

I'm not trying to defend them being in. I do believe they belong in over SMU. But alot of their scheduling wasn't their fault.

Thry have ONE 8 win season since 1993. So for them making the Quick Lane Bowl is their goal most years. Just so happens they caught lightning in the bottle this year.

The one game they played vs a real team they couldn’t move the ball,, maybe if the didn’t look like the turds they are vs osu I would be more forgiving. Whatever let them in so I can play their under against a team who lost to a mac team! lol

 

[Tin&Lint]

Yes, it's not about our non-conference this year. I think our SOS ended up being 16, which I think is higher than any playoff team other than UGA. The point is that there are playoff teams that played an even worse non-con than we did, lost to the only good conference team they played, and were safely in the playoff. There is no reward for scheduling non-conference games that are tough because you don't need to do it. And while Alabama's OOC schedule this year isn't that tough, we have multiple home and homes against what most would consider legit teams pretty much every year from now until the mid 2030s. And in most of those seasons, we play 2 of them. That is what Nick and Greg Byrne are talking about. This year it's Alabama and nobody cares and I get that. But next year it will be someone else, and the year after someone else, etc.

The problem that everyone has is that Nick and Alabama are saying this proves SOS doesn’t matter. Alabama didn’t have the schedule to prove that. That’s why the internet is mocking Nick for his crocodile tears.

Hypothetical for 2024 Alabama:
- Replace Western Kentucky on schedule with Notre Dame.
- Beat Vandy & OU
- 3 losses to Tennessee, Notre Dame & S Carolina

Do you guys think that team gets in?

 

[gps_3]

The problem that everyone has is that Nick and Alabama are saying this proves SOS doesn’t matter. Alabama didn’t have the schedule to prove that. That’s why the internet is mocking Nick for his crocodile tears.

Hypothetical for 2024 Alabama:
- Replace Western Kentucky on schedule with Notre Dame.
- Beat Vandy & OU
- 3 losses to Tennessee, Notre Dame & S Carolina

Do you guys think that team gets in?

Maybe, but Alabama's SOS was 15 and was passed over for a team with a SOS of 60. I'd say that is significant. The only data point that favored SMU over Alabama was the number in the loss column. Alabama had every opportunity to make this a moot point, so I'm not that upset they got left out. I'm actually more confused by SMU being so far ahead of BYU, being ahead of Clemson, and Texas and Penn St being seeded where they are.

 

[pressitup]

 

[Tin&Lint]

Maybe

Right. We don’t know because the committee hasn’t told us and Alabama not getting in this year doesn’t prove it.

I think my hypothetical Alabama should get in over a 2-loss team.

I don’t think 2024 Alabama should. I think playing three Non-P4 bottom feeders really limits the argument for getting in with 3 losses. Teams that did that: Alabama, Ohio St, Indiana, Texas, Tennessee, Miami, South Carolina, Ole Miss.

 

[KJ]

I don't remember any regular season games before November, they didn't randomly get better because of this system

Of course the point could be made that I don't remember November as well but it's only going to get worse

 

[pressitup]

ONly two Sec teams is egregious

 

[KJ]

ONly two Sec teams is egregious

I don't believe this to be true sir

 

[pressitup]

I don't believe this to be true sir

perspective

 

[KJ]

It was always going to be a struggle for #4 though so they took the path of least resistance. Also putting Bama in and not SMU would have been easy but I stand by saying SMU should have just forfeited their birth in that game on Saturday. Zero reason to play it after that committee chair said what he said.

 

[pressitup]

It was always going to be a struggle for #4 though so they took the path of least resistance. Also putting Bama in and not SMU would have been easy but I stand by saying SMU should have just forfeited their birth in that game on Saturday. Zero reason to play it after that committee chair said what he said.

no problem with SMU(hope they don't become TCU)
teams had their chances
tu and ags wont see an easier sec schedule
one took advantage(I don't have a problem with, watched many of those kids), one did not.

