Week 14 Discussion

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<TABLE id=gridtable><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%" colSpan=17>NFL Football - 12/1/2008</TD></TR><TR id=e146759 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e146759', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/1
8:35P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>413 Jacksonville Jaguars
414 Houston Texans


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>40949


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>45%
55%


</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>48%
52%


</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>52%
48%


</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>55%
45%


</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>48 -105
-3.5-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>48o-107
-3-111


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>48 -110
-3-115


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>48 -110
-3-115


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>48 -110
-3-115


</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>48o-105u+102
-3-111/+108


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>48 -110
-3-115


</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>48 -110
-3-115


</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>48 -110
-3-115


</TD></TR><TR><TD width="100%" colSpan=17>NFL Football - 12/4/2008</TD></TR><TR id=e147793 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e2e2e2" onclick="testHit('e147793', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/4
8:15P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>103 Oakland Raiders
104 San Diego Chargers


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>0


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
n/a


</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>43 -105
-10-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>43.5 -105
-10+103


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>43.5 -110
-10-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>43 -110
-9.5-115


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>43.5u-106o-105
-10+102/-112


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>43 -110
-11+110


</TD></TR><TR><TD width="100%" colSpan=17>NFL Football - 12/7/2008</TD></TR><TR id=e147850 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e147850', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
1:00P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>143 Minnesota Vikings
144 Detroit Lions


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>0


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD></TR><TR id=e147856 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e2e2e2" onclick="testHit('e147856', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
1:00P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>147 Philadelphia Eagles
148 New York Giants


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>531


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>82%
18%


</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>44.5 -105
-9+102


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>45u-112
-9+113


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>44.5 -110
-8-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>44.5 -110
-9+100


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>44.5 -107 -107
-9+113/-122


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>44.5 -110
-9+110


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<TABLE id=gridtable><TBODY><TR class=HeadOrangeTop id=header><TD id=info_header width=40>


</TD><TD id=score_header width=50>



</TD><TD id=team_header width=135>


</TD><TD id=bets_header width=45>


</TD><TD id=mlpct_header style="PADDING-RIGHT: 16px; PADDING-LEFT: 16px; WIDTH: 160px" colSpan=4>Market


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=60>Open


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=60>


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=60>


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=60>


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=60>


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=85>


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=60>


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=60>


</TD><TD class=linebox_header width=60>


</TD></TR><TR class=HeadOrange id=header><TD id=info_header width=40>Info


</TD><TD id=score_header width=50>Time


</TD><TD id=team_header width=135>Team


</TD><TD id=bets_header width=45># Bets


</TD><TD id=spreadpct_header width=40>Spread


</TD><TD id=mlpct_header width=40>ML


</TD><TD id=parlaypct_header width=40>Parlay


</TD><TD id=oupct_header width=40>OU


</TD><TD width=60>Pinnacle


</TD><TD class=linebox_header id=sbh2 ondblclick=HighlightColumn(this,2); width=60>Pinnacle


</TD><TD class=linebox_header id=sbh9 ondblclick=HighlightColumn(this,9); width=60>CRIS


</TD><TD class=linebox_header id=sbh18 ondblclick=HighlightColumn(this,18); width=60>Olympic


</TD><TD class=linebox_header id=sbh13 ondblclick=HighlightColumn(this,13); width=60>BetUS


</TD><TD class=linebox_header id=sbh21 ondblclick=HighlightColumn(this,21); width=85>Matchbook


</TD><TD class=linebox_header id=sbh12 ondblclick=HighlightColumn(this,12); width=60>SIA


</TD><TD class=linebox_header id=sbh20 ondblclick=HighlightColumn(this,20); width=60>Bodog


</TD><TD class=linebox_header id=sbh6 ondblclick=HighlightColumn(this,6); width=60>5Dimes


</TD></TR><TR id=e147859 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e147859', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
1:00P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>149 Atlanta Falcons
150 New Orleans Saints


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>95


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
n/a


</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>53 -105
-3.5-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>53u-110
-3-112


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>53 -110
-3-120


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>53 -110
-3.5+105


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>53u-112o-102
-3.5+106/-124


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>53 -110
-3-115


</TD></TR><TR id=e147847 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e2e2e2" onclick="testHit('e147847', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
1:00P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>141 Cleveland Browns
142 Tennessee Titans


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>254


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>60%
40%


</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
n/a


</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>36.5o-108
-14-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>37 -105
-13.5-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>37 -110
-13.5-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>37o-115
-13.5-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>37-107-107
-14-110/-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>37 -110
-15+110


</TD></TR><TR id=e147841 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e147841', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
1:00P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>137 Jacksonville Jaguars
138 Chicago Bears


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>0


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>



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</TD></TR><TR id=e147838 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e2e2e2" onclick="testHit('e147838', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
1:00P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>135 Cincinnati Bengals
136 Indianapolis Colts


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>135


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>50%
50%


</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
n/a


</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>42.5o-108
-14-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>42.5 -105
-13.5-101


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>42.5 -110
-13.5-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>42.5 -110
-13.5-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>42.5-107-107
-14+107/-119


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>42.5 -110
-15+110


</TD></TR><TR id=e147844 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e147844', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
1:00P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>139 Houston Texans
140 Green Bay Packers


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>0


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>



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</TD></TR><TR id=e147868 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e2e2e2" onclick="testHit('e147868', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
4:05P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>155 Kansas City Chiefs
156 Denver Broncos


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>293


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>83%
17%


</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=parlaypct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>47.5u-109
-9.5-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>47 -105
-9.5+104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>47 -110
-9-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>47 -110
-9-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>47.5u-114o+101
-9.5+103/-114


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>47 -110
-10+105


</TD></TR><TR id=e147877 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e147877', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
4:05P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>161 New England Patriots
162 Seattle Seahawks


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>135


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>-4.5-104
43.5 -105


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>-4-112
43u-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>-4.5-110
43 -110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>-4.5-110
43 -110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>-4.5-110/-110
43u-110o+100


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>-4.5-110
43 -110


</TD></TR><TR id=e147865 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e2e2e2" onclick="testHit('e147865', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
4:05P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>153 Miami Dolphins
154 Buffalo Bills


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>0


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>42 -105
-1-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>43u-112
-1-103


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>42.5 -110
-1-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>43 -110
-1.5-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>43u-112o+102
-1-110/-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>42.5 -110
0.0-120


</TD></TR><TR id=e147862 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e147862', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
4:05P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>151 New York Jets
152 San Francisco 49ers


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>135


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD id=oupct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>-3.5-104
44.5 -105


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>-4-102
45u-113


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>-4-110
44.5 -110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>-4-110
44.5 -110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>-4-103/-107
44.5u-110o-107


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb20_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>-4-110
44.5 -110


</TD></TR><TR id=e147874 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e2e2e2" onclick="testHit('e147874', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
4:15P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>159 Dallas Cowboys
160 Pittsburgh Steelers


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>887


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>90%
10%


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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>41.5 -105
-3-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>41.5u-112
-3-108


</TD><TD class=open id=sb9_0 width=60>41.5 -110
-3-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb18_0 width=60>41.5 -110
-3-110


</TD><TD class=open id=sb13_0 width=60>



</TD><TD class=open id=sb21_0 width=85>41.5u-112o+101
-3-107/+100


</TD><TD class=open id=sb12_0 width=60>



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</TD><TD class=open id=sb6_0 width=60>41 -110
-3-115


</TD></TR><TR id=e147871 ondblclick=highlightRow(this) style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onclick="testHit('e147871', event)"><TD id=info style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" width=40>


</TD><TD id=score width=50>12/7
4:15P


</TD><TD id=team width=135>157 St. Louis Rams
158 Arizona Cardinals


</TD><TD id=bets width=45>135


</TD><TD id=spreadpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>50%
50%


</TD><TD id=mlpct style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccff66" width=40>n/a
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</TD><TD class=linebox style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #faf39e" width=60>48.5 -105
-13.5-104


</TD><TD class=open id=sb2_0 width=60>49u-112
-13.5-104


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GL ALL !:cheers:

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

the mad scientist is at work I love this guy


NUT can you please try to stop me from going ALL IN and TRIPLE ALL IN on the ravens over the SKINS??

