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Playoffs Opening Round

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</TD></TR><TR><TD width="100%" colSpan=17>NFL Football - 1/3/2009</TD></TR><TR id=e151210 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e151210', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40></TD><TD id=score width=50>1/3
4:30P
</TD><TD id=team width=135>101 Atlanta Falcons
102 Arizona Cardinals
</TD><TD id=bets width=45>2946
</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>31%
69%
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>-3+120
51 -105
</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>-1-122
50.5 -105
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>-2.5-110
50.5 -110
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50.5 -103 -103
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>-1-125
50.5 -110
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8:00P
</TD><TD id=team width=135>103 Indianapolis Colts
104 San Diego Chargers
</TD><TD id=bets width=45>0
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>0.0-114
49 -105
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49o-119
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>-1-115
50 -110
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49o-131u+120
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51 -110
</TD></TR><TR><TD width="100%" colSpan=17>NFL Football - 1/4/2009</TD></TR><TR id=e151213 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e151213', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40></TD><TD id=score width=50>1/4
1:00P
</TD><TD id=team width=135>105 Baltimore Ravens
106 Miami Dolphins
</TD><TD id=bets width=45>1838
</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>82%
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>-3-104
36.5 -105
</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>-3-120
37u-106
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>-3-125
37 -110
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37u-108o+101
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>-3-125
37 -110
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4:30P
</TD><TD id=team width=135>107 Philadelphia Eagles
108 Minnesota Vikings
</TD><TD id=bets width=45>1838
</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>73%
27%
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>-3+105
43u-112
</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>-3-109
41.5o-112
</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>

</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>-3-120
42 -110
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>-3-109/+103
41.5o-111u+103
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</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>

</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>-2-140
42 -110
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Seeding :
<TABLE width=600><TBODY><TR><TD>AFC
1. Tennessee: Sat. Jan. 10, 4:30 ET (CBS)
2. Pittsburgh: Sun. Jan. 11, 4:45 ET (CBS)
6. Baltimore at 3. Miami: Sun, 1 ET (CBS)
5. Indianapolis at 4. San Diego: Sat, 8 ET (NBC) </TD><TD>NFC
1. NY Giants: Sun. Jan. 11, 1 ET (FOX)
2. Carolina: Sat. Jan. 10, 8:15 ET (FOX)
5. Atlanta at 4. Arizona: Sat, 4:30 ET (NBC)
6. Philadelphia at 3. Minnesota: Sun, 4:30 ET (FOX)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Not sure if this correct but think 5 of the 8 teams (Indy , ATL and Zona excluded) had to win to get in the playoffs today . Uncertain about Minny but think they had to see if CHI lost and played at the same time. Essentially the ONLY team who rested this week was INDY and they still won 23-0 for 9 straight W's....Zona needed a good game and Atlanta needed a win for a possible higher seed...

ATL away 4-4 @ Zona 6-2 Home
Philly away 3-4-1 @ Minny 6-2 Home

Balt away 5-3 @ Miami 5-3 Home
Indy away 6-2 @ SD 5-3 Home

Technically all higher seeds favored at the moment with Indy opening around PK and sliding to -1 ..

:cheers:A good week of discussion is ahead ..

 
In all seriousness, the Eagles are hot athe right time and got a 'great' first round matchup. They should beat Minny if TJ is at QB and Childress knows it.
 
Yanks26Sox7 said:
kinda scares me...but i already backed 3 road teams.
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Got the PM BTW and thanks for the well wishes ..

As for this on the fence with Balt because I think they win not sure I can lay that price with a rookie QB making his 1st playoff start. Liked how Miami defense played and Crowder clearly is important to them(difference bewteen last week) . The Jets were under constant pressure all day . I played Balt the 1st time as +3 dogs which I thought was a joke , thought Pkem was fair but hard to believe enough has changed since that my idea of PKem was correct midseason and have value in -3-120 ..Miami is ugly they dont make many mistakes and they impressed me with how many plays they put themselves in position to make on offense . Although Jets DBs just watch the ball in the air rather then stick up a hand or just stick up a hand like a coach would do in basketball practice to halfass challenge a jumpshot.

Not sure I can even make a case for Philly. I loved the Eagles today had little doubt they would win today and the lopsided score is due largely to defensive TDs . Dallas was nowhere near 100% either . Philly on the road has not impressed especially on offense . Giants played one helluva game today and that lessens how it looks Minny escaping by 1 point . They never really allowed Minny to develop momentum. Last 2 weeks vs playoff teams and granted it was a watered down NYG team but they were decent size favs now FG home pup . Playing a team who lost SU @ Wash 2 weeks ago , was smoked @ Balt , tied 13-13 @ Cincy ? Think 1-2-1 Last 4 away winning @ NYG but also was near a TD dog and the teams are essentially equal . Whats NYG -1.5 on a neutral field maybe. Lost @ Chi and @ Dallas early on near playoff teams . IMO the Dallas game shouldnt have been that close and @ Chi they should have won and were minus Westbrook . Still only other wins vs the BAD versions of the 2008 NIners and SeaHawks ...which the good versions werent all that good either...Minny only lost games to Indy and Atlanta which they should have won but self destructed especially 7 fumbles vs ATL ..Eagle road offense ? 13 @ Cincy , 3 @Balt , 20 @ NYG , 3 @ Wash and thats the 2nd H of the season..

