You seem really angry about this whole thing which is strange for 2 reasons...first it doesn't affect you at all, second you keep saying how little you care about it. Weird flexes but okay.
Tiger would never do it, but how funny would it be if he did?
Wasn't he offered around 900 million? Hard to blame him for passing it up and not being able to physically perform most of the time, would absolutely trash his legacy. Tough to pass up that number but even personally I have to think it could only make him look terrible in the public eye. He's still clearly a sympathetic figure considering the issues he's had.Passed up over a half billion...
Totally correct. Last winter the PGA Tour had no trouble with tour pros playing in Saudi Arabia in February as long as they got a quid pro quo in future commitments to Pebble Beach. So the whole human rights morality aspect is a total farce IMO.I will say it's absolutely bs that PGA and the media get away with calling it Saudi money - when it affects their pocketbooks. But we can't say the same about Chyna with NBA because - again - has financial consequences. Only claim human rights foul when it benefits your wallet.
I think it comes down to how much money do you really need? He’s already a billionaire. He has his charities up and running… what does 900 million more do for him? His work ethic and being able to play on the pga tour allowed him to create this net worth. Why turn your back on the entity that made you the person you’ve become? What’s the benefit of limping around in 10-14 events a year, most of which he would probably finish in the middle of the pack.Wasn't he offered around 900 million? Hard to blame him for passing it up and not being able to physically perform most of the time, would absolutely trash his legacy. Tough to pass up that number but even personally I have to think it could only make him look terrible in the public eye. He's still clearly a sympathetic figure considering the issues he's had.
Think of what it would do to a brand that will continue well beyond his lifetime and I believe he's interested in designing courses in the near future. Obviously the TW Foundation would take a hit too. Spend your entire life to do what will make you happy in the second half there is no reason to mess that up.I think it comes down to how much money do you really need? He’s already a billionaire. He has his charities up and running… what does 900 million more do for him? His work ethic and being able to play on the pga tour allowed him to create this net worth. Why turn your back on the entity that made you the person you’ve become? What’s the benefit of limping around in 10-14 events a year, most of which he would probably finish in the middle of the pack.
LmfaoPGA Tour is going to fight the LIV Tour with basically a series of $20 million no cut exhibitions for the Top 50 players. I'm sure Jon Rahm will be thrilled.....
PGA Tour to add multiple $20 million tournaments in 2023 as attempt to combat LIV Golf, per reports
Will these big-time purses be enough to stem the tide of departures?www.cbssports.com
So no FedEx points? Sounds like a low rent version of the WGC events.PGA Tour is going to fight the LIV Tour with basically a series of $20 million no cut exhibitions for the Top 50 players. I'm sure Jon Rahm will be thrilled.....
PGA Tour to add multiple $20 million tournaments in 2023 as attempt to combat LIV Golf, per reports
Will these big-time purses be enough to stem the tide of departures?www.cbssports.com
Think the only major the PGA can prohibit them from playing is the PGA 'ship right? Obviously the Open won't, USGA gets to make the call on the US Open, pretty sure Augusta makes the call on the Masters.The top PGA Tour players will now have:
Tournament of Champions in Hawaii
Eight $20 million money grab events, scattered throughout the season
A handful of WGC Championships
FedEx Cup postseason
PIP money
Seems like they're trying to out-LIV LIV. Which is curious considering the players that have been outspoken have talked more about the thrill of intense competition than the big guaranteed money.
The PGA Tour owns no majors. PGA of America owns the PGA Championship, which is why club pros get in the field every year. PGA Tour broke off from PGA of America back in the '70s, ironically. PGA Tour's most prestigious tourney is the Players. They also own the President's Cup, while the PGA of America co-owns the Ryder Cup with the R&A.Think the only major the PGA can prohibit them from playing is the PGA 'ship right? Obviously the Open won't, USGA gets to make the call on the US Open, pretty sure Augusta makes the call on the Masters.
Interested to see what the Masters doesThe PGA Tour owns no majors. PGA of America owns the PGA Championship, which is why club pros get in the field every year. PGA Tour broke off from PGA of America back in the '70s, ironically. PGA Tour's most prestigious tourney is the Players. They also own the President's Cup, while the PGA of America co-owns the Ryder Cup with the R&A.
PGA Tour has working relationships with the PGA of America, USGA, Augusta National and the R&A, and I think they were hoping those groups would step in line behind them. But those groups don't step in behind, they lead the way. And I don't see any of them closing the door on LIV as a knee-jerk reaction to the PGA Tour running around saying the sky is falling. Which is probably why the Tour is stepping up their perks for their star players.
PGA Championship requires the participants to be members of a "recognized" tour, so they can effectively bar the LIV guys by refusing to recognize the tour. But if LIV events get OWGR points, it's hard to imagine the majors willingly banning top players. I think the PGA has already lost, and the sooner they realize it the more they can soften the blow. This new fall series thing will help some, but I think if they don't create a path for players to play both tours, it will get away from themThe PGA Tour owns no majors. PGA of America owns the PGA Championship, which is why club pros get in the field every year. PGA Tour broke off from PGA of America back in the '70s, ironically. PGA Tour's most prestigious tourney is the Players. They also own the President's Cup, while the PGA of America co-owns the Ryder Cup with the R&A.
PGA Tour has working relationships with the PGA of America, USGA, Augusta National and the R&A, and I think they were hoping those groups would step in line behind them. But those groups don't step in behind, they lead the way. And I don't see any of them closing the door on LIV as a knee-jerk reaction to the PGA Tour running around saying the sky is falling. Which is probably why the Tour is stepping up their perks for their star players.
The top PGA Tour players will now have:
Tournament of Champions in Hawaii
Eight $20 million money grab events, scattered throughout the season
A handful of WGC Championships
FedEx Cup postseason
PIP money
Seems like they're trying to out-LIV LIV. Which is curious considering the players that have been outspoken have talked more about the thrill of intense competition than the big guaranteed money.
I'd report this post but it would just go full circle
So instead of shoring up 20 events he's shoring up 8. He's throwing places like Harbour Town, Avenel, Colonial and the Canadian Open under the bus. He's turning the PGA Tour into horse racing, with a dozen big stakes weekends where the best horses run surrounded by many weeks of maiden claimers and weak allowance fields. I hope the networks enjoy the variety.Time for Monahan to get to the negotiation table and try to work out an amicable solution. Protect your 20 best tournaments, allow for cross entries, and sue for peace.
Besides the majors, LIV schedule should work around these events in all years:
1-2 Hawaii back to back
3 Torrey Pines
4 Pebble
5 Riviera
6 Bay Hill
7 Sawgrass
8 WGC Match Play
9 Harbour Town
10 Avenel MD
11 Quail Hollow
12 Byron Nelson
13 Colonial
14 Memorial
15 Canadian Open
16-18 3 weeks of FedEx playoffs
19 CJ Cup
20 Zozo Championship
If I never see Harbour Town again it will all be worth itSo instead of shoring up 20 events he's shoring up 8. He's throwing places like Harbour Town, Avenel, Colonial and the Canadian Open under the bus. He's turning the PGA Tour into horse racing, with a dozen big stakes weekends where the best horses run surrounded by many weeks of maiden claimers and weak allowance fields. I hope the networks enjoy the variety.
Yes I think this is potentially another problem they are creating. You’re diminishing other tournaments and weakening those fields. The sponsors are footing the bill? Really? Are the sponsors of the tournaments not lucky enough to be in the elite 8 helping too? I doubt it. Basically, like it or not, Phil was right. PGA tour has been screwing the players all along. I hope guys like Rory and JT, Rahm, who pledge it’s not about the money, thank Phil for blackballing himself so they can all play for more money.So instead of shoring up 20 events he's shoring up 8. He's throwing places like Harbour Town, Avenel, Colonial and the Canadian Open under the bus. He's turning the PGA Tour into horse racing, with a dozen big stakes weekends where the best horses run surrounded by many weeks of maiden claimers and weak allowance fields. I hope the networks enjoy the variety.
Those are exhibition though. Guys still have to play in a minimum number of events to go w/o penalty and even qualify for the FedEx tournament I believe. Think it's a lot deeper than what you're seeing.Yes I think this is potentially another problem they are creating. You’re diminishing other tournaments and weakening those fields. The sponsors are footing the bill? Really? Are the sponsors of the tournaments not lucky enough to be in the elite 8 helping too? I doubt it. Basically, like it or not, Phil was right. PGA tour has been screwing the players all along. I hope guys like Rory and JT, Rahm, who pledge it’s not about the money, thank Phil for blackballing himself so they can all play for more money.
