Lockout City

James Mirtle ‏<s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>mirtle
The players, had they filed first, would have chosen a court in another state (perhaps California) more likely to rule the lockout illegal.

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<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">5m</small>James Mirtle ‏<s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>mirtle
Told that the league has filed in New York as it believes the law will be interpreted in the manner most favorable to the owners there.

 
[h=1]Stern: NBA has negotiated in good faith; season in jeopardy[/h]By Official release
Posted Nov 14 2011 3:29PM

NEW YORK -- NBA Commissioner David Stern has issued the following statement:
"At a bargaining session in February 2010, Jeffrey Kessler, counsel for the union, threatened that the players would abandon the collective bargaining process and start an antitrust lawsuit against our teams if they did not get a bargaining resolution that was acceptable to them.
"In anticipation of this day, the NBA filed an unfair labor practice charge before the National Labor Relations Board asserting that, by virtue of its continued threats, the union was not bargaining in good faith. We also began a litigation in federal court in anticipation of this same bargaining tactic.
"The NBA has negotiated in good faith throughout the collective bargaining process, but -- because our revised bargaining proposal was not to its liking -- the union has decided to make good on Mr. Kessler's threat.
"There will ultimately be a new collective bargaining agreement, but the 2011-12 season is now in jeopardy.
 
The latest news is that the NHL filed a federal suit against the union and an unfair-labor-practice charge with the NLRB. Talk about chutzpah!
 
TORONTO (December 14, 2012): Statement from the NHLPA regarding NHL’s Complaint and Unfair Labor Practice Charge: “The NHLPA has just received a copy of the National Labor Relations Board charge and has not yet been served with the lawsuit. However, based on what we’ve learned so far, the NHL appears to be arguing that Players should be stopped from even considering their right to decide whether or not to be represented by a union. We believe that their position is completely without merit.”
 
We've been saying it for weeks but social media could bite the pa and its members in the ass. NHL filing cites tweets and interviews from players.
 
It has been said that the current NHL lockout not only includes many of the same actors as last year’s NBA labour dispute, but that it is in fact running off a nearly identical script as well. That belief got a lot of support on Friday with the NHL’s preemptive legal strike against the NHLPA.
The class action complaint for declaratory relief was, like the NBA’s, filed in the southern district court of New York. Like the NBA’s, lawyers from the firms of Proskauer Rose and Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom were listed at the bottom. But the similarities went much further.
In fact, huge stretches of the two documents were nearly identical. Five of the NHL’s seven claims for relief were lifted directly from the NBA’s complaint. The same arguments were made, the same language was used; some paragraphs could have been word-for-word quotations. Every single non-NBA specific argument made in that league’s complaint was duplicated in the NHL’s version.
However, there are differences, and those differences are suggestive. Here are three that stood out to me:
The way the case that a disclaimer of interest would be a bargaining tactic rather than a legitimate end to collective bargaining was presented. In both filings, a central argument was that whether the union opted for decertification or a disclaimer of interest, they didn’t really mean it – in other words, it was a trick to negotiate a better deal and as such should be ignored.
Unfortunately for the NHL, while the NBPA has a pretty long track record of signing deals after talking about decertification, there is no similar track record with the NHLPA. So rather than just say ‘look what they’ve done before!’ the way the NBA was able to, they had to spend a lot more time building a case.
There are myriad extra paragraphs detailing individual players suggesting decertification as a bargaining tactic. There are references to the actions of other unions. To my untrained eye, however, while the NHL has supplied a ton of evidence they are missing two really key pieces: first, an NHLPA track record of doing what they’re alleging, and secondly a Donald Fehr quote hinting at what they’re alleging. They tried for the second; here’s what they got:
You can look at what’s happened in other sports and make your own judgment about [possible NHLPA decertification].
Damning it isn’t.
This is totally the greatest union ever. I’m not sure if this point is so much illustrative as it is just plain funny, but after months of whispering that Donald Fehr was misleading his players and hinting that unity was a major problem, the league took pains to illustrate exactly how awesome the NHLPA has been for the players. The NHL’s complaint digs up tweets, quotes, anything at all said by an NHL player that supports the argument the union is unified and meeting the needs of players. An excerpt from their conclusion, in paragraph 54:
In the recent days and weeks, NHL players have voiced their support for Executive Director Don Fehr, and Steve Fehr, special counsel to the NHLPA, said the union had been getting “amazing support” from the players. These comments do not suggest that the NHL players are unhappy with their Union representation, wish to oust current NHLPA leadership, permanently disband the Union, or prefer to pursue bargaining aims on an individual basis.
Damages. The NHL complaint also spends more time on the subject of damages than its NBA counterpart did. One of the two new claims for relief presented specifically asks that because the NHL lockout arose out of a legitimate collective bargaining process, the court should specifically say that there is no basis for individual players to go on to sue for damages. It’s a point emphasized repeatedly throughout the document, and in paragraph 89 the league makes special mention of treble damages as something the court should rule against.
Of those three points, it is the first one that stood out to me most prominently. If I had just been reading the NHL filing, as a layman I likely would have come away with the impression that the league’s argument was fairly strong. Compared to the NBA complaint, however, the meat behind the allegation that the NHLPA doesn’t really intend to go through with decertifying seems quite thin.
Beyond that, for the most part the overriding message I got from comparing the two documents is that for all the ups and downs of this dispute, on the NHL side the playbook was written well in advance and they’re walking step for step in the trail blazed by the NBA.
 
