Week 13 What Did We Learn

KC is unbettable now.......with the high lines and their cruise control offense........will back them once playoffs starts.......
 
I said the Lions may go score some points...

I wanted to hit the TT but with the missing guys I laid off like a sissy...

Staff hasn't been allowed to throw that many passes over 10+ yards in 3-4 years...

Amazing...
 
I’m sorry, I’m not “the game is fixed” kind of guy, convince me tonight’s Chiefs Broncos wasn’t? And I only bet KC on 2nd half.

Our weekly group text we have a running joke for SNF about Roger dialing in to keep it close and for team trailing to have a final drive at end to win. Seems like a weekly occurrence where it comes to fruition. Broncos on SNF, had to keep viewers a tuned in. 5 KC fgs and 1td, one td overturned by questionable holding, one td they didn’t review. All seemed odd to keep it close for viewers.
 
How do you run a business of any sort and keep Anthony Lynn and Adam Gase week after week.

At least the Lions did something. What does it take? Atlanta and so far Detroit is better off since they did.

Im sure Jets fear a win if they get rid of such ineptitude but still.

The Vikings suck, but Justin Jefferson is becoming my favorite player, fast. Route running porn. Sick. I get dropping Cousins after this year, but only if you have someone capable of getting balm to Adam and JJ. Those guys are special, don’t shackle them with a Drew Locke type.

The Lions showed heart today, not so cowardly. Hmm, wonder why. Let Matthew cook! It’s what he does best. Don’t make him a game manager! Of course, I bet the Bears. Goodbye Matt Nagy. The Bears were 5-1, let that sink in.

The Cards seem broken. Feels like a divide. Could be team to fade down the stretch.

Russ has been horrible for weeks now. He’s missing WRs cuz he’s worried about pressure and holding ball too long when there’s no pressure. He’s looking to take off a lot. Only the Jets can fix their woes, looks at schedule.

where will Carson Wentz play next year?

sean Mcvay is now 33-0 with a lead at half. That is unreal to me. Think of all the idiot coaches who choke, and then think about that again. Insane!

The Titans defense is horrendous, god awful. Stop crowning them as contenders to the Chiefs. Not happening!

Baker is better without OBJ, aren’t we all?
 
Post your thoughts!


After today's performance, do we adjust our perception of the Titans?

no. They had 2 emotional wins off rivals in Baltimore and indy and just came out flat. That said, as bad as it was, 2 plays really cost us. Down 3-0 in 1st, they called Henry short on 4th and 1, im pretty sure that was a 1st down, different game if that’s called a first, instead it quickly became 10-0. The other was in the 3rd q, titans came out hot, 2 quick Tds and had clev backed up on a 3rd and 12 and instead of getting the necessary stop they gave up 13 yards and clev gets more time off the clock and kicked a fg. No doubt w a stop tenn scores again, and are rolling. Titans dominated the 2h but just were behind by way too much. Not too concerned it’s one game, didn’t feed Henry enough early. Only 7 carries I think in 1h, they still had a shot at an onside kick to give them a chance. Flush this game, regroup, move on to pummel jags next week and all is fine
 
no. They had 2 emotional wins off rivals in Baltimore and indy and just came out flat. That said, as bad as it was, 2 plays really cost us. Down 3-0 in 1st, they called Henry short on 4th and 1, im pretty sure that was a 1st down, different game if that’s called a first, instead it quickly became 10-0. The other was in the 3rd q, titans came out hot, 2 quick Tds and had clev backed up on a 3rd and 12 and instead of getting the necessary stop they gave up 13 yards and clev gets more time off the clock and kicked a fg. No doubt w a stop tenn scores again, and are rolling. Titans dominated the 2h but just were behind by way too much. Not too concerned it’s one game, didn’t feed Henry enough early. Only 7 carries I think in 1h, they still had a shot at an onside kick to give them a chance. Flush this game, regroup, move on to pummel jags next week and all is fine
Surprised Henry was stopped on that 2pt conversion. Looked like he would barrel right in.
Do you think the aches and pains of the season are catching up?
 
