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Bowl Games Discussion Thread (NOT CFP or New Year's Six)
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2daBank
Voice of Reason
Other than just maybe browsing and getting a general idea diesht seem like it makes much such ti try and get out ahead any numbers these days, unless you have a real good idea a team gonna be missing lot of guys and line gonna move. Shit ain’t like it used to be where I’d want to grab early numbers cause I thought there was value, you do that now days and ya get stuck with a line moving a td the wrong way! Lol
satnightfever05
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Really missed the 6-6.5 with Missouri. Down to 3.5 now
brewers888
Chicken Little
Cristobal is getting paid 8 million to play in a bowl game vs Rutgers.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Have to keep an eye on transfers and opt outs as well as coaching changes. These are the last games for awhile so I'll be interested even if the product isn't very good.
bones
We Must Protect Our Democracy
Bowl games have lost almost all their luster and appeal for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread - with players opting out and transferring it becomes a chore to wager rather than an enjoyable endeavor. Minor league pro football with free agency is not a good prduct
Dollaz
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So ODU/Western Kentucky:
3 of the 5 starting OL have entered the portal for Western Kentucky. One of the backup QBs as well. I've heard rumors that their starting QB will enter the portal as well.
ODU will be down a few as well, but the impact seems much less severe. They lost their best safety to the portal. The All american LB is injured and wont play. They lost a WR that lost his spot but was around 3rd in production this year. The rest are guys that did not play.
Im not hearing a ton of more losses for ODU yet, but I expect this line to move in ODUs favor.
3 of the 5 starting OL have entered the portal for Western Kentucky. One of the backup QBs as well. I've heard rumors that their starting QB will enter the portal as well.
ODU will be down a few as well, but the impact seems much less severe. They lost their best safety to the portal. The All american LB is injured and wont play. They lost a WR that lost his spot but was around 3rd in production this year. The rest are guys that did not play.
Im not hearing a ton of more losses for ODU yet, but I expect this line to move in ODUs favor.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
I was going to say - he's like their entire offense
Dollaz
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Yeah. I think they are in trouble either way, but not having their QB would be a game changer.
CPA-hole
Good night, Duke, and sweet dreams!
Also liked the fact they went ahead and changed two bowls after they were already announced. Duke/UCF was announced and I laughed because it was a rematch from last year's bowl season.
2 hours later they realized hey wait we don't want a rematch from last year, so the flipped Duke and Georgia Tech.
2 hours later they realized hey wait we don't want a rematch from last year, so the flipped Duke and Georgia Tech.
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
I'll be playing that one under.
Canes1
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McMurphy tweeted this:
There are 39 non-playoff bowls. Only 13 bowls did not have a team lose either its head coach, OC/DC, or starting QB to transfer portal, opt out or injury. 13 of 39!!! And I'm sure that number will decrease in the coming days when more opt outs are announced
There are 39 non-playoff bowls. Only 13 bowls did not have a team lose either its head coach, OC/DC, or starting QB to transfer portal, opt out or injury. 13 of 39!!! And I'm sure that number will decrease in the coming days when more opt outs are announced
bookieassassin
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I think it was 'official' last year as well ......... cost me $
Two Utes
Manual Toothbrushes FTW
Both of Utah's starting safeties have declared for the draft and one corner(their weakest one) has entered the portal. Barnes has entered the portal as well but he will likely start the Vegas bowl.
I know very little about who will be in the secondary. Proceed with caution if you were contemplating Utah in this one.
