Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
They’ve done a lot of it for sure. But the SEC also has 3 other schools with titles in that run. OU has done the heavy lifting for the Big 12 but come up short. Bottom line is it’s the South overall that’s winning the titles.
If Alabama loses to Georgia, Should They Make The Playoffs?
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Bingo. Most of the heavy lifting has been done by them.
If Bama was in the B12 we would be we wou;d be talking about the merit of an SEC team being worth of even 1 bid perhaps in several years.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Lol, the SEC has more titles outside of Bama in that run than the Big 10 and Big 12 combined. And no I was pointing out how garbage the Midwest is at football now with Nebraska, ND and Michigan examples.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
You say it’s a bad product but take a look at the bowl, bcs, and playoff records. It’s not even close man. I go by facts only. Have a good day. Go Buckeyes baby!!! Easiest money I’ve ever made.
SEC has two good teams.
B10 has two good teams
ND is in the playoff.
Midwest 3... SEC 2.
Why you mentioning Nebraska?
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Lol, I think Clemson is in the South. The Midwest has 1 title in 14 years. South 13, Midwest 1.
If you cannot understand that your conference is one super bad ass school , a couple good ones, a rotation of a few top 25 teams then complete garbage...
Then I got nothing for ya.
It is, what exactly a lot of other conferences are.
And trust me bud, I made a shitload on that game too on Saturday.
Then I got nothing for ya.
It is, what exactly a lot of other conferences are.
And trust me bud, I made a shitload on that game too on Saturday.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
At this point, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, and has been for years. But from 2003-2010, you had the SEC win 6 titles by 4 different teams. It didn't come from nowhere. SEC programs have diminished their product by continually firing coaches after they can't be at Saban's level after year 3. If that's the metric we're going by, I've got bad news for those schools.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
The two good teams in the SEC would destroy those two, though. Notre Dame is a joke.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
I never said it was completely dominant. My point is it’s definitely the best overall. Just by pure talent. And the heavyweight is by far the best.
Why you grouping Clemson in with the SEC?
I am just talking about your beloved SEC... not the ACC or anything else.
I am not defending other conferences at all.
My point is, each year one conference gets more hype than it should because of its premier team.
They don't play the same sort of schedule as most of the other conferences. They don't travel that much. I said they are SMART because it works. Their SOS will look good because the rankings give them that 'SEC boost'.
You want to debate and actually bring some good stuff to the table, please do.
The National Championship is Mythical in every sense. We all know this.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Clemson is in the South. I’m not talking about the SEC.
That is your opinion.
Obviously via PR's, they would be favored.
I would have a different take on to be honest. Georgia has played ONE legit defense this year and got DESTROYED.
I don't care what happened last weekend or the Pitt/ND game whatever. Those are still two LEGIT good defenses that would give them fits match-up wise.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Oh and if it’s mythical why are the results similar in basketball. 20 of 21 eastern time zone.
Lets talk about Kentucky then, they are in the south.
Lets talk about Wake Forest, they arein the south.
What about Miami of Fl?
Florida State
Mississippi State
Mississippi
Arkansas
Tennessee
Duke
North Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Texas AM
Vanderbilt
Auburn
Missouri
NC State
Louisville
Virginia
Virginia Tech
All these teams are in the southern footprint of their conferences. Lets talk about them a little bit.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
It’s all demographics. Basically just shows how bad the West has become.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Let’s talk about every team in the Midwest that’s not OSU then. Jesus man. You’re smarter that this. Oh, let’s talk about UK. I believe we have 8 national titles in basketball.
In the top 7 of the cfp...
You have 4 MW teams and deservedly so...and 3 Southern teams...also deservedly so...
They are right on the money with their top 8 in total (obviously UCF is not a P5 so they get eliminated).
Yes, the Southern teams at this time take the higher spots.
Again, Bama and Clemson were put on a pedestal 9-10 months ago as the number 1 and 2 teams. They, especially Clemson, have not had to face a team that could in actuality beat them. Now, are they the best two? They prolly are. But, have they earned that right? Well, Alabama will after Saturday but Clemson, not so much.
But, it is what it is.
What is freaking Wisconsin had stayed undefeated or 1 loss right now after starting the year off at #5....talk about a conundrum for the CFP committee...
Why are we talking about UK basketball?
They really cannot compete with Duke or NC on a national title level in the last 30+ years.
Shit, they haven't had Uconn's success.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Oklahoma is definitely more southern. Almost all from Texas. But it’s a swing state. Either way 7 of the top 10 are from the South. And the top 3 are from the South imo. ND will get embarrassed. Ohio State would have a chance at least.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Uh, aren’t you a Michigan fan? How many titles do they have? The big 10 hasn’t even won a title in 18 years. Once again why are you talking?!
RetroVK
This claim is disputed
Basically you are both correct.
SEC and southern football is better than other conferences and regions over the last decade and a half.
But disqualifying results for other conferences are not disqualifying for the SEC and that is an unfair advantage.
For instance .. the SEC brags about having to play good teams week in and week out. This acts as an excuse for the week they emotionally aren't ready and lose or just play a bad game and lose. The top teams in other conferences just don't have that luxury. They have to be perfect and the SEC doesn't. It's a huge advantage. When you are in the other conferences and play your championship game, you are not getting in with a loss (Clemson could actually be an exception this year but only because they are Clemson and not one of the other schools). In the SEC you don't have to win your conference and as we learned, you don't even have to win your division, to make the playoffs.
And that is where equality of opportunity comes into play. When Utah is the best team, or arguably the best team, they didn't get to play for titles. When TCU was arguably the best team, they didn't get to play for titles. When the SEC gets a non-divisional winner into the playoffs it takes a spot from a more deserving team/school/conference. When you are guaranteed the opportunity, you are gonna win a bunch of titles and when other teams do not have that same opportunity, they won't.
In other words, using the results from a system rigged for the SEC to make the point that the SEC is great, is fallacy.
With that said, the South is dominant in football right now. Absolutely in my opinion. I think it keeps getting worse because of culture and popularity in the respective regions. California and the West is moving away from American culture, of which football clearly is. The North East has always been a professional sports area, less focused on the college game (and let's face it, it is hard to recruit to there). Football is ingrained in the South in a way that it isn't elsewhere. Midwest is closest but still has a ways to go. No doubt about it .. the South is where the best players are generated, and where the best teams are at the moment when looking in aggregate.
So you are both right. I would just say the discrepancy would be a lot smaller in the form of championships if the SEC didn't have the built in advantages it has over all the other conferences.
SEC and southern football is better than other conferences and regions over the last decade and a half.
But disqualifying results for other conferences are not disqualifying for the SEC and that is an unfair advantage.
For instance .. the SEC brags about having to play good teams week in and week out. This acts as an excuse for the week they emotionally aren't ready and lose or just play a bad game and lose. The top teams in other conferences just don't have that luxury. They have to be perfect and the SEC doesn't. It's a huge advantage. When you are in the other conferences and play your championship game, you are not getting in with a loss (Clemson could actually be an exception this year but only because they are Clemson and not one of the other schools). In the SEC you don't have to win your conference and as we learned, you don't even have to win your division, to make the playoffs.
And that is where equality of opportunity comes into play. When Utah is the best team, or arguably the best team, they didn't get to play for titles. When TCU was arguably the best team, they didn't get to play for titles. When the SEC gets a non-divisional winner into the playoffs it takes a spot from a more deserving team/school/conference. When you are guaranteed the opportunity, you are gonna win a bunch of titles and when other teams do not have that same opportunity, they won't.
In other words, using the results from a system rigged for the SEC to make the point that the SEC is great, is fallacy.
With that said, the South is dominant in football right now. Absolutely in my opinion. I think it keeps getting worse because of culture and popularity in the respective regions. California and the West is moving away from American culture, of which football clearly is. The North East has always been a professional sports area, less focused on the college game (and let's face it, it is hard to recruit to there). Football is ingrained in the South in a way that it isn't elsewhere. Midwest is closest but still has a ways to go. No doubt about it .. the South is where the best players are generated, and where the best teams are at the moment when looking in aggregate.