Surprised Henry was stopped on that 2pt conversion. Looked like he would barrel right in.
Do you think the aches and pains of the season are catching up?
I was a bit shocked he didn’t get in there either, dude just made a play, it happens. Nah, I don’t worry about the grind w Henry, he’s built for it. He’s carried it since HS, just a weird game all around. Clev had a good gameplan out the gate, took advantage of some things with the combination of us starting flat. Give them credit. They were the better team today. That said. Whatever was said in the locker room at half time bottle it bc it was a totally different titans team 2H vs 1h
 
I tend to agree with KC on the big spreads but I’ll be on them the next two weeks. Two big games coming up and I think they will have people talking after both.

I had Cleveland but it was a bad spot for Tennessee. But there is a blueprint for keeping them in check and the AFCG and yesterday are good examples. You need to acquire a lead and make them go to the air. And the defense is still suspect enough to give up points while coming back. They will be ok. They def win a first round payoff game. Prefer not to see them till the title game.

i recall being a lone wolf on Seattle is not what you think they are but didn’t see that shit coming.

Excellent stat on McVay. There’s a lot to be said for that and they do have the team if Goff can not fuck it up.

how big were those near misses along the way for the Patriots at this point.

colts Raiders will be a fun one next week.

Buffalo will beat Pitt after they get beat tonight.

Miami has a brutal schedule finish

Niners in must win tonight. If they lose, season over, look to fade next week.

Fuck the Bears.

credit to Jax, NYJ, and Cincy for putting it all on the line every week with only the ability to hurt themselves by winning.
 
Seattle loss honestly doesn’t change my opinion that they the best chance for the nfc, I’m stubborn tho. They seem to be better on the road these days so don’t think winning the division really matters this year, they wernt gonna catch saints for the bye anyways.
 
I was a bit shocked he didn’t get in there either, dude just made a play, it happens. Nah, I don’t worry about the grind w Henry, he’s built for it. He’s carried it since HS, just a weird game all around. Clev had a good gameplan out the gate, took advantage of some things with the combination of us starting flat. Give them credit. They were the better team today. That said. Whatever was said in the locker room at half time bottle it bc it was a totally different titans team 2H vs 1h

that seems to often be the case with them. They got dominated in the 1st half by the Steelers also before coming back in 2nd. Their defense just not good enough and now I saw clowny done for year so I don’t see how they gonna improve the pass rush? I agree they still will win a playoff game cause their ability to control a game with the offense but they just not legit contenders without ability to get pressure. Maybe they should start looking at blitzing way more?
 
How do you run a business of any sort and keep Anthony Lynn and Adam Gase week after week.

At least the Lions did something. What does it take? Atlanta and so far Detroit is better off since they did.

Im sure Jets fear a win if they get rid of such ineptitude but still.

The Vikings suck, but Justin Jefferson is becoming my favorite player, fast. Route running porn. Sick. I get dropping Cousins after this year, but only if you have someone capable of getting balm to Adam and JJ. Those guys are special, don’t shackle them with a Drew Locke type.

The Lions showed heart today, not so cowardly. Hmm, wonder why. Let Matthew cook! It’s what he does best. Don’t make him a game manager! Of course, I bet the Bears. Goodbye Matt Nagy. The Bears were 5-1, let that sink in.

The Cards seem broken. Feels like a divide. Could be team to fade down the stretch.

Russ has been horrible for weeks now. He’s missing WRs cuz he’s worried about pressure and holding ball too long when there’s no pressure. He’s looking to take off a lot. Only the Jets can fix their woes, looks at schedule.

where will Carson Wentz play next year?

sean Mcvay is now 33-0 with a lead at half. That is unreal to me. Think of all the idiot coaches who choke, and then think about that again. Insane!

The Titans defense is horrendous, god awful. Stop crowning them as contenders to the Chiefs. Not happening!

