DJ Durkin/Maryland ...

This is a fucking PR nightmare.

Canada is 5-3

Players walked out of the meeting announcing he's staying...and the Board of Regents puts the gun to the President's head to keep him?

FOR DJ FUCKING DURKIN? THIS ISN'T VINCE LOMBARDI WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE?!?!
 
And the line has dropped some more. Sparty only 1.5 now this weekend. Very good run defense vs a run oriented team that frankly will have other issues to deal with this week. Just saying ...
 
I mean, it‘s football. Kids die. They die every year. It‘s sad but it happens and that doesn‘t mean there‘s a toxic culture or whatever. I mean, saying demeaning shit and insulting players, didn‘t we call that former Aggie loser a pussy for complaining about that, and now that‘s supposed to be tied to a kid‘s death? Be reasonable—that yahoo article is total trash. It just appeals to emotion, doesn’t say anything of substance. Coaches are trying to get the best and most out of those kids. This is simply a reminder that they need to ease up a little by making sure the kids get some water. Were you calling for Dennis Green get fired for Stringer?
 
I know from your writing you cannot be as dumb as you sound in that post, Cavs. Is this some compulsion you feel to deny all college scandals in the hope that somehow people will forget Penn State cleaned house of guys who enabled a pedophile?

The Yahoo article is not "trash." I didn't see once single claim that was not fact. Perhaps you will list all the inaccuracies that convince you it is trash.

Then you can list all those "players who die every year" because they were bullied by coaches and denied competent medical care.

This is a disaster for Maryland. The things the university admitted about Durkin's behavior in their statement that he will keep his job is enough to get a coach fired at any respectable university, even if a kid hadn't been killed by the acts of Durkin and his staff.
 
Hey Tahoe, please don't try to support yourself with your complete ignorance in a case where the guy in question was literally cleared of all wrong doing by the legal experts involved...for starters cause Sandusky didn't meet his first victim (Fisher) until seven years after he retired LOL
 
Tahoe, what interesting facts are reported there about Durkin? All I really see are ridiculous appeals to emotion that have no place in an article that is supposed to be factual and objective (or I guess not??) and shots at "millionaire head coaches" not sure how unique the "abusive" behavior is, not saying I like it AT ALL, no human being should have vomit chucked at him, but it increasingly seems to be common at major programs, so to tie that to a kid's death is rather illogical cause kids don't often die
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/21/heal...-injuries-high-school-college-trnd/index.html

regularly double-digit numbers of deaths. So yes very rare, and it's normal to get emotional etc etc and you'd surely like to view every one as preventable and I hope that every death is preventable, but YEARLY it happens way more often than we'd like so I think it reasonable to conclude that it's a part of the sport and we accept the risks, I mean we don't want to ban football or even ban cigarettes where death seems much harder to prevent. It happens. Sucks but happens...
 
Let's be real. One: Durkin isn't a trained medical professional. So no idea where he even gets brought into this (ok people are just obsessed with blaming the guy at the top at all costs). Two: there's NO CLEAR LINE between when it's ok to push a player and when it's unsafe to do so. That's why this shit keeps happening. So you choose to play the sport and accept the risk that trained medical professionals can only mitigate to x degree or you don't. Football happens to be the most rigorous sport out there where kids are trained to push their limits. All of these articles that criticize "toxic culture" for toughening kids up are 100% written by guys who never played football at a high level, who are snowflakes, or otherwise have no idea what is culturally normal and has been forever and doesn't carry responsibility for killing anybody.
 
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I really think you have missed the entire point here. It is absolutely unacceptable to have a heat exertion death happen in this day and age in college football with protocols firmly in place, regarding taking temperature and having cold water immersion available. What happened here is medical malfeasance and truthfully outright incompetence by the training staff who reported to Durkin. A player died needlessly and that can not be overlooked! Whether the training staff should report to the head coach is entirely another question all together and I firmly believe they should not! This is Durkin's program and he should bear the responsibility. The other issues toxic culture, athletic dept dysfunction are superfluous to the ultimate responsibility to take care of the student athlete under his charge.
 
Misdiagnosis is light years away from malfeasance. You can‘t let what happened ex post facto determine your opinion towards what happened on the football field
 
scarf31 said:
If that was your brother, would you feel the same way?

