DJ Durkin/Maryland ...

I do find it interesting that the line keeps falling. Everything that’s happening has to be a major distraction for the team and it will only intensify this weekend. I would absolutely expect protests in front of the stadium and a lackluster effort from at least some of the players. You have to expect defections are coming at the end of the season which closes with OSU and PSU.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
I mean, it‘s football. Kids die. They die every year. It‘s sad but it happens and that doesn‘t mean there‘s a toxic culture or whatever. I mean, saying demeaning shit and insulting players, didn‘t we call that former Aggie loser a pussy for complaining about that, and now that‘s supposed to be tied to a kid‘s death? Be reasonable—that yahoo article is total trash. It just appeals to emotion, doesn’t say anything of substance. Coaches are trying to get the best and most out of those kids. This is simply a reminder that they need to ease up a little by making sure the kids get some water. Were you calling for Dennis Green get fired for Stringer?
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Wow. Just Wow.

You literally have ZERO clue about what you are talking about. ZERO.
 
The head coach is directly responsible and accountable for ALL things that occur on the team. It is no different than a CEO or Manager of a department / team. You set the standard, you uphold it, you create the culture, you hire your staff, etc.

Durkin knew his staffs tactics, approaches, etc and approved it. Regardless if he was the one telling mcnair to keep running it falls on him entirely.

These are PROFESSIONALS where their expertise and training is to know how hard to push kids and what is too much. It is not a one size fits all program. Its ridiculous to think bc one kid has better physical fitness that all should be held to that standard.

These are professionals with degrees in training. It is malpractice to have someone die under your watch due to over exhaustion. Ive asked several D1 football athletes on this front and they validated how practices are run (all on HC) as well as how any trainer should not have kept pushing mcnair.
 
Timh said:
DJ Durkin returns to the Maryland football team, and three players walk out of his first meeting
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...c72cbf131f2_story.html?utm_term=.89462d479178
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I give these three kids credit. It takes a lot of courage to be the first to say enough is enough and make a stand. They probably leave the program or scholarships get pulled which basically sweeps it all under the rug. The rest of them need to follow suit and I'm hopeful they are considering something as a unified front to take a stand.
 
Depending how the campus protest goes tonight I think there's a real chance the game could be postponed. Could get even uglier
 
VirginiaCavs said:
I mean, it‘s football. Kids die. They die every year. It‘s sad but it happens and that doesn‘t mean there‘s a toxic culture or whatever. I mean, saying demeaning shit and insulting players, didn‘t we call that former Aggie loser a pussy for complaining about that, and now that‘s supposed to be tied to a kid‘s death? Be reasonable—that yahoo article is total trash. It just appeals to emotion, doesn’t say anything of substance. Coaches are trying to get the best and most out of those kids. This is simply a reminder that they need to ease up a little by making sure the kids get some water. Were you calling for Dennis Green get fired for Stringer?
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What does it say about you that I went to this thread expecting to read you defending the head coach who oversaw a program responsible for the death of a 19 year old?
 
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rambler882 said:
The head coach is directly responsible and accountable for ALL things that occur on the team. It is no different than a CEO or Manager of a department / team. You set the standard, you uphold it, you create the culture, you hire your staff, etc.

Durkin knew his staffs tactics, approaches, etc and approved it. Regardless if he was the one telling mcnair to keep running it falls on him entirely.

These are PROFESSIONALS where their expertise and training is to know how hard to push kids and what is too much. It is not a one size fits all program. Its ridiculous to think bc one kid has better physical fitness that all should be held to that standard.

These are professionals with degrees in training. It is malpractice to have someone die under your watch due to over exhaustion. Ive asked several D1 football athletes on this front and they validated how practices are run (all on HC) as well as how any trainer should not have kept pushing mcnair.
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It actually is different from a CEO — a college football program is much more of an enclosed ecosystem. Many less layers to the organization - people at the top of such places know everything going on in intimate detail simply because of how few people are involved.
 
raems said:
It actually is different from a CEO — a college football program is much more of an enclosed ecosystem. Many less layers to the organization - people at the top of such places know everything going on in intimate detail simply because of how few people are involved.
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Completely agree. And even a CEO is held accountable.
 
raems said:
What does it say about you that I went to this thread expecting to read you defending the head coach who oversaw a program responsible for the death of a 19 year old?
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Think of me as you please would just like to say i‘ve never defended Nassar nor hoped for anything else than that he gets his ass kicked on the daily in prison.
 
@VirginiaCavs let me make this easy enough for you to understand. While people can have a difference of opinion, we don't need the constant "trolling" from you. Sadly, I realize you are not doing the trolling on purpose, but are just that socially inept.

I want to feel sorry for you, I really do. But you're almost a 30 year old "man" that is completely clueless. If your unrelenting defense of the Pedo St enablers, including Joe Pa, was not bad enough, your deleted Twitter account saying "blacks" shouldn't be allowed to vote and praising Hitler and Germans put it over the top. I have a lot of names I would love to call you right now, but I'm not going to let the site be further degraded by you. Let's just say I find you a disgusting "human."

So give me just one more reason to ban you. Respond to this post. Send me a PM. Whine to another mod. I'll run your goofy ass so fast you'd think I was a women trying to escape from talking to you.

If you foolishly want to keep posting here and it is not 100% sports related. I'll run you. If the sports related talk is controversial, don't post it. I'll run you. If you want to disagree with someone, don't. I'll run you. If people give you a hard time, I'll laugh, like the post, and pending my mood maybe run you. Get it?
 
