Penn State vs. Notre Dame Discussion Thread

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Notre Dame -1.5 and 46.5 per BOL as of 15 mins after prior game finished.

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And here we go / commence the Peanut and Allar fade.

Like or better talent lining up against PSU it's never a question.
 
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PSU has a big advantage with 2 extra days to rest +/-. That's why they kicked this afternoon to get the teams home tonight to minimize that edge.

ND has a quick turnaround. Kicking almost exactly one week from tonight.
 
Frank Costanza said:
PSU has a big advantage with 2 extra days to rest +/-. That's why they kicked this afternoon to get the teams home tonight to minimize that edge.

ND has a quick turnaround. Kicking almost exactly one week from tonight.
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So, like a regular game week.

Same kinda feeling as a team playing Thursday vs a team play Saturday.

ND did get the extra rest from end of regular season to Indiana. PSU was getting ran in Indy.
 
Frank Costanza said:
PSU has a big advantage with 2 extra days to rest +/-. That's why they kicked this afternoon to get the teams home tonight to minimize that edge.

ND has a quick turnaround. Kicking almost exactly one week from tonight.
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I do understand though that out of all these teams, ND is at the most disadvantaged by the situation.
 
B.A.R. said:
So, like a regular game week.

Same kinda feeling as a team playing Thursday vs a team play Saturday.

ND did get the extra rest from end of regular season to Indiana. PSU was getting ran in Indy
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All points well taken.

This is game 15 for both teams. Uncharted territory. Still, 20 year-old kids should be pretty damn resilient.

It's Franklin and Allar. I'm fine with that.
 
B.A.R. said:
He will.

This should be closer to 6 imo.
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Hell I could see 7.5

Good spot to just ML it, not like people won't be betting PSU. Two massive fan bases will keep this much shorter than it should be.
 
rambler882 said:
Penn St for me
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PSU defense is built to stop the run. I need to look it up how much they blitz bc leonard is good vs blitz, bad in pocket.Other side… ND rush def is ranked outside top 50, maybe in 80s. I just am not sure how ND puts up more than 17-20

Need to look more but initial lean is psu for me
 
Coaching mismatch but this should be an old school classic. Biggest factor is health. Abdul Carter’s availability, PSU no shot if he’s out. Left after first quarter vs Boise. Love banged up again for Irish, no chance he sits but no chance hes 100%. Carter can chase down Riley. Have OSU v PSU future but lean ND here just not as strongly as many of you.
 
rambler882 said:
PSU defense is built to stop the run. I need to look it up how much they blitz bc leonard is good vs blitz, bad in pocket.Other side… ND rush def is ranked outside top 50, maybe in 80s. I just am not sure how ND puts up more than 17-20

Need to look more but initial lean is psu for me
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You guys are gonna be pretty interested when I do my write up about that run defense.
 
WolverineWise said:
Nobody is concerned Riley’s #s were brutal tonight and they beat a back up QB?
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Not at all.

They were the better team coming in and were the better team in the field.

Riley ran the ball very well tonight.

Other than the TD pass after the sack strip, he didn't need to go down the field much.

Let defense, special teams do their thing and protect the ball.

He played winning football tonight. Helluva game!
 
It felt like Notre Dame controlled this game from the start. Even the 2 running into the punter showed how much they felt they could get to the punter. Absolute brilliant 4th & 1 move by the Irish staff to keep the ball and run the clock on their last drive. Ohio State vs Notre Dame would be a pretty intriguing Finals. Best of all, it’s not for 3 weeks!
They need to find a way to extend the season into the spring! Lol
 
B.A.R. said:
Not at all.

They were the better team coming in and were the better team in the field.

Riley ran the ball very well tonight.

Other than the TD pass after the sack strip, he didn't need to go down the field much.

Let defense, special teams do their thing and protect the ball.

He played winning football tonight. Helluva game!
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Are we thinking this is more of Michigan v PSU game from previous two years?
 
WolverineWise said:
Are we thinking this is more of Michigan v PSU game from previous two years?
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That's not how I capped it...

But certainly could be.

Notre Dame has a lot of Michigan in them with this team. Not always pretty but they win.

You notice a few other schools going with some manball concepts this year.

I think with the portal, the trenches are even more important now.

Penn State is a very solid team. I like the running backs a lot. I was huge on Drew when he was still a frosh. While he's good, he's come up a bit short of my expectations to be honest.

Freeman and Frames is no contest, tonight showed me Coach is up to the task.
 
B.A.R. said:
That's not how I capped it...

But certainly could be.

Notre Dame has a lot of Michigan in them with this team. Not always pretty but they win.

You notice a few other schools going with some manball concepts this year.

I think with the portal, the trenches are even more important now.

Penn State is a very solid team. I like the running backs a lot. I was huge on Drew when he was still a frosh. While he's good, he's come up a bit short of my expectations to be honest.

