2013 'Bankrupt Ain't Gun Stop Us-But Jimmay WILL' Detroit Tigers Thread...
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I can't see the Tribe's season of dreams not bringing dana out of hiding ... although complaining about the Tribe is kind of his deal ... perhaps a Ubaldo shelling tonight could grease the skids instead.
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My goal Friday will be to get a picture with each and every bobblehead, lol.
My goal Friday will be to get a picture with each and every bobblehead, lol.
MINNEAPOLIS -- Phil Coke threw a fastball right where Eduardo Escobar could hit it.Escobar hit it right where Austin Jackson and Andy Dirks couldn't -- or at least didn't -- catch it.
The Detroit Tigers were two outs away from wrapping up their second close victory over the Minnesota Twins on Wednesday when Escobar stepped up to the plate with runners on the corners and one out in the bottom of the ninth inning. One pitch later, the Twins were on the field celebrating a 3-2 victory, their first walk-off win of the year. The Tigers headed to the clubhouse with their first loss and their first blown save of the season.
Will it be their last? Of course not. But considering the attention surrounding their closer situation since, well, since midway through the 2012 postseason, the outcome was sure to draw anger and angst from Tigers fans watching at home.
Tigers manager Jim Leyland has said all along that a closer-by-committee approach would be a second-guesser's heaven. He was right.
The game played out similarly to the one two days earlier, when the bullpen helped the Tigers hold on for a 4-2 victory over the Twins. But it started heading in the wrong direction when Joaquin Benoit walked the leadoff hitter in the ninth inning after working his way through the tough part of the lineup in the eighth.
Coke retired the next batter he faced before Brian Dozier singled to right field on a fastball that got to much of the plate. That put runners on the corners with one out. Escobar, who replaced Wilkin Ramirez in the game to start the eight inning after Ramirez had pinch-hit for Pedro Florimon, swung at the first pitch from Coke. It was another fastball out over the plate.
"I lacked finish on the last two fastballs I threw," Coke said. "That's really what it comes down to. I just did not finish it. I looked at the film and exactly what I felt is exactly what I did."
Escobar seemed like an unlikely candidate put a charge into the ball, even if it was in a bad spot. He had five extra-base hits -- none of them home runs -- and a .535 OPS in 139 career at-bats coming into the game. But he sent a fly ball to deep left-center. The ball hadn't carried at a cold and windy Target Field all day. But this one did.
"It looked like it was going out," right fielder Torii Hunter said. "I was like, 'This little dude's got pop like that?' But he took a nice little gangster hack, we call it, took a nice swing and put a charge into it. I thought he was an inside-out swinger, but he put some charge into that ball."
Coke was convinced right from the start. When he heard the ball hit the bat, he thought he had allowed a home run. In fact, even after the ball eluded Jackson and Dirks in left-center, Coke still thought he had allowed home run. Only when the ball came sailing back toward home plate did he realize the ball had bounced in front of the fence, not beyond it.
Jackson said he thought the ball would be caught when it left Escobar's bat. But it carried like no other ball hit Wednesday carried, and it ended up falling in. The ball was surrounded on three sides by the outfield wall, Jackson and Dirks. The two outfielders both appeared to stop short of the ball just before it hit the wall.
If it were hit 10 feet to the right or left, it probably would have been caught because Jackson and Dirks wouldn't have converged on it like they did. But the ball was hit where it was. And it landed where it did.
"It's tough in that situation," Jackson said. "It's tough to really call it when it's hit in between you like that. You're both going after it hard. Once you start to get closer you see each other out of the corner of your eye, a lot of people yelling. It's tough for him to hear me or me to hear him. It was just a tough play right there."
Tigers manager Jim Leyland was asked whether he thought the outfielders were there in time to make the catch or whether the ball was hit beyond them.
"I'm not really sure," he said. "I'd have to look at it. I'm not sure if it got up where they lost it or what. It looked like maybe they didn't quite get there, but I want to look at it before I make any comment on it."
Coke said he understood why the ball wasn't caught. He said he knows how hard it can be to track balls hit to that spot based on times he has shagged balls in the late afternoon prior to night games at Target Field.
"It was a tough spot," he said. "Both of the outfielders are crashing into the same spot. It was in that sun. … I can only imagine what it was like. They probably both had a good bead on it. But I couldn't tell."
There were other reasons the Tigers didn't win the game. They managed just seven hits -- all singles -- and two runs against Twins starter Kevin Correia and didn't do any damage once he left the game. The walk by Benoit to start the ninth inning didn't help at all.
Of course, the closer-by-committee approach will be under scrutiny anytime things go wrong. Coke struggled terribly against right-handers last season. Dozier and Escobar both hit right-handed.
