Brewers has seen enough. Coaching carousel 2024-2025

Brewers888 said:
Now this makes no sense to me for Johnson. The division is stacked, they have no QB and he is going to have to outcoach Reid, Payton, and Harbaugh. How do you turn down the Washington job a year earlier with a far superior owner and front office and then take the Raiders job.

I think this would be career suicide for Ben and he would be really stupid to take what I consider to be a really bad job.
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Indoor venue - something he probably prefers. Division is stacked, for now, sure. How much longer is Reid going to go? A couple years, max? I'm not afraid of JH and don't expect him to be anymore successful than he was this year with a joke of a schedule. Payton? I would think Johnson thinks he's a better play caller than him.

It's a shitty roster right now. If Gruden had them in the playoffs with Carr then I think Johnson could.
 
With Flores the Jets would get the added bonus of Ryan Grigson as GM. The fact that the Jets actually hired people to find them these losers tells you that the team should be forcibly removed from Woody Johnson. The Jets only hope is a Daniel Snyder like scandal.
 
Wink was interviewing in Atlanta today @CPA-hole for the DC position.

I believe still to interview with Cincy and Indy.

He prefers South or West per our sources.
 
I follow these coaching searches every cycle and I've never seen a more pitiful list of candidates than I do for this Jets job and if thats not bad enough they are actually paying a search firm to come up with these losers.
 
twinkie13 said:
At this point for the Saints the front office is kinda the problem. Just pray they get lucky. It’s gotta be the worst of the jobs….not for the coach per se it’s just gonna be a tough build.
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The Jets job is the worst but I agree with you that the Saints front office is a problem. Its pretty funny that these teams are fighting over Aaron Glenn and I think whoever "misses out" will ultimately be better off.
 
Imagine not having a good offense this century and thinking that the answer is Aaron Glenn or Brian Flores. The Jets deserve all the ridicule that comes their way and its not going to change if they don't immediately change course and hire a real offensive head coach (not Arthur Smith who is complete trash).
 
Brewers888 said:
Ben Johnson should be put away and his mental state questioned if he takes the Raiders job.
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I feel like it’s by far the best job available. Zero expectations. Assume tons of cap space coming and complete say in how the roster turns over and changes. Tank for Manning. Probably 3 year leash to begin even trying to compete.
 
Inspekdah said:
I feel like it’s by far the best job available. Zero expectations. Assume tons of cap space coming and complete say in how the roster turns over and changes. Tank for Manning. Probably 3 year leash to begin even trying to compete.
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I've gotten on board with this line of thinking

Indoors and the synthetic stuff, dry air so a 60 yarder to win it likely will never be in doubt if you have the right kicker and Davis selling stock lately like a cheap whore is very ideal. He will have the run of the house for maybe even more than three years.

And on the worst of nights all you gotta do is grab one of those cards on the Strip and get Sapphyre in your office in less than an hour
 
Inspekdah said:
I feel like it’s by far the best job available. Zero expectations. Assume tons of cap space coming and complete say in how the roster turns over and changes. Tank for Manning. Probably 3 year leash to begin even trying to compete.
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He won't go to a cold weather area. I've maintained that since the start. A dome or warm weather guy unless the Chiefs job opened.

121 million in cap space. 4 of the top 75 draft picks next year with his GM and probably trade for Hendon Hooker. Not a bad start. See what you got with Hooker or tank. Bowers will probably be the best tight end in the NFL in the next year or two regardless of QB. That's a big luxury for any QB. I'm sure Brady has given him assurances.

It is a division with super bowl coaches but Reid has what..2 years max left? Who knows with Harbaugh and Payton. Should be interesting.
 
Brewers888 said:
With Flores the Jets would get the added bonus of Ryan Grigson as GM. The fact that the Jets actually hired people to find them these losers tells you that the team should be forcibly removed from Woody Johnson. The Jets only hope is a Daniel Snyder like scandal.
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Jets hired Mike Tannenbaum to find this group. Let’s take a failed GM that no one in the league will hire for their front office, and hire him to fill our front office. Brilliant.
 
HUNT said:
He won't go to a cold weather area. I've maintained that since the start. A dome or warm weather guy unless the Chiefs job opened.

121 million in cap space. 4 of the top 75 draft picks next year with his GM and probably trade for Hendon Hooker. Not a bad start. See what you got with Hooker or tank. Bowers will probably be the best tight end in the NFL in the next year or two regardless of QB. That's a big luxury for any QB. I'm sure Brady has given him assurances.

It is a division with super bowl coaches but Reid has what..2 years max left? Who knows with Harbaugh and Payton. Should be interesting.
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The division is hard, no doubt...

That being said, KC will slow up a bit. They are the consumate franchise right now but the best years have come and gone. I'm not saying they aren't a SB contender coming up, just that we'll see more seasons like this one (which was truly a 6-7 loss season over the course of time).

