Johnnyonthespot
CTG Regular
Nice guy, not HC material, had his chance, showed his hand.
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Nice guy, not HC material, had his chance, showed his hand.
Teapot9
Not from 63rd
Bullshit! Did you see what that program did for young talented men in the 80s and 90s? They had nothing else. The University of Miami helped a lot of less fortunate youth.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Look what he did at his previous stops as well.
Johnnyonthespot
CTG Regular
U of Miami in the 80s and 90s was fucking animal house. Scared refs, no replay, that is ancient history.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Miami football has been irrelevant on the national scene for 15 years or so but the run they had the previous 20 runs was incredible.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Cristobal sure as hell isn't the answer and neither is Schiano. This is still a big time job for an up and coming coach that wants to win big.
Johnnyonthespot
CTG Regular
I know that you know sports. You are probably right. I dont hate him or anything. It will probably be his job.
brewers888
Chicken Little
The job definitely has its drawbacks but it is still one of the programs capable of winning championships.
Johnnyonthespot
CTG Regular
Not the same. Kansas hoops is top tier
Johnnyonthespot
CTG Regular
If they want to win, they hire Neal Brown
brewers888
Chicken Little
He coached Jimmy G at Eastern Illinois and did a great job turning around Bowling Green before landing at Syracuse where he has beaten Clemson and almost did it again this last season.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Another great choice.
Johnnyonthespot
CTG Regular
Neal Brown is the best man available
Johnnyonthespot
CTG Regular
If he wins without Dungey, having had time to groom replacement, I will be sold.
Johnnyonthespot
CTG Regular
Dont conflate poor kid with incorrigible kid. Different things man
brewers888
Chicken Little
Bruce Feldman reported that Richt "retired" after they told him they were going to fire his son as the QBs coach.
Teapot9
Not from 63rd
Wow. What a pussy. I really liked the guy and thought he was the answer (still do). I can’t believe there was no middle ground to be found.
TahoeLegend
Pretty much a regular
The idea that Miami is still a top-tier job must be based on nostalgia or there must be some fan-boys posting on this thread, because the facts say otherwise.
They had a run where they were very good, but that was long ago. And it was when they were in the Big East. Since they entered the ACC they are winning at a mere 55% rate and have never won a conference title. And that is over a long period. I think they have been in the ACC for 15 or16 years now. So long that kids they are recruiting have zero memory they have ever won even a conference title, let along a national title.
They have the same handicaps they have always had--small student body, no stadium, small alumni base, 3rd rate facilities, money problems, and now that they are in the ACC almost every school they are recruiting against has a better situation in all those categories
The SEC recruits Florida heavily and every school is so far ahead of Miami in those categories there's no comparison. Same with the Big 10 and Big 12 schools that recruit Florida.
It's a different world than it was when Miami was in the Big East and the flood of money had not hit college football.
And the worst drawback of all is that Miami fans pay no attention at all to all those disadvantages and think it's still 1990. Miami has won one national title in the last 28 years--and that one was 18 years ago--and haven't even been in the discussion with the top teams in the lifetimes of any high school athlete, and yet Miami fans believe they are equal to Alabama and Georgia and Clemson and Florida. That's bad news for any coach.
It's not impossible for them to be competitive in the ACC, but even that will be hard, as they have proved for two decades.
To say Miami in football is the same as Kansas in basketball is laughable.
They had a run where they were very good, but that was long ago. And it was when they were in the Big East. Since they entered the ACC they are winning at a mere 55% rate and have never won a conference title. And that is over a long period. I think they have been in the ACC for 15 or16 years now. So long that kids they are recruiting have zero memory they have ever won even a conference title, let along a national title.
They have the same handicaps they have always had--small student body, no stadium, small alumni base, 3rd rate facilities, money problems, and now that they are in the ACC almost every school they are recruiting against has a better situation in all those categories
The SEC recruits Florida heavily and every school is so far ahead of Miami in those categories there's no comparison. Same with the Big 10 and Big 12 schools that recruit Florida.
It's a different world than it was when Miami was in the Big East and the flood of money had not hit college football.
And the worst drawback of all is that Miami fans pay no attention at all to all those disadvantages and think it's still 1990. Miami has won one national title in the last 28 years--and that one was 18 years ago--and haven't even been in the discussion with the top teams in the lifetimes of any high school athlete, and yet Miami fans believe they are equal to Alabama and Georgia and Clemson and Florida. That's bad news for any coach.
It's not impossible for them to be competitive in the ACC, but even that will be hard, as they have proved for two decades.
To say Miami in football is the same as Kansas in basketball is laughable.
brewers888
Chicken Little
What a load of nonsense. The program went down the drain because they hired loser after loser after Butch Davis left to go to the NFL not because of what conference they were in. If they ever hire the right coach and I doubt that they will the program can be a consistent top 10 team.
The only ACC programs better than Miami are Clemson and Florida State and lets not act like Clemson was doing a lot of winning before Dabo. Miami has a great recruiting base to draw from. If the administration actually hires someone like Babers or Neal Brown they will win a lot of games.
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
I’m making a call to Josh Huepel tonight. Just sayin...
Jimmydafreak
Pretty much a regular
I Agree. Maryland suffers from some of the same issues, because College Park is literally located in the middle of the hood. But the bottom line is if you are a blue-chip prospect, and you take visits to Miami and/or Maryland, and visit literally any other prominent school in the ACC, SEC or Big 10, there is literally no incentive for that blue-chipper to attend Miami or Maryland. The other schools are simply superior.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Miami is going to screw this up by hiring either Cristobal or taking Diaz away from Temple. They have sucked for the last 15 years because they hire awful coaches and I expect nothing to change. Dino Babers and Neal Brown would be the guys I would look to hire but I doubt the AD has ever heard of either of those two.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Just to show what a class act Richt really is he left without receiving his buyout which was said to be pretty significant.
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
If you want to reach, go after Matt Campbell. Dude is proven. If you can win at ISU w 1-2* talent, you can surely win at the “U”.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Campbell would be great but I don't think he would want the job. While it makes no sense to me Campbell is getting a ton of NFL buzz with the Jets in particular mentioned as being interested.
That isn't a reach.
That is literally the next BIG name that will be dominating at a bigger school sooner rather than later.
NFL Buzz is just that. NFL reporters/insiders have a superiority complex.
None of the college coaches they mention have reached out to the teams most likely.
The new one today is Fitz to the Packers. If, that was offered, I could see him thinking about it.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Fitz to Green Bay makes sense since Murphy hired him at Northwestern.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Miami is hiring Manny Diaz. This program will never again be relevant.
Very true.
OU will be right there again though.
Texas is scratching the surface.
Just imagine Campbell with some major talent.... he has gems now... but....
TahoeLegend
Pretty much a regular
I-state can be competitive over the long term with most schools in the Big 12 in a good year except Oklahoma and Texas. They can even beat those two if they have a great year and catch one of those two when they are down or come out flat, but to pretend they can compete with either Texas or Oklahoma over the long haul makes no sense.
Iowa State has never won even one conference title in modern times. They have had some good coaches who have a little success, but not enough to ever win even one single title. They won one in some conference more than a century ago, but nothing since. The way you evaluate a program is to look at what they have done throughout their history. When a school goes more than a century without even a conference title there is a reason.
Lots of schools and their fans love to dream things will change, but they rarely do because success is based on certain factors that almost never change. Schools like Oklahoma or Alabama or USC may have a down period now and then because they get a bad coach, but the structure is still there just waiting for a good coach to turn things around and when one arrives they win titles. Those elite schools always have the same advantages. If you doubt me go back and look at the polls every 10 years or so for the last half century.
There was a shift after WW II because of massive population shifts but not much has changed since then. A team can have have a brief period of success like Miami did in the 90's and a lot of schools like Houston, Tulane, the Arizona schools, etc can have a few years in the spotlight, and a couple, Florida State and Boise State can come from nowhere and be successful over long periods, but you will see there is little change in the elite schools over the 70 plus years since WW II
Iowa State always has the same problems, the ones that have doomed them for the last century. The first is they are not even #1 in their own state and Iowa is a state that doesn't produce many players. And the states that surround them aren't hotbeds for high school football either. That's two strikes right there they have never been able to overcome.
