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Week 2 What Are We Learning
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jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
If the first read is open why would you need to progress through the reads? It’s working, why in the world would they not keep doing it?
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
If half the league isn't doing this by mid-season I'll be disappointed. Then again how many teams are really doing the push-sneak? A handful?
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
Yep. They definitely do. Just not sure they’ll be able to continue getting away with that?
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
It’s definitely working so far. Just don’t know how sustainable it is? Then again, with the WRs they have, maybe it is
jedi ninja
Larry the liberal
I guess if it becomes unsustainable then we can see if Tua has the ability to progress through his reads.
I think my point is that it’s tough to knock Tua for not progressing through his reads when he essentially hasn’t needed to up to this point.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Hard to say. Hoping Tua can last a full season so we can actually find out.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
If he attempted the fg with even 10 seconds left and they had time for the onside kick + Hail Mary I wouldn’t disagree or even brought it up, wouldn’t have had any problem kicking the fg 1st to set up that chance. However he kicked the fg as the clock expired which to me is much different.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
Reminder of how the Dolphins season played out last year. Phins started 3-0 with Tua throwing 6 TDs against Baltimore in week 2. In week 3 he got the first concussion vs Buffalo but they held on to win. Then he got the second one against Cincy week 4 and the Dolphins lost. With backups in the lineup they lost weeks 5 and 6. Then Tua returned and the ripped off five straight wins against non-playoff teams.
Weeks 12-14 they went on the road to the Niners, Chargers and Bills. Phins went 0-3 and Tua didn't complete more than 57% of his throws in any game. They also lost Week 15 at home to the Packers and Week 16 at New England before squeaking out an 11-6 win against the Jets to sneak into playoffs.
So to answer the question from @skanless13 about how long Tua can keep this up, it appears to be until they run into a well-coached defense that can expose them. I see several opportunities on their schedule:
1) at Buffalo Week 4,
2) at Philly Week 7,
3) at KC Week 9,
4) at Jets Week 12,
5) vs. Dallas Week 16.
I'll go with Week 4 or Week 12. The Eagles could dominate the LOS but that's not as easy to repeat as a good coverage scheme.
Weeks 12-14 they went on the road to the Niners, Chargers and Bills. Phins went 0-3 and Tua didn't complete more than 57% of his throws in any game. They also lost Week 15 at home to the Packers and Week 16 at New England before squeaking out an 11-6 win against the Jets to sneak into playoffs.
So to answer the question from @skanless13 about how long Tua can keep this up, it appears to be until they run into a well-coached defense that can expose them. I see several opportunities on their schedule:
1) at Buffalo Week 4,
2) at Philly Week 7,
3) at KC Week 9,
4) at Jets Week 12,
5) vs. Dallas Week 16.
I'll go with Week 4 or Week 12. The Eagles could dominate the LOS but that's not as easy to repeat as a good coverage scheme.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Luckily I have known this and been preaching it for years, unfortunately I thought that maybe kellen Moore as oc would help the chargers but the same fact still remains. As long as Staley is the HC that team with more than enough talent will never reach their potential! Guy comes from defensive side and they have brought in more than enough defensive talent yet the titans garbage offense is scoring 27 on you? Tannenhill going 20-24 and hitting you in the head with bombs? I know the chargers are known for being cheap but good god, you gotta fire this clown!
Far as kellen Moore possibly being a upgrade for them I’m not sure anymore cause im watching mike McCarthy calling plays in Dallas, all a sudden Dak no longer a turnover machine and they looking fantastic against a defense that had totally shut down the bills and will give many other offenses problems!!
Sticking with the nfc east, I said this after preseason and I’ll say again, Washington is gonna get themselves into plenty of shootouts this year!! I’m convinced Sam Howell can absolutely play qb in this league, they have nice weapons, and just maybe someone should have given Bienemy more credit in kc cause I like this offense more than any Riverboat Ron offense I can recall! Second part to that equation is if you can block the Commanders front then you can absolutely roast that secondary! They got dudes in the front 7 but that secondary is awful!!!
