2013 Nba offseason news and notes
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reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
the problem with dwight is he lost whatever passion/heart he played with in Orlando.
maybe he gets it back to prove he is capable, coming off injury, blah blah blah.
but the past couple years he just acted unprofessionally iMO, he let these distractions get into his head and it affected his play.
maybe he gets it back to prove he is capable, coming off injury, blah blah blah.
but the past couple years he just acted unprofessionally iMO, he let these distractions get into his head and it affected his play.
- Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">3h</small>
Contract specifics are still TBD on Livingston but Nets, I'm told, operating under the assumption Livingston is BKN-bound
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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">3h</small>
Hearing Nets closing in on locking up Shaun Livingston for that backup PG spot
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">1h</small>
Hearing Devin Harris is on his way back to Dallas. Mavericks and Harris are closing in on three-year, $9+ million deal
Hearing Devin Harris is on his way back to Dallas. Mavericks and Harris are closing in on three-year, $9+ million deal
- Sam Amick @sam_amick<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">7h</small>
Can confirm Dorell Wright to Portland on two-year, $6 mil deal. No options and all guaranteed. Nice pickup.
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Sam Amick @sam_amick<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">7h</small>
Francisco Garcia goes to Houston on two year deal, vets minimum $1.3 mil per, 2nd year player option.
Sam Amick @sam_amick<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">22h</small>
Agent Mark Bartelstein announces that Demarre Carroll is going to Atlanta.
Agent Mark Bartelstein announces that Demarre Carroll is going to Atlanta.
GS offloaded some expiring contracts to Utah to get Utah to the salary floor and allowed GS to sign Iggy. I believe they got Kevin Murphy back...see below...
- Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">5 Jul</small>
All Utah sends back to Golden State is Kevin Murphy, who has a non-guaranteed $788,000 deal for 2013-14, sources tell Y!
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">5 Jul</small>
Beyond the two first-rounders to the Jazz, Golden State has included future second-round picks in deal too, sources tell Y! Sports.
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- Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">5 Jul</small>
Golden State will send first-round picks in 2014 and 2017 to the Jazz, league sources tell Y! Sports.
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- Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">5 Jul</small>
As @FisolaNYDN says, Knicks made decision to keep Pablo Prigioni over Copeland. New York can't match Indiana's sheet.
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- Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">5 Jul</small>
Y! Sources: Pacers reach agreement with restricted free agent Chris Copeland on two-year, $6.1 million contract. http://tinyurl.com/k6usaoq
Contract specifics are still TBD on Livingston but Nets, I'm told, operating under the assumption Livingston is BKN-bound
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Hearing Nets closing in on locking up Shaun Livingston for that backup PG spot
More Nets news...
- Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">5 Jul</small>
Y! Sources: Brooklyn reaches agreement with skilled small forward, Bojan Bogdanovic, on three-year deal. http://tinyurl.com/nxmpjrs
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- Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">5 Jul</small>
Bogdanovic, a Croatian small forward, was the 31st pick in 2011 draft -- not 2012. He'll be the back-up to Paul Pierce with the Nets.
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- Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">1m</small>
Watson's deal with the Blazers is one year, for the vet minimum, source says.
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Portland has reached agreement with free agent Earl Watson, his agent, Mark Bartelstein, says.
reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
darren collison to the clippers, he must love backing up CP3. easy job.
- Sam Amick @sam_amick<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px; right: 15px;">11m</small>
That Darren Collison salary with Clips is $1.9 million, I'm told, for the coming season. Great value & great fit. Clips keep loading up.
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- Sam Amick @sam_amick<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px; right: 15px;">19m</small>
Can confirm Darren Collison goes to Clippers on two-year deal, player option in the 2nd, for part of the midlevel.
Clips also already resigned Matt Barnes for 3 years.
cudder
Pretty much a regular
Haha sorry that probably seemed like a dick comment. I do the same thing to what you said about dwight to Florida recruits that they miss on. Would I rather have them yes but i make the best of it..wasn't trying to be a dick sorry if it seemed like that you're a good poster
orangemonk
Creep - Dee oh double gee
Agree with this. Pistons stuck in NBA purgatory (5-8 seed) for the next 4 years. Making the playoffs in the NBA is dumb if you aren't a top 3 seed in your conference. Fans need to stop accepting the notion that making the playoffs is a successful season.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
this signing is the worst, but at what point do you say we need to at least spend some $ and show improvement? drummond and monroe are building blocks, passing on Trey to keep Knight at pg is and will be one of the most regrettable decisions Dumars has ever made (besides Darko over Melo, signing Gordon and Villanueva).
pistons should be the worst FT shooting team in the league now. and they ruin lottery chances for a star now that they will win just enough games to hover seed 5 through 8 like u said or just miss the playoffs, thus getting a 8-12 pick.
i hate the signing, i hate the player they signed for many reasons, but i do understand new ownership had to get someone in town to get people in the arena. those tickets cant be given away the last 3 years or so.
nbafan88
Pretty much a regular
The Lakers didn't lose a center, they dodged a bullet.