So you are both right. I would just say the discrepancy would be a lot smaller in the form of championships if the SEC didn't have the built in advantages it has over all the other conferences.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
You’re a bitch man. Fuck your shitty ass board.
You think OSU has a chance in the playoffs?
lmfao.
Please don't bet on looking at one game. For any bowl.
You don't get to include Texas as 'south'... you can have TAMU as a school but comeon now.
Texas is basically its own area.
Sorry man, we didn't buy a championship in 2012 okay. We have the cleanest coach in America in the slimiest sport. Yet, he puts out productive NBA players and was a terrible officiating decision away from a ship in 2013 and made the championship game last year.
When CBB was actually a competitive sport, the 1989, 1992,1993 Michigan teams would wipe the floor with any Kentucky team of the past 18 years. It wouldn't be close.
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
I didn't come into this thread trying to defend any other conference at all.
This was a discussion about the merit of two teams getting in the playoff from the same conference which is ridiculous.
You turned it into...
'South is great'
'Players are awesome'
'UK won 8 national basketball championships' ...we talking about the Joe B Hall teams of the 70's?
You are taking it a bit too personal. It is why I stray away from these types of threads other than reasonable Bama fans and a few LSU ones here.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
I cant reiterate this enough, I did not say that ND should not make the playoff, thus rendering this debate useless. But I dont care if its Notre Dame, Michigan etc if you dont have to play the last weekend when everyone else does fighting for the same thing, that is a bit unfair especially when ND has chosen this route with many opportunities as a program to join a conference. Did I have a problem with Bama reaching the playoff last year, no. Nor do I have one with Notre Dame this year. Doesnt take away from the fact that I think its wrong that this system holds different teams besides ND to a different set of standard. And lets not compare ND this year to Bama last year. Bama was the best team last year, we all knew that and they proved it.
Well, once old Nicky finally cut the cord with Hurts and put Tua in the game.
In all honesty, Georgia was as good if not better than Bama last year.
It was a great game, with a great story line ending.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
Always found interesting the success Mizzou and A&M had immediately when they moved over from the B12. They were immediately a player in the conference and competed with everyone. Told me all I needed to know.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
True, but Bama should have been in it and at worst were a top 2 team to everyone.
Again, that goes to the debate of a non-division team that got an extra week off making the playoff.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
I want the best 4 teams regardless. To me that as of today is what the committee has with one more weekend to decide.
Debates can rage on, the system makes no sense for anyone, advantages and disadvantages to all. Here's an idea, go undefeated or lose a game or two but just be from the SEC, you're in. Because every loss in the SEC is considered a good one, even if its Mizzou by 21 on your home field. Whatever the committee sees fit. 4 SEC teams in NY6 because they are all so good they all beat each other, besides Bama of course. Blah Blah Blah. None of it makes sense.
Debates can rage on, the system makes no sense for anyone, advantages and disadvantages to all. Here's an idea, go undefeated or lose a game or two but just be from the SEC, you're in. Because every loss in the SEC is considered a good one, even if its Mizzou by 21 on your home field. Whatever the committee sees fit. 4 SEC teams in NY6 because they are all so good they all beat each other, besides Bama of course. Blah Blah Blah. None of it makes sense.
And, how do we decide the 4 best teams. That is why they need to change the system.
I'll use Clemson again. They prolly are one of the best. Have they earned it? Nope...they have not. The system was set up to make them a CFP participant from the start. We all laughed at that schedule last winter looking at it. It is what it is. Teams schedule far out and conferences go through lulls. The ACC is the 5th best of the P5 right now, but have an auto-bid. Meanwhile, 3 other conferences "beat up on each" other and might only get 1 bid combined or get shut out due to ND.
ND should be playing Clemson this week in a championship game. They want all the ACC games, join the conference in football.
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
Not quite.
I was having this discussion with a fellow Ag last night.
If not for JFF having a horseshoe up his ass, the Ags would be the Vandy of old.
They are still not SEC ready at this point.