Jason campbell vs a moving fast good defense??

this year he scored 10 vs dallas, 7 vs pitts, not many today vs giants--
game 1 vs giants got shut down--

this man blows as a QB- he will be rattled and i look for ravens to make campbell soup out of him.

 

[Joe Public]

That's one of those totals I'm not so sure they can set low enough, Sammy.

Portis is banged up. No real reason to think Washington moves the ball. Then there's Joe Flacco on the other side against a defense that should know they're going to have to have a huge game to keep the Skins in it.

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

You want the easiest winner of your life in that skins game??

Under first qtr 7 points-- Easy winner, at worst some one flukes off a TD and its 7--

there will be 3 possessions in 1st qtr-- both of these qb's will fuck up early, run run run---

at worst they drive down and settle for a 3---

only way we lose is pick 6 or kick return touchdown.

 

[SportsNut]

Of Interest to me :

Bengals +14 / Over 42.5 (buy 42 IMO):

People will want to give up on Cincy but they havent played bad they are simply outmanned at this point . Indy is banged up and at this point in the season why are they going to put the foot to the pedal here ? I think Cincy will be able to move the ball vs this defense . Also the PROP will there be a score in the last 2 minutes before HALF should be an aoutomatic play in Cincy games . Bengals always seem to get some points right befor half . Have to fig deeper but I know its the case...Colts even have DET on deck so with the postseason approaching I could see a coasting effort in this one . Indy had 5 road wins all by 3 or 4 points and they have 3 home wins only 1 blowout with a 3 pt win and 6 pt win . So they have just ONE win all season by more then 6 points .......Plus after the 2 home games they have 2 payback games with a trip to Jax who beat them athome 23-21 and they host Tenny in the last reg season game but that might not be a full strength game...

Saints -3 (buy to -2.5) :
Brees is 2 different QB's turnoverwise Home vs Away . Of course so are the Saints . Line is just way to short IMO should be at least -4.5 . with a 53 total always think UNDER .....Saints have had a tough schedule and they have hung tough in the road games funny they beat SD as well in London but come in much shorter then ATL @ SD in Week 13 . Which teh difference in the game was a safety , missed short FG and the 2 pt attempt that was missed which should have been an XP.....thats 6 points and they lost by 6 ....Difference in the 1st meeting was NO settled for FGs and the defense was allowing TDs..

Bills -1 no matter who QB's ...:
To me the Phins peaked already . The Wildcat formation isnt producing much , they lost Camarillo to injury . and most importantly turnovers have been an issue for the past month now. If you look at the Bills game they simply self destructed . Lindell had a crazy streak inside 40 yds and missed 2 Fgs today off the upright . Losman couldnt complete a 4th and 7 at the SF 7 in the 4th quarter . Defense has hung tough with injuries will only be better if they get Greer and Whitner back . Running game is back on track and Miami can be thrown on which is good for Lee Evans IMO .. Shorter trip for Buffalo as well . Miami goes from home to STL back to Miami then to Toronto.....

Cowboys +3 (buy to 3.5):
Dallas is the better team and just is playing complete football. Not sold on Pitt being consistent at all. Dont think the DALLAS DEF is far from what Pitt brings each week and well BOYS offense certainly is better . Weather will be interesting thoughbecause Romo has the broken pinky . let me tell you when its cold if you have any broken fingers you feel it !

Panthers -3 ( buy to -2.5 ) :

Hard to believe this is not a max bet . TB is slowly declining as they did enough to win at home vs NO where they have been very good and needed to come back from a 17-0 defecit at Det . Panthers will have momentum after this week and just dont see how they fail to win at home on MNF....TB lack of a running game will hurt them on the road ...

Not sure I can lay the number but ARIZONA off an embarrassing game in need of a win gets the Rams . With some extra rest this just seems to have blowout written all over it .If Zona gets a tad healthier on defense might roll with it or at least ARI 1st Half.....

tough ones ....

SD v Oak - So hard to trust either team ....Cant expect OAK to run the ball and w/o that where do the pts come from ????

Jets @ SF - Niners playing hard but bounce back spot for NY . Both teams with alot of travel does SF stay hungry ???

NE @ SEA - they also have a helluva long trip ...down to Miami , back home then out to Seattle ....how healthy will they be ??

Eagles @ NYG - Off extra rest and I hate to say it but how does Philly not look attractive . No one will believe in Philly but these teams are not seperated by much rather the difference of consistent execution .....

KC @ DEN - Denver does have some payback and should rack up a ton of yards but again health . Plus are they worthy of big chalk ?

Cle @ Tenny - Oh boy do I feel for Ken Dorsey ....

really interested to see what the Ravens line think -7.5 but any higher might be a play on WASH with two tough defenses going vs eachother ...:shake:

 

[SportsNut]

the mad scientist is at work I love this guy


NUT can you please try to stop me from going ALL IN and TRIPLE ALL IN on the ravens over the SKINS??

Jason campbell vs a moving fast good defense??

this year he scored 10 vs dallas, 7 vs pitts, not many today vs giants--
game 1 vs giants got shut down--

this man blows as a QB- he will be rattled and i look for ravens to make campbell soup out of him.

Real interested in this number cause I think they will make it to big . Just look how tough the Philly game was vs Balt and that spread was around -1.5 think we could see an 8 here which is to high . What you talkin about Willis did not play at RB today either ....The one thing in WASH favor is they dont commit many turnovers and they really lost that game when Suisham missed from 43 yards right before half to cut it to 13-10 after being down 13-0 ....

The Skins offense does blow but I would hate to lay alot of points with Balt . I think the best one could hope for is Balt -4.5 .....

:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

That's one of those totals I'm not so sure they can set low enough, Sammy.

Portis is banged up. No real reason to think Washington moves the ball. Then there's Joe Flacco on the other side against a defense that should know they're going to have to have a huge game to keep the Skins in it.

ravens sneaking out overs may help but would guess 36ish....Over FGs 3.5 prop anyone ....to bad both kickers could easily miss Over 3.5 FGs ....:shake:

 

[RetroVK]

The pats line is short. This is the kind of game that the patriots just don't lose. I hate making a statement early in the week that i might backtrack on after capping the whole game out but new england looks like a solid bet to me. Seattle defense just cannot defend this kind of offense and at 7-5 the pats need this game and the raider game the following week badly with zona and at buffalo to close the year if they want any chance at the playoffs. There is a chance seattle has mailed it in at this point. I havent checked injuries or looked into some other factors but at first glance that one jumps off the board to me. Of my 9 posted plays , only 3 have been on favorites so it takes a bit for me to like on in the nfl compared to cfb.