Philly actually only had 303 yds of offense on 57 plays. The 44 is very misleading ...3-4 FGs , 3-3 red zone effeciency and 3-3 goal to go ...think about 44 pts and just 3 trips inside the red zone ? They had some huge 1st H 3rd down conversions when they were moving the ball...HUGE...1st TD on 3rd and 7 PHI 35 gets the 59 yd pass to Buckhalter on the 2nd TD drive 3rd and 8 at his 31 gets 15 yd reception plus later on a 3rd and 9 at the DAL 37 with 4 remaining to half gets a 34 yd reception....After this DAL fell to pieces with 4 consecutive TO's resulting in 24 pts and 17 directly with the other being Eagle ball at the DAL 42 around 2 minute warning.....

Also Minny had the ball 10 minutes in the 1st Q and then just 15 minutes the remaining 3 Quarters so the defense was on the field all afternoon. Only bad play Jackson picked off in the end zone..

SOrt of like the UNDER but also like EAGLE TT UNDER if we get 21.5 or better ...

With Indy the Chargers always play them tough and if I could get a FG with SD would definetly be on them. SD is hot now but LT got hurt today so that bares watching . Indy had a real SOFT schedule down the stretch and even today Tenny didnt show up after winning a Super Bowl type game last week vs Pitt...

Look @ Indys wins since the SD game they won on the last play could they play an easier schedule ?
@ CLE Anderson was around and Colts missed some scoring chances but one's of the worst Colt offensive games in recent memory . Win on a fumble for a TD in the 4th Q 10-6
vs Cincy win 35-3 -credit Cncy for its last season play but they beat teams with issues on offense and played better then 35-3 @ Indy . They missed chances and the defense tired ...who expects Cincy to give Indy a game at RCA?
vs Det win 31-21 -healthy for them DET team was tied at 21-21 with about 10 minutes to play ....
@ Jax win 31-24- payback for the arch rival but Jags played on hell of game but Indys pass offense was just sick . Then when you see what Balt and Flacco did today it waters it down some cause the Jags are just that bad vs the pass
vs Tenny they win 23-0 and IMO Titans just didnt show up at the 2 minute warning it had something like Tenny 7 plays ran vs Indy 42 !
Think these 5 went 5-20 L25 games and thank Cincy for for going 3-2 otherwise it could be alot worse ..

Now granted Indy didnt have Addai , Sanders , some starting DTs , Harrison for some of these games either but were are talking pure bottom feeders.

Indy 6 road wins all came late as in the 4th Q
@ Minny by 3 win the 4th Q 11-0 so trailed by at the start
@Houston by 4 win the 4th Q 21-7 and rally for 21pts in 2 minute span with 4 minutes to play
@Pitt by 4 win the 4th Q 7-3 , tied after 3 Q's score a TD after Pitt takes 20-17
@SD by 3 win on FG as time expires , lose 4th 10-6 stalled for FG to lead 20-10 and then SD rallied for 10 points in the final 1/2 of the 4th Q
@ Cle by 6 (win on fumble recovery for a TD in the 4th Q) key win the 4th Q 7-0
@ Jax by 7 (win on pick6 and Garrard takes sack in the red zone in closing seconds)key is 17-0 advantage in the 4th Q so down 10 to start

KEY : Indy wins the 4th Q in 5 of 6 of their wins and outscores opp 69-20 ...also know INDY offense had huge issues scoring early this season on the road dont think they ever cracked 10 in the 1st H .....

The last one ATL @ Zona have to look closer but Falcons laying anything on the road ina tough venue with a medicore defense having a rookie QB seems like overreaction to the last month ...

Probably shouldnt even mention a TEASER but
SD , Minny and Zona sure looks nice giving 3 HOME TEAMS at least DDs...

Really leaning hard to 3 home dogs and +3.5 with Miami going to be hard to pass up because they playd Balt tough to a key INT flipped the momentum..:cheers:
 
Not a very appetizing card IMO. I generally think NFL playoff ball is my best time of year but I hate this first round card.

I think Baltimore is a better team than Miami. I think Miami could be just happy to be there. However I have trouble backing a rookie QB on the road when that team won once already on the road at that place. It's always much tougher to win the second time when your best gameplan has been revealed. I'll pass on a side. I just don't think it's clear cut at all.



Chargers for sure if LT is healthy.

Interesting line with the Eagles-Vikings. Makes me lean Eagles but I hate putting money on the Manatee.
 
Joe Public said:
In all seriousness, the Eagles are hot athe right time and got a 'great' first round matchup. They should beat Minny if TJ is at QB and Childress knows it.
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Pounded the Eagles today knew Dallas was dead in the water but HOT ? They lost 10-3 @ Washington which was a "payback " spot , they beat CLE who hasnt scored an offensive TD in 5 weeks or so , they had a nice win vs NYG when they were struggling trust me the Giants who faced the Vikes today were the Giants not the clueless cant play in the Meadowlands winds versionPhilly saw , Zona on Thanksgiving ? They have played good defense in this stretch but the offense is still questionable . Today 3 great 2nd Q plays and conversions on 3rd down were the key to the 14 pts they scored but the next 24 were all of DAL turnovers and 17 really came w/o the Eagle offense running a play....we saw how at home vs CLE they moved the ball but struggled in the red zone , 3 @ Wash , solid 20 @ NYG but again only about 320 yds of offense ...so timely plays an field position helped...