Baker is better without OBJ, aren’t we all?

cards def a team to fade, ever since Kyler shoulder got banged up in Seattle they been a completely different offense, not only is he not throwing the ball as well but he not running nearly like he was before that, this offense had always been way to predicated on his ability to take off which was gonna have to get fixed at some point, that time is now. Just don’t think you can win long run in the nfl with your qb being the primary rushing threat, it’s a great complimentary piece especially in big moments but if you rely on it you asking for trouble.

I don’t think the “baker” better without obj narrative is fair even if there some truth to it. I don’t think it was obj fault baker felt the need to force it to him and furthermore I honestly think the main difference isn’t obj at all, baker is still garbage when you make him even a little uncomfortable, he was good against crappy defenses with no pass rush whatsoever before obj got hurt! Cant wait to see him fall apart vs the Steelers and ravens again, you know, teams who can actually rush the qb.

Mcvay is still really good and even better the west seems mostly easy for me to bet, he owns the cardinals, shanny owns him, easy peasy!! It is really nice when ya bet the rams you can actually feel good when leading at the half! I was never worried yesterday :)

Jefferson is awesome, he quickly becoming the best wr in that class if not one the best in the league!! Him and the white boy are def up there among the top wr duos in the league, you would think w them and cook in backfield that team would be way better but cousins always been a bum who comes up small in big moments.
 
Browns-Titans played to the old adage of "run to the smell". A 53 line total with these two run first teams? LOL. Only took 35 minutes to sail over.

Belichek still has the ability to confound a rookie QB. If that game didn't seal Anthony Lynn's fate then I don't know what can.

I'm old enough to remember when people where certain that Carson Wentz was a better QB than Dak Prescott.

Don't sleep on the Ravens getting better quickly. They showed a lot last week in playing an unbeaten Steelers team tough despite 30% of the squad on the COVID list. Rest of their schedule is DAL, @CLE, JAC, NYG and CIN. They're a lock for 10-6 and that should them into the tourney. Beat Cleveland and they'll win out and be dangerous.

Vegas has Indy and Miami left. Indy also has Pittsburgh. Miami also has KC, NE and Buffalo. With that schedule mix one of them will drop out and let Baltimore in.

In the NFC it will come down to which of Minnesota, Arizona and San Fran can get to 9-7. A Viking team that lost to Dallas, had no business beating Carolina and squeezed by the Jags does not feel like its them. If Niners win tonight I see it coming down to the Cards-Niners matchup in Week 16.
 
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Browns-Titans played to the old adage of "run to the smell". A 53 line total with these two run first teams? LOL. Only took 35 minutes to sail over.

Belichek still has the ability to confound a rookie QB. If that game didn't seal Anthony Lynn's fate then I don't know what can.

I'm old enough to remember when people where certain that Carson Wentz was a better QB than Dak Prescott.

Don't sleep on the Ravens getting better quickly. They showed a lot last week in playing an unbeaten Steelers team tough despite 30% of the squad on the COVID list. Rest of their schedule is DAL, @CLE, JAC, NYG and CIN. They're a lock for 10-6 and that should them into the tourney. Beat Cleveland and they'll win out and be dangerous.

Vegas has Indy and Miami left. Indy also has Pittsburgh. Miami also has KC, NE and Buffalo. One of those three will drop out. With that schedule mix one of them will drop out and let Baltimore in.

In the NFC it will come down to which of Minnesota, Arizona and San Fran can get to 9-7. A Viking team that lost to Dallas, had no business beating Carolina and squeezed by the Jags does not feel like its them. If Niners win tonight I see it coming down to the Cards-Niners matchup in Week 16.

if niners can win tonight I think it will be them.

agree about ravens and it might actually help them in the playoffs that they not gonna be a prohibitive favorite and have been somewhat wrote off. They can still run the ball and I still really like their defense which gives them a leg up on a lot of the no defense playing teams in the afc. I do think they still have a ceiling that short of winning it all until Roman learns how to design route concepts. Some of the passing woes are on Lamar but I think Roman a big part the problem as well. Their passing concepts just don’t compare to the good passing teams and I think he had the same problem in San Fran w kap offense.
 