Two games they should have won, Messy and Aubbie. They win those and they look like a team that should be counted as 2nd in the division.
They had the horseshoe vs. LSU.
The Ags have taken 6 yrs to finally get to a decent front 7 on defense. Defensive backfield still lacks considerably.
Especially notable that they haven't been ready, by the well documented November swoon.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
Werent the initial two years or so after they moved in the conference highly successful for Mizzou and Aggies though, no matter who they had on their team? I mean, considering the only good teams in college football are from the SEC and Clemson, kind of shocking.
I remember Mizzou making the SEC championship game two straight years right off the bat year 2 and 3 and getting beat down to Bama one year
pressitup
Leader of the Adult Humor Industry
You mean the Heisman winner? A pretty big player to have on a team.
The second year didn't go as well.
Yeah Mizzou won the east.
Then had their ass handed to them by the West champ
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
There is no objective way to decide the 4/6/8 "best" teams. There's a whole industry committed to metrics and trying to quantify who is best, and they have a success rate at predicting the best on par with the weather man. So we can have a committee of humans or computer program or whatever to decide this based on some loose parameters, or we set up some merit-based system like win your conference, you're in, and we have a tournament that decides a "true champion," but doesn't necessarily tell us who is "best." I think either is fine, but we constantly find ourselves trying to apply the logic of one to the other, and it creates constant controversy. Which in a way, is exactly what we want. It breeds endless debate. If everything is black/white, there's not much to debate outside of what happens on the field. In a way, that's very appealing. In another way, kinda boring
Jimmydafreak
Pretty much a regular
So you'll be fading all SEC in bowl games then, right?
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
Pretty impressive by some middle of the road b12 team to come in and win the east back to back years in the toughest conference in football.
You mean in many games that will be home games?
No. I didn't say that. Match ups will be big.
I mean, if as M.O.T. said in his thread we see a potential LSU-UM game I will likely be forced onto LSU depending on how many of our draft picks sit out. The defense will be gutted after this season of NFL draftees etc. Bowl games are a bust now with injuries, etc.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
Sorry, but back to this. I guess I'm not sure what "SEC ready" means. It seems most teams in the conference outside of Bama, real recently Georgia lost 3 or more games consistently. I'd say A&M and Mizzou are easily on par if not better than Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas, Auburn, South Carolina, Tennessee and even Florida (who is finally having a good year but Mizzou beat them by 21 in the Swamp) and LSU (A&M just beat) since they entered.
To me the biggest joke in the history of the committee was leaving FOUR loss Auburn (losers of their last two, including to UCF from the might AAC) in the top 10 last year in final rankings. It was downright laughable and proved how the committee has a SEC bias.
Btw Jimmy, I bolded that you said LSU and TAMU were better than anyone else on the Ohio State or Oklahoma schedule. That is what I said no too.
Full health, full motivation...Michigan would be favored and beat both teams.
WVU and TAMU are similar enough as teams.
Penn State is on same level as TAMU
Texas might be better than both as well or definitely TAMU and maybe right on par with LSU
So, yes, I do believe that OU/OSU have played teams better or on par with LSU and certainly TAMU.
TAMU has one VERY GOOD win this year and that was a 6 OT affair last weekend. It is a freaking 4 loss team that plays 8 conference games.
Full health, full motivation...Michigan would be favored and beat both teams.
WVU and TAMU are similar enough as teams.
Penn State is on same level as TAMU
Texas might be better than both as well or definitely TAMU and maybe right on par with LSU
So, yes, I do believe that OU/OSU have played teams better or on par with LSU and certainly TAMU.
TAMU has one VERY GOOD win this year and that was a 6 OT affair last weekend. It is a freaking 4 loss team that plays 8 conference games.
Yeah, LSU is this years Auburn for the committee....
No doubt about it.
LSU can lose their bowl game and will still finish around 10-12 at least in country with 4 losses.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
LOL, all because they beat UGA and won at Auburn early in the year when Auburn was supposed to be top 10 LOLOLOL
Don't forget that win against #9 Miami (yeah, number 9 to start year).