Think Philly favored @ Minny is kinda ridiculous to be honest especially after everyone line up to lay -7 with Minny when it was common knowledge Eli was playing a half and Carr who is about as good as a backup in the NFL these days . Now after laying -1 at home vs Dallas its better to lay -3 @ Minny?

Only question I have left is whats the reason behind the line ? To attract Minny money or the over inflated perception of Philly ?
 
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</td> <td class="oddsText_even" align="center" valign="bottom" width="58" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> -2.5
48½</nobr></td> <td class="oddsText_even" align="center" valign="bottom" width="61" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> -1.0-110
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37</nobr></td> <td class="oddsText_odd" align="center" valign="bottom" width="59" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> </nobr></td> <td class="oddsText_odd" align="center" valign="bottom" width="61" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> -3.0-120
37</nobr></td> <td class="oddsText_odd" align="center" valign="bottom" width="67" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> </nobr></td> <td class="oddsText_odd" align="center" valign="bottom" width="61" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> </nobr></td> <td class="oddsText_odd" align="center" valign="middle" width="42" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> </nobr></td> </tr> <tr class="oddsText_even"> <td style="position: relative;" valign="bottom" width="100%"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td height="13">01/04 4:30 PM</td> <td align="right"></td> </tr> <tr> <td>107 Phila.</td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>108 Minnesota</td> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> NFL WILDCARD ROUND
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42</nobr></td> <td class="oddsText_even" align="center" valign="bottom" width="61" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> XX
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</td> <td class="oddsText_odd" align="center" valign="bottom" width="58" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> -1.0
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PK -110</nobr></td> <td class="oddsText_odd" align="center" valign="bottom" width="61" nowrap="nowrap"><nobr> XX
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Minny opened as a 1 pt fav...and philly got flat out pounded. So they weren't asking for Minny $ to begin with. Just the opposite.
Imo, Philly and Minny both have their issues on offense. The difference here are the defenses. Philly can stop the run...Minny can't stop the pass.

The balt opener seems semi-appropriate. Just think the fins hang tight at home, in a defensive battle...as long as they don't shoot themselves in the foot with turnovers.

SD actually got the earliest $, bringing the line down. The bottom line for me here though, having watched SD all year, is that they can't stop anyone on defense. And Peyton wills his team to those 4th Q wins. Imo, they so outclass SD this season...that if SD's not the beneficiary of those Manning picks, as was previously the case...then i dont see them having a shot to win.


And it seems to me they were asking for zona $ from the get-go...they jsut didn't get it. Horrible defense in the southwest, giving up 1 fewer pt than the high powered offense scored all season.
 
that didn't paste very well...

but atlanta, san diego, baltimore, and philly definitely all got the early steam...with philly getting the most of it.
 
how is indy -1? they only blowout teams at home and all other games been one score either way. think imma tease sd with something else...
 
MusicCityGambler said:
Not a very appetizing card IMO. I generally think NFL playoff ball is my best time of year but I hate this first round card.

I think Baltimore is a better team than Miami. I think Miami could be just happy to be there. However I have trouble backing a rookie QB on the road when that team won once already on the road at that place. It's always much tougher to win the second time when your best gameplan has been revealed. I'll pass on a side. I just don't think it's clear cut at all.



Chargers for sure if LT is healthy.

Interesting line with the Eagles-Vikings. Makes me lean Eagles but I hate putting money on the Manatee.
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In reference to Balt @ Miami clearly see the Ravens as the better team as well . Still a better team by 3 pts is essentially a PK @ Miami at -3-120 is Balt then really basically a TD better Miami on a neutral field ? Trust me I faded Miami today but they are like a watered down version of Balt really . Balt has some better names on defense but Miami front is very good and would think QB and RB still Miami has the edges ..

Balt favored only once away all season @ Cincy and lets face Balt just shutdown the Cincy offense.

I had Balt +3 and +3.5 1st meeting ....checked back on Yahoo Sports the game was GRADED an UPSET in the Pkem Pool because only 36% of the people who picked thought Balt would win. Which tells be it was probably a coin flip in the eyes of public perception back then and Miami was -3 in that one . Now probably more people seeing Baltimore as the winner and you get -3 instead of +3 . Huge loss of value in my eyes...

Two things about that game as well in 2007 Miami's only win was yep Balt and their OC is Cam Cameron or their 2007 Head Coach .

Mindful of Cameron’s history in Miami, the Ravens gave him a game ball.

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“This is going to go home to my wife Missy and to my kids, because it’s a lot tougher on them than it will ever be on us coaches,” Cameron said in the locker room, his eyes watery and his voice breaking. “That’s why it’s a little emotional. … When you give your heart and soul to something and it doesn’t work out, some of that pain comes back.”

Balt was also in the midst of a 3 game losing streak and was 0-4 previously @ Miami including losing last year their I believe in OT ..

Balt is 8-2 since then but Miami is 9-1 only losing the NE payback shotout which was near impossible for them to win like Balts 3rd straight road game @ NYGthat resulted in a 30-10 loss that doesnt tell the whole story ...For as much as knock Miami in fairness to them the only was NE and they have played 4 of 5 away since then ....

Pennington was 24/35 295 yds TD / INT but the INT was a pick 6 TD...

Baltimore frequently went with no huddle, and the tempo worked for rookie Joe Flacco, who was 17-for-23 for 232 yards.-- Like what you stated about having to show their best game plan and seemed the no huddle aspect was part of their success and that element of suprise is gone just like Miami 's wildcat offense which nothin in that game anyway like 5 plays for 2 yards..

