rambler882
Head of the Ben Johnson Fan Club
jesus you loved ben johnson not too long ago lol. don't be a hater
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Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
Everyone loves Johnson as a play caller but he does seem to have shall we say a weird personality. No doubt that Chicago made the best hire this cycle but there are questions about his personality.
rambler882
Head of the Ben Johnson Fan Club
Whats weird about it lol
He's been saying this about Ben... As have I for well over a year...
Amazing OC.
We all know that coordinator to HC is a whole different animal.
He might be the next great it could be a dud.
In other news (but related), Robert Saleh back where he belongs as a DC!
Great question.
I'd think that would be more intriguing overall.
Weaker division
Weather
Florida vs Illinois no contest
Trevor could be great with a guy like that.
Ben always said having 'his' GM was huge. That's why the Chicago decision was puzzling.
Spurrier's Brain
Fun ‘n’ Gun
Prescient.
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
Was there a head job that fucker didn't interview for? Guess all those interviews didn't go too well. Tough to explain away the last few years, I would think.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
Just going on what I've heard about him and I still find it very strange that he turned down the Washington job last year which offered better ownership and front office as well as the better QB though no one knew that for sure at the time.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
The Chicago job was all about the money which is fine but I still don't think much of him staying in the same division as the team that gave him the OC opportunity.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
Since everyone wants to know this I am ready to hand out my grades on all the coaching hirings
Chicago Ben Johnson A: the only thing preventing this from being an A+ is the questions about his personality but hiring the best offensive coordinator in the league gets this team an A grade
Jacksonville Liam Coen A-: this in my opinion was the second best available candidate after Johnson and Jacksonville did well in hiring him. They probably could have had Johnson if they fired Baalke earlier but this is a solid rebound from that mistake
Raiders Pete Carroll C: Pete is definitely a solid coach but he's probably not a long term solution and in that division with no QB they've probably got last place locked up for the next few seasons. I think they needed a young offensive coach for the long haul but Carroll should at least stabilize things which is a good thing.
Patriots Mike Vrabel B: Vrabel is definitely a solid coach but I see him as having a limited upside. He should establish them as the second best team in a one team division but its at least something.
Cowboys Brian Schottenheimer F: terrible offensive coordinator who is definitely a downgrade from McCarthy and this has the feel of a Jason Garrett type of hire with little to no upside
Jets Aaron Glenn F-: one of the most puzzling hires in many years this coach is about as inept as it gets. This hiring feels much like the Niners hiring Jim Tomsula and the Patriots hiring Jerod Mayo; both of those guys lasted one season and I expect Glenn to maybe last two. In an offensive league going with a bottom five defensive coordinator is indefensible and a same old Jets move.
Saints: if its Mike McCarthy C if its Joe Brady A- anyone else and I will grade it then.
Chicago Ben Johnson A: the only thing preventing this from being an A+ is the questions about his personality but hiring the best offensive coordinator in the league gets this team an A grade
Jacksonville Liam Coen A-: this in my opinion was the second best available candidate after Johnson and Jacksonville did well in hiring him. They probably could have had Johnson if they fired Baalke earlier but this is a solid rebound from that mistake
Raiders Pete Carroll C: Pete is definitely a solid coach but he's probably not a long term solution and in that division with no QB they've probably got last place locked up for the next few seasons. I think they needed a young offensive coach for the long haul but Carroll should at least stabilize things which is a good thing.
Patriots Mike Vrabel B: Vrabel is definitely a solid coach but I see him as having a limited upside. He should establish them as the second best team in a one team division but its at least something.
Cowboys Brian Schottenheimer F: terrible offensive coordinator who is definitely a downgrade from McCarthy and this has the feel of a Jason Garrett type of hire with little to no upside
Jets Aaron Glenn F-: one of the most puzzling hires in many years this coach is about as inept as it gets. This hiring feels much like the Niners hiring Jim Tomsula and the Patriots hiring Jerod Mayo; both of those guys lasted one season and I expect Glenn to maybe last two. In an offensive league going with a bottom five defensive coordinator is indefensible and a same old Jets move.