 

[SportsNut]

LVSC recommended :

Balt -5 / 36.5 :cheers:

 

[Joe Public]

Baltimore is never a team you want to lay a lot of points with unless the other side has zero offense to speak of. If they're the Raiders or the Bengals, maybe, but any team that has an offensive weapon it can get dicey. You need to rely on turnovers generally.

I know I'm an Eagle fan, but that -9 is jus too high. Again, maybe they'll cover it, but you're assuming they beat them by double digits? Man I've got trouble with that. This is the Eagles' season right here and basically the Giants will have home field if they go .500 the rest of the way, will they not? I know they want to beat Philly, but really, -9?

Like your leans everywhere else, SN. Want to like that total in Indy quite a bit, not sure if I do yet.

Looking at the total in Tenny, though. I think the Titans are good for high 20s and the Browns can get into double digits. I think they can get to 37.

 

[MusicCityGambler]

Lean Oakland- I don't see how SD beats anyone outside of Detroit or STL by 10 at the moment.

Titans -10 days to prepare at home. The Browns are about to be in full fledged 'We don't give a shit' mode. Titans won't forget some Browns saying they were better last year.


Other leans- Miami, Denver, Steelers

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

NUT ravens will be -3 watch--

 

[Joe Public]

Nice call on the 36, SN.

I agree with you, VK. This is one the Pats don't lose, but just like the Skins going west a couple of weeks ago, I want that number at a flat 3 or at 2.5. I don't want any of those goofy backdoor shenanagins.

 

[Joe Public]

Titans won't forget some Browns saying they were better last year.

That's a good point. Oh, and they were better, but that's not the point. This is a new year and they may pound the ever-loving p*ss out of my Browns to make a statement.

 

[SportsNut]

The pats line is short. This is the kind of game that the patriots just don't lose. I hate making a statement early in the week that i might backtrack on after capping the whole game out but new england looks like a solid bet to me. Seattle defense just cannot defend this kind of offense and at 7-5 the pats need this game and the raider game the following week badly with zona and at buffalo to close the year if they want any chance at the playoffs. There is a chance seattle has mailed it in at this point. I havent checked injuries or looked into some other factors but at first glance that one jumps off the board to me. Of my 9 posted plays , only 3 have been on favorites so it takes a bit for me to like on in the nfl compared to cfb.

Have to agree hard to imagine NE loses the game and line does look somewhat short but also think its what NE was @ SF when the Niners were real bad. Not sure where SEA stands but the have do have some extra time and as I mentioned NE had the rough travel schedule going to Miami then home for Pitt and now out to SEATTLE.

Dont like that Ty Warren missed today either . Welker was hurt and didnt return but is thought to be okay . Though also lost James Sanders at safety so he is uncertain.

I dont think they lose either BUT realy could see another Indy @ CLE type game where most lose a close one . Might be worth looking into a ML parlay with 2 teams . Seattle did have 287 yds passing and maybe the passing game will continue to improve as the WRs get healthy . Also Maurice Morris clearly the better back and if he starts the offense should do better . SEA was okay in the 2 games @ home vs Zona and Wash especially the defense which could be most helpful.

Would be cautious here but maybe that lopsided final score played into this some . You are correct though NE really needs these WINS away but should be able to win all 4 with ZOna at home on deck at 1 PM in probably cold weather and they own Buffalo but its still a road game .....:shake:

Just the usual contrarian opinion arguement certainly no decision by me here ..

 

[MusicCityGambler]

Titans won't forget some Browns saying they were better last year.

That's a good point. Oh, and they were better, but that's not the point. This is a new year and they may pound the ever-loving p*ss out of my Browns to make a statement.

Cleveland's spot next week is about as bad a spot as I've seen a team in this season. I'll be shocked if the Browns score more than 10.

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

The pats line is short. This is the kind of game that the patriots just don't lose. I hate making a statement early in the week that i might backtrack on after capping the whole game out but new england looks like a solid bet to me. Seattle defense just cannot defend this kind of offense and at 7-5 the pats need this game and the raider game the following week badly with zona and at buffalo to close the year if they want any chance at the playoffs. There is a chance seattle has mailed it in at this point. I havent checked injuries or looked into some other factors but at first glance that one jumps off the board to me. Of my 9 posted plays , only 3 have been on favorites so it takes a bit for me to like on in the nfl compared to cfb.

I know Seattle very well----

Seattle is still trying so they say anyway-- they have no run game anymore---

Seattle D cannot stop bigger physical receivers ie game vs ZONA and dallas---
THe thing about Seattle is Hasselhoff is not in sync with receivers at all- ALso he is so easy to sack- Can PATS get any sacks and do they blitz Hasselhoff a lot---

Seattle has some major issues and here is why they LOSE--

THEY HAVE NO PASS RUSH AT ALL- you see the Dallas game they were forced to blitz all day long--
-THe Db's are quick but get outmuscled and boxed out on passes--

-Julius JONES IMO should be in the CFL- last week a big revenge spot for him playing vs dallas he did nothing and fumbled and was benched.

-Bobby Engram was a possession receiver 4 years ago can he be the # 1 guy at his age--
-Deon BRANCH is a joke- he sucks shit- he was made by TOM Brady--

THe seattle oline is not good now- If the quick slant or quick read is not there HAsselhoff turtles meaning he ducks his head and just gets run over by defensive players--

Seattle 100000000000000% has no more home field advantage anymore--

They really are shit all around--- I mean think about it if SOFTIES ZONA could go in there and baet them easily the PATS can do the same--

But make sure Welker is playing---

Hasselhoff is done as a good QB in this leauge, he is way too small and his west coast bullshit slants are a joke and dont work anymore.

Seattle lost to GBAY by 10, ZONA and washington all at home-- Pats are better than all 3 of those teams IMo--

 

[MusicCityGambler]

Nut- I don't see how you can say the Cowboys D is on the same level as the Steelers. Steelers have the defense to handle these guys. The question to me in this game is whether Dallas can get enough pressure on Ben. That's where the Steelers are vulnerable.

Cowboys do have the better O, but I'm not sure I prefer their O vs. Pitt's D over Pitt's O vs. the Dallas D.

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Nut- I don't see how you can say the Cowboys D is on the same level as the Steelers. Steelers have the defense to handle these guys. The question to me in this game is whether Dallas can get enough pressure on Ben. That's where the Steelers are vulnerable.

Cowboys do have the better O, but I'm not sure I prefer their O vs. Pitt's D over Pitt's O vs. the Dallas D.