I know very little about who will be in the secondary. Proceed with caution if you were contemplating Utah in this one.
satnightfever05
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As of now Reed is playing but all 5? Of WKUs starting OL are in the portal? Last year- same thing happened and they all either came back or played in the bowl. Will see what happens this year
DaRaiders
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Best active coaches against the spread in bowl games since 2005:
Dabo Swinney 12-7 ATS
Mike Gundy 11-6
Kirk Ferentz 9-5-1 ATS
Hugh Freeze 7-1 ATS
James Franklin 7-4 ATS
Kirby Smart 6-3 ATS
Butch Jones 5-1 ATS
Greg Schiano 5-1-1 ATS
Chuck Martin 4-0 ATS
Data per @Bet_Labs
Dabo Swinney 12-7 ATS
Mike Gundy 11-6
Kirk Ferentz 9-5-1 ATS
Hugh Freeze 7-1 ATS
James Franklin 7-4 ATS
Kirby Smart 6-3 ATS
Butch Jones 5-1 ATS
Greg Schiano 5-1-1 ATS
Chuck Martin 4-0 ATS
Data per @Bet_Labs
Dollaz
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Reports are coming out that Reed is not playing
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
How was NM State able to pull off a 13-game regular season schedule? Why was playing Hawaii significant to such?
I'm probably missing something on this.
I'm probably missing something on this.
CPA-hole
Good night, Duke, and sweet dreams!
If you play at Hawaii you can schedule a 13th game to help offset the expense of traveling to Hawaii.
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
Thanks.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
He is their entire offense. He lit it up last year. Doubt they have anyone close to as effective. What they do have is an awful defense.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Is Reed out? I see everything saying likely out. He's worth several points may need to wait until coverage begins...
ODU has good motivation for this one?
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KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
I just have a hard time seeing ODU beating anyone regardless of name on the jersey by a touchdown since they haven't done it all season. Not even sure I can wager on it unless it's live. Reed is out but I think a lot of QBs can step in and play in their system.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Reed the QB is their best player... he's worth a TD.
Dollaz
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Glad I got in on this early when the reports initially came out. WKY is out Reed, the backup QB, 3 interior OL and 3 defenders.
Do they have motivation? Probably no more than other teams. Only a handful of players have been to a bowl on the team so maybe thats motivation. They are missing 2 key defenders (Henderson, Jones) but the backups are competent. They are missing a rotation WR. I think Calloway is playing (big, if so). They dont' have much that is in the portal so Im not concerned with being out a bunch of guys like WKY is.
They haven't beaten anyone by a TD. Valid comment. I may not be on it as strong at -7 as I am when it was +2.5. Heck, I really like -3 if thats where people get in at.
They are not a great team and they are going to look ugly at times. Having said that, the Sun Belt is pretty tough. They had a good OOC schedule with Liberty, VT, Wake, and Tx Commerce.
The outlier game was Tx Commerce, which they should have blown out. They got blown out by Liberty. The other games were solid teams and competitive games. Cant really expect them to win by double digits vs. anyone on their schedule outside of Commerce.
Best of luck to anyone that is playing it. I like ODU a good bit here. They have continuity. They compete. I don't think they will go through the motions. They don't have significant talent in the portal outside of 1 guy.
Do they have motivation? Probably no more than other teams. Only a handful of players have been to a bowl on the team so maybe thats motivation. They are missing 2 key defenders (Henderson, Jones) but the backups are competent. They are missing a rotation WR. I think Calloway is playing (big, if so). They dont' have much that is in the portal so Im not concerned with being out a bunch of guys like WKY is.
They haven't beaten anyone by a TD. Valid comment. I may not be on it as strong at -7 as I am when it was +2.5. Heck, I really like -3 if thats where people get in at.
They are not a great team and they are going to look ugly at times. Having said that, the Sun Belt is pretty tough. They had a good OOC schedule with Liberty, VT, Wake, and Tx Commerce.
The outlier game was Tx Commerce, which they should have blown out. They got blown out by Liberty. The other games were solid teams and competitive games. Cant really expect them to win by double digits vs. anyone on their schedule outside of Commerce.
Best of luck to anyone that is playing it. I like ODU a good bit here. They have continuity. They compete. I don't think they will go through the motions. They don't have significant talent in the portal outside of 1 guy.