Freeman and Frames is no contest, tonight showed me Coach is up to the task.
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I think Drew their weakest link on offense and again w you I didn’t expect that
 
splinter65 said:
This. 100%. Allar hasn't lived up to the hype, but the WRs get ZERO separation. Even their TEs have to contest every ball. If they can run against ND, they have a shot in a rock fight. If they can't, not sure Allar will have the time to wait for the WRs to get open
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Think if Irish win it will once again be on Riley legs. That really the edge he brigs other than just managing the game he willing to stick his head down and get big 1st downs sacrificing his body.
 
All things being equal I’d expect both offenses struggle to move the ball. Pen st needs to get their running backs involved in passing game cause no way psu WRs seperate vs an Irish secondary that mostly be playing on sundays., Gotta get those backs into space.
 
2daBank said:
All things being equal I’d expect both offenses struggle to move the ball. Pen st needs to get their running backs involved in passing game cause no way psu WRs seperate vs an Irish secondary that mostly be playing on sundays., Gotta get those backs into space.
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Great point re: throwing to backs, will definitely be looking at Singleton rec yards over prop as he's gotten consistent looks in the passing game over Kaytron Allen all season.
 
B.A.R. said:
That's not how I capped it...

But certainly could be.

Notre Dame has a lot of Michigan in them with this team. Not always pretty but they win.

You notice a few other schools going with some manball concepts this year.

I think with the portal, the trenches are even more important now.

Penn State is a very solid team. I like the running backs a lot. I was huge on Drew when he was still a frosh. While he's good, he's come up a bit short of my expectations to be honest.

Freeman and Frames is no contest, tonight showed me Coach is up to the task.
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Only thing that concerns me slightly are the starters out for ND. Believe 4 or 5. Don’t like PSU and JF is a clown coach, but losing very good players against a similar team is a bit worrisome.

That said, if Carter can’t play no way PSU wins.
 
B.A.R. said:
So, like a regular game week.

Same kinda feeling as a team playing Thursday vs a team play Saturday.

ND did get the extra rest from end of regular season to Indiana. PSU was getting ran in Indy.
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Yeah, rest doesn't seem to be a plus factor.
 
If Allar plays even reasonably well he will change his mind and enter the draft and at worst be the third QB picked. Still I'll be on Notre Dame and possibly the under as well.
 
I'm not a fan of Allar at all but when he goes to the combine and shows off his big arm some team will go crazy and draft him in the top 10 especially in a draft like this where the QBs all suck.
 
I've seen a lot of posts discussing the Penn State rush defense. There is this myth that this group is fantastic and I think that's a bit off base. I've watched them and think they do a fine job but let's remember that this PSU team has faced a pretty light schedule this year.

Remember -- no OSU, Oregon or UM on preseason schedule. I think that's why many had them going into playoffs initially. Yes, UM had a down first few months but if they played in November, who knows?

Oregon did become reality due to the CCG at least.

Auto wins this year :

Maryland
Purdue
Washington
Wisconsin
UCLA
Kent St.

The Illinois game (remember that 19.5 point spread) proved to be a quality win.

The USC comeback and win basically saved their season looking back now.

The late win at Minnesota honestly felt wrong for Gophers fans. Great CFB game though.

Back to the rush defense.

I want to look at the rush defense vs other playoff teams and the USC, Minnesota and Boise State games.

Let's start with the good:

Darius Taylor was held in check with a 17-58 showing. Overall, the Minny team just touched 100 yards. Excellent showing here.

We saw a great effort last week vs Boise State. Jeantay is known to have a bunch of 3 yard carries but usually busts a few. His 30-104 was excellent work.

Now, the flip side.

The game in USC -- not good:

Mark's 20-111
Joiner 3-82

Also in October OHIO STATE:

Judkins 14-95
Henderson 10-54

That's a 24-149 combo

Big Ten Champ game in Indy:

James 20-87
Whittington 15-82

That's a 35-169 combo there


My point here is very good teams will run the ball on PSU somewhat effectively. Will they be chunk runs all day? No. They'll make you work a bit.

That being said, a patient ND team who features the best running QB the Nittany Lions have seen, should be able to rush for over 100 yards in my estimation.
 
I have ND ML top unit and like it a lot.

I'll adjust on the live market if need be but I feel pretty good about this overall.

PSU playing last years schedule would not have made the playoffs, or at worst barely sneaked in.

The playoffs opponents have been from lesser conferences.

Notre Dame has one really good test this postseason at least


Coaching is a mismatch. Frames will do something stupid in the heat of the moment.


26-17 Final is what I see.
 
B.A.R. said:
I have ND ML top unit and like it a lot.

I'll adjust on the live market if need be but I feel pretty good about this overall.

PSU playing last years schedule would not have made the playoffs, or at worst barely sneaked in.

The playoffs opponents have been from lesser conferences.

Notre Dame has one really good test this postseason at least


Coaching is a mismatch. Frames will do something stupid in the heat of the moment.


26-17 Final is what I see.
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I could see something like 13-10 and don't think either team will move the ball at all.
 
Not able to get out of my head Notre Dame losing to N. Illinois who lost to Buffalo who lost to UConn. Irish didn’t actually have a schedule noteworthy of being good.
 
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