Payton has done a wonderful job. I'd expect they continue to climb.

Same with San Diego.

The Raiders setup is nice except for the division. They need to be patient too and realize the next 2 years are throwaways.
 
Bottom line for Ben -- if Baltimore beats the Bills my agents are on the phone by midnight Sunday.
 
B.A.R. said:
The division is hard, no doubt...

That being said, KC will slow up a bit. They are the consumate franchise right now but the best years have come and gone. I'm not saying they aren't a SB contender coming up, just that we'll see more seasons like this one (which was truly a 6-7 loss season over the course of time).

Payton has done a wonderful job. I'd expect they continue to climb.

Same with San Diego.

The Raiders setup is nice except for the division. They need to be patient too and realize the next 2 years are throwaways.
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I don't see how the Raiders ever compete in that division. Ok Ben Johnson doesn't want to coach games in cold weather; ridiculous excuse but whatever. I still say the Washington job that he turned down was great in every way possible and turning that down to coach in a brutally hard division with no QB is a mistake but good luck to him.
 
My question for Lions fans is when did Aaron Glenn get this reputation as some defensive genius cause all I see is a below average coordinator that has no business landing any head coaching job.
 
Brewers888 said:
I don't see how the Raiders ever compete in that division. Ok Ben Johnson doesn't want to coach games in cold weather; ridiculous excuse but whatever. I still say the Washington job that he turned down was great in every way possible and turning that down to coach in a brutally hard division with no QB is a mistake but good luck to him.
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I'm not sure if that's actually his mantra (the cold weather) or not.

I know Hunt feels that way or knows that.

Ben definitely about having his GM though. So, with any of these searches remember that GM and Ownership is SOOOOO big.
 
Brewers888 said:
My question for Lions fans is when did Aaron Glenn get this reputation as some defensive genius cause all I see is a below average coordinator that has no business landing any head coaching job.
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Lions fans have had a love and hate relationship with AG for three years now.

Two years ago after the Halloween weekend loss to Miami moved us to 1-7 many wanted a change.

Now, think about the start of this year when he had a healthy bunch how good that defense was? You can take away Seattle game because that's just how that matchup goes for some reason.

Brilliant job last week as well.

I have honestly zero opinion on his status as a possible HC. I'd assume average at best though.

You know how this league works Brew....
 
B.A.R. said:
I'm not sure if that's actually his mantra (the cold weather) or not.

I know Hunt feels that way or knows that.

Ben definitely about having his GM though. So, with any of these searches remember that GM and Ownership is SOOOOO big.
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Jacksonville basically said that the coach can make an argument to dump Baalke and he would do it. That's the job he should take this cycle; the division is winnable in year one and Lawrence should have some appeal to an offensive guy like Johnson.

I don't see the Raiders ownership being a plus even if you assume Brady is the de facto owner. Good luck dealing with that guy when you are struggling. I would rather deal with the Jacksonville owner than Brady.
 
B.A.R. said:
Lions fans have had a love and hate relationship with AG for three years now.

Two years ago after the Halloween weekend loss to Miami moved us to 1-7 many wanted a change.

Now, think about the start of this year when he had a healthy bunch how good that defense was? You can take away Seattle game because that's just how that matchup goes for some reason.

Brilliant job last week as well.

I have honestly zero opinion on his status as a possible HC. I'd assume average at best though.

You know how this league works Brew....
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Was that a brilliant job last week or is Darnold just a choker in big games. Yeah I know exactly how this league works but lets just say the Jets have played ball time and time again with Saleh, Bowles, and Herm before that.

I'm in shock how Jets fans have convinced themselves that Glenn is a great hire and are especially excited that he was a former player with this loser franchise. You would think the guy had the cache of Joe Namath or something.

Anyway whats done is done and I will be all over the Jets under win total next season if its at a somewhat reasonable level.
 
Brewers888 said:
Was that a brilliant job last week or is Darnold just a choker in big games. Yeah I know exactly how this league works but lets just say the Jets have played ball time and time again with Saleh, Bowles, and Herm before that.

I'm in shock how Jets fans have convinced themselves that Glenn is a great hire and are especially excited that he was a former player with this loser franchise. You would think the guy had the cache of Joe Namath or something.

Anyway whats done is done and I will be all over the Jets under win total next season if its at a somewhat reasonable level.
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Darnold can't choke if that gameplan wasn't drawn up.

Bottom line.

AG was brilliant last week. He knew how to get that offense rattled.

Rolled the dice and cut the snake off at the head.
 
B.A.R. said:
Darnold can't choke if that gameplan wasn't drawn up.

Bottom line.

AG was brilliant last week. He knew how to get that offense rattled.