Dollaz
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I read that Reed and the backup QB are out
Dollaz
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The weather was supposed to be bad but the forecast has improved. I kinda like the over, but probably feel better about ODU TT over
Dollaz
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ODU didn't collapse after a decent start. They won the last 2 games to get bowl eligible. They did have a 3 game losing streak before that, but that was @Liberty, @JMU, and home to Coastal.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Weird movement all around
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
It's been the worst line to read in the last month for me. Guessing it won't be the last as more opt outs and likely suspensions come in but yak at this one. Think I might just wait for a slow start hopefully then take over if anything.
wiseplayer
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Exactly regarding the Mike White era. Entertaining football program.
wiseplayer
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Live ingame is the only way to bet this game. Way too many unknowns regarding guys in the portal playing or not.
Dollaz
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I added over.
I looked at ODUs scores and considered that WKY is one of the weaker defenses they have faced.
VT- 17 points
Louisiana - 38
Wake- 24 (defense carried them here)
Commerce 10 (windy game, starter pulled)
Marshall- 35
Southern Miss- 17
App State- 28
JMU- 27
Coastal- 24
Liberty- 10
Georgia Southern-20
Georgia State- 25
My concern is that WKY may go to a conservative game plan and slow the game down. WKY defense gives up 428 yards a game on 5.8 ypa. They give up almost 4.8 ypc on the ground. If they cannot stop the ODU run game, they are in for a long day as ODU will gash them with big plays on the ground and catch them with some deep passes. Their pass defense is a bit better.
The biggest concern I have for the ODU offense is a defense that has pass rushers and teams that can stop the run with their base 6 defenders in the box, allowing them to have 5 players in coverage and a safety shading one side. IF WKY can do that, ODU wont score much. Im banking on them having to put more players in the box to stop the run and ODU is gonna hit a couple deep plays through the air.
Best of luck to all!
I looked at ODUs scores and considered that WKY is one of the weaker defenses they have faced.
VT- 17 points
Louisiana - 38
Wake- 24 (defense carried them here)
Commerce 10 (windy game, starter pulled)
Marshall- 35
Southern Miss- 17
App State- 28
JMU- 27
Coastal- 24
Liberty- 10
Georgia Southern-20
Georgia State- 25
My concern is that WKY may go to a conservative game plan and slow the game down. WKY defense gives up 428 yards a game on 5.8 ypa. They give up almost 4.8 ypc on the ground. If they cannot stop the ODU run game, they are in for a long day as ODU will gash them with big plays on the ground and catch them with some deep passes. Their pass defense is a bit better.
The biggest concern I have for the ODU offense is a defense that has pass rushers and teams that can stop the run with their base 6 defenders in the box, allowing them to have 5 players in coverage and a safety shading one side. IF WKY can do that, ODU wont score much. Im banking on them having to put more players in the box to stop the run and ODU is gonna hit a couple deep plays through the air.
Best of luck to all!
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
UTSA placing some real importance on the game tonight including Harris last game. Marshall is not good. Weather is a non-factor. Feels too easy.
KSAT:
The last time UTSA and Marshall faced off was as Conference USA rivals in 2018, when the Thundering Herd handed the Roadrunners a 23-0 shutout loss. The following season, the Frank Harris era began.
UTSA finished the 2018 season with a 3-9 overall record.
But since then, the Roadrunners have pieced together four winning seasons, with the exception of 2019. This year, UTSA is trying to accomplish something it hasn’t before, finishing their year with a bowl game victory.
“It’s important for us,” UTSA Head Football Coach Jeff Traylor said. “There’s only a few things left in this program that we haven’t done and this is one of those things we haven’t done. So for us it takes on a level of importance that’s probably more than most programs.”
KSAT:
The last time UTSA and Marshall faced off was as Conference USA rivals in 2018, when the Thundering Herd handed the Roadrunners a 23-0 shutout loss. The following season, the Frank Harris era began.
UTSA finished the 2018 season with a 3-9 overall record.
But since then, the Roadrunners have pieced together four winning seasons, with the exception of 2019. This year, UTSA is trying to accomplish something it hasn’t before, finishing their year with a bowl game victory.
“It’s important for us,” UTSA Head Football Coach Jeff Traylor said. “There’s only a few things left in this program that we haven’t done and this is one of those things we haven’t done. So for us it takes on a level of importance that’s probably more than most programs.”
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