@JLupul: .@realsports is not allowed to take reservations from Leafs players during the lockout but will continue selling our jerseys for $300 a pop
 
details emerging from a league proposal yesterday... seems to move in PA direction on terms, variance, and make whole at 300M
 
Darren Dreger<s>@</s>DarrenDreger Among the changes in the new proposal, the NHL adjusted its max contract length from 5 to 6 yrs. Boosted the variance from 5% to 10%.

Pierre LeBrun<s>@</s>Real_ESPNLeBrun
Also the Make Whole $$$$ stays at $300 million

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<small class="time">28m</small>Pierre LeBrun<s>@</s>Real_ESPNLeBrun
New offer sees each team afforded one compliance buyout prior to 2013-14 season. Doesn't count vs. cap but it does vs. players' share

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<small class="time">32m</small>Pierre LeBrun<s>@</s>Real_ESPNLeBrun
NHL offer calls for term limit on player contracts to be six years (7 if you're re-signing your own guys).



 
Pierre LeBrun<s>@</s>Real_ESPNLeBrun At this point there is no scheduled meeting between both sides set for today. NHLPA needs time to review lengthy and detailed offer from NHL
 
Pierre LeBrun<s>@</s>Real_ESPNLeBrun But overall, league has moved in key areas here. Will be interesting to see how NHLPA responds

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<small class="time">28s</small>Pierre LeBrun<s>@</s>Real_ESPNLeBrun
Player says new league offer still calls for salary cap to be $60 M for 2013-14 season, which could be an issue (escrow).

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<small class="time">3m</small>Michael Russo<s>@</s>Russostrib
Term of <s>#</s>NHL offer remains 10 years; extremely detailed proposal, basically a full CBA tendered; NHL updated board via email last night



 
Darren Dreger<s>@</s>DarrenDreger I'm sure, by now, teams have offer, so additional details will continue to surface. No surprise ELS,Salary Arb and group 3 UFA remain same.
 
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An NHL team source provided highlights from the latest offer the NHL gave to the union on Thursday:

• Ten-Year Agreement (through 2021/22 season); Parties have mutual opt-out right
after 8 years.

• 50-50 Revenue Split between Clubs and Players with current HRR Accounting.

• $300 million in “Make-Whole” payments (outside the system) to compensate Players
for the reduced value of Player contracts in the early years of the new CBA.

• No contractual “roll backs” of Player Salaries.

• Clubs can operate with an effective Upper Limit of $70.2 million in 2012/13; must
come into compliance with $60 million Upper Limit for the start of the 2013/14
season.

• Each Club will be entitled to execute up to one “Compliance Buy-Out” prior to the
2013/14 season pursuant to which payments made to the Player will not be charged
against the team’s Cap, but will be charged against the Players’ Share.

• Establishment of a Defined Benefit Pension Plan that will provide maximum
permissible benefits to Players upon retirement. The Plan will be funded with
contributions out of Players’ Share and $50 million of the “Make-Whole” payment
amount of $300 million will be allocated and set aside to fund potential underfunding
liabilities of the Plan at end of CBA.