Leyland could have pitched Coke in the eighth inning, when left-handed hitters Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau sandwiched right-handed power hitter Josh Willingham were due up. But Benoit has better career numbers against Mauer and Morneau -- he has allowed one home run to those two compared to the three that Coke allowed. And Willingham seems like the exact type of hitter -- a right-handed power hitter -- that most Tigers fans don't want Coke to pitch to.
If Coke had pitched the eighth and been burnt by one of those three, Leyland would have been second-guessed by those who wanted Benoit to pitch the eighth.
Of course, Leyland could have used Coke in the eighth and Benoit in the ninth. Or Coke or Benoit in the eighth and Octavio Dotel in the ninth. Or Al Alburquerque in the ninth in place of Dotel. There are numerous combinations. Those combinations will rarely be questioned when things end well and will always be questioned when they don't.
Of course, things might have turned out differently if Coke had executed those back-to-back fastballs to Dozier or Escobar or if Jackson or Dirks had been able to track down the fly ball to left-center.
"The adjustment I make is go out there and finish my pitch," Coke said. "That's the adjustment I have to make."
He's going to get his shot. It's a long season. The Tigers do not have a full-time closer. They are going to go with a committee approach. Things will get dicey at times. Everyone will have a different opinion on which pitchers should be used when.
But the Tigers are the best team in the American League Central Division. It would be a major surprise if they did not win the division.
But a baseball season is a 162-game grind. It's not going to be easy. Never is.
The Detroit Tigers were two outs away from wrapping up their second close victory over the Minnesota Twins on Wednesday when Escobar stepped up to the plate with runners on the corners and one out in the bottom of the ninth inning. One pitch later, the Twins were on the field celebrating a 3-2 victory, their first walk-off win of the year. The Tigers headed to the clubhouse with their first loss and their first blown save of the season.
Will it be their last? Of course not. But considering the attention surrounding their closer situation since, well, since midway through the 2012 postseason, the outcome was sure to draw anger and angst from Tigers fans watching at home.
Tigers manager Jim Leyland has said all along that a closer-by-committee approach would be a second-guesser's heaven. He was right.
The game played out similarly to the one two days earlier, when the bullpen helped the Tigers hold on for a 4-2 victory over the Twins. But it started heading in the wrong direction when Joaquin Benoit walked the leadoff hitter in the ninth inning after working his way through the tough part of the lineup in the eighth.
Coke retired the next batter he faced before Brian Dozier singled to right field on a fastball that got to much of the plate. That put runners on the corners with one out. Escobar, who replaced Wilkin Ramirez in the game to start the eight inning after Ramirez had pinch-hit for Pedro Florimon, swung at the first pitch from Coke. It was another fastball out over the plate.
"I lacked finish on the last two fastballs I threw," Coke said. "That's really what it comes down to. I just did not finish it. I looked at the film and exactly what I felt is exactly what I did."
Escobar seemed like an unlikely candidate put a charge into the ball, even if it was in a bad spot. He had five extra-base hits -- none of them home runs -- and a .535 OPS in 139 career at-bats coming into the game. But he sent a fly ball to deep left-center. The ball hadn't carried at a cold and windy Target Field all day. But this one did.
"It looked like it was going out," right fielder Torii Hunter said. "I was like, 'This little dude's got pop like that?' But he took a nice little gangster hack, we call it, took a nice swing and put a charge into it. I thought he was an inside-out swinger, but he put some charge into that ball."
Coke was convinced right from the start. When he heard the ball hit the bat, he thought he had allowed a home run. In fact, even after the ball eluded Jackson and Dirks in left-center, Coke still thought he had allowed home run. Only when the ball came sailing back toward home plate did he realize the ball had bounced in front of the fence, not beyond it.
Jackson said he thought the ball would be caught when it left Escobar's bat. But it carried like no other ball hit Wednesday carried, and it ended up falling in. The ball was surrounded on three sides by the outfield wall, Jackson and Dirks. The two outfielders both appeared to stop short of the ball just before it hit the wall.
If it were hit 10 feet to the right or left, it probably would have been caught because Jackson and Dirks wouldn't have converged on it like they did. But the ball was hit where it was. And it landed where it did.
"It's tough in that situation," Jackson said. "It's tough to really call it when it's hit in between you like that. You're both going after it hard. Once you start to get closer you see each other out of the corner of your eye, a lot of people yelling. It's tough for him to hear me or me to hear him. It was just a tough play right there."
Tigers manager Jim Leyland was asked whether he thought the outfielders were there in time to make the catch or whether the ball was hit beyond them.
"I'm not really sure," he said. "I'd have to look at it. I'm not sure if it got up where they lost it or what. It looked like maybe they didn't quite get there, but I want to look at it before I make any comment on it."
Coke said he understood why the ball wasn't caught. He said he knows how hard it can be to track balls hit to that spot based on times he has shagged balls in the late afternoon prior to night games at Target Field.