You’re missing the human element in all of this IMO, Cavs.
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Fuck the human element. People are programmed to be overemotional and this makes them irrational. Look at the facts, just the facts.
 
People are allowed to be sad. If it were Travis I would be grieving like I still grieve for him. But to be swayed by thet emotion to the point where i‘m being irrational and assigning blame to people who can‘t be reasonably expected to bear it given the facts of the case is something totally different
 
VirginiaCavs said:
Fuck the human element. People are programmed to be overemotional and this makes them irrational. Look at the facts, just the facts.
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See that bolded part right there?

That’s the cause of why you are so out of touch with reality, kid. Emotions are what make interpersonal relationships in sports phenomenal. Between teammates...between fans and a city...between a dad and his son who can’t bond over anything but still have memories of the time they went to a baseball or football game...

If there weren’t emotions SO DEEPLY TIED TO ALMOST EVERY ASPECT OF SPORTS THEY WOULDN’T BE SO IMPORTANT TO US!!!

Fuck the human element? GTFO of here man...we are human beings not robots.

If you want to take the human element out of sports, then you’ve got analytical analysis of mathematical probability.

FUCK
THAT
NOISE

You’re so lost on this one, kid, that I am actually truly sad for you that you feel this way. And I genuinely like you...but this is one of the saddest, most pathetic opinions I’ve ever seen anyone have in over 11 years at this place.
 
There are times and places for emotions. Im not a robot, either. Just the other day Al was talking about my love for Sparty. But this is a case with legal implications and that calls for a strict adherence to the black and white.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
There are times and places for emotions. Im not a robot, either. Just the other day Al was talking about my love for Sparty. But this is a case with legal implications and that calls for a strict adherence to the black and white.
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No, kid. This is a case of parents who send their kid off to be led by a man in the most important aspect of their lives as 18 year olds.

The HC and the decisions he make represent himself, the university and anyone with ties to the program.

As the HC you are responsible for the actions of the coaches you are in power over. Durkin had a disturbing relationship with the strength coach as his spy as it is.

Even the President did what he could to have him fired...the Board of Regents is doing unrepairable damage to this program.

You are 100% missing the fact that a KID IS DEAD.

And it was under the watch of this piece of shit.

Maryland basically is saying they want to sweep this under the rug like Notre Dame swept Kelly sending a kid up to film practice in 55 mph winds.

Kelly should burn in hell for what he did. That program put football over a guy’s life. Now Maryland can and should feel the backlash for what they’re doing to join Kelly and put football over life.

Let’s just see if this story gets any attention nationally...see if people are appalled at this BofR’s decision.

Nobody wins here. And all to save a 10-15 football coach.

This is a special level of fucking stupid. I cannot believe they came to this decision...shit, I can’t believe it was even discussed whether he should be fired.

This is absolutely mindboggling in nearly every aspect what has happened here.
 
Under his watch is very vague terminology. When assignment of responsibility needs to have very specific reasons
 
Instead of merely calling you a name, I will attempt to reason with your ridiculous logic. I fully understand and agree that a lot of the media is way to "soft" when it comes to the coach/player relationships IN SOME ASPECTS. As in, there are some people who get angry every time a college coach mildly grabs a player on the sideline and some people who get angry if a coach uses profanity. Those things are ridiculous and if you want to complain that there is a certain level of intensity that a coach should have that the general public doesn't understand and shouldn't get involved in, then fine. But a kid fucking died. As in, he is no longer alive. Because of this piece of shit. And your response is "well, what are you gonna do?" You sound like a sociopath.
 
This "investigation" did not pass the smell test when it took as long as it did. It doesn't take months to get to the bottom of what happened, and assign blame.
 
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VirginiaCavs said:
Was McNair as fit as he should have been at the time?
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So if a drunk driver goes and drinks 20 beers and gets in a car, has a head on crash with you paralyzing you, and you are slightly overtired while driving, are you to blame for not getting enough sleep and being as awake as you should be before getting behind the wheel?