That game to me is real simple---

If the game is in Dallas the PItts D plays excellent and the Offense also plays good--

because the game is in PITTS, the Pitts offense will mail this one in and do nothing--

Pitts offense stinks at home- they are lethal on the road---

It is true PItts D is good everywhere but their offense has had all good games on the road and terrible games at home---

Overall Music CIty, Pitts keeps having tough games every single week, can they recover in time?
Wade Phillips and Dallas should be in trouble, key is who is playing DB for PItts also--

PItts D is better than the boys d for sure--

 

[RetroVK]

I know Seattle very well----

Seattle is still trying so they say anyway-- they have no run game anymore---

Seattle D cannot stop bigger physical receivers ie game vs ZONA and dallas---
THe thing about Seattle is Hasselhoff is not in sync with receivers at all- ALso he is so easy to sack- Can PATS get any sacks and do they blitz Hasselhoff a lot---

Seattle has some major issues and here is why they LOSE--

THEY HAVE NO PASS RUSH AT ALL- you see the Dallas game they were forced to blitz all day long--
-THe Db's are quick but get outmuscled and boxed out on passes--

-Julius JONES IMO should be in the CFL- last week a big revenge spot for him playing vs dallas he did nothing and fumbled and was benched.

-Bobby Engram was a possession receiver 4 years ago can he be the # 1 guy at his age--
-Deon BRANCH is a joke- he sucks shit- he was made by TOM Brady--

THe seattle oline is not good now- If the quick slant or quick read is not there HAsselhoff turtles meaning he ducks his head and just gets run over by defensive players--

Seattle 100000000000000% has no more home field advantage anymore--

They really are shit all around--- I mean think about it if SOFTIES ZONA could go in there and baet them easily the PATS can do the same--

But make sure Welker is playing---

Hasselhoff is done as a good QB in this leauge, he is way too small and his west coast bullshit slants are a joke and dont work anymore.

Seattle lost to GBAY by 10, ZONA and washington all at home-- Pats are better than all 3 of those teams IMo--

Travel is a concern , as is the line being put out this low ( books want pats money ? ).

Good stuff in that post sammy.

Do you have any ideas of the injury reports on these two teams ?

 

[SportsNut]

Cleveland's spot next week is about as bad a spot as I've seen a team in this season. I'll be shocked if the Browns score more than 10.

Will be shocked if they break 10 . How many reps could Dorsey have recieved all season ? This team has a lame duck HC and these are the teams who usually just fall to pieces . Rightfully so when you have a 3rd string QB as well . A guy like Dorsey with no arm , looking to make short safe passes is going to kill Jamal Lewis's productivity . Would be suprised if they got more then 7 points honestly . Just look at the DET game and that might be tougher personel and was on the road.

Hard to say on a total . Crazy things happen when bad QBs face good defenses . Tenny will probably run the ball alot if not all day . Consume clock and watch the defense abuse CLE with 3 and outs . Could easily 31-3 game...or 24-7 / 28-7 type....

Just as easily could see 38-3 or 35-7 or 31-7....

Clearly they dont expect CLE to score .

37 total /2 = 18.5 points adjusted for the 14 spread /2 gives us something like 11.5 and 25.5 team totals ...:shake:

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Travel is a concern , as is the line being put out this low ( books want pats money ? ).

Good stuff in that post sammy.

Do you have any ideas of the injury reports on these two teams ?

I am on the phone with bellicheck my friend----

Well the 4.5 is basically 6.5 so you need to win by 7 on the road----

QWest field is considered a hard place to win-----

Honest in my eyes this line is accurate---

I think the play is Pats -2.5 or MONEYLINE----

Conceren for me is the Pats D- they generate no pass rush and can be scored on--- even miami last week, PItts today in rain scored on them--

so with a sub par D playing on the road travelling to the west coast laying -4.5 seems accurate to me--
Also seattle is fairly healthy-- Josh wilson started at corner last week, perhaps Kelly Jennings will be back for them--

Pats had some injuries, welker was almost killed--

I do know the over may hit in this game--

Pats QB cassells should have time to dink and dunk-- I see him scoring on seattle, the question is can the D hold seattle down enough--

I could see both teams scoring quite a bit---

Hasselhoff has been off like last week but that was because of Demarcus WARE and some speed rushers--
THe pats dont have the speed young rushers, they have big fat rushers who have no speed---

RUshing vs Hasselhoff or Frerotte and guys like that, if you have a player like WARE or JOHN ABRAHAM off the edge they can sack these guys as they are immobile statues--
Abraham owned BREES off the edge when they played-

Unless the Pats blitz and put pressure on hasselhoff he will also have time to throw, so i see a high scoring game in that game--

 

[SportsNut]

Nut- I don't see how you can say the Cowboys D is on the same level as the Steelers. Steelers have the defense to handle these guys. The question to me in this game is whether Dallas can get enough pressure on Ben. That's where the Steelers are vulnerable.

Cowboys do have the better O, but I'm not sure I prefer their O vs. Pitt's D over Pitt's O vs. the Dallas D.

Dallas doesnt have the same secondary but in general you cant run on Dallas . Pressure ? Did you see them take down Hasselback repeatedly ? Pitt's OL has been weak all season.

I love this Pitt defense but it has to face a solid balanced attack here . I guess I love the potential the DAL defense has . Pitt is consistent week in and week out but when DAL has been healthy on offense the defense IMO has done well . Most of the points allowed came to thanks to turnovers on offense .

Guess its a reach but Pitt's OL is still bad and the running game has not been consistent . Big Ben can and will make plays in the passing game but not sure I trust the Steelers yet . Dallas has the extra few days off and Pitt is off a big win @ NE . Going to be interesting .....:shake:

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

NUT can i get a little 3 team 10 point teaser ACTIOn my homie???

Now is the time to hit these my friend--

I hit 4 different 3 team 10 point teasers today and they alll hit--

Teased Gbay to +7 Minny to +7 and Giants to +6 Den over 37- Pitts to +11 and Atlanta to +15--

At this point in season it is easy to pick 3 teams and manipulate the spread by 10 points----

A good one would be the Pats right away you can make them +5.5--

Tennesse also at -4 vs DORSEY?????????????

Ravens to possibly +5???????????

indy -4???????????

This is the time to pound the shit out of these--

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Dallas doesnt have the same secondary but in general you cant run on Dallas . Pressure ? Did you see them take down Hasselback repeatedly ? Pitt's OL has been weak all season.

I love this Pitt defense but it has to face a solid balanced attack here . I guess I love the potential the DAL defense has . Pitt is consistent week in and week out but when DAL has been healthy on offense the defense IMO has done well . Most of the points allowed came to thanks to turnovers on offense .

Guess its a reach but Pitt's OL is still bad and the running game has not been consistent . Big Ben can and will make plays in the passing game but not sure I trust the Steelers yet . Dallas has the extra few days off and Pitt is off a big win @ NE . Going to be interesting .....:shake:

PItts is also playing at home where the offense does not play as wel on teh road, there is a big disparity tehre, check your stats on this one--

Also the 3 extra days are huge for a physical blood bath they are expecting-

Also IMO it will come down to this-- PITTS can stop most attacks as they sit back and Polumule picks off most passes and they bate QB's--

If dallas runs the ball, when they throw the ball they have to spread Pitts out, if they can do that they have multiple options to throw at PItts--

Most teams are predictable and Pitts knows where the ball is going, notice how Palaumuleiop is always in the right spot where the qb wants to throw it???
PItts is all scheme----- they are positioned correctly--
but with terrel, roy, and whitten could be huge

The key will be the DALLAS O LINE, if it can give ROMO some time DALLAS will win and do well--

 

[SportsNut]

Sammy makes a great point about Miami . NE didnt exactly kill them but made the key plays late . Hard for me to see much difference bewteen Miami and Seattle as the Hawks get healthier . I agree Jones is weak , Carlson has potential at TE though and the WRs drop so man fucking passes that would be you Koren Robinson . Looking at NE down in Miami and ho SEA hung with WASH not sure I see the value in NE at -4.5 ...:cheers:

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Sammy makes a great point about Miami . NE didnt exactly kill them but made the key plays late . Hard for me to see much difference bewteen Miami and Seattle as the Hawks get healthier . I agree Jones is weak , Carlson has potential at TE though and the WRs drop so man fucking passes that would be you Koren Robinson . Looking at NE down in Miami and ho SEA hung with WASH not sure I see the value in NE at -4.5 ...:cheers:

My friend we are starting to be on the exact same page my friend----

We are assessing the teams for what they are---

ALso Houstons 6 point Defensive effort last week does not look too good after Browns only scored 6 today--:shake:

what u got for monday night>

 

[SportsNut]

NUT can i get a little 3 team 10 point teaser ACTIOn my homie???

