2016 NBA Finals: Cavaliers - Warriors Discussion
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tipyerbartender1
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I don't know. Let's watch the games first.
UTSUX
Old-timer
Not TRUE. 2 straight Finals is something
nbafan88
Pretty much a regular
No it's really not.
UTSUX
Old-timer
I know 20 other teams would take that. lol
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tipyerbartender1
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Six straight for one guy, on two different teams, is pretty impressive too, I don't care what you think of the east. To use azkid's argument from a different thread, when those Celtics guys did this, the league had 10 teams, one playoff round. Round, singular, not plural.
nbafan88
Pretty much a regular
There are only 15 teams in the east. And maybe 1 or 2 other contenders. Not even.
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tipyerbartender1
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Why not? Every year is different. I could think of multiple times in each of these past two seasons when it could have gone completely off the rails.
UTSUX
Old-timer
Thinking of OKC
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
He's certainly not making America Great
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
I'm tired of making America Great tbh gets tiresome and the pay sucks
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
not making America great like John Legend is. Dude is living the life...
guaranteeed
Pretty much a regular
just a proper version of the song
nothing fancy
nothing fancy
ArizonaKid
Pretty much a regular
Whataburger and watching game 1 of the NBA Finals
#winning
#winning
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tipyerbartender1
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Contain Barnes
cogenman
Raider Nation for Life
* We'll keep this the discussion thread*
Golden State's defense against the Cavs has been unbelievable. For 7 games in the finals, 6 last year's finals and today the Cavs have yet to crack 100 points. Klay did nothing. Curry did nothing. The Cavs even doubled up on the free throw attempts against the dubs.
Lebron is going to have to carry his team. I'm talking go for 50. Don't defer. This is Lebron's hand picked team. His hand picked coach too. No excuses.
Golden State's defense against the Cavs has been unbelievable. For 7 games in the finals, 6 last year's finals and today the Cavs have yet to crack 100 points. Klay did nothing. Curry did nothing. The Cavs even doubled up on the free throw attempts against the dubs.
Lebron is going to have to carry his team. I'm talking go for 50. Don't defer. This is Lebron's hand picked team. His hand picked coach too. No excuses.
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tipyerbartender1
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I'm just going to say, let's see how games two and even three play out. Cavs didn't play with a lot of confidence tonight. Pretty choppy. Don't think the GS D was suffocating, some CLE supporting players didn't show up, home team pulled away. It happens.
tuck321
Not all those who wander are lost
The coach and Lebron are both to blame but Lebron most.I never thought the coach was ready for this but Lebron??? You will NEVER beat GS without constant defense. If you allow open shots the game is over and Lebron should have watched every game in the GS OKC series at least twice. This game gets no forgiveness.
BetCrimes1984
CTG Big Brother
Meh. Cavs knew they weren't winning every road game, so one wouldn't expect them to put in a "winning effort" in every road game. Possibly they thought they'd take GS's best punch tonight and consciously or not decided not pour a lot of energy into a game they didn't expect to win. They need every game at home, but only one on the road. They put in a similar effort in game 3 for the same result when 2-0 down, then dust off the brooms.
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
Irving is a nice little offensive player but he leaves more than a lot to be desired defensively. He is downright awful.
Another question ..... a friend of mine brought up the argument that a Cavs win in this series would make the warriors title last year seem less legit since they are better this year but facing a healthy Cavs this time. I disagree but the Warriors-got-lucky crowd would have some ammo.
Another question ..... a friend of mine brought up the argument that a Cavs win in this series would make the warriors title last year seem less legit since they are better this year but facing a healthy Cavs this time. I disagree but the Warriors-got-lucky crowd would have some ammo.
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
Not disagreeing but wasn't this the best spot in theory for them to steal one? They can still steal one somewhere else, no doubt ... but this is the spot they really needed. If GSW win game 2 it is just hard to see this team lose to the cavs in 4 out of 5 games.
BetCrimes1984
CTG Big Brother
Why was this GS's weak spot? Because they were off a game 7? Off 3 straight wins?
Off a 7-game CF series vs. a road opponent who wasn't off a 7-game CF series during the last 20 years, home teams have gone 3-1 in game 1.
Overall, from 95-96 to 2014-15 (the last 20 years), home teams have gone 17-3 in game 1 vs. 13-7 in game 2.
If you excise overtime (slash an enforced lottery to get a final result) games from the overall numbers and just look at regulation results, things become even more emphatic:
home teams 16-1 in game 1 vs. 13-6 in game 2.
My expectation would be that the home team comes out like gang busters not to lose HCA immediately, and upon winning they inevitably get comfortable about how they feel about themselves re game 2. The numbers, at least as far back as I cared to look, seem to bear this out.
BetCrimes1984
CTG Big Brother
And OKC led in the 3rd quarter of game 5 (by 1 point) vs. GS and their effort that night never once said, at least to me, they were seriously in that game to win it. It always seemed like they'd set themselves to win game 6.
That the Cavs led by 1 point in the 3rd quarter (3 times in a short space of time, the last time being responded to by a 15-0 GS run) says more to me about GS screwing around than it does about the Cavs having any serious intentions of winning. That 15-0 run was punctured by the 3rd/4th quarter break. GS scored more pts during that run (8) after the start of the 4th than headed to the end of the 3rd. Usually long runs occur uninterrupted within a given quarter. That the Cavs came out with so little intensity after that break (which as a natural occurrence should've acted to subdue that run) and allow what was then only a 7-0 run (6 pt deficit) to more than double in size says volumes to me about their intensity.
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
I was never a top level athlete but I don't remember spending much time while i was waiting around for a week to play my next game about letting that one go so I could play the same guys three days later and try hard then. The minutes also tell the story in this regard.. Love 37, Bron 41 Irving 38 vs Curry 36 Green 40 thompson 24.
BTW in your four series with the 3-1 stat .. how many series did the home team win?
BTW in your four series with the 3-1 stat .. how many series did the home team win?
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Understand but the Cavs just don't match up with Golden State.
The Cavs main glaring weakness (bench) was exposed mightily last night.
Would also figure the Dubs would find nothing sweeter than sweeping this team,
And putting an end to all the 'got lucky' talk from last postseason.
This championship would carry a ton more weight and put the Dubs up there with the greats.
The Cavs main glaring weakness (bench) was exposed mightily last night.
Would also figure the Dubs would find nothing sweeter than sweeping this team,
And putting an end to all the 'got lucky' talk from last postseason.
This championship would carry a ton more weight and put the Dubs up there with the greats.
Couple Quick Thoughts
I want to say first, I have yet to see Game 1 in its entirety. I will watch it later tomorrow evening.
Couple of boxscore capping tidbits...
-Cavs Assist to turnover ratio was 1:1
-Meanwhile The Warriors were just over 4:1
-The Warriors assisted on 29 of 43 FG's.
-There were not too many fouls, 33 total. King Whistle couldn't draw a call, and he was pretty aggressive.
-Both teams 33% from deep. The Cavs kept their total down again.
Now, here is where the game ultimately ended. The Cavs made a nice 3rd quarter run. They even took the lead. At the 0:34 mark of the third, Lue took out Bron as GSW led 71-68...
Lue had to take a full timeout at the 11:11 mark of 4th as the lead had ballooned to 10 points in just over a minute. He failed to put Bron back in the game at this point...
Finally at the 9:37 mark, and now down 84-70 he re-inserts James but it is too little too late...
I am not saying this was all that happened but it was horrid coaching. You just had almost a week off. Now lets factor in that thee series is spread out over 18 DAYS. You have TWO FULL days of rest after tonight. Yes, I get he played 41 minutes. With that being said, you can rest over the summer too. Terrible, terrible coaching right there.
I want to say first, I have yet to see Game 1 in its entirety. I will watch it later tomorrow evening.
Couple of boxscore capping tidbits...
-Cavs Assist to turnover ratio was 1:1
-Meanwhile The Warriors were just over 4:1
-The Warriors assisted on 29 of 43 FG's.
-There were not too many fouls, 33 total. King Whistle couldn't draw a call, and he was pretty aggressive.
-Both teams 33% from deep. The Cavs kept their total down again.
Now, here is where the game ultimately ended. The Cavs made a nice 3rd quarter run. They even took the lead. At the 0:34 mark of the third, Lue took out Bron as GSW led 71-68...
Lue had to take a full timeout at the 11:11 mark of 4th as the lead had ballooned to 10 points in just over a minute. He failed to put Bron back in the game at this point...
Finally at the 9:37 mark, and now down 84-70 he re-inserts James but it is too little too late...
I am not saying this was all that happened but it was horrid coaching. You just had almost a week off. Now lets factor in that thee series is spread out over 18 DAYS. You have TWO FULL days of rest after tonight. Yes, I get he played 41 minutes. With that being said, you can rest over the summer too. Terrible, terrible coaching right there.