Your angle is assinine. McNair is at the mercy of an uncontrollable element, his coaches direction and instruction of which he has no ability to do anything about. There is zero he can do to combat that. His fitness angle is completely unreliable as a viewpoint IMO.
 
scarf31 said:
So if a drunk driver goes and drinks 20 beers and gets in a car, has a head on crash with you paralyzing you, and you are slightly overtired while driving, are you to blame for not getting enough sleep and being as awake as you should be before getting behind the wheel?

Your angle is assinine. McNair is at the mercy of an uncontrollable element, his coaches direction and instruction of which he has no ability to do anything about. There is zero he can do to combat that. His fitness angle is completely unreliable as a viewpoint IMO.
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How are workouts that everyone participated in analogous to a blatantly criminal act (drunk driving). I think his fitness question is completely relevant because he‘s the only one this happened to. Again, his symptoms were misdiagnosed. Doctors make wrong decisions far too often that lead to dire consequences for many people. It absolutely sucks and you feel for those people and hope it never happens to your worst enemy but why don‘t those doctors get fired and suspected of abuse as well?
 
VirginiaCavs said:
How are workouts that everyone participated in analogous to a blatantly criminal act (drunk driving). I think his fitness question is completely relevant because he‘s the only one this happened to. Again, his symptoms were misdiagnosed. Doctors make wrong decisions far too often that lead to dire consequences for many people. It absolutely sucks and you feel for those people and hope it never happens to your worst enemy but why don‘t those doctors get fired and suspected of abuse as well?
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Doctors get sued for malpractice all of the time for decisions that they make. Whether they are right or wrong. I chose the drunk driver analogy because that's what I compare Durkin to in how he made his decisions (with judgment being the first you lose)...how do you know that 1. McNair didn't have any notes on his medical record showing that he may be susceptible to strenuous workouts and if so that 2. Durkin knew that and didn't care?
 
If Durkin willingly endangered the kid‘s life i‘d think he‘d not only be fired but he‘d be charged as well for criminal neglect
 
VirginiaCavs said:
If Durkin willingly endangered the kid‘s life i‘d think he‘d not only be fired but he‘d be charged as well for criminal neglect
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You're making my point for me. He SHOULD be charged with those things.

This is the board of regents wanting to hitch their wagons onto a 10-15 football coach. It's like the Browns deciding Hue Jackson after going 1-31 was worthy of a 3rd season leading their team and expecting positive results. 1 billion percent mindless ass backward thinking.
 
scarf31 said:
You're making my point for me. He SHOULD be charged with those things.

This is the board of regents wanting to hitch their wagons onto a 10-15 football coach. It's like the Browns deciding Hue Jackson after going 1-31 was worthy of a 3rd season leading their team and expecting positive results. 1 billion percent mindless ass backward thinking.
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So you think he should be charged because of some non-existent documents? Not sure where I helped your point
 
You‘re reasoning from ex post facto to reconstrue his intention. In philosophy we call this a logical fallacy. But, even tho your iq is probably higher than mine, you can‘t see it because you‘re so blinded by your emotion

If this unpredictable event hadn‘t happened, nobody would have taken issue with Durkin. Just like nobody cares abou how all the other top coaches run their practices. Symptoms weren‘t recognized because there‘s a very gray area between struggling with physical limits in the sense that one is trying to become tougher and gain fitness and actual physical danger. Who knows how many people were close to crossing their physical threshhold, how close we‘ve come to wanting to trash other coaches but don‘t
 
VirginiaCavs said:
You‘re reasoning from ex post facto to reconstrue his intention. In philosophy we call this a logical fallacy. But, even tho your iq is probably higher than mine, you can‘t see it because you‘re so blinded by your emotion
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On the contrary, your IQ is probably twice what mine is. I know about 4 things very well in life: 1. numbers/statistics 2. how many beers fit in a beer bong you make with a Auto Zone funnel, clear tubing and a clamp, 3. college is 100000% overrated and life isn't lived from a textbook; life is lived in a world where human interaction and creating your own potential for luck to strike you is extraordinarily important in how your life ends up and 4. If your best skill in life is to listen to people, you're ahead of 90% of the rest of the world.

You keep going with your view of the world from what you see on paper and in how a lawyer would argue Durkin's side of the coin...I will stick with my guns, look around at the real world and stick with my way of thinking.
 
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