Rolled the dice and cut the snake off at the head.
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Lets set the Aaron Glenn two year win total as Jets coach at 8 and I will take the under. This guy is incredibly a big downgrade from Saleh and while I never have high expectations for the Jets he is literally the worst case scenario hire.
 
At this point sign me up for any offensive coach besides Arthur Smith. I will take Matt Nagy over Glenn and Flores and I know that guy sucks.
 
Brewers888 said:
I don't see how the Raiders ever compete in that division. Ok Ben Johnson doesn't want to coach games in cold weather; ridiculous excuse but whatever. I still say the Washington job that he turned down was great in every way possible and turning that down to coach in a brutally hard division with no QB is a mistake but good luck to him.
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It's his preference. Some coaches don't want to be in the cold with a shitty organization. He's a an atlantic coast/south east guy. Now if Buffalo/Baltimore/KC is calling with those proven QBS that's a whole different story.
 
There's a lot about the AFC West that is on the decline since this whole thing is projection

KC in general have peaked, and incredibly so. But age and lack of desire sets in when you're successful. That's not disputable.

Patyon has made a ton of mistakes this season. He won a Super Bowl....cool but so did Fat Mike. If that scares you, you aren't HC material in the first place. Denver looks promising and Nix is in overperform mode after this season but nothing I'm getting too worked up about.

LAC, while according to Ivy they will likely be LA's team in two years, still has a situation. They have a top 5 QB in the NFL and a coach that doesn't use that the way top 5 QBs tend to like to be used.

Why would that division scare someone like Ben Johnson away other than away games at Denver and KC, one of which would likely be early in the season?
 
Brewers888 said:
My question for Lions fans is when did Aaron Glenn get this reputation as some defensive genius cause all I see is a below average coordinator that has no business landing any head coaching job.
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I think it's a couple things...

Dan Campbell culture

Former NFL player

His defenses have gotten better each year there, and that's really with some makeshift units out there.

Have no idea how he will do, nor do I really care. I don't like DC's as HC's just like you. Lions can just plug a replacement in for him and run the same scheme and be fine. Offense, it's more complicated.
 
Brewers888 said:
Lets set the Aaron Glenn two year win total as Jets coach at 8 and I will take the under. This guy is incredibly a big downgrade from Saleh and while I never have high expectations for the Jets he is literally the worst case scenario hire.
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It's essentially the same hire. I think the Jets are looking for a culture change, Sean Payton and staff started it all with the Lions guys.
 
KJ said:
There's a lot about the AFC West that is on the decline since this whole thing is projection

KC in general have peaked, and incredibly so. But age and lack of desire sets in when you're successful. That's not disputable.

Patyon has made a ton of mistakes this season. He won a Super Bowl....cool but so did Fat Mike. If that scares you, you aren't HC material in the first place. Denver looks promising and Nix is in overperform mode after this season but nothing I'm getting too worked up about.

LAC, while according to Ivy they will likely be LA's team in two years, still has a situation. They have a top 5 QB in the NFL and a coach that doesn't use that the way top 5 QBs tend to like to be used.

Why would that division scare someone like Ben Johnson away other than away games at Denver and KC, one of which would likely be early in the season?
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KC hasn't peaked until Mahomes is done. We saw what they did this year with barely any WRs and no RB. Didn't score a lot, but it was by design. Spags is the best DC in the NFL.

Payton is great. Denver was fucking awful for a few years before he was there.

I do agree Greg Roman is a problem at OC.
 
HUNT said:
It's his preference. Some coaches don't want to be in the cold with a shitty organization. He's a an atlantic coast/south east guy. Now if Buffalo/Baltimore/KC is calling with those proven QBS that's a whole different story.
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I get what you are saying but Washington now has a good owner and he would have had Jayden Daniels. Unless he wasn't high on Daniels which is possible that was the spot though I agree I'd rather be in Vegas than Virginia or wherever the Redskins play.
 
HUNT said:
It's essentially the same hire. I think the Jets are looking for a culture change, Sean Payton and staff started it all with the Lions guys.
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Yeah I keep hearing this culture change bullshit but it won't make a difference when you continue to have a bottom five offense in the league as has been the case most of this century.
 
B.A.R. said:
The division is hard, no doubt...

That being said, KC will slow up a bit. They are the consumate franchise right now but the best years have come and gone. I'm not saying they aren't a SB contender coming up, just that we'll see more seasons like this one (which was truly a 6-7 loss season over the course of time).

Payton has done a wonderful job. I'd expect they continue to climb.

Same with San Diego.

The Raiders setup is nice except for the division. They need to be patient too and realize the next 2 years are throwaways.
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Idk conference has mahomes Allen Jackson burrow in their prime. If sb is goal tough nut to crack. Bowers and Crosby are complete studs but otherwise not a great roster. Reading Hooker comes with him but not sure that big a deal. Agree expectations very low. If Brady is as bad at evaluating talent as he is in booth he's a nothing burger for this. Still don't get not taking Washington job but probably was money. But again AFC just has the best qb now.
 
lvmike32 said:
Idk conference has mahomes Allen Jackson burrow in their prime. If sb is goal tough nut to crack. Bowers and Crosby are complete studs but otherwise not a great roster. Reading Hooker comes with him but not sure that big a deal. Agree expectations very low. If Brady is as bad at evaluating talent as he is in booth he's a nothing burger for this. Still don't get not taking Washington job but probably was money. But again AFC just has the best qb now.
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Possibly...I still think Jags not out of this. Ben wants it all perfect and how can you blame him? He wants his GM and a fuck ton of money. Maybe he just simply wasn't ready to be a HC last year. People forget he's only been calling plays 3 years including this year.
 
HUNT said:
Possibly...I still think Jags not out of this. Ben wants it all perfect and how can you blame him? He wants his GM and a fuck ton of money. Maybe he just simply wasn't ready to be a HC last year. People forget he's only been calling plays 3 years including this year.
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True. Great discipline if so. I think Jags a bad situation too. Saw a post a few months ago. Did u know Lawrence career stats almost identical to Daniel Jones yet look how each one is viewed. Shit Lawrence has stadium named after him. But another low expectation gig. $60m or more guaranteed doesn't really matter i guess though i know most want to win.
 
lvmike32 said:
True. Great discipline if so. I think Jags a bad situation too. Saw a post a few months ago. Did u know Lawrence career stats almost identical to Daniel Jones yet look how each one is viewed. Shit Lawrence has stadium named after him. But another low expectation gig. $60m or more guaranteed doesn't really matter i guess though i know most want to win.
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I still have no clue how good or bad Lawrence is because he's never been surrounded by competency anywhere. Line, coaching, weapons, etc. I at least saw how bad Daniel Dimes was when he had time to make decisions and it was very evident he was poor at that. All it took was a little bit of time a competency at coach to make Bryce Young a very capable NFL QB and we had all thrown him out to the wolves.
 
KJ said:
I still have no clue how good or bad Lawrence is because he's never been surrounded by competency anywhere. Line, coaching, weapons, etc. I at least saw how bad Daniel Dimes was when he had time to make decisions and it was very evident he was poor at that. All it took was a little bit of time a competency at coach to make Bryce Young a very capable NFL QB and we had all thrown him out to the wolves.
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I think Lawrence has digressed since leading the comeback vs Chargers. I think the talent and coaching has been bad on both teams. I just think it's NYC expectations vs Jacksonville. Lawrence lucky he ended up in Jacksonville. If he gets Johnson he'll have alot more pressure. Dont look now but if McCarthy falters or gets hurt I think Vikes will go with Jones. That would be interesting.
 
The Bears have no plan whatsoever. Interviewing everyone under the sun and inquired about a trade for Tomlin.
 
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lvmike32 said:
I think Lawrence has digressed since leading the comeback vs Chargers. I think the talent and coaching has been bad on both teams. I just think it's NYC expectations vs Jacksonville. Lawrence lucky he ended up in Jacksonville. If he gets Johnson he'll have alot more pressure. Dont look now but if McCarthy falters or gets hurt I think Vikes will go with Jones. That would be interesting.
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I simply don't know how you can compare a dude that had no offensive coaching/WR/anything to a guy that had Saquon/OBJ/Nabers and remotely make that comparison. It's literally like a rotten apple v an elegant orange. Granted I haven't done fantasy for years and don't watch virtually any part of Jacksonville football if I can avoid it....line is all time terrible. But That Duke twat at least had a million weapons and failed. Maybe Thomas is the guy they need at #2.. If you need to compare those two you're just bored.
 
KJ said:
I simply don't know how you can compare a dude that had no offensive coaching/WR/anything to a guy that had Saquon/OBJ/Nabers and remotely make that comparison. It's literally like a rotten apple v an elegant orange. Granted I haven't done fantasy for years and don't watch virtually any part of Jacksonville football if I can avoid it....line is all time terrible. But That Duke twat at least had a million weapons and failed. Maybe Thomas is the guy they need at #2.. If you need to compare those two you're just bored.
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I don't think either is good right now, just like Trevor's ceiling more than Dimes.
 
HUNT said:
I don't think either is good right now, just like Trevor's ceiling more than Dimes.
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I honestly think the dude has never remotely had a chance to succeed and if you're a smart agent, you need him in a two year/no questions start which sucks at his age. The hope is he hasn't been ruined.

I do get the NYC thing as far as the media but just a hunch Trevor would have shined with those opportunities. Just a hunch. No more, no less.
 
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