• Rules for Entry Level System, Salary Arbitration and Group 3 Unrestricted Free
Agency will remain unchanged.

• Maximum contract length of 6 years subject to a Club’s ability to re-sign its own
Player for a term of up to 7 years (provided the Player played his last full season
with the re-signing Club). In addition, year-to-year Salary variability will be limited
(up or down) to no more than 10% of the value of the first year of a multi-year SPC.

• Money paid (above a defined threshold) to Players on NHL SPCs in another
professional league (e.g., the AHL or a European league) will be charged against the
NHL team’s Cap, but not against the Players’ Share.

• “Cap Advantage Recapture” formula applicable to existing long-term contracts (in
excess of 6 years) for years in which Player is retired or fails/refuses to perform
under his NHL SPC.

• Ability for Clubs to retain/allocate Salary and Cap Charges in the context of Player
Trades within specified parameters.

• More robust League-wide Revenue Sharing Program (increased pool from
approximately $150 million to $200 million) with creation of Industry Growth Fund to
improve the long-term revenue generating potential of the League and low-grossing
Clubs. Formation of active Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee on which NHLPA
will participate.

• New Player Discipline procedures and protocol incorporating Player appeal rights to
a neutral third-party arbitrator for both on-ice and off-ice discipline.

• Flexibility-related adjustments to Payroll Range System, including (in addition to
Salary/Cap Charge allocation in Player trades):
    1. 1. Lower Limit obligation without performance bonuses;
    1. 2. Elimination of Re-Entry Waivers;
    1. 3. Creation of Salary Cap exceptions for emergency roster situations/goaltender
      injuries;
    1. 4. Waiver exemptions for mid-season signings of Club’s own European Players;
    1. 5. Availability of Performance Bonus Cushion in every year of the CBA;
    1. 6. Creation of “interview period” for Unrestricted Free Agents.


• Various Player contract enhancements and protections, including:
    1. 1. Early activation of “No Move/No Trade” clauses in contract extensions;
    1. 2. Additional restrictions on Club “buy-out” rights of Player contracts;
    1. 3. Modified Waiver obligations for Clubs / enhanced Waiver opportunities for
      Players;
    1. 4. Standardization of reimbursements and benefits related to Player
      assignments (trades, loans, recalls, etc.);
    1. 5. Continued increases in League Minimum Salary and Per Diem;
    1. 6. Playoff Pool increased from $6.5 million to $13 million in Year 1; additional
      regular increases over the balance of the CBA term;
    1. 7. All minor league salary paid in USD;
    1. 8. Liberalized “Cap treatment” standards for Club initiatives benefitting Players,
      such as “parent-son” road trips; milestone awards/gifts; parental travel and
      lodging for attendance at EL Player games, Club provision of various types of
      “professional development”-type services for Players, etc.


• Player “Working Condition” improvements, including:
    1. 1. Ice-time restrictions and mandatory “days off” requirements during Training
      Camp;
    1. 2. Club practice schedule and “days off” requirements during the Regular
      Season;
    1. 3. Extended “Christmas Break” (i.e., December 24-26 “days off” for all
      purposes);
    1. 4. Mandatory facility standards for Visiting Teams relating to training/medical
      supplies, workout equipment and dressing room standards/supplies;
    1. 5. Implementation of “best practices” and continued League initiatives to ensure
      optimal ice conditions;
    1. 6. Tighter restrictions/regulation of Club off-season conditioning requirements
      and Club Conditioning Camp;
    1. 7. Establishment of annual Orientation and Development Program for
      Rookies/First Year Players.


• New CBA Article devoted exclusively to Player Health and Safety measures and
covering such matters as:
    1. 1. The establishment of a Joint NHL/NHLPA Health and Safety Committee with
      equal representation from the NHL and the NHLPA;
    1. 2. The establishment of “Standard of Care” and “Professional Duty” obligations
      owing from team health care professionals to Players;
    1. 3. The establishment of minimum requirements for “health management” staffing
      and resources;
    1. 4. The establishment of standards for the creation, updating and maintenance of
      Electronic Medical Records for Players;
    1. 5. Improvements to Second Medical Opinion procedures and protocol and
      Fitness to Play determinations;
    1. 6. Implementation of additional steps and safeguards to monitor the use (and
      possible misuse) of prescription medication by Players.
    1. 7. Increased flexibility for Players for rehabilitation of injuries during the offseason.