Also NT Jason Ferguson left in the 1st Q and did not return . So Miami notorious for staying healthy and not losing turnovers or committing them had a pick 6 TD and lose a starting DT in teh 1st Quarter while playing their former HC and Balt happened to be Miami 's only win in 2007......

Looking at the game a pick 6 in a 3-3 game is clearly huge but on Miami 's FG drive to start the game they had the ball inside the 5 yd line and settled . Miami had 9 possessions and ONE and OUT ! Which was a 4th Q drive after McGahee had fumbled at the Miami 5 ...

So besides giving them a HUGE 7 points on the pick 6 , they also lost 4 pts on the opening drive by settling for 3 points and later had the ball inside the Balt 15 down 14 points so went for it on 4th down and failed to convert rather then kick the FG because it made no sense with the time left. Even after the INT Miami again drove inside the BALT 10 and again settled for a FG making it 10-6 but the defense let them down allowing Balt to get a TD in the minutes before half. Down 17-6 it could have been 14-3 Miami if they played better and suspect Balt had momentum after holding Miami to a FG... and Balts FG was the result of a 15 yd catch on 3rd and forever that made a 47 yd attempt possible which is a role of teh dice with Stover at this point...it was 3rd and 26 not forever..lol and TD before half on 3rd and 9 at the 11 they scored with 30 secs left easily could have been just a FG...everything just seemed to BREAK rght for the Ravens that game... even McGahee's fumble at the 5 of Miami was terrible but considering Balt was 3rd and 17 from the 46 it wasnt like Balt was sitting in the red zone...

So really 13 pts on a TD , 2 FGs that were inside the 5 and 10 yd lines plus a stopped on downs in the 4th Q at the Balt 15 ish....

Only knock is Camarillo had a solid day 6r 74yds though 2r 28yds came on the last drive in the final seconds so useless...

Miami @ +3.5 is going to be near impossible to pass up . Especially seeing how broke the Cowboys team is by getting blasted @ Philly sort of waters down the Ravens win last weekend..:shake:Think the Balt offense is alot like Philly has been away when I look at how they played vs the 7 playoff teams on it schedule Pitt twice (20,9), Indy(3) , NYG(10) , Miami(27) , Tenny(10) , Philly (36)and near playoff teams like Wash (24)and Dallas(33)

All the games they broke 20 they had at least 7 from the defense ...well the Dallas game became a laugher with long TDs in the closing sminutes
 
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that didn't paste very well...

but atlanta, san diego, baltimore, and philly definitely all got the early steam...with philly getting the most of it.
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These arent lines though they are just recommendations made . I agree game should be Minny -1 and seems to me its Philly -3 because thats why books feel they can get away with ..

To be honest I never pay attention to what LVSC sends out or rarely unless it somehow is in something I read where they thought it should be...

Not disputing it but just saying I cant really comment on something I dont use and see as just another perception tool...Its a barometer really and nothing more

5 Dimes had Balt -2-130 while the Pinny had them -3-104 and Oly -3+105 , Indy PK and so did Pinny but Olympic had -1 , ATL was -2-120 @ 5 dimes but -3 +120 @ Pinny then -3 +105 @ Olympic , Philly was -2-130 @ 5 dimes while -3 +105 @ Pinny and Olympic.....

All the spreads above came out around kick of the SD game and the last one around 11 shortly after ......

so really to be just seems like the only difference is 5 dimes doesnt mess with ++ vig which is why the opened lower just adjusting the vig....

Does anyone have a TICKET written at the LVSC spreads ? In all seriousness ? Cant see how since they are just a service...:shake:
 
At this point :

Leaning to Arizona , strong lead to SD but LTs status is huge , all but decided on playing Miami at +3.5 on the buy and Minnesota +3 or better naturally want +3.5 regardless of cost ..okay not -140 ..

Looking at Atlanta past 3 wins TB , Minny and STL which two where home they could have lost any of those . Zona did swoon but NYG , @ Philly , @ NE in snow , vs Minny at home ...

ATL also win @ Oak , win @ GB by 3 vs a decimated GB team , win @ Minny but played medicore at best and was lucky , and @ SD where they almost lost but played muchbetter then a 6 pt win....so 3 roads win by 3,6,7 lost @ Philly , @ Car and @ TB all by DDs with comparable IMO loss @ NO as +3.5 ...Saints comparable to Zona IMO ...

Guess in my eyes the HOME PUPS present a ton of value
 
5dimes as of now.... early steam on atlanta and balty?

kind of tempted to take philla -3 @-10 cents now before this one goes up....

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Cap read POST 14 ....dont see ant early steam at all ...especially on those games....

5 Dimes had Balt -2-130 while the Pinny had them -3-104 and Oly -3+105 , Indy PK and so did Pinny but Olympic had -1 , ATL was -2-120 @ 5 dimes but -3 +120 @ Pinny then -3 +105 @ Olympic , Philly was -2-130 @ 5 dimes while -3 +105 @ Pinny and Olympic.....

All the spreads above came out around kick of the SD game and the last one around 11 shortly after ......

so really to be just seems like the only difference is 5 dimes doesnt mess with ++ vig which is why the opened lower just adjusting the vig....

Really the lines have not moved . The difference seems to be 5 Dimes just doesnt throw the + vig out there they just drop it and use the corresponding vig ....-2-130 is -3-110 essentially.....:shake:

Also SportsInsights has just 2 books reporting Carib Sports and TradeWeb...so those are the %s we see ...

