Monday 12/03/12 NBA discussion thread

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[divol]

Under in Charlotte and Hornets I like in first glance.

 

[HardLuck]

Raptors. Too many points imo.

 

[tuck321]

Some interest in Clippers. Team had a 5 game losing streak. Utah bone tired and no Favors. Will look at the line but think Clippers make a major effort here.

 

[nbafan88]

Clippers had a 4 game losing streak and have won their last two. Don't see what you're seeing. Can't go against Utah at home.

 

[tuck321]

Sorry 4 game losing streak. 3 in a row on the road. Look when Utah beat Dallas and Dallas was off Dirk and a brand new team. They beat the Lakers when the lLakers couldl barely win a game. They beat Houston when Houston was playing worst 4 in 6 away. They beat the Kings by 2. They beat Denver at home when Denver was playing worst 4 in 6 away. You might say Utah's wins are a little suspect when you look at this situation. Last game vs Kings Clipper starters were playing low 20 minutes and will be playing at Utah in a second game in 5 days spot and to be taken seriously the Clippers have to prove to themslves and the world that they can win on the road. I think with Billups back and Favors out they have a good shot at it.

 

[165yds]

Clips should open as a small fav. First question I'd ask is how is a 6-0 team at home getting points? Would seem like Utah is a sucker bet but want no part of this game regardless.

Denver should run the Raps out of the building.

Magic might be the best play on the board.

 

[tuck321]

Denver should run the Raps out of the building.

True.

 

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[Lexington 125]

3 game losing streak for nuggets with only 1 ats & su home loss.... Raptors on the first game of a road swing I think the Dinos keep it close tonight.

 

[nbafan88]

Hornets have a 10 game winning streak against Milwaukee at home. Bucks probably hate traveling to NO

 

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[hugh613]

Hornets have a 10 game winning streak against Milwaukee at home. Bucks probably hate traveling to NO

I like trends as much as the next guy, but considering most of those games took place against the Chris Paul/David West/Emeka Okafor/Tyson Chandler Hornets, I'm not sure how much stock you should be putting into it. Also, Anthony Davis accounted for 28 of New Orleans 113 points two weeks ago against the Bucks - no one's really replaced his production since he went down.

Still, the Bucks offense is wildly inconsistent right now (even more so with Dunleavy out), so grabbing 4 points with the home team might not be the worst idea in the world.

 

[Dollaz]

I like fading crappy teams off big wins. How much does GS win by tonight?

 

[divol]

I like Over in Detroit. It will be my first play tonight.
Looking at Cleveland since Kyle's injury, it's clear that Pargo plays at faster pace than him.
Cleveland can have slumps in their offense and we seen it many times, but most of the nights, they can put up high numbers and of course, they suck on defense.
Detroit plays at home also usually means fast pace and high score. They scored 100+ points on 4 of their last 5 home games and that's tells us something about them.

 

[Hulu]

Agree 100% divol. Pistons over was my first play today.

I'm also liking the Clippers tonight. Conflicting reports about Favors though. I see him still listed as a GTD but also seeing he will be undergoing another MRI after the first one was inconclusive. I don't really see him playing tonight if that's the case.

 

[divol]

Also like Denver to trash Toronto and Over in Oakland.

Won't play my first leans after all. Just too many questions signs around them and the lines on both been going up and down like crazy, so I guess that I'm not the only one feeling that.

 

[Hulu]

2012 Trends

Favs covering ATS at a rate of 54% so far this year. Overs are hitting at just under 52%

 

[Tito]

good to see, so far my only play is the Over in Detroit....good refs too and det pretty solid offensively at home coupled w/ defensive inefficiencies for the cavs

 

[Tito]

well shit, thats the third total this season I've swung and missed with the Pistons...

 

[Retburj13]

me too tito...not even close