Honestly, this whole thing could’ve been avoidable if Monaghan had just played ball and let players do what they’ve always been able to do - play where they want. He created a lot of this mess with this whole holier than thou narrative. He was so worried about these smaller, John Deere type, tournaments being diminished by LIV, and now it’s the PGA themselves who are diminishing it by banning LIV players and also now by practically begging the top guys to skip those events (since there’s so much money in the bigger events, what’s the point of playing for $8 when you’re playing for $25?).
Most of the top guys have no problem qualifying for the Fed Ex. They could easily drop 4 events and still make it. There’s no denying that this new format will weaken some of the events that are already weak.Those are exhibition though. Guys still have to play in a minimum number of events to go w/o penalty and even qualify for the FedEx tournament I believe. Think it's a lot deeper than what you're seeing.
But they have to play in a certain number of actual events w/o penalty. Happened to Spieth and it should be no issue to maintain that requirement.Most of the top guys have no problem qualifying for the Fed Ex. They could easily drop 4 events and still make it. There’s no denying that this new format will weaken some of the events that are already weak.
Tour exemptions and the structure could be a semester long class.Sounds like they're cutting the FedEx playoffs down to top 70 first tourney, then top 50, then top 30. Also they're lower the season long exemption down from top 125 to top 70.
Unless he's got a date with his bookiePhil has got to be smiling right now.
Phil has got to be smiling right now.
Phil called out the PGA tour and said this was the only shot to leverage them. If you put his stupid comments about the saudis aside, he was right. He leveraged them and the pga made changes.Unless he's got a date with his bookie
Phil was the biggest sham of this whole thing. He's 51, they started with a senior. Disregard his words (which were despicable, and I'm a Man City fan) he has the headline marketing of Carrot Top at this point.
Maybe correct, but LIV has gotten guys that aren't overly marketable on the PGA Tour at this pointPhil called out the PGA tour and said this was the only shot to leverage them. If you put his stupid comments about the saudis aside, he was right. He leveraged them and the pga made changes.
Whether LIV is watchable or not is a separate conversation. The roster at this point is… ok. They’re gonna have to do a lot more than they did last time to keep my interest. I’m talking backstage access, mics on players, different camera angles and presentation, shit introduce me to these guys.. tell me something I don’t know. I mean.. what they rolled out last time was just regular old golf with worse players. If they’re gonna be the game changer they claim to be they better start changing the way it looks.IF, and it's a big if, LIV is actually entertaining I guess it could be worth a watch
But it's not only a hard pass with this roster right now, it's a worse lineup than a regular season MLB game
Oh wow, first review I've heardWhether LIV is watchable or not is a separate conversation. The roster at this point is… ok. They’re gonna have to do a lot more than they did last time to keep my interest. I’m talking backstage access, mics on players, different camera angles and presentation, shit introduce me to these guys.. tell me something I don’t know. I mean.. what they rolled out last time was just regular old golf with worse players. If they’re gonna be the game changer they claim to be they better start changing the way it looks.
If they get more top talent and have a platform to show them (a network) people will watch.Oh wow, first review I've heard
Will not watch it unless it becomes more than an exhibition for millions in my mind, no clue what that will take
Lol he needs a couple shrinks in his entourage more than he needs a different tourSounds like Matt Wolff is next to switch over. He’s had a weird career so far
Hard to believe not too long ago he was mentioned in the same breadth of Morikawa and Hovland. He’s made three cuts this calendar year. He’s also had two rounds out of 27 that have broken 70. This move actually makes a lot of sense if he’s getting a decent signing bonus.Sounds like Matt Wolff is next to switch over. He’s had a weird career so far
Coming out of college he was thought to be the best of the three. I think he was the #1 on that OSU team of which Hovland was a member. I watched them trounce Alabama in the finals that year. Gankas sure did elevate his status on Wolff’s back. Regardless of my thoughts on LIV, I’m pulling for WolffHard to believe not too long ago he was mentioned in the same breadth of Morikawa and Hovland. He’s made three cuts this calendar year. He’s also had two rounds out of 27 that have broken 70. This move actually makes a lot of sense if he’s getting a decent signing bonus.