The hoody coaching tree is finally growing some branches. Judge and Flores look like they were the right guys for the jobs, both of them have done a great job installing a winning culture into recent loser franchises in a very short amount of time! Excellent job by both of them. Any owner of a crappy team should be looking at those guys and cleaning house cause they have their teams competing without any great talent edge (looking at you Anthony lynn and the bum in cincy).
 
that seems to often be the case with them. They got dominated in the 1st half by the Steelers also before coming back in 2nd. Their defense just not good enough and now I saw clowny done for year so I don’t see how they gonna improve the pass rush? I agree they still will win a playoff game cause their ability to control a game with the offense but they just not legit contenders without ability to get pressure. Maybe they should start looking at blitzing way more?
They should have paid Logan Ryan to help sure you the secondary. Jackson’s injury has really exposed it. If Clowney is indeed done, yeah gonna have to get creative or just play zone and be willing to make teams go 10, 12, 15 plays to score. Just don’t let anything over your head. Everything in front, and tackle.
 
Start working on the 2021 regression analysis....

Browns are 6-0 in one score games and -15 in point differential (arrow down)

Bills are 5-1 in one score games and +17 in point differential (arrow down)

Ravens are 1-4 in one score games and +68 in point differential (arrow up)

Titans are 6-2 in one score games and +33 in point differential (arrow down)

Washing Potatoes are 0-3 in one score games and -2 in point differential (arrow up)

Falcons are 2-5 in one score games on and +9 in point differential and made a coaching change (arrow up)
 
Fantasy players gotta love the Jonathon Taylor usage, although it took awhile to happen in the game. The Colts tried every way possible to lose that game without him.

First drive, first run of the day Taylor bulled his way for 12. Second run he lost 2. Didn't get another touch until the 4th down catch and run for TD on the 4th drive.

Fifth drive, 11 yard run, nothing else in the first half.

So in the first half, three plays for >10 yards, one lost 2 yards. You would think he's shown a hot hand.

Sixth drive, start of 2nd half, they open with Hines. Punt

Seventh drive, 1st pass to Taylor for 5, then all Rivers passes. Punt

Eighth drive, Wilkins gets two rushes, they go three and out.

Ninth drive, Taylor runs for 6, 3, 19, 24, then -3. They switch to Hines, try him and 4 and 1 at the Hou 5 up by 4. Stuffed!

Then they get the safety to go up six, and go into a six minute offense. Taylor gets 8,3, 6, 4, then no gain. They put in Wilkins and go backwards before punting.

Bottom line, Taylor 13 carries for 91. They give Hines, Wilkins, Brissett and Harris 14 carries for 20 yards.

At one point in the first half, Rivers first 14 passes had the follow target count: TY 5, nine other guys 1 each.

This looks like a coaching staff that goes into Sunday with little idea on how they're going to win a game. They script a play for every skill player in their first 20 snaps, see who makes the play, and then go from there.
 
Fantasy players gotta love the Jonathon Taylor usage, although it took awhile to happen in the game. The Colts tried every way possible to lose that game without him.

First drive, first run of the day Taylor bulled his way for 12. Second run he lost 2. Didn't get another touch until the 4th down catch and run for TD on the 4th drive.

Fifth drive, 11 yard run, nothing else in the first half.

So in the first half, three plays for >10 yards, one lost 2 yards. You would think he's shown a hot hand.

Sixth drive, start of 2nd half, they open with Hines. Punt

Seventh drive, 1st pass to Taylor for 5, then all Rivers passes. Punt

Eighth drive, Wilkins gets two rushes, they go three and out.

Ninth drive, Taylor runs for 6, 3, 19, 24, then -3. They switch to Hines, try him and 4 and 1 at the Hou 5 up by 4. Stuffed!

Then they get the safety to go up six, and go into a six minute offense. Taylor gets 8,3, 6, 4, then no gain. They put in Wilkins and go backwards before punting.

Bottom line, Taylor 13 carries for 91. They give Hines, Wilkins, Brissett and Harris 14 carries for 20 yards.