I didn’t think Russ was washed, I still dunno if washed is the right word but Jfc I just don’t understand what he doing half the time? How you take a sack and force your coach to burn a timeout your team needed to get ball back?!?!! That play was just a snap shot of what he does far too often, he can’t read a damn d so when 1st read isn’t there he starts tryin to buy time and runs himself into sacks! Coach Peyton has to be pulling his hair out! Russ playing like Justin fieids without the burst or running ability fields has! Dude been in the league how long and looks like a kid ppl hope can figure things out! He can still throw a great deep ball, he can still get a 1st down if a seam presents itself, but he can’t do that shit in the backfield and elude defenders as he holds ball way too long! It’s never gonna work if he is incapable of quickly going thru progressions and it apparent he was simply able to mask his lack of ability in the past. The offense looks pretty good on script when Peyton drawing stuff up where the 1st read is open, once that part the game is over they fall apart, how much can coach Peyton take?
Far as kellen Moore possibly being a upgrade for them I’m not sure anymore cause im watching mike McCarthy calling plays in Dallas, all a sudden Dak no longer a turnover machine and they looking fantastic against a defense that had totally shut down the bills and will give many other offenses problems!!
Sticking with the nfc east, I said this after preseason and I’ll say again, Washington is gonna get themselves into plenty of shootouts this year!! I’m convinced Sam Howell can absolutely play qb in this league, they have nice weapons, and just maybe someone should have given Bienemy more credit in kc cause I like this offense more than any Riverboat Ron offense I can recall! Second part to that equation is if you can block the Commanders front then you can absolutely roast that secondary! They got dudes in the front 7 but that secondary is awful!!!
I didn’t think Russ was washed, I still dunno if washed is the right word but Jfc I just don’t understand what he doing half the time? How you take a sack and force your coach to burn a timeout your team needed to get ball back?!?!! That play was just a snap shot of what he does far too often, he can’t read a damn d so when 1st read isn’t there he starts tryin to buy time and runs himself into sacks! Coach Peyton has to be pulling his hair out! Russ playing like Justin fieids without the burst or running ability fields has! Dude been in the league how long and looks like a kid ppl hope can figure things out! He can still throw a great deep ball, he can still get a 1st down if a seam presents itself, but he can’t do that shit in the backfield and elude defenders as he holds ball way too long! It’s never gonna work if he is incapable of quickly going thru progressions and it apparent he was simply able to mask his lack of ability in the past. The offense looks pretty good on script when Peyton drawing stuff up where the 1st read is open, once that part the game is over they fall apart, how much can coach Peyton take?
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
Yeah. I didn’t actually mean it as a knock. I meant it more of as an observation and potential future concern. I’m actually rooting for him
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
Yep. Good point
2daBank
Voice of Reason
He has the right coach! I spend half my time watching some these games thinking “what if Joe burrow had a coach who could scheme offense like that?”!!! Just imagine he gets all those scripted easy throws early in games, then after halftime if you are down you can just put him shotgun and let him do his thing. How dangerous would that be? Instead his coach can’t draw up a play to get a guy open to save his damn life! The only time cincy offense moves the ball is when burrow and his wrs make great individual plays!
skanless13
Fly, Eagles, Fly!
Yeah. Especially with all that talent in Cincy.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Im not basing this off the start, said it in preseason, Joe cool should not have signed that contract! I understand the way it works in nfl he kinda had to, if not they could still hold him hostage for a few years while he continues to get more and more beat up, so I get it but a real problem brewing for him in cincy! He and those weapons masking a lot of issues, the coach for one is garbage, the franchise as a whole never been well run! His line already suspect, they lost a lot of defensive players after last season, eventually he gonna start losing weapons and then what? Plus it don’t look like he totally healthy yet, he will continue getting hit cause his coach can’t scheme offense, and he has had a bunch of injuries already!!
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
We're only two weeks in mate
Not really anything to read into any of it yet other than we're on path to get Caleb
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
So if Stafford throws a TD as time expires it’s more acceptable?
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Man I haven't watched a second of Chargers football
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Teams are always gonna try and get a td even when games over, guys like stats. Yes I find it totally different, if Stafford throws a td it a shitty break if ya happened to lay the points (which I didn’t do so had nothing to do with selfishly feeling wronged), if he kicks fg as time expires you there is obviously a motive.
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Me either outside highlights. I don’t have to, the same things going on that have since he got there. Although it does appear maybe he possibly abandoned the philosophy that teams gashing them in the run game is a good thing. Now they making tannehill look like a all world qb? Whether it different or not it still the same issue. They are cheap so hired a guy who had like a year of DC experience on a team that had a very good defense before he took over, he clearly was a bad hire but again the cheapness preventing them from fixing the problem. Man I so wanted for Herbert for them to open up the wallet, fire this clown and brought in Peyton. Instead they continue to lose and Peyton got stuck w Russ Wilson who can’t read a defense!! Bummer for everyone!
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Brewers888
Potential 2028 V.P. Selection
The Jets defense looked anything but well coached yesterday.
Brewers888
Potential 2028 V.P. Selection
It shows you just how great Burrow is that he can overcome that coaching staff.
Brewers888
Potential 2028 V.P. Selection
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Im really worried for him, now that he got the bag he gonna start losing pieces and still gonna be stuck w this clown. I totally whiffed on burrow, I didn’t think any chance he be able to accomplish what he has dragging this franchise into b2b afc championship games and a SB, just afraid he has taken them as far he can. Now thru life his contract some years he will get them in playoffs, some years they won’t make it, but they never going back to SB with this coach and front office imo. Then there the fact the play calling and/or Oline get him hit as much as any qb in the league and the injuries piling up! He deserves better!
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Brewers888
Potential 2028 V.P. Selection
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Oh it gets traded and we still get Harrison
Brewers888
Potential 2028 V.P. Selection
2daBank
Voice of Reason
Man, I’m having a hell of a time. My eyes have gotten increasingly worse to the point I now need reeding glasses to see up close w contacts in, or bifocal glasses. Anyways they gave me trial pair of contacts till mine came that not as strong but good enough, they had to give me another trial cause it been over a month and still havnt gotten my left eye! I guess had to be made and they keep pushing back the date!
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
This has been driving me crazy.
I'll look at our platform provider and see if I can change anything.
I did my own test too -- if you are not logged into Xwitter, then you'll automatically have the link show up funky.
Brewers888
Potential 2028 V.P. Selection
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
I'm on the right eye long distance and left eye short plan
I actually asked the bitch if it would affect my putting and she said it shouldn't. Chinese so I trust her but it could go South fast.
wiseplayer
Pretty much a regular
As a Rams fan I wanted Stafford off the field at that point. He throws a meaningless pass at the end and gets hurt people would questioning this stupidity. If the spread wasn’t involved here the fg attempt wouldn’t even be mentioned.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
Thank God we don't face relegation
Frank Costanza
Co-Inventor of the Man's Bra
That, I don't understand. It obviously helps that Hurts is a powerlifter with leg strength and power like no other QB, but still.
Coverdatspred
Curious About George Costanza‘s Modeling Career
Hoodie and company just gave the league a blueprint to slowing down the Dolphins offense. I think you see the same look on defense moving forward with that team. The Pats could not come up with enough on offense to pull it off but they certainly slowed down that offense enough.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
They are a Tua knock away from being irrelevant.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
With the exception of not having an answer for CD Lamb, I'd have to strongly disagree.
Dak throwing to anyone other than Lamb - 4.5 YPA is excellent
Pollard rushing - 2.9 YPC on 25 runs is excellent
Only 2 TDs in 6 trips to the redzone is a good stat
They were on the field for 42 minutes and 83 plays yet Dallas didn't reach 400 yards of offense. That's some serious battling they did.
The Jets offense was under siege. They gained 4.7 yards per play. The Cowboys gained 4.6 per play.
The Jets D lost by attrition. But on a play-by-play basis they played well. I'd bet the DVOA reflects that this week.
Brewers888
Potential 2028 V.P. Selection
They were fine in the red zone but bad otherwise. Lamb is great no doubt but maybe having Sauce cover him all day would have had a better result.
Brewers888
Potential 2028 V.P. Selection
One other thing about the Jets; I don't blame them for the Rodgers injury but he was going to get hurt at some point with that trash offensive line. Maybe I'm crazy but trading for a 39 yr old QB and not getting him any protection was a serious mistake.