Take a hike, Dwight, and don't let your cape hit you on the way out.
Dwight Howard has been formally chased out the door of basketball's greatest franchise by its legacy, its pressure, and, apparently, a rousing recruiting challenge from Kobe Bryant.
PHOTO GALLERY: Dwight Howard and the Lakers
Does a city of starry expectations want its favorite basketball team built around somebody who doesn't have the shoulders for it?
It's a good day for the Houston Rockets, but a great day for the Lakers, who will watch Howard walk to the Rockets for less money, lower expectations, and probably four more years of mediocrity.
All together now: Whew!
Gone is perhaps the biggest one-year disappointment in Lakers history, an All-Star center who arrived here last summer bearing a championship promise he quickly broke with a lack of consistent intensity, a shortage of competitive focus and an absence of any sort of measurable refusal to lose.
His first play as a Laker perfectly summed up the dream that was D12. It was a thunderous dunk. His last play as a Laker perfectly summed up the reality that was Dwight Howard. He was ejected from the final loss in a four-game sweep by the San Antonio Spurs, abandoning his short-handed teammates and disappearing through the tunnel as an injured Kobe Bryant was hobbling out.
He spent much of the season recovering from back surgery, but even when he was close to 100%, his intensity was still 50-50. He played through pain, except when he didn't. He wanted the Lakers to be his team, except when it was his team. When Bryant suffered an Achilles' tendon tear, Howard also disappeared.
For two years, this column space pushed and prodded and finally begged the Lakers to acquire Howard, then celebrated when it did. The line for suckers starts here.
"The Lakers figured it out, they always do," I wrote after Howard's acquisition last August.
It turns out, I could write the same thing again with Howard's departure. Eleven months after the Lakers figured out how to trade for him, here's guessing they also figured out that he wasn't really worth risking a five-year title abyss to keep him.
Yes, they offered him the maximum contract of $118 million over five seasons, nearly $30 million more guaranteed than the Rockets' four-year offer. Yes, they put up these silly signs all over town and General Manager Mitch Kupchak said all these silly things about Howard being the franchise's future.
But in the end, it all seemed like an expensive game of chicken. For the sake of appearances, the Lakers had to make a very public pursuit of a player they really didn't want to catch.
There will be talk nationwide that the Lakers' failure to keep a star in the prime of his career for the first time in franchise history is indicative of the organization's dysfunction and eventual downfall in the wake of the death of Jerry Buss. And, certainly, there are huge front-office problems that sponsors and season-ticket holders will need addressed, such as, who is actually running this thing, anyway?
But don't kid yourself. If the Lakers really wanted to keep Dwight Howard, they would have kept him.
If they really wanted Howard, they would have fired Coach Mike D'Antoni instead of allowing him to sit in the room for their final pitch. That's right, the biggest barrier to Howard's re-signing with the Lakers was actually brought in to sell him on the Lakers.
If they really wanted Howard, Phil Jackson would have been the coach in that room, instead of escaping to Montana while communicating to Howard through Twitter.
If they really wanted Howard, they wouldn't have attempted to dissuade Kobe Bryant from telling him the truth. While the Rockets were undoubtedly convincing Howard of his greatness, Bryant was making a final pitch in which he challenged Howard to follow his lead and strive for that greatness. If Howard was truly fit to be a Laker, he would have grabbed at the shine of those five rings instead of cowering from it.
Finally, if the Lakers really wanted the glitter-obsessed Howard, they would have sold him with Hollywood, bringing in some of their courtside heavy hitters to close the deal. The problem was, the surprisingly Hollywood fans didn't want Howard either, and that reportedly includes Jack Nicholson.
The Lakers have won 16 championships on backs much broader than the one adorned with No. 12, with a winning ethic much more serious than the one showed by a guy who laughed and joked even after losses, with leaders who acted like leaders.
Howard was not that guy. He knows it, the Lakers know it, and it was confirmed to the world during an exit news conference in which he whined about the tough Los Angeles fans and heavy Lakers pressure.
So what happens now? Patience happens now. To frame this as a big loss for the Lakers is hugely wrong. To think of this as an ending ignores the possibilities that are just beginning.
The Lakers will enter next season led by a limping Bryant and a nine-lives Pau Gasol, which means they will not contend for a championship. But guess what? Even with Howard, they were not contending for a championship next season.
This is all about 2014, and the team now having enough cap space to build a team around a potentially star-studded free agency class led by LeBron James. This is all about the Lakers now having the potential to tap into a 2014 draft class with at least five guys who would have been No. 1 picks this season.
The wait between championships in the Shaq-Kobe era and Kobe-Pau era was seven years. This next pause won't be nearly as long, and a lot shorter than if Howard had remained.
Sometimes you have to lose a bit of yourself to find yourself. The Lakers are about 7 feet shorter today, and their ceiling is again limitless.
bill.plaschke@latimes.com
Twitter: @billplaschke
Take a hike, Dwight, and don't let your cape hit you on the way out.
Dwight Howard has been formally chased out the door of basketball's greatest franchise by its legacy, its pressure, and, apparently, a rousing recruiting challenge from Kobe Bryant.
PHOTO GALLERY: Dwight Howard and the Lakers
Does a city of starry expectations want its favorite basketball team built around somebody who doesn't have the shoulders for it?
It's a good day for the Houston Rockets, but a great day for the Lakers, who will watch Howard walk to the Rockets for less money, lower expectations, and probably four more years of mediocrity.
All together now: Whew!
Gone is perhaps the biggest one-year disappointment in Lakers history, an All-Star center who arrived here last summer bearing a championship promise he quickly broke with a lack of consistent intensity, a shortage of competitive focus and an absence of any sort of measurable refusal to lose.
His first play as a Laker perfectly summed up the dream that was D12. It was a thunderous dunk. His last play as a Laker perfectly summed up the reality that was Dwight Howard. He was ejected from the final loss in a four-game sweep by the San Antonio Spurs, abandoning his short-handed teammates and disappearing through the tunnel as an injured Kobe Bryant was hobbling out.
He spent much of the season recovering from back surgery, but even when he was close to 100%, his intensity was still 50-50. He played through pain, except when he didn't. He wanted the Lakers to be his team, except when it was his team. When Bryant suffered an Achilles' tendon tear, Howard also disappeared.
For two years, this column space pushed and prodded and finally begged the Lakers to acquire Howard, then celebrated when it did. The line for suckers starts here.
"The Lakers figured it out, they always do," I wrote after Howard's acquisition last August.
It turns out, I could write the same thing again with Howard's departure. Eleven months after the Lakers figured out how to trade for him, here's guessing they also figured out that he wasn't really worth risking a five-year title abyss to keep him.
Yes, they offered him the maximum contract of $118 million over five seasons, nearly $30 million more guaranteed than the Rockets' four-year offer. Yes, they put up these silly signs all over town and General Manager Mitch Kupchak said all these silly things about Howard being the franchise's future.
But in the end, it all seemed like an expensive game of chicken. For the sake of appearances, the Lakers had to make a very public pursuit of a player they really didn't want to catch.
There will be talk nationwide that the Lakers' failure to keep a star in the prime of his career for the first time in franchise history is indicative of the organization's dysfunction and eventual downfall in the wake of the death of Jerry Buss. And, certainly, there are huge front-office problems that sponsors and season-ticket holders will need addressed, such as, who is actually running this thing, anyway?
But don't kid yourself. If the Lakers really wanted to keep Dwight Howard, they would have kept him.
If they really wanted Howard, they would have fired Coach Mike D'Antoni instead of allowing him to sit in the room for their final pitch. That's right, the biggest barrier to Howard's re-signing with the Lakers was actually brought in to sell him on the Lakers.
If they really wanted Howard, Phil Jackson would have been the coach in that room, instead of escaping to Montana while communicating to Howard through Twitter.
If they really wanted Howard, they wouldn't have attempted to dissuade Kobe Bryant from telling him the truth. While the Rockets were undoubtedly convincing Howard of his greatness, Bryant was making a final pitch in which he challenged Howard to follow his lead and strive for that greatness. If Howard was truly fit to be a Laker, he would have grabbed at the shine of those five rings instead of cowering from it.
Finally, if the Lakers really wanted the glitter-obsessed Howard, they would have sold him with Hollywood, bringing in some of their courtside heavy hitters to close the deal. The problem was, the surprisingly Hollywood fans didn't want Howard either, and that reportedly includes Jack Nicholson.
The Lakers have won 16 championships on backs much broader than the one adorned with No. 12, with a winning ethic much more serious than the one showed by a guy who laughed and joked even after losses, with leaders who acted like leaders.
Howard was not that guy. He knows it, the Lakers know it, and it was confirmed to the world during an exit news conference in which he whined about the tough Los Angeles fans and heavy Lakers pressure.
So what happens now? Patience happens now. To frame this as a big loss for the Lakers is hugely wrong. To think of this as an ending ignores the possibilities that are just beginning.
The Lakers will enter next season led by a limping Bryant and a nine-lives Pau Gasol, which means they will not contend for a championship. But guess what? Even with Howard, they were not contending for a championship next season.
This is all about 2014, and the team now having enough cap space to build a team around a potentially star-studded free agency class led by LeBron James. This is all about the Lakers now having the potential to tap into a 2014 draft class with at least five guys who would have been No. 1 picks this season.