At one point in the first half, Rivers first 14 passes had the follow target count: TY 5, nine other guys 1 each.

This looks like a coaching staff that goes into Sunday with little idea on how they're going to win a game. They script a play for every skill player in their first 20 snaps, see who makes the play, and then go from there.
Thanks for this....as a JT holder this makes me furious...
 
BTW, reason #1046 on why Gase sucks as a coach: Waller 13 grabs for 200 and 2 TDs. There are literally only two things to focus on with the Raiders O: 1) Take away Waller and 2) Stack the box enough to slow down Jacobs. And this week Jacobs wasn't even there! Waller didn't have 200 yards in the last 5 games combined! So there was plenty of tape out there on how to slow him down.
 
Thanks for this....as a JT holder this makes me furious...
No problem, I have him a both leagues I'm in.

It's funny, maybe because they're the Colts it makes me think of this, but in horse racing you see different kinds of runners. Some have a thirst for winning....they see a horse ahead and they need to pass them, or a horse comes up to them and they just have a will that says you are not getting by today....Affirmed is the classic example.

Other horses take little notice of their surroundings....they will just run a race and if the pieces fall into place they can win, otherwise they run a happy fourth. The Colts have this style. They are just going to spread it around and hope there are enough good plays in the mix to come out ahead.
 
Great post Gandy, from someone that has Taylor in two fantasy leagues lol....I watched Sea/NYG game and was amazed at how the NYG front 7 on D thoroughly dominated Seattle OL the entire game. Wilson was very uncomfortable in the pocket and kept looking down and anticipating that he was going to be harassed by NYG pass rush. NYG also did a great job of not letting him get outside the pocket and being able to create extra time or make something happen with his scrambling ability. It also appeared to me that Seattle receivers had a hard time getting open downfield, credit to NYG secondary, and Wilson was forced to dump underneath on a large number of plays. Seattle also inexplicably wasted an important TO in the second half, that they really could have used at the end of the game. Seattle has problems on the OL and certainly as we already knew in pass coverage. Future opponents should look at this NYG tape, and get some good takeaways on strategy. Wilson really does not like staying in the pocket when the play starts breaking down. NYG cover 2 and containment of Wilson were big in this game.
 
Its wild

It's his best weapon, hes not a west coast scheme guy, should be going deep every drive

def when golliday is playing, he been injured a lot this year hasn’t he? Him and the te some pretty good weapons to work with. Marvin Jones better than 75% the 2s in the league imo. Don’t like it when he has to be the 1 even tho he was really good in that roll yesterday. Seems like stafford be a much better fit for arians offense, I think he more talented than he gets credit for, wasted career in Detroit.
 
Everyone killing Greg Williams for that 0 blitz call yesterday but did any of them catch the previous play when he only rushed 3 and dropped 8 but Aguilar still got behind the defense and Carr just missed him!!

I don’t hate being aggressive there, I thought titans should have blitzed Baker all day yesterday. The problem was his rookie corner shouldn’t be sitting down on any routes in that spot! I know he conditioned to do so when he obviously expected ball to come out fast but in that situation a catch in front of him ends game! It comical he the one who gets fired, he furthest thing from the real problems in NY!!
 
How do you run a business of any sort and keep Anthony Lynn and Adam Gase week after week.

At least the Lions did something. What does it take? Atlanta and so far Detroit is better off since they did.

Im sure Jets fear a win if they get rid of such ineptitude but still.

The Vikings suck, but Justin Jefferson is becoming my favorite player, fast. Route running porn. Sick. I get dropping Cousins after this year, but only if you have someone capable of getting balm to Adam and JJ. Those guys are special, don’t shackle them with a Drew Locke type.

The Lions showed heart today, not so cowardly. Hmm, wonder why. Let Matthew cook! It’s what he does best. Don’t make him a game manager! Of course, I bet the Bears. Goodbye Matt Nagy. The Bears were 5-1, let that sink in.

The Cards seem broken. Feels like a divide. Could be team to fade down the stretch.