• Elimination of NHLPA “Guarantee” of Escrow shortfall and increased NHLPA
discretion to determine in-season Escrow Rates.

• Completion of expert third-party review of SABH Program and commitment to make
recommended modifications and improvements, as appropriate.

• Improvements to existing Performance Enhancing Substances Program, including:
    1. 1. Expansion of Prohibited Substances List to include illegal stimulants;
    1. 2. The establishment of testing protocol for HGH;
    1. 3. Varied forms and times of testing throughout the year;
    1. 4. The establishment of protocol for “reasonable cause testing”;
    1. 5. Incorporation of agreed-upon appeal procedures from “positive” test results;
    1. 6. Commitment to work with the AHL and the PHPA to expand Program to cover
      AHL Players.


• Joint (NHL/NHLPA) Committees:
    1. 1. Formation of new “Owner-Player Relations Committee,” with broad-based
      participation from Owners and Players intended to foster and establish better
      understanding and stronger working relationships.
    1. 2. Formation of new “Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee” to oversee the
      operation of the Revenue Sharing System.
    1. 3. Formation of new “Joint Health and Safety Committee” to make
      recommendations to the NHL and the NHLPA on Player Health and Safety
      matters.
    1. 4. Formation of new “NHL/NHLPA Equipment Working Group” to study,
      promulgate and enforce minimum standards for protective equipment utilized
      by NHL Players.
    1. 5. Refined and enhanced role for “Player/Club Competition Committee” (CBA
      Article 22) with greater consultation and interaction with the NHL General
      Managers’ Committee.
    1. 6. The “NHL/NHLPA Joint Owner-Player Broadcasting/Marketing Committee”
      (CBA Article 32) will be reconstituted to consult and establish policy on
      League broadcasting and marketing matters, as well as other League
      business functions and initiatives.
    1. 7. The NHL/NHLPA International Committee (CBA Article 24) will be charged
      with jointly identifying, creating, exploiting and managing new international
      business opportunities involving NHL Players, in which the NHL and NHLPA
      will participate as 50-50 partners. The NHL/NHLPA International Committee
      shall also have an advisory role in planning and executing NHL events
      conducted outside of North America.


• Players provided access to NHL.com platform for their individual Player websites
and social media.

• Implementation of a weighted Draft Lottery in which all non-Playoff teams compete
for opportunity to choose first overall in the annual Draft.

• Exclusive negotiating rights window for European Draftees extended to one period
covering four years, instead of two periods covering two years each.

• Modification to “Four-Recall Rule” to remove limitation on “number of transactions”
following the Trade Deadline; replace with limitations on the total number of Recalls
on roster at any one time after the Trade Deadline.

• Updated and improved Grievance Arbitration process and procedure.

• Enhanced access to Game Tickets for Visiting Team Players and NHLPA.

• NHLPA representatives to be provided reasonable access to Club facilities and
Players at reasonable times.
 
should be a start to tweak... I forget who said it, but some depends on the presentation of the offer... ie take it or leave it, lets talk about it, die on this hill etc
 
Ken Campbell<S>@</S>THNKenCampbell With two new teams and a total of about $600 million in expansion fees coming, that would be a huge demand by the players.
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</EM><SMALL class=time>1h</SMALL>Ken Campbell<S>@</S>THNKenCampbell
Being told that, as part of a counter proposal, NHLPA will try to make future expansion and relocation fees part of hockey related revenue.



 
David Shoalts<S>@</S>dshoalts
Just told NHLPA never considered or even discussed asking owners for a share of future expansion or relocation money.
</EM>Retweeted by Nick Cotsonika


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I have seen drop dead date of Jan 19 for 48 game season

so they need to agree by the middle of next week to allow a week for players to travel and a bit of training camp
 
at this point, the only big issue I see is the 2013/14 cap

for some reason Bettman wants it at 60m, which without a rollback is insane, and every big market contending owner has to be saying the same thing

Chicago/Philly/Vancouver/Pitt etc. would have to lose 2-3 key pieces to each of their teams

think it ends up at 65ish and Bettman/Fehr probably both just want to be the one who had their 'counter' accepted
 
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