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Brewers ml 3u and +1.5 2u. F5 1u
F5 under @ mets 5u and under 4u
arizona ml 5u
over @ reds 10u----rain
over @ miami 6u - little scared after yesterday gift gs
miami ml 6u
moore over 6k's 6u
Yankees ml 7u
over 5u and over yanks tt 4u
naturally hate myself for talking myself off of rays n over....lol
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Jesus. WTF are they waiting for at Cincy. Just call it. Look at this picture
https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/351894191535697922/photo/1
https://twitter.com/hankschulman/status/351894191535697922/photo/1
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Just called the Cincy game.
P-Unit
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arcia k'd 1st
GatorsLeafsBills
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11pm and no bets going. Man what a shitty night.
you older then me...lol
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no kidding. need hoops to start back up for some late night degen bets.
I've resorted to betting on Japanese baseball (unsuccessfully of course haha).
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I could only wish I was able to bet that. I got Tampa Bay pending to complete a 3 team parlay (Cin/TB/Was)
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:thumbsup2: im on one for life
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Im taking Na Li -2.5 (-120) & Marion Balotelli -120 in Wimbeldon tomorrow.
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Live. Breathe. Blue.
Winning run at 2nd for the Mutts...1 out
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Meant -2.5 Games
CASH
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Only by a few... Funny show all around just shitting
On the Germans from ww2 prison camp
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Agree. Think it's going to be a Favorite day in Wimbeldon.
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I want to see the line for Nestor in Doubles. Might fade him tomorrow.
I love the old shows...I always watch some random shit insteqd of the games. Lately its been good times just funny how much things have changed. Never really watched hogans heroes but that's bob crane, right?
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I don't get into anything football until 2 weeks before the season. I go to my cottage then and I take Phil Steele CFB, Blue Ribbon CFB and a NFL mag and sit outside, smoke cigars and read.
Cottage has no Internet or Cable so it's the perfect spot to relax and read.
Cottage has no Internet or Cable so it's the perfect spot to relax and read.
CASH
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Exactly- he was a dirty pervert in his time and is death
Is still considered suspicious ..
Another funny show is get smart...
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I recommend tailing UMIAMICAPPER
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[h=1]MLB relievers' motto: 'Throw until you blow'[/h]Matt Slovin, USA TODAY Sports9:07 p.m. EDT July 1, 2013
[h=2]Relief pitchers aren't usually 100% healthy when they enter games, but they'll never tell[/h]<aside itemprop="associatedMedia" itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/ImageObject" class="single-photo expandable-collapsed" style="clear: left; float: left; position: relative; width: 180px; z-index: 100; margin-bottom: 20px;">
(Photo: Charles LeClaire, USA TODAY Sports)
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PITTSBURGH -- It has taken all of Jason Grilli's 11 seasons in the major leagues to finally find a home.
He has an endearing nickname ("Grill Cheese") and job security that he never had enjoyed, as the closer for the Pittsburgh Pirates, who surprisingly have the best record in baseball. Grilli, 36, even has his own foreboding entrance -- set to Pearl Jam's Whipping -- that signifies to Pirates fans an impending win.
Although he enjoys all the creature comforts that come with a closer's role -- and a potentially huge payday awaiting him in free agency when he's eligible after the season -- Grilli realizes he's the exception and not the rule when it comes to journeymen relievers.
"I've had a gravel road," says Grilli, who leads the National League with 27 saves in 28 chances, and is certain to make his first All-Star team when rosters are announced Saturday. I couldn't wait to be in this position, and here I am doing it. And I've embraced it entirely."
For good reason. Grilli's peers in relief are inarguably baseball's most disposable commodity. They are used, at times, to excess by managers but also motivated to flourish and hopefully survive long enough to earn a signficant payday.
That path is fraught with peril and difficult choices.
For every Craig Kimbrel, who emerged from the minor leagues in 2010 ticketed for immediate relief stardom with the Atlanta Braves, there are hundreds of long guys, set-up men and situational leftys aiming to complete an unlikely path: Perform consistently enough in a volatile role to stick around at least three years, where a life-changing payday through arbitration eligibility is in the offing.
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Philadelphia Phillies reliever Chad Durbin (45) says even if a pitcher is a little sore, he needs to tell the manager he's ready to go.(Photo: Howard Smith, USA TODAY Sports)
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That third year in the major leagues, says Philadelphia Phillies reliever Chad Durbin, is when the pressure to perform is the strongest.
"If you know that there's incentive out there, you're going to push a little differently," says Durbin, in his 14th MLB season. "If it's the difference between making the minimum and three times the minimum, that's a significant raise, and those are what everyone shoots for in every sport."
The motivation produces a code of sorts among relievers and those who manage them: Throw until you blow.
When relievers need to get relief
Unlike other players nursing, say, a hamstring injury, a reliever's aches and pains aren't so glaring to the untrained eye.
Colorado Rockies pitching coach Jim Wright said it's his job to be the eyes of the staff. Because pitchers don't want to leave games or admit they need a day off, he needs to be in tune with all of his relievers.
Of course, adequate rest for the relievers is contingent on the starters lasting deep into games.
Washington Nationals pitching coach Steve McCatty acknowledged that the overarching mentality of most relief pitchers is, in fact, to throw until you physically can't. Rarely do guys come to him and ask not to pitch, but that doesn't stop McCatty from checking. If his pitchers insist they're ready to go, there's not much McCatty can do but hand them the ball.
"It is (throw until you blow)," McCatty said. "You hate to say it, but that's what they do."
It's rare for someone in the bullpen to feel 100% physically fit when he enters a game, says Durbin, and that's fine to him.
"We'll go until we can't go, period," Durbin, 35, said. "Usually, we get yelled at when we do get hurt because we didn't say something soon enough. But that's the nature of the beast. You go as hard as you can until you can't go any more."
Opinions vary over how easy, or honorable, it is for pitchers to tell their managers they can't throw in a particular game.
Jonathan Papelbon, the Phillies' All-Star closer, says if he isn't feeling ready to go, he'll tell someone. Durbin, however, says that if a pitcher is a little sore or only at about 85%, he still needs to tell the manager he is good to go.
"I would hope that almost every one of them says exactly that," Durbin said.
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Washington Nationals relief pitcher Tyler Clippard (36) says he bases his availability on any given night on how the rest of the bullpen is feeling.(Photo: Richard Mackson, USA TODAY Sports)
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But aches and pains are relative, particularly if a bullpen has to absorb an inordinate amount of innings in just a few days.
Nationals set-up man Tyler Clippard views a reliever's ability to beg off as case-by-case, based on what he might know of his teammates' availability.
Nationals manager Davey Johnson tends to err on the side of caution when a pitcher's status is in doubt. McCatty said he and Johnson will go back nine days to see how many times each reliever has entered games and how many times he has gotten up to throw in the bullpen.
Johnson is especially keen on getting relievers into the game who have been warming up, rather than sitting them back down. And if Johnson tells one of his pitchers he has the night off, he'll never go back on his word.
"You've got to be stubborn with your thought processes, come hell or high water," McCatty said. "Davey has the ability to do that."
Caught in the middle are the pitchers, who, like special-teamers in football, realize if they can't go, others are willing to fill the void.
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New York Mets relief pitcher LaTroy Hawkins (32) is in his 19th major league season, with his 10th team.(Photo: Anthony Gruppuso, USA TODAY Sports)
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LaTroy Hawkins of the New York Mets, a 19-year veteran who has pitched for 10 teams, said the business aspect of baseball is very much a part of the game. Hawkins, 40, adds that guys "can't help but think about" their contract situations.
Sometimes, the end of that road comes later than expected.
All's well that ends well
Laying on the natural-grass playing surface at Goodyear (Ariz.) Ballpark, Grilli thought his career was over.
In February 2010, Grilli had been running around that spring training home of the Cleveland Indians, who had taken a chance on the then-33-year-old journeyman reliever. He had bounced around three major league teams the previous three seasons.
Instead, there he lay, overwhelmed by the pain of a quad muscle shredded by a piece of bone. Suddenly, the minor-league deal he had signed and the spring camp invitation he had earned were worthless.
"The game was literally ripped away from underneath me," Grilli said.
He had never thrown one pitch for the Indians, and sat out the entire 2010 season.