Saints: if its Mike McCarthy C if its Joe Brady A- anyone else and I will grade it then.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
I would have gone out of the organization altogether and hired someone like Allen or Eberflus instead of replacing a bad coordinator with someone who learned under him.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
rambler882
Head of the Ben Johnson Fan Club
eh all reports have said that BJ has wanted the Bears job since last year. Funny how all the talk this year was that he wouldnt leave DET, CHI is a mess, why would he ever, Tom Brady, blah blah blah
BJ has wanted the Bears gig and now he got it.
Inspekdah
My man, Donald Trump!
If there’s one organization where he could fail miserably, he picked it. I think Detroit has had an all time line. Similar to Cowboys last half decade until recently. That covers up a lot of warts. If he called that play action where Goff fumbled on 3/1 and the game swung or he was behind the WR pass - which I think he was, then he’s not perfect for feeling out the moment.
rambler882
Head of the Ben Johnson Fan Club
Last year what makes Washington better FO and ownership tho? They were all brand new and while this has been a good year they were a disaster for the last decade. The Bears have sucked at hiring GMs and HCs but as an organization they are a good one generally.
Inspekdah
My man, Donald Trump!
Jax is a weird organization. Still feels like an expansion franchise. Almost like an XFL team. And Lawrence seems seriously flawed with that long extended release. I don’t think it can be fixed in todays NFL.
rambler882
Head of the Ben Johnson Fan Club
it is also easy to just say "how good will or could he be as a HC", you say that for any new HC that is the case for all. The bigger question to me is what happens to the Lions w/o their coordinators and is Dan Campbell just a great talker/motivator? What happens when you don't have the talented coordinators...
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
The Washington owner has several teams that are well run and the Bears ownership has been one of the worst in the league. No need to get defensive you got your guy who was easily the best hire this cycle. I don't see how anyone would think the Bears organization has been well run but they did land the guy they wanted and congrats on that.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
I'd rather live in Jacksonville than either Chicago or New York which are both disgusting and the division is terrible. I do agree that Lawrence hasn't looked anything close to a franchise QB but I'd rather be in that division than having to beat out Detroit, Minesota, and Green Bay.
Inspekdah
My man, Donald Trump!
Yeah this is pretty accurate. And this GM has done nothing to prove he will be successful. Look at the pieces he’s let go vs the what he’s brought in. Feels like a DEI hire.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
Its clear there is no loyalty but there should be and I look at Johnson deciding to stay in the division as a definite strike against his character.
Inspekdah
My man, Donald Trump!
He must have hated working for “kick in their kneecaps” Dan.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
Aaron Glenn is the ultimate DEI hire.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
Dan seems like the best possible coach to work for and his constant praise for Glenn tells you he demands nothing of his coaches.
FSU24
Pretty much a regular
If the Bears suck at hiring GMs and HCs, which is undoubtedly true, what does it mean to say they are a “good one generally?” Good at what, exactly? The Bears have easily been one of the worst 3-5 run franchises in the NFL, and that’s been going on for decades at this point.
You’ve hit the nail on the head with Washington, yet seemingly don’t see the forest through the trees. Washington was a disaster for a decade plus, and then then got a new owner. Many times it really is that simple.
It ALWAYS starts at the top. Typically the bottom dwelling teams who are always near the bottom have horrible ownership. Pick any shitty team year in and year out, and I would be willing to be as much as you’d like that that team’s owner sucks and is a fucking moron.
FSU24
Pretty much a regular
The talent on the field is the most important factor. Period. So when a team doesn’t have the talented coordinators, they rely on their talented roster and get another coordinator who can continue the success. Often times that hire is a promotion from within, so that guy is familiar with the talent, schemes, philosophy, etc.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
That seems like a stretch at best. Taking a job and wanting to compete in the division I think took more guts than going the Brady route and jumping on a team in the easiest division in football, plus he knows the division which should help. The competitor in all of them should mean they want to face off with the best not run and hide, not to mention bears were the only team needing a head coach that seemingly has the qb and weapons to compete right away, he just has to fix the oline. Has nothing to do with loyalty and everything to do with setting yourself up for success. This s cutthroat business and I can’t imagine cambell or anyone else is thinking he did them dirty, he helped put lions back on the map now he wants to prove he can do it as the head guy, it been coaching suicide on his 1st gig to go to most these dogshit teams maybe other than jags who get the bonus of another pathetic easily winnable division.
