SEC is a fraud

FadeTheHype said:
Heard some terrible reasons why Bama or others should "get in" over Indiana/SMU or others. Let's get this straight, SEC plays 1 less conference game, assuring 1 less loss for half the conference. Georgia is the only real player here with a great schedule overall. They are not the typical SEC powerhouse. Should have maybe 4 losses. ND will be on my betting menu.
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Great take! Need more of this!
 
FadeTheHype said:
Holy hell you might have made the worse take of all time
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No this thread is the worst all bitter cause it was proven iu were total frauds. They set this thing up so pen st woulda had to be awful not to get this far as they still havnt beaten a top 20 program all year. They put ducks and osu together so one had to advance. It’s clear the big10 had a lot of say in this shit show but fact remains you put a big 10 school into the sec schedule they lose double the games. Indiana was a joke, pen st still has played nobody, get over yourself. It’s a fact the sec been the best conf for 20 years, you know why it a fact, look how many more nfl draft picks come from there, that tells you who the most talented. It’s not rocket science, this just ramblings of what sounds like a bitter old hag. And I have no dog I don’t care bout sec, big10, or any other these garbage super conferences. Quite honestly in the regular season I prefer acc football cause I’m best betting that conf but I wouldn’t go saying they the best, I think they are more even across the board tho, no great teams and very few terrible teams.
 
Not even sure how or ehy anyone would have conf loyalty or hate at this point since the redic expansion where they all just letting anyone in is watering down every conf and making it impossible to crown a true winner of said conf when they all play drastically different schedules. It all quite stupid, ultimately it will create more frauds like iu who might come from any conf where a team gets lucky And only has to play the bottom feeders. If it makes you feel better iu went the only frauds. Having Boise and asu get byes was one of life’s all time tragedies. Smu was nowhere close to a top 12 team, I’d prob put them next to iu in the 20s, that woulda been a good game. But instead they gave 2 dog shit teams byes which made iu look bad, had iu played boise, smu, or asu they probably would have shown decently, although asu prob woulda punked them.

Long as teams play chicken shit out of conf schedules like iu did they all have a chance. And until iu schedules a team ranked in the top 200 out of conf you have no leg to stand on. The don’t have one quality win, that a fact, get over it already.
 
Damn ganes ti cap and we have 4 pages of this nonsense all cause iu wasn’t good?? Not even sure what that has to do with sec? Had mizzou gotten in id have said same thing about them. Conf doesn’t matter to me, whatever matters is who you play and iu played the easiest possible big10 schedule which was just dumb luck but the garbage they w scheduled out of conf was on them. Had they played any power 4 out of conf and actually won (which doubtful) I don’t think the argument as strong. Look at Clemson, they started the year playing Uga. So if they had a somewhat weak conf schedule you can at least credit them for not scheduling like scared frauds.
 
2daBank said:
Not even sure how or ehy anyone would have conf loyalty or hate at this point since the redic expansion where they all just letting anyone in is watering down every conf and making it impossible to crown a true winner of said conf when they all play drastically different schedules. It all quite stupid, ultimately it will create more frauds like iu who might come from any conf where a team gets lucky And only has to play the bottom feeders. If it makes you feel better iu went the only frauds. Having Boise and asu get byes was one of life’s all time tragedies. Smu was nowhere close to a top 12 team, I’d prob put them next to iu in the 20s, that woulda been a good game. But instead they gave 2 dog shit teams byes which made iu look bad, had iu played boise, smu, or asu they probably would have shown decently, although asu prob woulda punked them.

Long as teams play chicken shit out of conf schedules like iu did they all have a chance. And until iu schedules a team ranked in the top 200 out of conf you have no leg to stand on. The don’t have one quality win, that a fact, get over it already.
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That said if you don't think ASU was a top 12 team at the end of the season you're delusional. Likely a top 8 team. But their losses came against teams that weren't sexy names or preseason darlings.

The byes...who cares? This system is such a joke. To get to the championship game the only undefeated team in the country would have had to win a rematch against a top team (already we're fucked) then beat the other best team in Arlington which is 4 hours max from campus, and already full of grads anyway.

I don't know why we are so enamored with tournaments, basketball is enough. This is just the worst product for fans, but great for gamblers. So stupid.

Also....instead of a fun bowl atmosphere in FL/CA/AZ/TX....the incredible seasons for Indiana and Tennessee ended in South Bend and Columbus. And without tickets for many who would have traveled elsewhere. Hell SMU ended in Pennsylvania, they would have even traveled to a destination.
 
As an ISU fan I couldn't be happier for our base to get to go to Orlando and play Miami in what will be one of the most fun bowl games of the season.
 