Now is the time to hit these my friend--

I hit 4 different 3 team 10 point teasers today and they alll hit--

Teased Gbay to +7 Minny to +7 and Giants to +6 Den over 37- Pitts to +11 and Atlanta to +15--

At this point in season it is easy to pick 3 teams and manipulate the spread by 10 points----

A good one would be the Pats right away you can make them +5.5--

Tennesse also at -4 vs DORSEY?????????????

Ravens to possibly +5???????????

indy -4???????????

This is the time to pound the shit out of these--

Hmmm...

How bout these teams Denver +1 , Zona -3.5 , Tenny -3.5 and Philly +18.5 choose 3 ...even a fan of Bills +8.5 or +9 and Saints +7 ...:cheers:

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

for the record I dont see Pats crushing any teams at this point-- To do taht you need a DEFENSE--

the reason PITTS beats everyone badly on the road is because they make stops.

If you dont make stops you dont win on the road and COVER--

Pats beat Miami but scored many late Td's and played the tennis game you hold serve, i hold serve---

Pats are not impressive on defense in any aspect---

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Hmmm...

How bout these teams Denver +1 , Zona -3.5 , Tenny -3.5 and Philly +18.5 choose 3 ...even a fan of Bills +8.5 or +9 and Saints +7 ...:cheers:

Denver - they wont lose again to a bad team at home--
although KC has always given them trouble even last year I think Den barely won at home vs KC and already lsot to them this year--

Tenny -4 is great--

Indy -3.5 looks great--

ZOna shuold win also--

Phlly +18 looks tasty to me



My top 3 would be Carolina bro +7 Tenny -4 and either philly+18 Dallas +13 or Indy -3.5

actually ZONA also _3.5 is great

 

[SportsNut]

My friend we are starting to be on the exact same page my friend----

We are assessing the teams for what they are---

ALso Houstons 6 point Defensive effort last week does not look too good after Browns only scored 6 today--:shake:

what u got for monday night>

Texans are a bad team so automatically laying even a FG with them is tough ....I do lean Texans but thinking I may be wrong to do so. Green is OUT and Slaton not sure how healthy he is which means its all on Sage . Big issues is JAX pass defense and how well the offense can move it for HOUSTON through the air.

really what scares me most is the fact Houston was favored vs Balt and turned in their worst performance . The other games have been wins or competitive ..

houston always played well vs JAX think going 4-1 at home with the MNF game should expect a crazy crowd an dmotivated team ....

With the low scoring week might be good for an over but 48 is high as well....

Cant say I have an answer for you but only that initially had thought Texans ...:cheers:

 

[nawlins51]

Be careful with my Saints.It should be interesting how they respond after the loss that will probably keep them out the playoffs. They may lay down for the year and Sean Payton will get creative with roster moves if he believes their done. Meaning he will start plugging in guys to get some film on them. I think we see more Meachum than Moore as an example. Also think they start plugging in some LB's like Dunbar and Safetys like Reis in the mix periodically.I may be wrong but this is the type of coach we have.

 

[SportsNut]

Lean Oakland- I don't see how SD beats anyone outside of Detroit or STL by 10 at the moment.

Titans -10 days to prepare at home. The Browns are about to be in full fledged 'We don't give a shit' mode. Titans won't forget some Browns saying they were better last year.


Other leans- Miami, Denver, Steelers

See thats what I feel everyone is going to think . How much better is OAK then Det or STL ?? Oak cant stop the run and does LT and Sproles finally get on track ??

SD has been bad and now lost 2 straight at home will they lose 3 straight ? I mean they lost by 3 and 6 to playoff caliber teams . Granted they are officially medicore but OAK is still bad and doesnt matchup well .

Look how good Oak played them at home catching all those points and still couldnt win or cover ....

SD's offense has just been failing in so many ways ..today 2 pt conversion , recall when it was 15-13 LT couldnt pick up a 3rd and 1 , they had a TOD on the opening drive . Kaeding missed a chip FG , last week Rivers fumbles on the opening drive of the 2nd Half deep in Indy ....

They are broken but broken enough to let Oak hang around ?? I know KC did but overall the Cheifs have been better last month then Oak has...KC has an actual offense not a FG kicker and Johnny Lee Higgins ....Could see 21-10 pretty easily here biut doubt SD would get any of my money this week .....:shake:

 

[SportsNut]

Be careful with my Saints.It should be interesting how they respond after the loss that will probably keep them out the playoffs. They may lay down for the year and Sean Payton will get creative with roster moves if he believes their done. Meaning he will start plugging in guys to get some film on them. I think we see more Meachum than Moore as an example. Also think they start plugging in some LB's like Dunbar and Safetys like Reis in the mix periodically.I may be wrong but this is the type of coach we have.

Will keep this in mind but at 6-6 with 4 winnable games dont think they pack it in . 10-6 could get them in the playoffs . They are 5-1 at home get ATL and Car sandwiched with games @ Chi and @ Det ....:cheers:

 

[nawlins51]

Will keep this in mind but at 6-6 with 4 winnable games dont think they pack it in . 10-6 could get them in the playoffs . They are 5-1 at home get ATL and Car sandwiched with games @ Chi and @ Det ....:cheers:

I hope so Nut but they will need a ton of help and the Bears have this Saints team number. They can't beat them and I may bet against them. For some reason they are able to shut them down every fucking time since Payton is the head coach. I can see them beating Carolina if the division title is locked and they rest players. This is another team who has Sean Paytons number. Detroit, well you may see 1-15 record for the Lions.Typical Saints football. Shut down a top team and beat the piss out of them and next week lose to the Lions. Look at the Rams/Saints game last year.Fuckers.ATL is a rivalry and I know the Saints are a much better team but will they show up.

 

[barmeezee]

Of Interest to me :



Cowboys +3 (buy to 3.5):
Dallas is the better team and just is playing complete football. Not sold on Pitt being consistent at all. Dont think the DALLAS DEF is far from what Pitt brings each week and well BOYS offense certainly is better . Weather will be interesting thoughbecause Romo has the broken pinky . let me tell you when its cold if you have any broken fingers you feel it !

:36_11_6: this is just silly

 

[brewer]

I think imma tease Denver and Phila and play STL with the 14.

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

I think imma tease Denver and Phila and play STL with the 14.