 
Nut:shake:

How sold are you on the fish? I agree 3.5 points in a grinditout, defensive-minded playoff game at home presents the value... but how effective can chad be when ricky and ronnie are shut down and hes looking at 3rd and longs?

reed and the ravens secondary can cheat up and play shallow because you and i both know chad does not have an arm for the deep ball, and all that underneath stuff chad loves to work isnt effective anymore.
 
Only 2 I like fellas is Zona as a dog at home and the Colts/Bolts under.I expect it will climb. So I will wait. Infact I expect the Zona spread and Colts total to climb. I have Zona winning this one and the Colts game around 41 ish.Gl fellas.
 
Glad to see you leaning towards SD i like them as well.... although i hate betting against peyton in this revenge spot from last years playoffs here. Dangerous...

But can indy win in qualcomm twice in the same season...especially with a window of only one month between games.

colts have shown their DL is undersized and vulnerable against the run..... and SD has the more physical line and should be able to wear them down with the run and dominate the time of possession (like they did tonight) to help keep peyton off the field

I like the balance they had on offense tonight and the 1-2 punch of LT sproles....
and this is due to jackson coming on in this second half of the season-stretching defenses and keeping secondaries honest with the deep ball threat.

Bolts are playing their best football now and have their backs to the wall while i think indy has a lot of expectations and if they dont succeed this season dungy's job is in serious jeopardy.... lot of pressure for indy.
i think sproles is a big x-factor in this game as he only got 2 carries when the teams met last month and we can look for him to be a lot more involved in this matchup....

will wait on a gates status on his ankle since he left injured in tonights game..

anyways tired as hell and its late gonna sleep on these other games, good thoughts as always nut and BOL this season bro:cheers:
 
3rd & Long said:
I'm unloading on Minnesota.
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I assume your waiting until game time to unload for a better #?

Really think from what I have initially seen across the 3 major message boards this morning....that the "books will clean up this weekend"
 
Marlo Stanfield said:
I assume your waiting until game time to unload for a better #?

Really think from what I have initially seen across the 3 major message boards this morning....that the "books will clean up this weekend"
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Not only that, I live in Philly and use locals. :smiley_acbe:

This is going to be a sad town next Sunday night, except for maybe myself and the local bookies.

Birds offense last 4 road games - 3, 20, 7 & 13

And it's the last game of the weekend, the chase game. :36_11_6:

I can't wait until this weekend. :cheers:
 
Really? You like Minnesota?

Youre gonna back Travaris Jackson against Jimmy Johnson in a playoff game? And feel confident about that? Really?

Philly's defense might outscore Minnesota by themselves...

Only chance Minny has is if Andy looks at Minnys defense and decides they can be beat through the air and completely abandons the run and McNabb is off...

Now, theres a chance that happens...but not enough of a chance to put money on Travaris Jackson in my opinion...
 
CapTwo said:
Nut:shake:

How sold are you on the fish? I agree 3.5 points in a grinditout, defensive-minded playoff game at home presents the value... but how effective can chad be when ricky and ronnie are shut down and hes looking at 3rd and longs?

reed and the ravens secondary can cheat up and play shallow because you and i both know chad does not have an arm for the deep ball, and all that underneath stuff chad loves to work isnt effective anymore.
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Have not been a big Fish believer and faded them most of the way down the stretch . Which went well for awhile but not the past 2 weeks. As a team I liked what I saw . They had the confidence that NYJ didnt have . They pressured the Jets seemingly every play and almsot felt like they had NY's playbook which laying playing Balt a 2nd time should be a huge plus for them .

All I can say about Pennington is he did underthrow couple deep balls yesterday which one his WR came back and caught it bewteen 2 Jet defenders and the other he had Ricky Williams on some sort of wheel route wide open streaking down the sideline which Ricky bobbled and dropped . Think both long throws came off trick plays so maybe thats there was of disguising his arm .

How effective can he be ? The good part is we can measure that since he played them already . He looked pretty effective to me and would hope they run the ball slightily better this time around . Looking at the 1st 5 possessions for Miami vs Balt last time and not even counting the 295 yds and 8.4 YPA , his Dolphins score a TD , kick 2 FGs but stalled inside the 5 and 10 of Balt and the other 2 drives resulting in a punt and INT where near midfield and he moved the ball on those drives as well (20++ yards)...

Now Balt defense had just 34 sacks , led with 26 Ints , allowed 17 passing TDs which is solid, allowed 41 plays of 20yards or more and 6 of 40 or more..its good but teams can make plays on it ...:shake:
 
Smokedawg said:
Really? You like Minnesota?

Youre gonna back Travaris Jackson against Jimmy Johnson in a playoff game? And feel confident about that? Really?

Philly's defense might outscore Minnesota by themselves...

Only chance Minny has is if Andy looks at Minnys defense and decides they can be beat through the air and completely abandons the run and McNabb is off...

Now, theres a chance that happens...but not enough of a chance to put money on Travaris Jackson in my opinion...
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How bout Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jason Campbell ? What happened to Philly in those games ? The offense ?

No way should Philly be -3 @ Miami when they have scored 13 , 3 , 20 and 3 last 4 games away . With the offense showing little improvement in general . Forget Arizona who has the worst pass defense ever 36 TDS allowed through the air and on a short week , on Thanksgiving night vs a desperate Eagles team after playing the Giants .