I'd peak at how Campbell has moved about with his assistants and how involved he is on both sides, but especially offense before asking those questions....
Great OL
Above average QB
Best duo at RB
All pro TE
All pro WR
Mega talent at WR2
That's going to make any coordinator look good.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
Sorry have to disagree completely. There are coordinators that will screw things up regardless of the talent level. The Lions should be fine once they go with Engstrand but if they were to hire a bum as the OC the team would suffer.
Brewers888
Presumptive 2028 Vice Presidential Nominee
What part of what you replied to is being a hater?
He tried to act like Dan Campbell in his presser, not who he is. He's an introvert and not a rah rah guy at all....Lions beat beat writers were like who is this guy?
They are running the same concepts on offense no matter who the guy is. It's going to be someone who helped Ben build the offense.
People keep forgetting MCDC called the plays and improved scoring dramatically at the end of 2021 season. He's the one that saw something in Ben Johnson. Definitely not worried about his evaluation of coaching talent.
FSU24
Pretty much a regular
Because there are outliers doesn’t mean you disagree with him. What he said is true. Sure, there may be a few guys who would/could fuck up a situation like Detroit currently has, but odds are that talent is going to make the OC look good, even if he’s not *the* guy who would get it done in a lesser situation.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
@B.A.R. Made a great observation I think he would been a fantastic hire for bills if they would have the guts to fire McNuggets who will never get to sb. Bills have the culture with Allen and his play calling woulda beat kc today. Far as how he does with bears I think the most important thing is just being genuine, guys respect that regardless your personality long as you real. Probably don’t matter much how he came off in these early talks long as he keeps it real inside locker room with his players. Pretty sure most ppl
Thought Campbell was a joke after his 1st presser and that turned out pretty well. Long as he puts the right staff together and fixes the oline which most good offensive coaches do a good job of he had plenty of talent to succeed in Chicago. I think passing on Washington job was a lot about everyone in Detroit wanted to come back this year and win a SB.
Reno and I have floated quite a few teams he'd be great at if he was patient but apparently he wanted to stay in the Midwest and he's got 13-15 million reasons a year why. Pretty wild when he's never coached a game yet
Part of that Saints/Payton pipeline Dan Campbell gets his guys from too. Benedict Johnson.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
If I was taking a job this season it would have been bears, the front office makes me a little nervous but think he has the qb and talent around him, a solid d, really 2 things and think he will have success, hire a smart experienced staff and fix the oline, I don’t think it needed to be a Vrabel type or his former boss, long as he is real and he gets Caleb right the team will follow him, think celeb liked the idea of a smart offensive guy that might be lower key over the Rah rah type. even tho I do think this the best set up roster of all the openings (pats could be close if their qb turns out right, they have lot of cap space to fix the skill spots quick and I might not been biggest Maye fan out of college he certainly more talented than that scrub tannenhill and Vrabel got damn good results w him!). @Brewers888 called it disloyalty I call it guts to stay in that division which quickly looking like one of if not best in football. He creates a top 10 offense in Chicago and helps Caleb develop into a all pro he be a legend in Chicago like the cubs who broke the curse seeing how bears ain’t had a legit qb or offense in our lifetimes! Whether it works who knows but I think this was absolutely the right hire for beard who hasn’t hired a good coach or one I thought was a good hire since lovie smith.
rambler882
Head of the Ben Johnson Fan Club
I view bad organization with someone like a Daniel Snyder. They are not a toxic organization. If we judge “good organization” based on wins, losses consistently there are what maybe 5 in league?
rambler882
Head of the Ben Johnson Fan Club
Yes talent matters but bad coaching, coordinators sink teams. Cough, Bears.
rambler882
Head of the Ben Johnson Fan Club
Not Waldron
Helluva payday, no doubt.
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
Who is not taking that. And never being a HC?!
What’s he gonna do right?!
