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whats the point of the owners meeting if Jacobs is in the room? Takes away from the purpose of fresh discussion
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John Shannon <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>JSportsnetCouldn't help but notice Crosby's agent Pat Brisson is in hotel, along with Pens co-owner Mario Lemieux. Could Pgh be building a bridge?
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<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">27m</small>John Shannon <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>JSportsnet
Hearing that Ron Burkle has been voice of reason today. Obviously, with Crosby in room it creates a interesting dynamic.
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John Shannon <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>JSportsnetHearing that Ron Burkle has been voice of reason today. Obviously, with Crosby in room it creates a interesting dynamic.
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<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">29m</small>John Shannon <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>JSportsnet
Hearing that progress was made in the meeting. Owners expect to continue talks tonight.
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John Shannon <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>JSportsnetHearing that progress was made in the meeting. Owners expect to continue talks tonight.
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if Crosby/Burkle/Lemieux/Brisson can push something they think works through, there is a chance, most powerful player and agent, and the most notable owner
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lots of positive vibe tweets from reporters there...
dinner break, Dreger just said he thinks they'll reconvene
dinner break, Dreger just said he thinks they'll reconvene
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Steve Burton reported great strides had been made and the lockout was close to a resolution. He caught a lot of flack from hockey media, they might have to eat crow.
He has a source in the bruins org, he was the first on Thomas bailing for this season as well as kessel's testicular cancer
He has a source in the bruins org, he was the first on Thomas bailing for this season as well as kessel's testicular cancer
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Josh Rimer <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>JoshRimerHockeyNow it appears both Gary Bettman and Donald Fehr will be joining tonight's meetings.
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think it's a good sign...
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katie strang says no bettman and fehr, they were just at the dinners
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Elliotte Friedman <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>FriedgeHNICAlthough Bettman and Fehr are in the building, I'm under the impression they remain outside the owner/player meetings.
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ya now others saying it as well
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Bettman press conference at 1 EST tomorrow
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Two sides reconvene prior to board of gov meeting scheduled for 11, and will continue if things go well
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same group as yesterday, hiopefully they continue down the same path...
if last time around taught us anything its that one bad move can derail things... fingers crossed
if last time around taught us anything its that one bad move can derail things... fingers crossed
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the Bettman PC was scheduled way ahead of time, don't think it has anything to do with this
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ya didnt mean to sound like it was an announcement... talks that it may be cancelled depending on today
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no meetings till after BOG meetings, per Duthie
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Greg Wyshynski<S>@</S>wyshynski So the owners got incredibly shit-faced in NYC last night and skipped the morning CBA talks? Is that how I should read this?
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Hockey central said that some players are being told through back channels that training camp may start on the 14th if no set backs
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Kyoreos says coaches now contacting players
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PA made an offer, league countered today
they broke for dinner and are meeting again later
not as much optimism as last night but many guys on twitter being told the PA has told players to say nothing so they don't seem too eager to make a deal
they broke for dinner and are meeting again later
not as much optimism as last night but many guys on twitter being told the PA has told players to say nothing so they don't seem too eager to make a deal
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Doug MacLean saying a few days ago that the Owners had a Dec 1 deadline to get what they want and then make a deal seems to be making more sense
I think it's done by friday, season starts on the 26th/27th
I think it's done by friday, season starts on the 26th/27th
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Thats what Burton alluded to as well.
Seems like contract terms are the sticking point?
Seems like contract terms are the sticking point?
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league threw out 10 yrs
owners left for a few minutes... back at it
if oure not... follow @cotsonika
owners left for a few minutes... back at it
if oure not... follow @cotsonika
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ya it seems like they are at the revenue split, maybe even the 'make whole' but the term limits were still not figured out
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Tim Panaccio <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>tpanotchCSNThey r re-assembling the podium which means a presser will take place afterall.
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biggest news of the night was the podium... yay twitter... it even got a twitter account
sounds like the league got up to 300 mil, and 10 yrs with an 8 yr opt out... at least could give negotiations some traction
sounds like the league got up to 300 mil, and 10 yrs with an 8 yr opt out... at least could give negotiations some traction
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PA wants open door now, so Fehr and bettman will be back in room for today...
seems like another critical juncture... but such is negotiations... its not all roses.
seems like another critical juncture... but such is negotiations... its not all roses.