Your asking Philly to win by 4 and getting 17-21 points is a tall order ....and the Eagles run defense is solid but thats all ...AP needs to hold onto the ball...While Philly played well @ NYG they also had value on their side and the MEadowlands swirling wind . TD dogs @ NYG they are somehow -3 @ Minny ?

Campbell and Flacco beat them and Fitzpatrick tied them so you really want to lay points knowing that ? :shake:
 
nawlins51 said:
Only 2 I like fellas is Zona as a dog at home and the Colts/Bolts under.I expect it will climb. So I will wait. Infact I expect the Zona spread and Colts total to climb. I have Zona winning this one and the Colts game around 41 ish.Gl fellas.
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Good stuff . Think Arizona's comparable opponent for ATL is Minnesota and that game pounded the Vikes who defense is loads better then ATLs and they were 4.5 dogs so ATL as road chalk is an overreaction. Did we forget they almost lost at home to the Rams ? Plus the other shaky play in the last month ....:cheers:
 
Smoke kind of beat me to my reasoning. This game has nothing to do with the Eagles, really. It has everything to do with Tavaris Jackson and the Vikings' O-line. If that line has an exceptional day and TJ doesn't lose his s**t, the Vikings can win. If not, the Eagles dominate this team.

And it's not like the Eagles are a great team, but this matchup completely favors them and the Eagles are playing well right now.

Obviously, as SN brings up, the Washington game was a mess. But if you know the NFC East you knew that game would be close. As SN also said, the Cowboys' game should have been closer than it was. That's just how those teams matchup--and, you know, it doesn't help when Birds' WRs are dropping TD passes.

Obviously if Pat Williams comes back off that shoulder injury for this game it'll have an impact, but other than Arizona, this is the one team I really like the Eagles against. They're going to make TJ beat 'em and against that secondary I just don't see that happening. The Vikings under TJ just aren't the same team and the Vikings' secondary is bad enough that Donovan should be able to move the ball well.
 
Joe Public said:
Smoke kind of beat me to my reasoning. This game has nothing to do with the Eagles, really. It has everything to do with Tavaris Jackson and the Vikings' O-line. If that line has an exceptional day and TJ doesn't lose his s**t, the Vikings can win. If not, the Eagles dominate this team.

And it's not like the Eagles are a great team, but this matchup completely favors them and the Eagles are playing well right now.

Obviously, as SN brings up, the Washington game was a mess. But if you know the NFC East you knew that game would be close. As SN also said, the Cowboys' game should have been closer than it was. That's just how those teams matchup--and, you know, it doesn't help when Birds' WRs are dropping TD passes.

Obviously if Pat Williams comes back off that shoulder injury for this game it'll have an impact, but other than Arizona, this is the one team I really like the Eagles against. They're going to make TJ beat 'em and against that secondary I just don't see that happening. The Vikings under TJ just aren't the same team and the Vikings' secondary is bad enough that Donovan should be able to move the ball well.
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a couple of things.

Yesterday we wanted Philly...because Dallas "scared" us.... today were all shitting our pants because we know as does everyone what will happen to TJ with the way the Eagles scheme.

Pat Williams will play 100% for sure. He will not be 100% though. NO word on Ray Edwards...his replacement Brian Robison out of Tejas isa pass rusher not a run defender....Edwards is a run defender.. Giants also ran a ton at Jared Allen....with success..

I think Philly gets the edge as the better team coming in right now. But I think there equal for comparing apples to apples for the whole season. Vikes and Eagles both won some games they shouldnt have and lost some games they should have won.

Biggest thing I think people are forgetting is this is in Minnesota....we haven't had alot to talk about the last few years for sports teams...and having a home playoff game is huge....

The Giants forced TJ to become a pocket passer yesterday....that is not when he is at his best....He is best when he can move around....he through a few passes yesterday that reminded me of the old TJ. Peterson had 1 run of 60+ other than that he was non existent.

Another thing Childress was in Philly for what 7 years....so give us an edge here as he understands how Ried/Mcnabb think.
 
Joe Public said:
Smoke kind of beat me to my reasoning. This game has nothing to do with the Eagles, really. It has everything to do with Tavaris Jackson and the Vikings' O-line. If that line has an exceptional day and TJ doesn't lose his s**t, the Vikings can win. If not, the Eagles dominate this team.

And it's not like the Eagles are a great team, but this matchup completely favors them and the Eagles are playing well right now.

Obviously, as SN brings up, the Washington game was a mess. But if you know the NFC East you knew that game would be close. As SN also said, the Cowboys' game should have been closer than it was. That's just how those teams matchup--and, you know, it doesn't help when Birds' WRs are dropping TD passes.

Obviously if Pat Williams comes back off that shoulder injury for this game it'll have an impact, but other than Arizona, this is the one team I really like the Eagles against. They're going to make TJ beat 'em and against that secondary I just don't see that happening. The Vikings under TJ just aren't the same team and the Vikings' secondary is bad enough that Donovan should be able to move the ball well.
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Pat Williams says he is playing .

I really dont disagree except with the part they are going to make Tavaris Jackson beat them. I think he and the rest of the Minny offense just has to protect the ball. What I do think is at -3 the value is gone . At a PKem your logic is sound but saying they have to win by 4 points to me creates zero value in a con flip game.

Doubt the Philly offense beats Minny through the air because they didnt do it versus Cincy , Balt , Wash or NYG (19/30 190 yds)...

The Eagle pass attack is avg on the road and Minny pass defense in general is avg but had the #1 ranked rush defense .

Look at the Home / Away splits :
Philly on the road avgs 5.9 YPA and Minny allows 6.0 YPA.
Completion Rate : 57.8 vs 58.9
QB Rating : Philly away 70.4 vs Minny 75.1

Vikes allow 30.4 3rd down rate and 25.o on 4th down

Just think to much name dropping with Eagles rather then looking at both teams at face value...

facing Childress , in a dome , on the road..:shake:


 
Also remember had games @ SF and @ SEA when both were going SOuth which were their sexiest games on offense away. So those are watered down even further but look at the game @ SF 3-7 in the red zone and 2-4 in goal to go and think about the home game vs CLE.....they stall in the red zone ...

Look at Minny's home schedule and they had 1 easy game all year and they didnt play well . Excuse? It was a short week after the BIG MNF road win @ NO which followed a game @ TEnny .

Otherwise : Indy , Carolina , Houston , GB , Chi , Atl and NYG ....which if people think the Giants took it easy or didnt take the game seriously they are mistaken . Giants have depth so they lose a guy and the backup isnt much of a dropoff at so many positions . Thats why their blue collar team does well as starters are few and far bewteen...

Point is Minny had 1 bad team and maybe Houston soft defense so what they did staistically at home is not watered down. With Philly they had 2 poor teams and defenses and really Cincy wasnt anything to write home about either but will say thats the same as hosting Houston.....
 
Smokedawg said:
Really? You like Minnesota?

Youre gonna back Travaris Jackson against Jimmy Johnson in a playoff game? And feel confident about that? Really?

Philly's defense might outscore Minnesota by themselves...

Only chance Minny has is if Andy looks at Minnys defense and decides they can be beat through the air and completely abandons the run and McNabb is off...

Now, theres a chance that happens...but not enough of a chance to put money on Travaris Jackson in my opinion...
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They're going to have to if they want the W.
 
Chargers pick'em +110 6 Units.

This is all I'm going to play.

Colts are a team that has survived the regular season. They won an extremely tight game in SD, which was their revenge for last year's playoffs and past frustration against SD. The facts are that SD has owned Indy for the last couple years. This time the Bolts will be the team with the emotional edge and the Colts are going to fly all the way out West.

I just don't buy the Colts at all. Easily the worst 12 win team I've ever seen with numerous teams handing them games with unforced errors and stupidity. They're undoubtedly gritty as they didn't quit when many teams would have at 3-4 and they are well coached but they don't stop the run like a high caliber playoff team should. They don't run like one either.

The Medieval War Horses and Rivers are playing great which doesn't bode well for the Colts. Once LT gets going it will open up the field for Rivers to do whatever he wants.
 
All of the back and forth on the Phi/Min game is making me think under 42 is the best play. Phil supporters are making the case that TJ sucks and Phil's defense will shut down the Min offense. Min supporters point to Phil's lack of offensive in their recent road games. Personally, I don't think either team can get to 21 without a defensive or special teams TD.
 
Posted this elsewhere, but I'll share it with the rest of the class -

We need stupid people to make reflex bets and move the line our way. Plus the money we win does not appear out of thin air, it has to come from somewhere. The good news is that there is an endless supply of new stupid people to replace the old stupid people that go bust or eventually learn how to win, and the cycle continues.
The really treacherous thing about this game is the fact that it is the last game of the weekend, and everyone will be more than happy to chase their losses or donate thier winnings on the Eagles. This is a cruel, mean game that the oddsmakers play, and if I can help just one person from losing their bankroll then this diatribe will have been worth the effort.
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And as far as the Eagles go, in the 3 point effort against the Skins, they were missing 2 WR's (Curtis & Baskett) and I expected them to struggle. If anyone is truly interested in breaking this game down instead of being a cheerleader, go and take a look at the Eagles body of work on the road this season, it is not impressive.
Lost to Dallas, Washington, Baltimore, & Chicago, and tied the Bengals. Won at SF (game was back & forth, SF blew it late), beat a wounded Seattle team, and beat an injured Giants team. Find me a legit road win that translates to them laying a FG on the road in a hostile dome in the playoffs? This offense was so bad at the Ravens that they benched McNabb and everyone was calling for Reid's head. That was a mere month ago for anyone with memory issues. So the Eagles are running the ball better now, and that's the difference? Good luck with that against the Vikings.
Minny is 6-2 SU at home, with losses to 2 quality playoff teams - Indy by 3 and Carolina by 10. So 7 out of 8 times this year they would have cashed or pushed getting three (I expect to be getting 3.5 or more come Sunday)

So go ahead, sit there chanting E-A-G-L-E-S, I'll be riding the Vikings here.
 
Show me an impressive home win by the vikings this year?

Week 3 against Carolina? Maybe...but thats too early in the season to mean anything...both teams are different
Week 6 against Detroit? 2 point win over the worst team of all time?
Week 9 against Houston? Texans lost their QB in the first half...
Week 10 against Green Bay? A one point win over a terrible team...
Week 13 against Chicago? Probably their most impressive home win of the year...
Week 17 against NYG? David Freakin Carr was the QB....thats not impressive...
 
Just some quotes around the boards I have read this morning about the Philly/Minnesota game

"Philly should be -14"

"Philly with ease"

"vegas giving away free money again, Eagles "to the bank"

"eagles all day"

"eagles for a huge play, and I never lose my huge plays"

Current SI stats Philly 84%, Vikings 16%

Current WL stats Philly 73% Vikings 26%

Current Logans.com stats Philly 96% Vikings 4%.