Yet despite the odds heavily stacked against him, he's throwing some of the most important pitches for the contending Pirates this season. Hardly anyone overcomes a career-threatening injury only to find his best pitching still lies ahead. Somehow, Grilli made it.
Grilli insists he wouldn't have been the same pitcher today had he not gotten hurt. Before the injury, he took plenty of things for granted, including his health and that he played ball for a living. That's no longer the case.
"(The doctors) put Humpty Dumpty together again," Grilli said. "And now I'm throwing every pitch like it's my last.
"I knew I wanted to walk away on my own terms."
That's a fate few of his fellow relievers meet. So they cherish their major league service time, probably a good bit more than others.
"At the end of the day, you've got to go out there and do your job," said 30-year-old Detroit Tigers reliever Phil Coke, in his sixth big league season. "If you don't do your job, you don't get the opportunity to take care of your family."
[h=2]Relief pitchers aren't usually 100% healthy when they enter games, but they'll never tell[/h]<aside itemprop="associatedMedia" itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/ImageObject" class="single-photo expandable-collapsed" style="clear: left; float: left; position: relative; width: 180px; z-index: 100; margin-bottom: 20px;">
(Photo: Charles LeClaire, USA TODAY Sports)
</aside><aside class="comp story-highlights " style="clear: left; float: left; position: relative; width: 180px; z-index: 1; margin: 0px 0px 20px; min-height: 60px;">[h=3]STORY HIGHLIGHTS[/h]
- Relief pitchers are akin to special teamers in football: they know how easily they can be replaced
- Because of that, relief pitchers often won't let on when they're hurting
- Pirates closer Jason Grilli one of the few to overcome career-threatening injury and pitch better
PITTSBURGH -- It has taken all of Jason Grilli's 11 seasons in the major leagues to finally find a home.
He has an endearing nickname ("Grill Cheese") and job security that he never had enjoyed, as the closer for the Pittsburgh Pirates, who surprisingly have the best record in baseball. Grilli, 36, even has his own foreboding entrance -- set to Pearl Jam's Whipping -- that signifies to Pirates fans an impending win.
Although he enjoys all the creature comforts that come with a closer's role -- and a potentially huge payday awaiting him in free agency when he's eligible after the season -- Grilli realizes he's the exception and not the rule when it comes to journeymen relievers.
"I've had a gravel road," says Grilli, who leads the National League with 27 saves in 28 chances, and is certain to make his first All-Star team when rosters are announced Saturday. I couldn't wait to be in this position, and here I am doing it. And I've embraced it entirely."
For good reason. Grilli's peers in relief are inarguably baseball's most disposable commodity. They are used, at times, to excess by managers but also motivated to flourish and hopefully survive long enough to earn a signficant payday.
That path is fraught with peril and difficult choices.
For every Craig Kimbrel, who emerged from the minor leagues in 2010 ticketed for immediate relief stardom with the Atlanta Braves, there are hundreds of long guys, set-up men and situational leftys aiming to complete an unlikely path: Perform consistently enough in a volatile role to stick around at least three years, where a life-changing payday through arbitration eligibility is in the offing.
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That third year in the major leagues, says Philadelphia Phillies reliever Chad Durbin, is when the pressure to perform is the strongest.
"If you know that there's incentive out there, you're going to push a little differently," says Durbin, in his 14th MLB season. "If it's the difference between making the minimum and three times the minimum, that's a significant raise, and those are what everyone shoots for in every sport."
The motivation produces a code of sorts among relievers and those who manage them: Throw until you blow.
When relievers need to get relief
Unlike other players nursing, say, a hamstring injury, a reliever's aches and pains aren't so glaring to the untrained eye.
Colorado Rockies pitching coach Jim Wright said it's his job to be the eyes of the staff. Because pitchers don't want to leave games or admit they need a day off, he needs to be in tune with all of his relievers.
Of course, adequate rest for the relievers is contingent on the starters lasting deep into games.
Washington Nationals pitching coach Steve McCatty acknowledged that the overarching mentality of most relief pitchers is, in fact, to throw until you physically can't. Rarely do guys come to him and ask not to pitch, but that doesn't stop McCatty from checking. If his pitchers insist they're ready to go, there's not much McCatty can do but hand them the ball.
"It is (throw until you blow)," McCatty said. "You hate to say it, but that's what they do."