Yeah you cant go wrong---

Zona will find it hard to win games, in all reality WARNER is very overrated--

What Warner truly is is an OVER MACHINE- he scores for both teams- eitehr he throws PICK 6's or fumble interceptions---

After he throws a pick6 or fumble Td he comes back and throws a couple for his team, he does this all year round---
Seriously warner has not even scored 30 points yet vs 1 good NFL D?????

And the majority of Warners points are in catchup mode where theother teams are relaxing, as they getin shootouts where the other teams are okay with them milking clock and scoring--

 

[Joe Public]

Cleveland's spot next week is about as bad a spot as I've seen a team in this season. I'll be shocked if the Browns score more than 10.

I love the Browns. I think we all know this.

That said, they should lose this game by 21. Maybe more. The only thing that will stop that from happening is bad decisions by Tennessee or a ton of breaks going the Browns' way.

They just don't have the horses right now to win this game or, really, even keep it close. The only reason I fear for the under is that Romeo may not even try for the win, but just run all day in an effort to not get embarrassed.

 

[SportsNut]

:36_11_6: this is just silly

We shall see I guess this week. Seems to be taken to literal .

Pitt has played 3 top offenses and 2 at home. Indy , NYG and NE. They played well in all of them and niether Indy and NYG O's were at full strength but still managed 21 and 24 pts. The NE game would look more at the 1st H then anything else . I said at halftime that NE probably lost the game when they drove the field inside the 2 minute warning settled for 3 points and then missed a 27 yd FG to my delight . The 2nd H performance in my opinion was case of what happens when momentum flips .

Against Indy I would say for the same reason I wouldnt get to crazy about the 2nd H performance yesterday most of what Indy's offense did feed off the Ben INT's or momentum swings . To me that has to be recognized in every game . In fairness though Indy has had a poor ground game all season and that allowed Pitt to drop 6 DBs making it tough for Manning to find open WR's. Indy allowed 2 sacks which isnt bad vs Pitt and had ZERO turnovers which is most important . COlts had 10 possessions and 6 punts , 3tds , FG but one punt was around the Steeler 35 that ended a good drive and another drive stalled after Colts were backed up a lot but gained 30 yards to flip field position some.

Even the NYG the holding penalty that wiped out Big Bens long TD pass to extend their lead was a huge momentum swing that keep NYG alive . Still Eli was NOT sacked but was probably was the league #1sack team and again ZERO turnovers . Take away the 3rd Q which the Pitt defense was great but also had NYG backed up inside its 20 twice they allowed something like 8 possessions , 4FGs , TD , TOD inside the red zone and 2 punts . The opening possessin of the game NY picked up 9 yards but on 4th and 1 naturally had to punt and on last possession starting at the Pitt 37 credit the Steelers for not allowing a 1st down and watching only 20 seconds to go off the clock. Believe Jacobs was hurt at this point and they elected to punt on 3rd and 8 at the Pitt 35 rather then attempt a FG . Which when downed at the Pitt 10 looked like genius ...

I love the Steelers smash mouth defense and NO that is not what DALLAS brings to the table. They dont tackle well at times and got caught on their heels while Pitt is just awesome at fundamental football (like tackiling) . However as good as Pitt is teams move the ball the ball on them but like Tenny they mever self dstruct and wait for the opponent to make a mistake . Which is absolutely great but to me that doesnt mean they are a shutdown unit .

@ NE 1st H 34 plays 176 yds gained . 3 punts only one 3 and out though . The game swung when NE missed that FG . Of course they had 5 second turnovers but just think it case of momentum swinging ....

Even SD who didnt crack 10 points did a decent job moving the ball but costly turnovers killed drives (and miss Fgs) . SD had only 8 touches and most of the time they moved the ball .

1st and 10 at the SD 45 INT
59 yd TD drive
Safety - starting at your own 2 yd line is never good
Punt- great job by Pitt (2nd and 8 at the Pitt 37 LT loses 4 yds)
Punt-great job by Pitt again taking away good field position twice(2nd and 2 at the SD 48 LT loses 2 yds)
1st and 10 at Pitt 17 INT
2nd and 2 Pitt 24 , LT loses a yd then Inc , Kaeding misses 42 yd FG
1st and goal at the Pitt 6 settle for a FG after 2 yd run , inc , inc

If one MORE thing is said about Phillies inability to pick up HUGE short yardage situations this season and not acknowledge SD being as bad or worse then I just might have to help out some of the sad sportswriters out and give them a clue ....

Balt with young Flacco did okay moving the ball .

Point is Pitt has had its injuries on defense and the inconsistent offense hasalso hurt the defense IMO but the good teams until the 2nd H yesterday had 0 TURNOVERS in 2 1/2 games of football . They had but 3 sacks in this time frame as well .......

The Pitt defense is very good but if your OL plays well and dont turn the ball over there is nothing IMO holding you back from cracking 21 + points vs them .

Dallas is a mystery as well . They have been decimated by injuries to the secondary . Losing Roy Williams and his replacement Pat Watkins . Newman has been hurt most of the year at CB but when healthy has been good IMO . Go back to the Skins game he was obviously not healthy IMO then. PacMan Jones suspended takes away the nickel back .

I wont tell you Dallas defense has played well but more healthy now on both sides of the ball will pay huge dividends. I was impressed with teh defense @ Arizona the highest rated offense at the time . While they allowed 30 points 14 came off the opeing kick return and punt block to win it . If we go back to the 2nd H of that game again momentum played a huge role. Every play Zona made on offense was pull out your ass type play . The Hightower catch on 3rd down to keep the drive alive , Fitz's great leaping catch 40yds down field on the next drive , etc...otherwise the DAL defense was shutting down ARIZONA at home . How many teams can say that .

Outside of the Giants game which with Brad Johnson at QB was going to be bad day they have played relatively well on defense . TB 9 pts(65 plays 262 yds) , Skins 10 pts (56 plays 228 yds) and Hawks 9 points (68 plays 322 yds but 61 for 278 excluding the last garbage time drive) . Zona 50 plays 276 yds . Cle @10 pts . @ GB 16 pts 65 plays 334yds but 21 plays 118 yds(44 plays 216yds) came in the last 6 minutes after DAL fumbled at the GB 20 in a 27-9 game . They had 5 punts 3 mid range Fgs and a fumble to that point.

Philly and Rams most off the points came thanks to DAL turnovers . With a big pass play mixed in which clearly Dallas can give up . Cincy they were pasting the Bengals 17-0 on the 1st 3 drives of teh game but allowed Cincy to hang around and things started happening for Cincy . 1st H 31 plays for 94 yds allowed . Think 64 plays 269 yds .

I think Wash , SF and @ NYG were the 3 bad performances and they were not terrible. SF did alot damage yardage wis ein teh 1st Q and 4th Q but nearly nothing inbeewteen when DAL ran away with the game. The game @ NYG was again bange dup Dallas with Brad Johnson . The 1st Skins game Newman was not 100% and Santana Moss had a huge day. Next meeting Newman is healthy and 5 R 29yds ......

All I am saying is this DAL team is capable of slowing down the opposing offense and making crucial plays. They do have flaws but generally do a very good job . Look at all the games I mentioned teams didnt even crack 300 yards on them in about 75% of the seasons game.