FadeTheHype said:
Heard some terrible reasons why Bama or others should "get in" over Indiana/SMU or others. Let's get this straight, SEC plays 1 less conference game, assuring 1 less loss for half the conference. Georgia is the only real player here with a great schedule overall. They are not the typical SEC powerhouse. Should have maybe 4 losses. ND will be on my betting menu.
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Not all the sec schedules 3 little sisters of the poor like iu did. Uga was only missing their starting qb, iu woulda been even more pathetic if their 30 year old qb was out. So that not a good argument. Most of us knew Uga wasn’t gonna score on Irish. If they actually seeded the playoff fairly Irish wouldn’t even played round 1. The fact they were someone behind Boise and asu was a travesty. Irish beating a weakened Uga doesn’t change the fact the sec has won like 8 of last 10 championships (or something not gonna look it up), this 1st time Irish was able to get past any of them cause the top the sec was down, the depth was still better tho. You can’t find the amount of bottom feeders iu played. And again I know they don’t make conf schedule but when your out of conf consist of 3 little sisters of the poor you have no legit argument: Woulda been similar if mizzou got in losing to the only ranked teams they played. I’d have given them just as much shit. South Carolina on the other hand beat 4-5 ranked teams and got better as the year went which I think should be given more weight. What happened in a meaningless bowl doesn’t prove or change the argument since motivation is incredibly questionable. Like I previously said all these super conf are bound to create frauds like iu, the only way to negate it is for teams to grow balls and test themselves out of conf. Which brings me back to my biggest problem with Iu they pretty much set the precedent that you might as well schedule the worst teams that will play you since we have now shown it doesn’t matter if you beat a good team, if you go 11-1 not beating any quality team you get in, only thing nice bout it they were the easiest fade of all time when they played real teams
 
gps_3 said:
College football has always been cyclical. It just happened that this last cycle last 20 years. The SEC team that should be kicking themselves most is Ole Miss. I think they may have had the highest ceiling of all of them.
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Beating Georgia 28-10 is impressive
 
KJ said:
That said if you don't think ASU was a top 12 team at the end of the season you're delusional. Likely a top 8 team. But their losses came against teams that weren't sexy names or preseason darlings.

The byes...who cares? This system is such a joke. To get to the championship game the only undefeated team in the country would have had to win a rematch against a top team (already we're fucked) then beat the other best team in Arlington which is 4 hours max from campus, and already full of grads anyway.

I don't know why we are so enamored with tournaments, basketball is enough. This is just the worst product for fans, but great for gamblers. So stupid.

Also....instead of a fun bowl atmosphere in FL/CA/AZ/TX....the incredible seasons for Indiana and Tennessee ended in South Bend and Columbus. And without tickets for many who would have traveled elsewhere. Hell SMU ended in Pennsylvania, they would have even traveled to a destination.
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I've long been an advocate to return to the way it was before the BCS. Why do we have to have a tournament? I think it was awesome to have those regional matchups and tie-ins, and then if there are 2 or 3 teams that can claim a title, claim away. It's fun to argue about it.
 
gps_3 said:
College football has always been cyclical. It just happened that this last cycle last 20 years. The SEC team that should be kicking themselves most is Ole Miss. I think they may have had the highest ceiling of all of them.
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One team was better than every team they played this season and they are now sitting at home

Such a flawed sport
 
VirginiaCavs said:
Beating Georgia 28-10 is impressive
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I'm not sure if that's tongue in cheek or not, but as impressive as Notre Dame was yesterday, Ole Miss beat them much more soundly. I do not think that UGA was a great team this season, but they had probably the hardest schedule of anyone this season and somehow got through it with only 2 losses. I think it may have been Kirby's best coaching job, because they weren't able to just out-talent teams at all. By their standards, they were pretty mundane at QB, WR, RB, OL and in the secondary. And they had a turnover problem. It's a down year in the SEC. It's ok, it happens. I'm not sure I'd rise to the level of calling the conference a fraud, but while I think the depth is as good as it's ever been, there is clearly not a dominant team. Though I guess we rewrite this thread if Texas wins it all?
 
gps_3 said:
I'm not sure if that's tongue in cheek or not, but as impressive as Notre Dame was yesterday, Ole Miss beat them much more soundly. I do not think that UGA was a great team this season, but they had probably the hardest schedule of anyone this season and somehow got through it with only 2 losses. I think it may have been Kirby's best coaching job, because they weren't able to just out-talent teams at all. By their standards, they were pretty mundane at QB, WR, RB, OL and in the secondary. And they had a turnover problem. It's a down year in the SEC. It's ok, it happens. I'm not sure I'd rise to the level of calling the conference a fraud, but while I think the depth is as good as it's ever been, there is clearly not a dominant team. Though I guess we rewrite this thread if Texas wins it all?
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I meant what I said sincerely. Georgia is as you said very well-coached, it‘s a tough and physical team that beat Texas twice and that is hard to beat let alone soundly. But Ole Miss beat them by a very clear margin. If you look at the Rebels‘ roster, they have a really complete team that is solid throughout. It had a significant weakness like every team does, it’s weakness was on the OL and it got ruthlessly taken advantage of by a Kentucky team that was built to do it. If Ole Miss were in the playoffs I think they would beat ASU, Boise, Indiana, Texas, and possibly a couple others in addition to Georgia.
 
KJ said:
It's certainly become a lot more strange the last 25+ years

Like it's cute to us soccer fans
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not a whole lot of relation to soccer (And I believe GPS is a soccer guy, but maybe that was Crimson_Tide). Soccer has a balanced schedule across every league so it makes perfect sense to not have a playoff - but then they have Champions League or the Euro Cup before that to decide the champions of Europe. If NCAAF decided to do something similar across conference champions that would be fine.
 