I don't understand why the president didn't go ahead and fire Durkin even though the regents told him they would fire him if he did. He's getting fired anyway even though he is allowed to say it was his own decision to leave this summer. Why not stand up for his beliefs even if it costs him a few paychecks?

So far I have not seen one reporter, broadcaster, any other media person, or any objective person who thinks this is anything but a disaster. I feel for the players and students.

I'm surprised Durkin is not smart enough--or his lawyer and agent are not smart enough--to see that no one but the regents thinks he should be allowed to coach again. He seems to have no connection with reality, no personal principles, and no sense of shame. Maryland better pay whatever it takes to keep a law suit from being filed against Durkin and the university. If a good lawyer ever gets Durkin on the stand he will rip hi to shreds.

What a mess.
 
Next they need to bounce the Maryland board of trustees. What an incredible failure on so many levels.
 
The Board of Trustees failed in every regard, and caused national embarrassment for the University of MD and showed no respect or dignity for Jordan McNair and his family. You can't even script a more complete cluster fuck disaster if you tried.
 
These kids have been so fucked over this year, I have no idea how they can possibly focus during this cluster fuck.
 
As a B1G fan I really hated MD and Rutgers being added. I realize not connected directly to this but my goodness are these two universities worthless to the conference.

Hey. At least they got TV money!
 
That's a good report by SI, but while McCann is a lawyer he is not a practicing attorney who actually does litigation. In addition he is merely trying to interpret the contract instead of looking at the legal realities the way an attorney who was going to try the case would do.

I don't argue with his interpretation, but I see it differently in some respects.

I have no doubts Maryland could have fired him with cause if they had the stomach for it, but most of the time schools prefer to pay the money rather than face litigation. After all, it's not their money they are paying Durkin. It costs them nothing to pay him off and if they do it that way none of the suits in the athletic department or the administration have to testify under oath. No dirty little secrets will be exposed.

There is zero doubt he was supervising the strength coach and zero doubt the strength coach was reporting to him. That's the way it's done in every program in the country. Any attorney could put Durkin on the stand and make a complete fool of him if he denied it. And if you read those excerpts from the report it's clear Durkin knew about all these episodes even though Durkin claimed he couldn't recall or didn't remember or was never told, all the usual claims guys make when they actually did it but have been coached by an attorney.

Any competent attorney could disgrace Durkin under oath and any attorney could find written proof in memos, emails and texts. You can always find proof as the Ohio State and Baylor cases proved.

But just because the suits at Maryland prefer to use taxpayer funds to pay off a guilty coach does not mean it's a bad idea. It ends the episode for good and the University family can put it behind them and get on with the future.

But I would not just write Durkin a check. If the university had competent counsel--not a sure thing when you are dealing with a state academic institution--they had standard language in the contract that requires Durkin to seek other work and to make weekly reports of exactly what he did to seek work--who he called, who he wrote to, what responses he got, etc, etc--and the right to offset any income he receives from the amount owed.

So I would tell Durkin or his attorney 1 we will not pay it in a lump sum, we will pay it over five years or whatever the original length of the contract is, we want the weekly reports by 9 am the following Monday and we want precise reports, and if he misses the report we will consider the agreement suspended and no funds will be paid until he meets the terms, and put in all kinds of non-disclosure agreements to hold over his head if he decided he wanted to try and blame someone else.

Some schools do this and most pro teams do it, but some prefer to just cut ties and get the old coach out of their hair so people forget the whole episode.

That sounds like what Maryland did, but it doesn't mean they couldn't fire the slob for cause if they had wanted to.
 
In my opinion the University of Maryland should be banned from all NCAA sporting events for 5 full years.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
You‘re reasoning from ex post facto to reconstrue his intention. In philosophy we call this a logical fallacy. But, even tho your iq is probably higher than mine, you can‘t see it because you‘re so blinded by your emotion

If this unpredictable event hadn‘t happened, nobody would have taken issue with Durkin. Just like nobody cares abou how all the other top coaches run their practices. Symptoms weren‘t recognized because there‘s a very gray area between struggling with physical limits in the sense that one is trying to become tougher and gain fitness and actual physical danger. Who knows how many people were close to crossing their physical threshhold, how close we‘ve come to wanting to trash other coaches but don‘t
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Vircav...I think you are wrong here....there were a lot of people taking issue with Durkin, just the people that no one would listen too. Abuse of our human brothers should never be tolerated at any level...if you read the content of the data available you can see this was not physical training....it was abuse at an absurd level....Durkin should be jailed not fired
 
The president has at least come across as competent and remorseful in this whole thing, not sure what the local temperature is there about him Timmy. Gonna guess he'll be a casualty of all this anyway as well but that Board, good riddance as they fall off.
 
BJPLAYER said:
Vircav...I think you are wrong here....there were a lot of people taking issue with Durkin, just the people that no one would listen too. Abuse of our human brothers should never be tolerated at any level...if you read the content of the data available you can see this was not physical training....it was abuse at an absurd level....Durkin should be jailed not fired
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The parent said the nature of the workout was not “asking for trouble.” The temperature in College Park on May 29 was in the low 80s, and the parent said, “based on the amount of sprints, the amount of activity they were doing and the temperature, it wasn’t one of those days that most teams or coaches would think something would go wrong.”


But the mob hath spoken.
 
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