For all the crap and blowouts still DAL only allows 299 yds per and Pitt alows a sick 238 yds per game. Having Cincy twice helps weigh that down though .

Both played @ Wash recently and came away with similiar type performances IMO...

The gap is now wide IMO except Pitt's defense is consistent and like a machine while DAL is simply not that well oiled machine .

Will be interesting ...:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

Yeah you cant go wrong---

Zona will find it hard to win games, in all reality WARNER is very overrated--

What Warner truly is is an OVER MACHINE- he scores for both teams- eitehr he throws PICK 6's or fumble interceptions---

After he throws a pick6 or fumble Td he comes back and throws a couple for his team, he does this all year round---
Seriously warner has not even scored 30 points yet vs 1 good NFL D?????

And the majority of Warners points are in catchup mode where theother teams are relaxing, as they getin shootouts where the other teams are okay with them milking clock and scoring--

I guess how players are rated are an indivual thing . I am not sure how people rate each player but I know thinking Zona is an elite offense is a joke. Its not Warner so much as the lack of running game when you dont have a mobile QB who is a sitting duck . They have 2 great WRs and Breaston has developed nicely as has Hightower . What else is there though? Edge James lost his starting gig and asked to be cut and they have no TE really of use in the passing game . Give Warner a good TE or running game and the offense would be alot better . The offense is on him every week just like Brett Favre and these type QBs look great when they are good and terrible when they are bad.

I think supporting cast is a huge issue and they even lost Boldin for a bit.

My point was tough to beat a good defense when you are so clearly one dimensonal . :shake:

Not sure about the Rams want to read more about Holt supposedly begging out of the game and if Stephen Jackson really was that overworked not being available to attempt a 4th and 1 late forcing STL to punt . Doesnt sound like a team rallying for its coach does it ?? They have a bad secondary , have been uncompetitive on the road in just about every game and Zona needs a win now and torched them at STL . If you make this ARI -10.5 everyone loads on Zona so the bigger spread seems designed to give us a pause and entertain take STL.

I took STL 1st H vs the Phins so its not like I am just trashing the Rams . Just seems like a bad spot IMO ....:cheers:

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Dallas wont be intimidated---

in 2 key games this year on the road they kicked Gbay's ass and Washington, they seemed to feed on the Offense--

Pitts will have a harder time stopping ROMO and the Boys---

PItts does very well vs jason Campbell, Matt Cassell ie Qb's that they can rattle and overpower with blitzes--

ROMO is used to being blitzed and will not just quit like campbell did----

Is it any coincidence that Pitts lost to both Mannings already??

Yes a QB that is ready for the blitz can move the ball and score on Pitts--

Quite simply there is only a handfull of QB's that can beat PIttsburgh and their blitzing schems--
The question is how good is ROMO vs the blitz. Again it depends on how the O line picks the blitzes up--

Giants and teams like eagles have given romo trouble by MAKING HIM PLAY FAST--

ROMO does not play well when he throws the ball quicker than he wants to--

BUt with the new Williams, Creighton, TO, Whitten, he has more weapons now so he may be able to find someone open in teh short passing game also--

When either the Dallas run game or the O line is going Dallas is impossible to stop-- THey will run on you and if ROMO has time he will find someone open in the passing game--

Pitts can move the ball also but at home their numbers are very weak--

 

[brewer]

Dallas is out of the NFC playoffs as of now and looking in. There schedule is pretty rough down the stretch and Romo has melted down in December everytime. Very interesting game. December will tell the story of Dallas. If they play a great December I have them as favorites to win it all.

 

[SportsNut]

Sammy : Thats the thing though they didnt exactly shutdown NE or Cassel in the 1st Half . It wasnt until Pitt tied the game at 10 late 2nd Q till Steelers showed some life. The shorthanded NE defense probably had outplayed them IMO in the 1st H. Pitt seems to be getting that invincible rating for the forum and look at like this . On the road vs a hated AFC rival they tie the game at 10 just before halftime. Okay now your defense needs to get to stops and go into half tied .

Instead NE drives the field gets to 1st and goal at the Pitt 9 yd line with 35 seconds left . They abandon the run probably because they were out of Timeouts but Morris had gashed Pitt twice on that drive including 14 yds to get to the Pitt 9 . They hold Cassel to 3 INC's and the Gostkowski lines up for a 27 yd FG and misses it.....game over IMO at that moment .....

A shutdown defense wouldnt have allowed that drive to happen IMO. The 2nd H as I said just momentum IMO as NE unraveled

Everyone is making a huge deal out of the PITT defense but they failed to some degree at a crucial moment in the game allowing NE to get to the 9 yd line. They were saved by the missed FG. Also Randy Moss was wide open and dropped a TD pass 2 plays before the missed FG . Pitt simply caught the breaks ....

“They had to start passing the ball and we didn’t have to sit back and try and guess what they were doing,” said James Harrison, who sacked Matt Cassel twice, forcing fumbles. “We just pinned our ears back and went at them.”

Also look at Pitt vs the good teams which tend to have solid or better defenses ...

Philly L 6-15 , Indy L 20-24 , NYG L 17-24 , SD W 11-10 , Balt W 23-20 OT, @ NE 33-10 .

Look at the points they have scored and remember this Pitts last 20 pts were scored off turnovers . They had a huge drive that lasted forever endning in just a FG despite going 14 plays and 79 yds . Whats happens ? NE fumbles the kickoff and sets up Pitt with a short field after having the defense on the field forever and coming up with a great stop. Pitt only up 13-10 gets the ball around NE scores a quick TD and then next possession on 1st down Cassel gets sacked and fumbles ! Steelers basically put up 13 points in a quick span and saw NE run literally 1 play turining a 10-10 game into a 23-10 defecit. This happened in a span of 3 minutes ! Still 10 up inside 6 minutes and down 23-10 inside 3 minutes......

So 3-3 vs the good teams and really never broke 20 pts until yesterday and that was due to 20pts off turnovers . They have 1 and 3 pt wins and a tied game mid 3rd Q which became ugly ........

Still no sign of a concistent running game as Willie Parker has ust been teh same since he got hurt initially and the OL is whatit is .

Ben 110- 193 (41 attempts twice Indy and SD) 4 TDs 10 INTS ( yesterday accounted for 2 TDs and 1 INT) vs 6 good teams

Skins game(tough defense) he was 5/17 for 50 yds INT and 15 passer rating.

QB rating 75 @ NE , 96 SD , 59 Indy (really good but the INTS were killer) , 38.5 NYG , 80.5 Balt and 50 @ Philly ....

So look at the 5 games vs Houston , Cincy twice and Jax who is terrible vs the pass and he made some amazing plays that game , @ CLE . All those games except the home win vs Cincy 100 or better QB rating and CIncy at home was 96. Those 5 games he is 9TDs to 1 INT and the other 7 he is 4TDs to 11 INTS

To me this comes down to Romo protecting the ball which he doesnt allow do . If he does the Boys win if he doesnt he leaves the door open for Pitt ....


All about turnovers here ....:cheers:


:cheers:

 

[SportsNut]

Dallas is out of the NFC playoffs as of now and looking in. There schedule is pretty rough down the stretch and Romo has melted down in December everytime. Very interesting game. December will tell the story of Dallas. If they play a great December I have them as favorites to win it all.