The wait between championships in the Shaq-Kobe era and Kobe-Pau era was seven years. This next pause won't be nearly as long, and a lot shorter than if Howard had remained.
Sometimes you have to lose a bit of yourself to find yourself. The Lakers are about 7 feet shorter today, and their ceiling is again limitless.
bill.plaschke@latimes.com
Twitter: @billplaschke
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
:rofl:
reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
pretty spot on analysis
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
cant say that about new orleans. but everyone here likes to hate on us anyways.
reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
maybe its just the phrasing of "maybe of new orleans better than most" makes it sound like you dont think new orleans has a loyal fan base.
otherwise, im not sure youve ever been new orleans during the NFL season. or anytime of year.
or sec country.
maybe big cities w/ no history, culture, whatever like HOU, ATL or southern FLA in general.
otherwise, im not sure youve ever been new orleans during the NFL season. or anytime of year.
or sec country.
maybe big cities w/ no history, culture, whatever like HOU, ATL or southern FLA in general.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
everyone of those cities has a "loyal" fan base
just fair weather, like phoenix, where i'm at...
not a lot of support for a loser, so better be in contention at least. not a ton of support for a 4-12 season, and i don't think NO is any different. some teams are that way (lions, bears, browns, etc)
fair weather fans galore down here
just fair weather, like phoenix, where i'm at...
not a lot of support for a loser, so better be in contention at least. not a ton of support for a 4-12 season, and i don't think NO is any different. some teams are that way (lions, bears, browns, etc)
fair weather fans galore down here
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
It is one where Southerners migrate to as well....like Houston
renew and I just hate Atlanta KJ lol...
reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
we hate the falcons yeah. but the saints doesnt have fair weather fans that you are convinced we have.
if you are gonna compare phoenix, atlanta, houston to new orleans in terms of fan support for their team i think you are way off base. not a lot of transplants here, and most will immerse themselves into the city's way of life. otherwise they hate it and leave. The whole saints connection to the city post katrina helps since it was such a strong symbol of hope. either way. your opinion is your opinion and I cant change it otherwise.
our NBA fans, ill give you that. they pretty much blow
if you are gonna compare phoenix, atlanta, houston to new orleans in terms of fan support for their team i think you are way off base. not a lot of transplants here, and most will immerse themselves into the city's way of life. otherwise they hate it and leave. The whole saints connection to the city post katrina helps since it was such a strong symbol of hope. either way. your opinion is your opinion and I cant change it otherwise.
our NBA fans, ill give you that. they pretty much blow
Coverdatspred
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Nah bro I wasn't taking it that way. I was just curious about what made you laugh. I honestly feel like the whiff on Dwight will be better for the Lakers in the long run than if they would have signed him. His personality is not something that the fans are used to in LA. The whole smiling and joking after losses got old real quick. He may care as much as anyone else but he sure doesnt do a good job of showing it.
reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
kaman and lakers have mutual interest
delfino back to the bucks, 3 year deal
jj hickson 3 year, 15 mil w/ denver
delfino back to the bucks, 3 year deal
jj hickson 3 year, 15 mil w/ denver
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
It is a hard sell for a small city with other options for entertainment and many poor folks
I think having the name change will help etc, but they will never sell out the seasons and all that...too much to ask
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orangemonk
Creep - Dee oh double gee
id rather have a year of kaman than 5 years of dwight.
Looks like Warriors are going to sign Speights to help the bench...
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">43m</small>
Hearing: Warriors closing in on free-agent deal with Marresse Speights. Details to come but one-year deal expected
and possibly Jermaine O'neal too...
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">26m</small>
One source close to process contends Warriors' forthcoming deal w/Speights, does NOT impact their pursuit of free-agent C Jermaine O'Neal
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">14m</small>
Warriors reach multi-year deal with F Marreese Speights, per source. ESPN first to report sides were nearing agreement.
Lakers going to amnesty MWP....
KEVIN DING @KevinDing<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">34m</small>
Sweet a guy as he is, @MettaWorldPeace will be waived via amnesty by Lakers to save about $30 million, barring some late change.
Bucks also added another player...
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">6 Jul</small>
Bucks get C Zaza Pachulia on a three-year deal worth $15M, per sources. http://ESPN.com first reported the sides were close to deal.
Warriors did get O'Neal...not that big a deal.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px;">46m</small>
One-year deal for O'Neal w/Golden State, helping Dubs fortify front line that has also added Marreese Speights to Bogut (and injured Ezeli)
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA<small class="time" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); position: relative; float: right; margin-top: 1px; right: 15px;">4h</small>
Detroit Pistons deal with Italian shooter Gigi Datome: two years, $3.5 million, source tells Y! Sports.
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