Campbell is definitely a good coach (he got badly out-coached by Leach, but that's no disgrace), he's got a QB who is already good and will get better, and I State has a solid fan base. He's on even footing at worst with the Kansas Schools and West Virginia (although W Virginia has a MUCH more illustrious history than I State), but whoever the Iowa State coach is will always have an uphill struggle to compete with all the other Big 12 schools.
Iowa State has never won even one conference title in modern times. They have had some good coaches who have a little success, but not enough to ever win even one single title. They won one in some conference more than a century ago, but nothing since. The way you evaluate a program is to look at what they have done throughout their history. When a school goes more than a century without even a conference title there is a reason.
Lots of schools and their fans love to dream things will change, but they rarely do because success is based on certain factors that almost never change. Schools like Oklahoma or Alabama or USC may have a down period now and then because they get a bad coach, but the structure is still there just waiting for a good coach to turn things around and when one arrives they win titles. Those elite schools always have the same advantages. If you doubt me go back and look at the polls every 10 years or so for the last half century.
There was a shift after WW II because of massive population shifts but not much has changed since then. A team can have have a brief period of success like Miami did in the 90's and a lot of schools like Houston, Tulane, the Arizona schools, etc can have a few years in the spotlight, and a couple, Florida State and Boise State can come from nowhere and be successful over long periods, but you will see there is little change in the elite schools over the 70 plus years since WW II
Iowa State always has the same problems, the ones that have doomed them for the last century. The first is they are not even #1 in their own state and Iowa is a state that doesn't produce many players. And the states that surround them aren't hotbeds for high school football either. That's two strikes right there they have never been able to overcome.
Campbell is definitely a good coach (he got badly out-coached by Leach, but that's no disgrace), he's got a QB who is already good and will get better, and I State has a solid fan base. He's on even footing at worst with the Kansas Schools and West Virginia (although W Virginia has a MUCH more illustrious history than I State), but whoever the Iowa State coach is will always have an uphill struggle to compete with all the other Big 12 schools.
TahoeLegend
Pretty much a regular
Sorry if anyone has already posted this, but I didn't see it in the thread.
Rich Rodriguez to Ole Miss as OC. Sounds like a good hire to me.
Rich Rodriguez to Ole Miss as OC. Sounds like a good hire to me.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
Harbaugh to Jets predictably picking up steam again. Reportedly prepared to go after him. Fine, give me Campbell and I'll call it even.
Kids should not sign during early signing period with these coaches jobs in the balance. I'd tell my son to wait it out until the last minute. Then again, the coaches could still leave and you may be told you're out of a spot . Such a shitty situation for our young kids futures.
Kids should not sign during early signing period with these coaches jobs in the balance. I'd tell my son to wait it out until the last minute. Then again, the coaches could still leave and you may be told you're out of a spot . Such a shitty situation for our young kids futures.
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
Campbell got flat out robbed by incompetent B1G yearly asshat crew lead by a demon and he didn't even use it as an excuse.
There is no steam on Harbaugh to the Jets other than NY/NFL media. With that being said, plenty of shake up should happen (plenty means significant). It will be interesting to see who it is.
John O'Neill!!
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
I suppose any 17 yo could as a voidable contract, but they sign to a school not the coach.
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
Need to accuse the school of fraud or bad faith or something along those lines. They presented x, y, and z. None of x, y, and z were true. Just get it to a jury.
The NFL is now an offense-focused league...you want a guy who is calling offensive gameplans like it’s 1976 leading Darnold into the future? Get Darnold someone with an offense loaded with creative and modern features. Michigan fans cannot say they are overly thrilled with what he’s done in 4 years there...I just cannot see him
Going back to the NFL with his old-school “my way or the highway” mentality on offense and succeeding. The league is different. He will NOT adjust. Same with a guy like Zimmer. You hire a guy like that and you’re fucked. But the god damn Jets could fuck up a wet dream, so nothing would surprise me. They are the definition of incompetent.