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now reports that owners weren't happy with yesterday and almost walked out
and not Fehr wants back in the room.....
and not Fehr wants back in the room.....
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Tom Gulitti <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>TGfireandiceModerates on both sides are needed in room to push this thing through. If they are upset, that shows the precarious state of things.
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Jeremy Jacobs might have been upset yesterday, but I'm told it was moderate owners who nearly ended things and that would've been bad.
Tom Gulitti <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>TGfireandiceJeremy Jacobs might have been upset yesterday, but I'm told it was moderate owners who nearly ended things and that would've been bad.
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the players cant have their cake and eat it too... if they try, this ends even worse than its already been
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so ryan miller lost his shit @ jacobs... id love to be a fly
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John Shannon <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>JSportsnetLeague has yet to hear from the NHLPA on meeting time. Makes you wonder when it will really start...or if it will start at all today.
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The vibe has gotten progressively worse since last night...one player source tells me "things are not going well right now".
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John Shannon <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>JSportsnetThe vibe has gotten progressively worse since last night...one player source tells me "things are not going well right now".
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I hate so much the person that Don Fehr chooses to be
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the contract thing is silly if it ends up being the breaking point
NBA has a 4 year max, 5 year if it's from your current team
NHL is offering 5, and 7
NBA has a 4 year max, 5 year if it's from your current team
NHL is offering 5, and 7
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adater <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>adaterI canvassed five ex players today, including HOFer. All five say players should take the deal in front of them, right now
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Rob Rossi <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>RobRossi_Trib<s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(104, 201, 230);">#</s>nhlpa still meeting. Requests mediators, but could meet without. Feels mediators could get deal done.
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seems like they have bridged the gap that mediators were looking for...
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Tim Panaccio<s>@</s>tpanotchCSN Bill Daly told me the NHL has not agreed to a mediator yet and has "no idea" why a mediator is needed "at this point in time."
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I hate Donald Fehr
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Owners furious about Fehr's stalling, mediation ploy. He's a "suicide bomber" one from mgmt aisle put it
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Only one that could mess this up is Fehr and we are headed down that road. I still haven't lost hope but....
adater <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>adaterOwners furious about Fehr's stalling, mediation ploy. He's a "suicide bomber" one from mgmt aisle put it
Matthew Barnaby <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>MattBarnaby3636Only one that could mess this up is Fehr and we are headed down that road. I still haven't lost hope but....
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Nick Cotsonika <s style="text-decoration: initial; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);">@</s>cotsonikaOwners are furious with Fehr, yes. I think they also sense a number of players want to vote on what is on table.
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if no owners and no bettman, who is in the meeting
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Daly and Batterman... :whip:
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meeting over after an hour
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well see what NHL says but Fehr had a positivie presser
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Fehr says complete agreement on dollars
should be finished up soon though
PA wants 8 year contract limit, NHL wants 5
should be finished up soon though
PA wants 8 year contract limit, NHL wants 5
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Don Fehr: We hope we have an agreement on pension plan, funded out of player money. Believe agreement on transition payments.
Don Fehr: Players proposed eight-year agreement with an opt-out after year six.
Don Fehr: Remaining issues are primarily max length of player contract and variability from year to year.
Don Fehr: Players proposed max length would be eight years. Variability, seven years or longer, use existing rules plus a tweak.
Don Fehr: Have made proposals for cap benefit recapture to address circumvention. Have not discussed transition rules for system.
Don Fehr: Told owners need to discuss transition rules so they can be ironed out.
Don Fehr: "We think there is a complete agreement on dollars. Wouldn't seem to be very much reason why we shouldn't be able to conclude."
Don Fehr: Players proposed eight-year agreement with an opt-out after year six.
Don Fehr: Remaining issues are primarily max length of player contract and variability from year to year.
Don Fehr: Players proposed max length would be eight years. Variability, seven years or longer, use existing rules plus a tweak.
Don Fehr: Have made proposals for cap benefit recapture to address circumvention. Have not discussed transition rules for system.
Don Fehr: Told owners need to discuss transition rules so they can be ironed out.
Don Fehr: "We think there is a complete agreement on dollars. Wouldn't seem to be very much reason why we shouldn't be able to conclude."
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if a deal is not done in the next few days its a massive failure
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if that's all that they aren't agreed on right now