What is on their side is the fact their competition is 3 teams in the same division

TB and Car 9-3 but play this week and ATL 8-4 .

ATL has it tough IMO as well @ NO , home vs TB so someone has totake a loss and @ Minny . Could easily lose all 3 games with STL at the end . Hard to imagine they do better then 10 wins though

TB is @ Car which is good because again someone leaves with 9 wins then , @ ATL , SD and Oak ...hard to belive they get more then 11 wins if that ...could see SD beating them at home although we know who you love to fade Brewer ....

Car with 9 wins has TB , Denver who is a wildcard as they are looking to clinch a playoff spot but it might be all sewn out by then . Then @ NYG and @ GB...

Hard to imagine any of these teams getting past 11 wins ...

Dallas has @ Pitt , @ NYG , Balt and @ Philly ...anything can happen but think they get at least 3-1 and wouldnt be shocked by 4-0 ...

They can beat both Pitt and NYG and expect a split , Balt will struggle with them in Dallas and if it comes down to it woud think Philly out of the playoff race will be an interesting game maybe Reid's last or McNabbs last .....

:cheers:

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Nut PItts will let you complete passes but allow me to give my thoughts----

I think that they bring major pressure on QB's and have Palamulu back there reading routes- he plays safety on one half of the field and is good at reading routes---

Receivers are open vs Pitts, however what happens is they are afraid to get hammered and drop easy passes-- Look at Welker yesterday? Moss also dropped so many passes, cause he knew he wuold get hit hard--

I think there are opportunities vs PITTS, and Pitts says Ok you wanna pass on us, we are going Head hunting for your QB and will make him pay and physically molest him-

Then what they do is play different zones on defense and they just HAMMER receviers when they catch passes- meaning receivers will get hurt catching the ball vs them-

Pats lost but if you look at it MOSS Is a pussy, and Welker is not big at all-- SO the result is not shocking to me--

Hey Nut try this one buddy--

How about PItts letting a 6'5 265 pound freak of muscle WHITTEN catch the ball, do you think they can hit him and rattle him? How about TO? How about the muscle machine Roy WILLIAMS? These guys are all well over 200 pounds and catch well in traffic and will be hard to hit and rattle like the skinny pats were--

Boys receivers vs PATS receivers =

 

[spanishshark]

Jeebus Sammy. "I think there are opportunities vs PITTS, and Pitts says Ok you wanna pass on us, we are going Head hunting for your QB and will make him pay and physically molest him-"

:36_11_6::36_11_6::36_11_6:You have a way my man.

 

[SportsNut]

Pitt is just fundamnetally sound . They obviously gameplan well and the players do their job on the field . Similiar to NE with some better personnel . They play as unit which makes them even tougher . As your pointing to Dallas has the weapons to beat them on defense but again will they or wont they boils down to execution. Sounds silly but thats what its all about . Pitt isnt going to give many opps so whatever chances Dallas has they must take full advantage of .

Pitt , Tenny and at times NE are tough on defense because they game plan well and execute well on the field . NE more in the past few seasons but they still have a asolid defense despite the shit load of injuries ...

It's not about DAL being great but about having the weapons to limit the effectiveness of the Pitt defense . Pitt's players will always be in position to make something him and that could be bad with Romo's gunslinger mentality . Especially if the cold bothers his hand / finger . Also while I might be downplaying Pitt some they will have momentum on their side after the 2nd H @ NE . The defense will come in amped up IMO ....

 

[Gaius.T]

Smells like a letdown game for the Broncos IMHO.

Beating the red hot Jets as a dog on the road then coming home against the lowly Chiefs and laying almost 10!

Plus they are 3 games ahead of the Bolts.

I think KC will give them a good fight and even though they may not win, they should cover that big number.

 

[Marlo]

Sammy : Thats the thing though they didnt exactly shutdown NE or Cassel in the 1st Half . It wasnt until Pitt tied the game at 10 late 2nd Q till Steelers showed some life. The shorthanded NE defense probably had outplayed them IMO in the 1st H. Pitt seems to be getting that invincible rating for the forum and look at like this . On the road vs a hated AFC rival they tie the game at 10 just before halftime. Okay now your defense needs to get to stops and go into half tied .

Instead NE drives the field gets to 1st and goal at the Pitt 9 yd line with 35 seconds left . They abandon the run probably because they were out of Timeouts but Morris had gashed Pitt twice on that drive including 14 yds to get to the Pitt 9 . They hold Cassel to 3 INC's and the Gostkowski lines up for a 27 yd FG and misses it.....game over IMO at that moment .....

A shutdown defense wouldnt have allowed that drive to happen IMO. The 2nd H as I said just momentum IMO as NE unraveled

Everyone is making a huge deal out of the PITT defense but they failed to some degree at a crucial moment in the game allowing NE to get to the 9 yd line. They were saved by the missed FG. Also Randy Moss was wide open and dropped a TD pass 2 plays before the missed FG . Pitt simply caught the breaks ....

“They had to start passing the ball and we didn’t have to sit back and try and guess what they were doing,” said James Harrison, who sacked Matt Cassel twice, forcing fumbles. “We just pinned our ears back and went at them.”

Also look at Pitt vs the good teams which tend to have solid or better defenses ...

Philly L 6-15 , Indy L 20-24 , NYG L 17-24 , SD W 11-10 , Balt W 23-20 OT, @ NE 33-10 .

Look at the points they have scored and remember this Pitts last 20 pts were scored off turnovers . They had a huge drive that lasted forever endning in just a FG despite going 14 plays and 79 yds . Whats happens ? NE fumbles the kickoff and sets up Pitt with a short field after having the defense on the field forever and coming up with a great stop. Pitt only up 13-10 gets the ball around NE scores a quick TD and then next possession on 1st down Cassel gets sacked and fumbles ! Steelers basically put up 13 points in a quick span and saw NE run literally 1 play turining a 10-10 game into a 23-10 defecit. This happened in a span of 3 minutes ! Still 10 up inside 6 minutes and down 23-10 inside 3 minutes......

So 3-3 vs the good teams and really never broke 20 pts until yesterday and that was due to 20pts off turnovers . They have 1 and 3 pt wins and a tied game mid 3rd Q which became ugly ........

Still no sign of a concistent running game as Willie Parker has ust been teh same since he got hurt initially and the OL is whatit is .

Ben 110- 193 (41 attempts twice Indy and SD) 4 TDs 10 INTS ( yesterday accounted for 2 TDs and 1 INT) vs 6 good teams

Skins game(tough defense) he was 5/17 for 50 yds INT and 15 passer rating.

QB rating 75 @ NE , 96 SD , 59 Indy (really good but the INTS were killer) , 38.5 NYG , 80.5 Balt and 50 @ Philly ....

So look at the 5 games vs Houston , Cincy twice and Jax who is terrible vs the pass and he made some amazing plays that game , @ CLE . All those games except the home win vs Cincy 100 or better QB rating and CIncy at home was 96. Those 5 games he is 9TDs to 1 INT and the other 7 he is 4TDs to 11 INTS

To me this comes down to Romo protecting the ball which he doesnt allow do . If he does the Boys win if he doesnt he leaves the door open for Pitt ....


All about turnovers here ....:cheers:


:cheers:

Nut amazing man, simply amazing. :cheers: