If Alabama loses to Georgia, Should They Make The Playoffs?
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haha, well played.
pressitup
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You should watch the games.(this is a jest for lack of proper font)
WVU and the Ags are nowhere near similar.
WVU has a qb that can make quick decisions. They have a great offense.
Ags have a decent defense.
Ags qb is serviceable , should he set his feet and decide what to do.
Some solid points on both sides of this argument for sure. The only thing I’ll point out is that this “SEC is over rated or the SEC is the best” debate has been going on since before Alabama started their run, so to say they’re packing the conference or the success of the conference is directly tied to theirs isn’t entirely true. Instead of a few teams in the conference winning a couple titles each over a 15 year period, one team is winning them all. The story would be the same if we picked them out and transported them to any other conference over the same time frame.
I would be interested in seeing the comparison if you rank all conferences 1-14 over the last 15 years, or whatever timeframe was mentioned earlier in the thread, and then line them up side by side....and you can even arbitrarily assign Alabama “normal” success for the current decade.
I would be interested in seeing the comparison if you rank all conferences 1-14 over the last 15 years, or whatever timeframe was mentioned earlier in the thread, and then line them up side by side....and you can even arbitrarily assign Alabama “normal” success for the current decade.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
If you use the Sagarin ratings, the average rating for the SEC teams other than Alabama is higher than the average rating for the Big 10, PAC, and ACC. Again, that's without Alabama.
There have been years when the SEC is bad, like 1979 and 1990, but it's rare, and as a fan of an ACC team whose two most hated rivals are in the SEC I have no difficulty in saying that the SEC has been far and away the best conference over the last ten years, and it's not just Alabama. One of the problems with the Big 10 is that they play too many conference games and don't get many chances to prove how good they are against other conferences.
mcculra
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Always has...whats your point? The importance of the regular season game by game has always been, and always will be, the appeal of college football. Bowl games, with the exception of very few (rose bowl off the top of my head) are simply postseason exhibitions that some (if not most) players dont care shit about playing in. You think the players want to be away from their families during the christmas holidays to practice for a bullshit popeye’s chicken bowl game that doesnt make a damn who wins or loses. I have met and hung out with alot of college ball players in my day, and if they arent playing for a conf champ or nat champ at the end of the year, most would rather not play in the bowl games. Its just a huge money grab at the end of the day, further exploiting the college athlete, for every penny the school, conference, and ncaa can get out of them. At least most of the players get new shoes, clothes, xbox’s or something as a reward for qualifying.
pressitup
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mcculra
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I’m confused...you were the one crying about the integrity if the bowl game being gone. When I post in the contrary, you smart off?
pressitup
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I didn't see a tear in anything I posted.
You supported my point as I see it.
Maybe you aren't old enough to remember when the bowls actually did mean something.
Strangely enough, that process was even more subjective than this . The AP and UPI polls (later the coaches also) to determine a champ.
Players actually wanted to play in bowls, but I guess that was the dark ages.
I wouldn't blame any of today's children to see the bowls as useless. That started with the BCS and the obv expansion of everyone wanting a bowl in their city(driven by television)
pressitup
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And do away with bowls.
I think you lived here when our district champs made the state playoffs. Made it worth something.
Now with 4 teams in, we get one and two win schools in the mix. Now the powers get an easy first round bye.
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pressitup
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SEC ready means, when your team lines up against them and your linebackers and defensive backfield looks like skinny 12 yr olds.
Their receivers look like your defensive line. Pretty sobering when you thought your team was pretty good and you gulp from the opening kickoff.
OU and Texas used to dominate because they had the better defenses in the conference.
Who's the better D in the B12 now? ISU?
I can't tell any more.
Watch ole miss/T tech game.
TCU = top D in big 12?
RetroVK
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2017 Semifinals margins of victory - 31 and 17
2016 Semifinals margins of victory - 38 and 20
2015 Semifinals margins of victory - 39 and 7
I wouldn't be worried about blowouts changing things up
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
It's a joke that Auburn was ranked so low. They beat the national champ and the runner-up. Auburn should have been in the playoff instead of Alabama last year. The committee didn't do them any favors.
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detroit187
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You cant be serious.
detroit187
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I will not defend the Big12, they stink defensively and play hoops on grass. To tradionalists like me, its disgusting even in the new age of football we have entered, its actually egrigous. But if you are comparing the top teams in the SEC yearly, basically Bama, I'd agree. Otherwise, Mizzou and A&M are on par with most besides maybe your LSU, Auburn and recently UGA from time to time.
I do remember being close to the field last year in Baton Rouge when Auburn players came out of the tunnel. I couldnt believe the size of some of those guys. Size doesnt always matter though.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Of course, I'm serious. Auburn went 2-2 against last year's playoff teams and then lost a bowl game against an undefeated team. Why would you expect them to be outside the top 5?
KJ
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Top 5 teams don't use bowl games as an excuse to get punched in the teeth. By a team that couldn't make the playoff.
Hell they don't make excuses at all
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Yeah, they do. Alabama did it in 2013 after the loss to OU, and OU should have done the same thing the next year after the loss to Clemson, but they couldn't because they had mocked Alabama the year before for saying they lost because they were disappointed with where they wound up. But even if you don't cut Auburn any slack for being unmotivated in the bowl, I still don't see how you can put anyone other than Bama, Clemson, Georgia, and UCF ahead of them at the end of the season.
KJ
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For example, say someone creates a wildly successful brand of luxury resorts and a successful reality tv show, and gains support from many people. But in the process, said person filed bankruptcy 6 times. I would not want that person running my business as I tend to weigh failure much more than I do success.
Same principle applies with a football team that fails four times in four months. I'm not rewarding them for their success, I'm questioning why they failed so frequently
Same principle applies with a football team that fails four times in four months. I'm not rewarding them for their success, I'm questioning why they failed so frequently
detroit187
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Four, unless they played OU and Ohio St and I missed those. Perhaps the reason those teams were top 6 is because 3 of them beat Auburn.
They were blown away by UGA in SEC Champ game and then given another shot were handled by UCF. I mean, beating Bama is great and all but at some point you gotta say it can't count for everything, like losing 4 other games. I was at the game, their loss to LSU was a terrible choke job. At its best, team was very good, at its worst they were very inconsistent, LSU game was a prime example and LSU was hot garbage last year. They didn't deserve to get in the Final 4, they had chances most teams dream of playing top competition for bonus points and failed 4 tests. Big wins must count for something and SOS should be considered to a degree, but so should losing 4 times and that to me negates any good will bought up for beating a team in a rivalry game.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
Five, Alabama, Clemson, UGA, UGA, and UCF.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Lol. Said person didn't file bankruptcy, the companies did. It's a pretty common business practice that has seen many wildly successful companies/owners who have done the same thing (Henry Ford, Milton Hershey, PT Barnum, Walt Disney, Abraham Lincoln, etc, etc).
It's also like saying a poker player lost a few big hands in the process of winning a poker tournament and acting as if he didn't know what he was doing.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
This feels like old times
This college football talk is great. Probably not too many other sites where you get the educated and experienced opinions you do here on the subject. Which makes the whole "process" they currently have with the committee even more laughable. It seems the people on this site could easily come up with a better solution than what we have now...and the people getting paid to actually do it are horrible at it, and can't even see the obvious solution(s).
KJ
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At least you laughed
I do understand business and personal bankruptcy more than I ever cared to. More blatantly, if I'm asking someone to run my company (in this case deciding amongst resumes of football teams) I'm going to weigh the failure much more than the successful ventures. My guess is those who like penny stocks take a different approach. But bad losses are much more vital than great wins imo.
The poker player analogy only resonates if he's got the backing to last through the losses, in business some investors are shit outta luck. And don't get me wrong, w/o bankruptcy you'd have no capitalism. But guessing you'd pick your spots on who to invest into.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Good post. The one thing I would counter with is weighing the failure more than the success. If the guy has hundreds of companies, and 4 end up in bankruptcy (again, more than likely a business move that would help in the end), what's the reason to weigh such a tiny percentage more than the successes? And, in this case, the guy did have the backing to get through the losses, just like the poker champion who had enough chips that the few hands he lost didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
KJ
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Well with poker, guess I'd consider all-in the equivalent of bankruptcy, so no mo chips, we're gonna get into some chapter 11 stuff now lol
My point is in a 12 game season or whatever it is, I consider the failure more than the success. Of course we will have differences of opinion as to how much weight that holds, but it's incredibly significant to me. Everyone brags about the good times, but pop em with a question on why the didn't succeed that one time, it's turtle head meet shell.
I also don't give a rip if the top 4 perceived teams are in, I have my criteria, you have yours. I just prefer the guy that screwed up own it and use it (ironically that happened this year since OU got to avenge the loss) than the one that just says...bad day.
Would I have lost sleep if tOSU got in? Nope. Would I have lost sleep if UGA got in? Maybe a minute of it. If I played football for UCF, would I lose sleep? No, I'd transfer.
My point is in a 12 game season or whatever it is, I consider the failure more than the success. Of course we will have differences of opinion as to how much weight that holds, but it's incredibly significant to me. Everyone brags about the good times, but pop em with a question on why the didn't succeed that one time, it's turtle head meet shell.
I also don't give a rip if the top 4 perceived teams are in, I have my criteria, you have yours. I just prefer the guy that screwed up own it and use it (ironically that happened this year since OU got to avenge the loss) than the one that just says...bad day.
Would I have lost sleep if tOSU got in? Nope. Would I have lost sleep if UGA got in? Maybe a minute of it. If I played football for UCF, would I lose sleep? No, I'd transfer.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
My criteria (and ideally yours it seems, based on comments) is that we don't use the 4 best perceived teams for a mythical playoff. We use 6 teams, 5 of them being conference champions, and the other an undefeated G5 team. If there isn't an undefeated G5 team, then the 6th team will have to be a subjective pick. I'm much better with there being potentially one subjective decision (and sometimes there won't even be that), then with what we have now. I don't want there to be "criteria" at all, I want the conference champions to play in an actual playoff.
KJ
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100% it's too logical, only thing is pitching the potential of a 15 game season to unpaid marketing tools
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
I don't think you need 15 games though. It's really potentially one more game than the "title game" participants play now, but if you eliminate a game from everyone's schedule, problem solved.
But again, we all know that it's all about money, not crowning an actual champion, so I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
just from the eyeball test i think it's been Texas pretty much all year. i have not checked the stats. their D gave the Sooners problems on Sat and i was worried just about the whole game.
RetroVK
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I would rather no change than a change to any system that continues to use a subjective criteria for making it. And I would rather no change than a change to a system that continues to operate with a lack of equal opportunity.
Any system that has both equal opportunity and also an at large bid, would need an objective list of tiebreakers to determine who makes it in over the other teams. For instance, SOS is not an objective measure and could not be used while Point differential is objective and could be used.
Any system that has both equal opportunity and also an at large bid, would need an objective list of tiebreakers to determine who makes it in over the other teams. For instance, SOS is not an objective measure and could not be used while Point differential is objective and could be used.
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
Agreed. There has to be something that takes any subjectivity out of it. It’s the only logical way to do it.