~Utah said:
not a whole lot of relation to soccer (And I believe GPS is a soccer guy, but maybe that was Crimson_Tide). Soccer has a balanced schedule across every league so it makes perfect sense to not have a playoff - but then they have Champions League or the Euro Cup before that to decide the champions of Europe. If NCAAF decided to do something similar across conference champions that would be fine.
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I had zero need for Oregon to have to beat Ohio State a second time

Maybe you did. I did not.
 
~Utah said:
not a whole lot of relation to soccer (And I believe GPS is a soccer guy, but maybe that was Crimson_Tide). Soccer has a balanced schedule across every league so it makes perfect sense to not have a playoff - but then they have Champions League or the Euro Cup before that to decide the champions of Europe. If NCAAF decided to do something similar across conference champions that would be fine.
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I wouldn't say I'm a soccer guy, but I remember we used to post a lot about FIFA. I agree that the European soccer league model is probably the most fair, but no way that can work for American sports when there are so many more teams. Relegation would be fun though
 
VirginiaCavs said:
I meant what I said sincerely. Georgia is as you said very well-coached, it‘s a tough and physical team that beat Texas twice and that is hard to beat let alone soundly. But Ole Miss beat them by a very clear margin. If you look at the Rebels‘ roster, they have a really complete team that is solid throughout. It had a significant weakness like every team does, it’s weakness was on the OL and it got ruthlessly taken advantage of by a Kentucky team that was built to do it. If Ole Miss were in the playoffs I think they would beat ASU, Boise, Indiana, Texas, and possibly a couple others in addition to Georgia.
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Agree on the OL for Ole Miss, but I think they had the tools to work around it. They had a legit DL. I think Ole Miss vs Ohio St would be a fun, competitive game
 
KJ said:
I had zero need for Oregon to have to beat Ohio State a second time

Maybe you did. I did not.
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i dont get your point.

i think conference realignment and a committee picking the playoff teams is dumb, otherwise it makes sense to have a playoff in an unbalanced schedule sport.
 
gps_3 said:
I wouldn't say I'm a soccer guy, but I remember we used to post a lot about FIFA. I agree that the European soccer league model is probably the most fair, but no way that can work for American sports when there are so many more teams. Relegation would be fun though
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The money involved with owning teams in any sport here would make relegation impossible but it would be incredible
 
~Utah said:
i dont get your point.

i think conference realignment and a committee picking the playoff teams is dumb, otherwise it makes sense to have a playoff in an unbalanced schedule sport.
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All the playoff has done is make it more imbalanced

I scrongly disagree
 
Not sure how Penn State beating SMU at home and beating Boise on a neutral somehow makes them a final 4 type team

Oregon already beat Ohio State, should they have just gotten a bye? But then they'd have to play Texas in Dallas

It was so much better in the 90s

Even the year Miami beat down Nebraska in the Rose Bowl it was a lot better than this turd fest
 
~Utah said:
the previous system was a bunch of old men, that didnt watch every game, voting on #1
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Well that was at least MUCH better than this shit show

Notre Dame and Penn State are playing for a chance to win this worthless title. One lost at home to Northern Illinois. The other is Fukkkkkkn Pennsylvania State that has a future tire salesman at QB.
 
~Utah said:
i have no idea what your point is
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Cool

I slept through the 2h of the Rose Bowl and part of the Sugar Bowl

Seriously doubt I make any kind of plans for the next round and I'm pretty sure most won't. But we gamble I guess..

Shit's played out. It's college footbal and it should be over by now. I'm not sure how anyone can be a fan of this.
 
A broken clock is right twice a day. The SEC still the most dominant conference in CFB the last umteenth years.

Doesn't matter what happens in a random year. They are still dominant.
 
gps_3 said:
College football has always been cyclical. It just happened that this last cycle last 20 years. The SEC team that should be kicking themselves most is Ole Miss. I think they may have had the highest ceiling of all of them.
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They did.

Took that future last January.

Still irks me.
 
It's been abundantly clear for at least 25 years now

Your team is good or you cheer for their conference. Pretty sure you team sucks if you need to hug the conference they play in for support.
 
SEC this year:
- Bama lost Saban
- Georgia lost Beck very late in the year or that ND game might look extremely different
- LSU lost Heisman Trophy winner Jayden D.

And we wonder why the SEC was "down" this year? LOL

They will be back with a vengeance. We all know that.

And, if tex-ASS wins it all, they will run with that even though we all know that school is a Southwest Conf turn Big 12 Conf power, not a true SEC school yet, not even close.

But they are playing great football....
 
PNGFROM2003 said:
Since 2000
Big 10 championships - 3 by 2 teams
SEC championships - 14 - by 5 teams

Many of those were head to head between conferences with most going the SECs way Im not looking it up but I personally remember beating the greatest Ohio State team per the hype machine.
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My understanding was that Clemson beat the greatest Ohio State team, in 2019.
 
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