It's rare for someone in the bullpen to feel 100% physically fit when he enters a game, says Durbin, and that's fine to him.
"We'll go until we can't go, period," Durbin, 35, said. "Usually, we get yelled at when we do get hurt because we didn't say something soon enough. But that's the nature of the beast. You go as hard as you can until you can't go any more."
Opinions vary over how easy, or honorable, it is for pitchers to tell their managers they can't throw in a particular game.
Jonathan Papelbon, the Phillies' All-Star closer, says if he isn't feeling ready to go, he'll tell someone. Durbin, however, says that if a pitcher is a little sore or only at about 85%, he still needs to tell the manager he is good to go.
"I would hope that almost every one of them says exactly that," Durbin said.
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But aches and pains are relative, particularly if a bullpen has to absorb an inordinate amount of innings in just a few days.
Nationals set-up man Tyler Clippard views a reliever's ability to beg off as case-by-case, based on what he might know of his teammates' availability.
Nationals manager Davey Johnson tends to err on the side of caution when a pitcher's status is in doubt. McCatty said he and Johnson will go back nine days to see how many times each reliever has entered games and how many times he has gotten up to throw in the bullpen.
Johnson is especially keen on getting relievers into the game who have been warming up, rather than sitting them back down. And if Johnson tells one of his pitchers he has the night off, he'll never go back on his word.
"You've got to be stubborn with your thought processes, come hell or high water," McCatty said. "Davey has the ability to do that."
Caught in the middle are the pitchers, who, like special-teamers in football, realize if they can't go, others are willing to fill the void.
<aside itemprop="associatedMedia" itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/ImageObject" class="wide single-photo" style="clear: left; float: none; position: relative; width: auto; z-index: 1; margin-bottom: 20px; margin-top: 25px; margin-left: 60px;">
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LaTroy Hawkins of the New York Mets, a 19-year veteran who has pitched for 10 teams, said the business aspect of baseball is very much a part of the game. Hawkins, 40, adds that guys "can't help but think about" their contract situations.
Sometimes, the end of that road comes later than expected.
All's well that ends well
Laying on the natural-grass playing surface at Goodyear (Ariz.) Ballpark, Grilli thought his career was over.
In February 2010, Grilli had been running around that spring training home of the Cleveland Indians, who had taken a chance on the then-33-year-old journeyman reliever. He had bounced around three major league teams the previous three seasons.
Instead, there he lay, overwhelmed by the pain of a quad muscle shredded by a piece of bone. Suddenly, the minor-league deal he had signed and the spring camp invitation he had earned were worthless.
"The game was literally ripped away from underneath me," Grilli said.
He had never thrown one pitch for the Indians, and sat out the entire 2010 season.
Yet despite the odds heavily stacked against him, he's throwing some of the most important pitches for the contending Pirates this season. Hardly anyone overcomes a career-threatening injury only to find his best pitching still lies ahead. Somehow, Grilli made it.
Grilli insists he wouldn't have been the same pitcher today had he not gotten hurt. Before the injury, he took plenty of things for granted, including his health and that he played ball for a living. That's no longer the case.
"(The doctors) put Humpty Dumpty together again," Grilli said. "And now I'm throwing every pitch like it's my last.
"I knew I wanted to walk away on my own terms."
That's a fate few of his fellow relievers meet. So they cherish their major league service time, probably a good bit more than others.
"At the end of the day, you've got to go out there and do your job," said 30-year-old Detroit Tigers reliever Phil Coke, in his sixth big league season. "If you don't do your job, you don't get the opportunity to take care of your family."
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DaRaiders
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Yanks put up 2 more 8-4....Jesus if any team had anothers number its the Yanks vs. Twins
P-Unit
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it's like death and taxes. Gardy cannot beat the Yanks regardless of the lineups. It's laughable.
DaRaiders
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I'm monitoring that system closely....:thinking:
CASH
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Even with just an avg lineup to boot
DaRaiders
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Yup...bet Yanks and over par tonight blind...never capped the game.
GatorsLeafsBills
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So would I but without Internet, It's SOOOOO relaxing. Sit on the beach and just hang out. Best spot in the world (Muskoka Lakes in Ontario)
DaRaiders
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Trying to find where he posts his plays??? Any idea???
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