"It was a tough spot," he said. "Both of the outfielders are crashing into the same spot. It was in that sun. … I can only imagine what it was like. They probably both had a good bead on it. But I couldn't tell."
There were other reasons the Tigers didn't win the game. They managed just seven hits -- all singles -- and two runs against Twins starter Kevin Correia and didn't do any damage once he left the game. The walk by Benoit to start the ninth inning didn't help at all.
Of course, the closer-by-committee approach will be under scrutiny anytime things go wrong. Coke struggled terribly against right-handers last season. Dozier and Escobar both hit right-handed.
Leyland could have pitched Coke in the eighth inning, when left-handed hitters Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau sandwiched right-handed power hitter Josh Willingham were due up. But Benoit has better career numbers against Mauer and Morneau -- he has allowed one home run to those two compared to the three that Coke allowed. And Willingham seems like the exact type of hitter -- a right-handed power hitter -- that most Tigers fans don't want Coke to pitch to.
If Coke had pitched the eighth and been burnt by one of those three, Leyland would have been second-guessed by those who wanted Benoit to pitch the eighth.
Of course, Leyland could have used Coke in the eighth and Benoit in the ninth. Or Coke or Benoit in the eighth and Octavio Dotel in the ninth. Or Al Alburquerque in the ninth in place of Dotel. There are numerous combinations. Those combinations will rarely be questioned when things end well and will always be questioned when they don't.
Of course, things might have turned out differently if Coke had executed those back-to-back fastballs to Dozier or Escobar or if Jackson or Dirks had been able to track down the fly ball to left-center.
"The adjustment I make is go out there and finish my pitch," Coke said. "That's the adjustment I have to make."
He's going to get his shot. It's a long season. The Tigers do not have a full-time closer. They are going to go with a committee approach. Things will get dicey at times. Everyone will have a different opinion on which pitchers should be used when.
But the Tigers are the best team in the American League Central Division. It would be a major surprise if they did not win the division.
But a baseball season is a 162-game grind. It's not going to be easy. Never is.
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i hear marmol is available....
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Maybe Todd Jones will make a comeback.
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Panic move with an eye on the runaway Tribe.
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Bless you boys Tigers goes back to '84, Jack Morris, Sweet Lou, Alan Trammel, that fat closer ...
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songs and all?
detroit187
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quit going to opening day about 4 years ago, about the time i got sick of the cold weather down there, drinking myself to a pounding headache by 7pm, dealing with a bunch of ass clowns, paying $20 just to get in the very bars there is nobody in any other time of the year, waiting in lines for beer, waiting in longer lines and missing half the game to piss, overpriced parking lots and traffic to get home when it dumps out with rush hour traffic . its one game of 162, who cares?
that said, have fun if you're going down, be safe, i'm going to work
damn i am getting old
misschung
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My biggest problem with opening day is the bathrooms. If I'm drinking I have to piss often. On opening day u miss 1 or 2 innings standing in line. The bathroom behind home plate and closer to 3rd (by the carnival stuff) is the go to bathroom if you are anywhere near that one. It moves wayyyy faster than any other one in the park. #ballparkologist
Yup, that is my go-to bathroom as well. I usually sit over that way so it works out perfect.
I have actually never been downtown for 'Opening Day' so this is the year. Fuck going to the game though. I woulda bought tickets but with it being New York, no thanks wrt the prices. Think I have a pretty good plan having a hotel room so we can go in and out as we please. Also, have plenty of friends tailgates to go to so hitting the bars will barely happen. Then after a lot of people start heading back to the suburbs we will start getting dirty in the casino and strip clubs. Looking forward to it.
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Eggman will prolly just happen to be in town and let me know a few days later.
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Eggman will prolly just happen to be in town and let me know a few days later.
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Sadly this will be my 1 st opening day I will miss since moving to the new park. I will be in Pittsburgh for a wedding. There needs to be a cappingthegame meeting downtown for casino and a game this yr! I am down in Monroe.
Yeah, lets actually make it happen this summer sometime. It is always talked about and never happens but I am down for sure.
Carolina Guy
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I was a fan of the walk-in bar on the second level behind home plate. Don't recall being able to view the game live from there, but it was nice to have a bar in a baseball park for the common folk.
JumpOnBoard
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Bailey81? Prolly lost in the crash
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Scott's Tots.
GoIrish!
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i think thats who you are talkin about.. i never came in baseball forum much last year but when i did i saw baileys bases..didn't know if he was still around
Said user has been on since the crash fwiw...
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Back to .500!
detroit187
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that shit cray
detroit187
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hope you have fun, if its the first time well worth it, and spending the night down there the only way to do it....tell gwen at bazookis i said hello, priscilla is down for whateva
be safe, get a$$
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agreed, but when you are in greektown or mgm arent many other options unless you cab it to 8 mile or cross the borders, there are a lot bigger shit holes down 94
