KJ
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that's asinine
just because someone's opinion isn't shared by you doesn't make it incorrect. it's a fucking opinion for a reason.
your need for someone to share your opinion is bizarre
that's asinine
just because someone's opinion isn't shared by you doesn't make it incorrect. it's a fucking opinion for a reason.
your need for someone to share your opinion is bizarre
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Lareux
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It has nothing to do with being shared by me. I simply gave stats and facts.
Your need to continually "attack" me in threads is bizarre. Nothing I've said in this thread about Romo has included "my opinion." I gave the stats and facts. You're clearly confused as to what my opinion is.
KJ
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comeback wins are one of the least important stats in my book because it's often poor decision making by said qb for a good part of the game that requires a comeback in the first place
i've said it here plenty of times, jake plummer was a great comeback QB, all because he sucked for 58 minutes of the game
i've said it here plenty of times, jake plummer was a great comeback QB, all because he sucked for 58 minutes of the game
hugh613
Pretty much a regular
I can't quantify it, but it seems like he slows down with his decision making in important spots (ie. holds onto the ball too long and takes a sack, doesn't read the coverage properly). I think he's been a competent QB (a modern day Danny White), but how anyone can argue he hasn't made some huge blunders over the years is beyond me.
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Lareux
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No one said otherwise kj. The argument was whether Romo is a choke-artist or not, it wasn't the importance of comeback wins. In the discussion about Romo being a choke-artist, it was proven with stats and facts that he is anything but. Nothing else needed to be taken from the discussion.
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tipyerbartender1
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In the spirit of the thread, and beyond it, would you include Romo in your top 5 to win a game tonight, and/or would you include him as a top 5 QB trying to win Super Bowls for the next three years? No way, either case. Guy has a resume of high profile flops
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Lareux
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He's made some blunders, yes, but nowhere near the amount that would get him labeled as a "choke artist."
KJ
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nothing has been proven about his choking or non-choking
your concept of choking is different than mine. tony romo has failed at a remarkable pace over the years to lead some very talented teams (not all of them) to one playoff victory and that trumps any stat you can dig up
your concept of choking is different than mine. tony romo has failed at a remarkable pace over the years to lead some very talented teams (not all of them) to one playoff victory and that trumps any stat you can dig up
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Lareux
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Romo would either be in my Top 5, or would be 6th.
My top 5 are: Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning, and either Luck or Romo. In no particular order either.
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Lareux
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But in this discussion we were simply talking about 4th quarters. And then, more specifically, "de facto playoff" games.
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Lareux
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The Romo part of the thread. I was literally just editing my post because I knew this would be your response.
In the discussion about Romo is what I should have said, Wade Jr.
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Lareux
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Do you have Alex Smith in your current top 5 NFL QBs?
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Lareux
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Billy Jo Hobert I believe. I'm gonna look it up to make sure.
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Lareux
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Hugh, it was Billy Jo Hobert...
:shake:
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KJ
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no, neither do i have romo
I listed my top 5 (various reasons but either proof of winning or in Luck's case a long future of what I perceive will be winning)
believe me it took forever for me to include peyton manning due to his historical failures all the way back to tennessee but he at least has shown he could accomplish "something" other than putting up arcade-like numbers
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tipyerbartender1
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Lareux's just a Romo defender, not crazy enough to go top 5. Top 6 in the thread title, we'd probably be on.
hugh613
Pretty much a regular
:shake:
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tipyerbartender1
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Don't sleep on Jason Campbell.
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Lareux
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tipyerbartender1
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I will definitely bump this thread when Romo throws next 4Q pick. See you guys Sunday.
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Lareux
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I'm not a Romo defender though Tip. I would have defended anyone in the discussion if the stats and facts pointed out the absurdity of him being a choke artist. If that makes any sense...basically, I'm not a Tony Romo fan by any stretch. I just know that he gets a bad rap for no good reason.
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Lareux
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Bump it later tonight for his 4th quarter comeback victory that he just had on Sunday. Since the discussion started after he just added another notch on his comeback belt.
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tipyerbartender1
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He may get TOO much grief, but not for no reason. I was in Texas last week, a cultural snapshot almost as dead on as my memory. They don't trust him.
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tipyerbartender1
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November home "comeback" against Minny. 1/2 point.
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Lareux
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Fair enough. But you can't bump until he throws a 4th quarter INT in a late December game then right? Since we now have a point system and all. lol
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tipyerbartender1
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Side comment. I'm as guilty as the rest, but give me the very best lines (I realize that's 8-10 starters), I'll win with Blaine Gabbert.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
kind of a loaded question with the topic but if you are asking me today, who i would want on my team for the rest of this season, i would say.
1. Peyton
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Brees
5. Luck
probably Ryan and Wilson just miss cut.
now you can argue future or what they did in past but this is simply today assuming they have full health and their supporting cast is basically equal.
1. Peyton
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Brees
5. Luck
probably Ryan and Wilson just miss cut.
now you can argue future or what they did in past but this is simply today assuming they have full health and their supporting cast is basically equal.
crawdads
Fairway to Heaven
Half the league has played against back up qbs. Facts are the team had the worst record without him, now they have the best.
crawdads
Fairway to Heaven
LOL Matt Ryan, really? Stafford is > Ryan But Eli and everything he has accomplished is allowed to have a down year. Historically, his numbers will be ranked with the best of our era.
crawdads
Fairway to Heaven
Free cash my dude.:shake: I'll be first to say he's not top 5 this year, not even top 15. But for this decade, certainly.
Capaholic
Proud Member of Chiefs Nation
I was out of the conversation but I need to come back because of Eli's name being added in. Just wanted to use actual facts to help support the argument. Per football outsiders, Eli has NEVER finished in the top 5 in DYAR or DVOA. His highest DYAR ranking ever was 8 and DVOA 9. I mean these only analyze every snap and every throw, but I am sure there is some other way he can get in the top 5.
Romo on the other hand? Just for fun. Top 4 twice in DYAR and top 6 three times in DVOA.
Just a "stat nerd" or hater here, but facts are facts. But then again. He did drop a snap on a FG that time.
Romo on the other hand? Just for fun. Top 4 twice in DYAR and top 6 three times in DVOA.
Just a "stat nerd" or hater here, but facts are facts. But then again. He did drop a snap on a FG that time.
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tipyerbartender1
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That's roughly half the story.
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tipyerbartender1
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Post the big wins.
guaranteeed
Pretty much a regular
Romo is Elite
plain and simple
plain and simple
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
should be a few things...multiple
Romo is a good QB...hard to dispute
He has had some very bad recent and not so recent moments at crucial times
Really at the end of the day what is the difference between him and Stafford(save injuries)?
You gotta win em though..the big ones....I think both will eventually
Problem is they play against some winning QBs......for now
