reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
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If people are against it I’ll stop but I’ve always streamed kicker and defense unless there is an obvious choice for D
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If people are against it I’ll stop but I’ve always streamed kicker and defense unless there is an obvious choice for D
T-Squared
CTG US Golf Open Contest Winner
Oh, I don't have anything against streaming kickers and defenses. I do the same. But I could drop my defense and kicker, and even a QB if I've got a middle of the road one, and not fill those spots until Sunday morning. In the meantime, I'd load up on RBs and WRs that might be questionable or in a position battle, and have eight bench players (instead of five) while awaiting their status. That wouldn't be fair to others in the league. If everyone in the league did it, it would be chaotic. Unfortunately, these sites don't enforce positional requirements, so it could be the wild west in that regard. Just curious what others think. I think the required positions should remain filled. Thanks for weighing in, reNO, and good luck.Fair
If people are against it I’ll stop but I’ve always streamed kicker and defense unless there is an obvious choice for D
T-Squared
CTG US Golf Open Contest Winner
There wasn't the hoped-for response to my original concerns, post No. 50, so, against my preference, I will hoard a couple players and leave my K and DST empty. I don't want to, but I feel compelled to give a concrete example of what I'm talking about. By doing so, there are three players (mine and another owner's) not available in the free-agent pool who I think should be. To recap, our league calls for the following roster construction:
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R/T, W/R/T, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, IR
However, Yahoo (and other platforms) don't enforce these requirements, making it possible to deviate. The other owner is using that option to carry six bench players while waiting until late in the week to add a kicker. I have no problem with streaming; I just think it should be done within our roster rules. But, until that's mandatory, I will do the same, leaving my K and DST empty to make speculative adds of Jordan Whittington and Tre Tucker. I doubt I'll keep them, probably just drop them at the end of the week, but I can decide that later. If I do drop them Saturday, they aren't available to anyone else.
Thus, the already thin free-agent pool is more depleted than it should be -- with byes here. Now, imagine if others, if not everyone, did this. Carnage and chaos.
As I said, I don't want to do this. I want to be a good league-mate (I've been here from the start). But I can't let one or more other team owners have an unchecked advantage. I hope measures are taken to make a it rule to follow the roster setup. If that happens, I'll fix my lineup pronto. If not, well, we'll see what happens.
Thanks.
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
In my other league that ran for about a decade on yahoo, we had a long standing rule that you had to carry a legal roster at all times.
I'll admit that I drafted an additional position player over a kicker.
I think it's a bit icky because the players you're hoarding then have to clear waivers and can't be used that week. In a 12 team league, the waiver wire talent pool is already thin enough.
I'll admit that I drafted an additional position player over a kicker.
I think it's a bit icky because the players you're hoarding then have to clear waivers and can't be used that week. In a 12 team league, the waiver wire talent pool is already thin enough.
T-Squared
CTG US Golf Open Contest Winner
I agree it's icky. I like the rule you had in the other league. If we can make that a rule today, I can put two players back in the pool and they'd be free agents. If it's later than today, they'd go to waivers. I don't like doing this, but I'm hoping an example of what I'm talking about will drive home the point. Only one person was doing it, and he said he'd stop if others were unhappy with deviating from the required roster setup. I think we just need to hear where people stand. I suppose it could be not a lot of owners are seeing this thread.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
I'm torn on how to respond. I've certainly done the practice before, maybe even in this league. There can be logical reasons for going through the week without a kicker and/or defense. In another league I had the unfortunate mistake of drafting Mark Andrews. I certainly can't play him right now, but I'm not prepared to drop him. I see Engram and Njoku on the wire but they both carry a Q tag. I also have a kicker on bye this week. Why drop two position players now when I can drop 1 and the kicker, pick up both, wait to see who's actually playing (usually on Friday or even Sunday) and then drop 1 of them and fill the kicker slot? Is that unethical? I guess it depends on the league. It's a prize league where Yahoo is the commissioner so it's sort of the wild west, you know? Here we all are well acquainted so I can see where some gentleman's agreements could be put in play.