One of the books I use is showing 82% on Philly and 18% on the Vikings.

Take it for what it is, it could mean something to someone, and nothing to others. Games still have to be played on the field.....but whenever I see shit that seems to good to be true.........well
 
i could see some reasons to be philly--head to head ats, last 5 games vs minn last 2 games, minny's home ats this year (which can be explained because of how gaudy their preseason expectations were..), the qb advantage (i think..., yes the qb advantage...definitely...i think), coaching advantage

but i have no idea how anyone could be excited to lay points with this philly team on the road. if i wanted to put cash on philly here i'd be doing it reluctantly and be scared as hell. minny runs the ball better and stops the run better---also more than doubling the rushing ypc differential. they have a better turnover differential--yes, tj turns the ball over too much, but if you don't expect philly to turn it over here on the road i think you're being unrealistic. you have the "my, how perception changes fast" angle of how philly was supposed to dismantle their whole team a few weeks ago after the qb was benched due to performance and the hc was supposed to be fired---they are now easy money? you have very hungry fans in one of the loudest stadiums in america combined with one of the best defenses in the league. it's one of maybe two other teams in the nfl that can say they have the better rb than the eagles

philly on the road---sf game was a lot closer than the score indicates--and it's the niners pre-singletary. seahawks and giants games were one of the worst spots of the season for both teams--and can we really call seneca wallace-led seahawks an impressive win? in most of their other road games they looked like a bottom tier team, and didn't win any of the others...some real stinkers in there getting absolutely crushed by balt, the tie game in cincy, and losing to wash in a borderline must-win. i really have a hard time believing they should be favored here
 
good thoughts Joe. I'm trying to be as un-homer as possible here.

Just a FYI we have 20k tickets to sell out b4 Thursday. Only about half of the regular season, season ticket holders opted to purchase the Playoff tickets.

Normally Best Buy/Target etc (headquartered in Mpls) would buy up some of these tickets, but with the economy the way it is for retailers...don't look for them to buy these. I'm not real worried though about them selling out...Vikings have had 1 game blacked out in there history....and that was a meaningless game at the end of the season in the 90's.
 
It's an incredible overreaction to a convincing HOME win against what we now know was a pretty fraudulent Cowboys team. The Redskins debacle was the game before that, it amazes me how perceptions change from week to week in the NFL.

Same thing in the Colts / Chargers game. Yes, they had a convincing home win, but it was against Denver. They already lost to the Colts on that field this season, and the Colts come in much healtier than they were a month ago. San Diego shouldn't even be here, 5 of their 8 wins were against the AFC West, talk about sneaking into the playoffs.

May as well keep going. Of course the Ravens are going to blow out the Dolphins on the road with a rookie QB, the defense will dominate the Fish. Pennington can't beat them. You mean the same defense that allowed nearly 300 passing and another 100 rushing in the last matchup on the same field?

Next thing someone will try to tell me is that Matt Ryan will go into the desert where nobody wins and the Falcons will beat that sorry ass Arizona team, you know, the one that hardly ever loses at home, even when the sucked.
 
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Exactly...the Minnesota game was a fluke..we caught them at the right moment and had a ton of momentum going into that game....but another classic example was that game people couldnt get to the betting window fast enough to unload on Zona -3.
 
Funniest part of all of this - do any of the teams playing this week have a shot the following week? Traditionally, very few do, and there are some elite teams getting some rest this week in the Giants, Carolina, Tennessee & Pittsburgh.
 
3rd & Long said:
Funniest part of all of this - do any of the teams playing this week have a shot the following week? Traditionally, very few do, and there are some elite teams getting some rest this week in the Giants, Carolina, Tennessee & Pittsburgh.
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My thoughts are it will be very tough for the Giants to repeat...jsut my thoughts...if you stop the run...you can beat them.. Carolina is a beast right now...the most balanced team in the playoffs imho. Tennessee can be beat...if you stack the box and make Kerry beat you. Pittsburgh...depending on Bens health could go down as well...eventually they have to score points against a team on the same level as they are....with as weird as this league has been this year...I don't think you have a clear cut favorite in either the AFC/NFC.
 
"Same thing in the Colts / Chargers game. Yes, they had a convincing home win, but it was against Denver. They already lost to the Colts on that field this season, and the Colts come in much healtier than they were a month ago. San Diego shouldn't even be here, 5 of their 8 wins were against the AFC West, talk about sneaking into the playoffs. "

i like that you lean the other 3 home teams, but i disagree with you here. the chargers are very overrated and have been all year, but the colts are the most fraudulent 12-4 team i have ever seen. big wins against pitt and new england, and a bunch of garbage. who the hell gets to play cleveland, cinci, detroit, jax, and a second string titans team for their last 5 games of the year? it's tough to beat a team twice, especially since this team has won 3 of 4 against you including a playoff last year, and have covered 5 of 6. you suck on grass, you can't run the ball, you can't even come close to slowing down the run, and lt looks like he has finally fully recovered and should have a field day.
 
really, marlo? i think carolina is a joke, and i believe they lose straight up to whomever they face in the divisional round
 
i think that if anyone is really really high on carolina, they should go watch the raiders and lions games
 
broadwayjoe said:
really, marlo? i think carolina is a joke, and i believe they lose straight up to whomever they face in the divisional round
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Well assuming its Philly or Minny correct? Philly maybe...but Minny won't go in there and beat them.
 
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