 

[KJ]

no problem with SMU(hope they don't become TCU)
teams had their chances
tu and ags wont see an easier sec schedule
one took advantage(I don't have a problem with, watched many of those kids), one did not.

If we get SMU/Boise it will be the cheapest date of my life....I mean she'll have to pay for a babysitter but she doesn't drink so basically it will cost gas money

 

[pressitup]

If we get SMU/Boise it will be the cheapest date of my life....I mean she'll have to pay for a babysitter but she doesn't drink so basically it will cost gas money

I'm the kind of man who likes to get away
Like to start dreaming about tomorrow, today
Never said that I love you, even though it's so
Where's that duffle bag of mine, it's time to go

Heard it in a love song

 

[KJ]

I'm the kind of man who likes to get away
Like to start dreaming about tomorrow, today
Never said that I love you, even though it's so
Where's that duffle bag of mine, it's time to go

Heard it in a love song

There's a lot of irony in this...doing a get together next Tuesday with the most random of people (including my father) and a chick is bringing the duffle bag I took to her place on the 4th....I have no clue what's in it. She won't open it because she thinks that's an invasion of privacy regardless that I really want to know what's in there!

 

[pressitup]

There's a lot of irony in this...doing a get together next Tuesday with the most random of people (including my father) and a chick is bringing the duffle bag I took to her place on the 4th....I have no clue what's in it. She won't open it because she thinks that's an invasion of privacy regardless that I really want to know what's in there!

your goal is to not end up in the duffel bag

 

[KJ]

your goal is to not end up in the duffel bag

Or at least that's my head's goal

jimmymo gonna be there and I'm inviting a Mormon

 

[FadeTheHype]

Neither would Indiana but here we are

Indiana could beat half the field on a neutral location. Sure, the schedule was friendly, but I warned everyone around week 7 or 8 they were a good prop bet to make the field. Nobody listened I guess.

 

[FadeTheHype]

Pretty comparable to Indiana (beat a few teams that are prob between 25 and 50), but Indiana didn't have to play a conference champ game.

Indiana finished tied for 2nd in Big10 at 11-1 and 8-1. In what universe is any Big10 or SEC team with the same record going to be left out in a 12 team playoff?

 

[FadeTheHype]

But indiana didn't play any of the strong teams other than the one that boatraced em.

This is really ironic in a way that most won't understand, but IU was predicted like 17th to start the season, so every game was supposed to be a hard game. Funny how the narrative changes when you not only win, but smack everybody on the schedule besides Michigan and OSU. Funny how perceptions change when reality shows everything is biased.

 

[FadeTheHype]

I like IU in this spot, and I think they can take Georgia too !!!

For sure. This will set the SEC on fire if it happens.

 

[FadeTheHype]

If SMU somehow wins at Pennsylvania the Fiesta Bowl will likely have to pay people to come to the game

I think you mean "wins at Penny" to keep the misinformed nicknames afloat

 

[FadeTheHype]

Calling ACC mid major is laughable. They were 7-5 against the SEC last year. And that was not a fluke as ACC has had a winning record vs the SEC over the past five years. But if you say the SEC is better, then I guess they’re better. Even though they have not proven it on the field.

Yep Georgia Tech agrees even though they are not even in playoff discussion and hands down outplayed Georgia.

 

[FadeTheHype]

Indiana schedules to get bowl eligible not to impress the Playoff committee. Also not their fault they didn't play Oregon or Penn St. Also not their fault Michigan stunk.

42-13
42-28
41-24
56-7
31-17
47-10
20-15
66-0.

Yes alot of those were bad B1G teams. But dominate none the less.

Indiana can't just call up LSU and say hey let's play a game in Las Vegas, like USC can. Maybe after this year they can.

I'm not trying to defend them being in. I do believe they belong in over SMU. But alot of their scheduling wasn't their fault.

Thry have ONE 8 win season since 1993. So for them making the Quick Lane Bowl is their goal most years. Just so happens they caught lightning in the bottle this year.

Amen!