I don't mind having a rule against it but there are other Yahoo peculiarities that also come into play. For instance, Cub notes having a legal roster....what exactly does that mean? Would a team be required to move players that lose their qualification to be on IR (they change from O to Q) off of it ASAP? Yahoo limits roster transactions if you have a healthy player on IR but it doesn't limit lineup movement. Is a healthy or Q player on IR considered a legal roster?
Also, I think there was an issue in the past where a player that was on your bench from a Thursday game could be dropped and replaced prior to the Sunday games....can that still happen? And if so, should that be barred?
If we're going to start making rules that circumvent the abilities of the program we're using, we need to be pretty clear as to what we're trying to enforce.
For the K and D/ST, it could be something simple, like "All players need to have a minimum of 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K and 1 D/ST on their roster at all times." Or it could be required prior to the start of the Thursday night game to allow the other players a chance to acquire the players before the Sunday games and give players at least a couple of days of practice to better know where their roster stands. So many players pop up with tags on Wednesday its starting to look like the NBA.
I don't mind having a rule against it but there are other Yahoo peculiarities that also come into play. For instance, Cub notes having a legal roster....what exactly does that mean? Would a team be required to move players that lose their qualification to be on IR (they change from O to Q) off of it ASAP? Yahoo limits roster transactions if you have a healthy player on IR but it doesn't limit lineup movement. Is a healthy or Q player on IR considered a legal roster?
Also, I think there was an issue in the past where a player that was on your bench from a Thursday game could be dropped and replaced prior to the Sunday games....can that still happen? And if so, should that be barred?
If we're going to start making rules that circumvent the abilities of the program we're using, we need to be pretty clear as to what we're trying to enforce.
For the K and D/ST, it could be something simple, like "All players need to have a minimum of 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K and 1 D/ST on their roster at all times." Or it could be required prior to the start of the Thursday night game to allow the other players a chance to acquire the players before the Sunday games and give players at least a couple of days of practice to better know where their roster stands. So many players pop up with tags on Wednesday its starting to look like the NBA.
T-Squared
CTG US Golf Open Contest Winner
I agree there are nuances to the site that can throw us. I didn't know about the add/drop 24-hour thing before a player hits waiver until I was years in. Nor did I immediately grasp the waiver ranking process. I do think your last graph, stating the simple rule of having the required positions filled at all times, is doable and would prevent abuse of the "5" bench spots. I'm in a couple two-QB leagues where we cap the number of QBs per roster at 3. I inadvertently went over that number while mismanaging a half-dozen add-drop options, and fixed it the moment I realized it. It doesn't seem like much now for our league, but what if everyone in the league gravitated to 7, 8 or even 9 bench spots (QBs and TEs are streaming options for some). If someone else is using that loophole, I and others shouldn't hesitate. I appreciate the thoughtful response.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Let me argue some of the counterpoints before there's a decision, just to be fair (as I said before, I'm torn on this issue):
1) 14 and 29 out of 128. Over the last 4 weeks those are the number of times a defense has scored double digits and the number of times they've scored at least 7 points. The #12 defense in our league averages 5.5 points per game and the double-digit games are pretty much a random 9/1 shot. The position is worth basically half the value of any other skill position player. How many of our 48 matchups have been decided by less than 5.5 points? 3. In theory a team could play without a defense at all and not have it negatively impact them. So, I can certainly understand a player streaming this position and waiting until Sunday to even roster the position, or maybe not at all.
2) Kicker is a bit more lucrative points-wise but is also just as random in its results. I've read websites that try to predict the top kickers each week.....they only get about half right. There are obviously some great ones (Aubrey leading the way), but I'd say after the top handful you can spin a wheel and get just as good results. So again, if you're streaming why lock it in right away?
3) The players getting held while the K and D slots sit empty are always flex or stash guys, so it's the 150+ ranked guys. Maybe they're useful to someone else, but it's as much a crap shoot as anything. ReNew dropped his kicker to grab Josh Downs. Downs is projecting for about 8 points. He could do better if Flacco plays, he could do worse if Richardson plays. Even in our competitive league you can find a guy that has a good shot at getting 8 points (hint - Jalen Tolbert this week with Cooks out). He might drop Trey Sermon end of the week. But I can see why he wants to hold him until we know the story on JT. He might keep him and throw back Spears or even return Downs. Either way he was nice enough to acquire Downs on waivers so he's near the back of the line next Tuesday. If someone really wants one of the guys being temporarily hoarded right now, they can try the trade route.
4) This might be the most important factor in the long run....we have no enforcement mechanism for any rule that will restrict something that can be freely done on Yahoo's program. So even if there's a gentleman's agreement, we're still playing for some cash. What's the penalty system look like? Rules that not enforceable can be worse than no rule at all.
1) 14 and 29 out of 128. Over the last 4 weeks those are the number of times a defense has scored double digits and the number of times they've scored at least 7 points. The #12 defense in our league averages 5.5 points per game and the double-digit games are pretty much a random 9/1 shot. The position is worth basically half the value of any other skill position player. How many of our 48 matchups have been decided by less than 5.5 points? 3. In theory a team could play without a defense at all and not have it negatively impact them. So, I can certainly understand a player streaming this position and waiting until Sunday to even roster the position, or maybe not at all.
2) Kicker is a bit more lucrative points-wise but is also just as random in its results. I've read websites that try to predict the top kickers each week.....they only get about half right. There are obviously some great ones (Aubrey leading the way), but I'd say after the top handful you can spin a wheel and get just as good results. So again, if you're streaming why lock it in right away?
3) The players getting held while the K and D slots sit empty are always flex or stash guys, so it's the 150+ ranked guys. Maybe they're useful to someone else, but it's as much a crap shoot as anything. ReNew dropped his kicker to grab Josh Downs. Downs is projecting for about 8 points. He could do better if Flacco plays, he could do worse if Richardson plays. Even in our competitive league you can find a guy that has a good shot at getting 8 points (hint - Jalen Tolbert this week with Cooks out). He might drop Trey Sermon end of the week. But I can see why he wants to hold him until we know the story on JT. He might keep him and throw back Spears or even return Downs. Either way he was nice enough to acquire Downs on waivers so he's near the back of the line next Tuesday. If someone really wants one of the guys being temporarily hoarded right now, they can try the trade route.
4) This might be the most important factor in the long run....we have no enforcement mechanism for any rule that will restrict something that can be freely done on Yahoo's program. So even if there's a gentleman's agreement, we're still playing for some cash. What's the penalty system look like? Rules that not enforceable can be worse than no rule at all.
T-Squared
CTG US Golf Open Contest Winner
All good points. I would hope a gentleman's agreement would be adhered to, but no guarantees, of course. I don't know that there will be a decision, so I will continue to process under current rules. There hasn't been much reaction, so I might be on an island. All good. Thanks and GL.
reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
I put in a claim!
He should be able to reverse it. Had this happen in another one of my leagues in the past and this year.
I'll have to look at it later today
should be corrected now.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Thank you sir! I appreciate it!
T-Squared
CTG US Golf Open Contest Winner
Congrats to the playoff qualifiers. I had a late push, with 164-165 points three of the last four weeks, but it wasn't enough to overcome a slow start. I'm going to set my lineup for the consolations but won't make any transactions. I believe those players should be left to the the ones competing for the cash. Good luck.
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
@T-Squared look at the points allowed by our teams. Boy did we get fucked.
T-Squared
CTG US Golf Open Contest Winner
Yeah, I was checking that out during the season. I think I was leading in PA until the last week. Made we wonder about the league median scoring option, where you're playing two games each week. Don't have any experience with it, though.
reNew Orleans
Clubbin' with Rasual Butler
Not sure yahoo offers that format.
It would be a fun twist if there’s a good platform available in all states. I hear good things about underdog but it’s not available in Louisiana
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