Russ has been horrible for weeks now. He’s missing WRs cuz he’s worried about pressure and holding ball too long when there’s no pressure. He’s looking to take off a lot. Only the Jets can fix their woes, looks at schedule.

where will Carson Wentz play next year?

sean Mcvay is now 33-0 with a lead at half. That is unreal to me. Think of all the idiot coaches who choke, and then think about that again. Insane!

The Titans defense is horrendous, god awful. Stop crowning them as contenders to the Chiefs. Not happening!

Baker is better without OBJ, aren’t we all?
 

freaking lsu kid showing the fuck out! Do you root for lsu players at next level twink?

Hard to kill the teams who picked any the top 3 wrs (although I said at times I thought raiders screwed up taking Ruggs) ahead of him. When you get into the 20s tho and see Eagles picked a punt returner ahead of Jefferson you gotta laugh at the scouting department! This gonna turn out as bad the 8 teams who took a wr other than DK Metcalf!
 
The concerning part of the Seattle loss was them allowing 190 on the ground when that typically the strength of their defense, while facing a backup qb no less!
 
For all the talk early in the season that Brady won the move it pretty funny to see that pats now 6-6 and in the playoff hunt!! If cam doesn’t fumble against bills pats could be 7-5!! Winning 45-0 when your qb doesn’t eclipse 100 yards that great coaching vs terrible coaching!
 
So, at what point do people start looking at the New Orleans Saints and wonder if they are winning in spite of Drew Brees and not because of Drew Brees? What is that now 8-0 without him over the past two seasons? It is no longer too small of a sample size ...that’s half a damn season. I get it the guy has had a great career, and nobody within the organization would ever say it out loud, but if I was a Saints fan I would be worried he’s going to give one away in the playoffs.
 
So, at what point do people start looking at the New Orleans Saints and wonder if they are winning in spite of Drew Brees and not because of Drew Brees? What is that now 8-0 without him over the past two seasons? It is no longer too small of a sample size ...that’s half a damn season. I get it the guy has had a great career, and nobody within the organization would ever say it out loud, but if I was a Saints fan I would be worried he’s going to give one away in the playoffs.

ive been saying it for years but everyone just writes me off as a hater! Might be some truth to that but don’t think it means my belief any less accurate. He a straight up noodle arm, it a huge testament to Payton he able to have such a productive offense despite the fact nobody should be respecting brees arm!! Not only Peyton but the front office drafts about as well as anyone in the league, seems like the gm/coach about as good it gets drafting to need and developing the players!! If I was the saints teddy b would be my qb and I would have wished brees well in retirement or if he choose to go somewhere else!! Lol
 
It's early, but Hurts isn't an NFL qb. He seems to be a one or two read thrower that will turn to run. The NFL the way it is, he might be able to beat bad defenses with the run, but I think he gets smoked against average ones. He had a decent deep ball against the packers, albeit one wr was wide open by 5 yards on 4th and 18.

Tua isn't impressive at all.

I missed DEN last night, my kind of bet, big ud division rival with a defense. Is KC off or is it just a division rival game with a sneaky good defense? KC out-gained them by more than 100 total yards and the Broncos had 2 turnovers to KC's 0. Still close to the end.
 
It's early, but Hurts isn't an NFL qb. He seems to be a one or two read thrower that will turn to run. The NFL the way it is, he might be able to beat bad defenses with the run, but I think he gets smoked against average ones. He had a decent deep ball against the packers, albeit one wr was wide open by 5 yards on 4th and 18.

Tua isn't impressive at all.

I missed DEN last night, my kind of bet, big ud division rival with a defense. Is KC off or is it just a division rival game with a sneaky good defense? KC out-gained them by more than 100 total yards and the Broncos had 2 turnovers to KC's 0. Still close to the end.

i don’t think we can say on hurts, far to early imo. What I do like about him is he appears to be a great leader which something wentz has always lacked. Just maybe wentz can learn something in that department? I mean I doubt he tries to learn anything cause he strikes me as a Big Baby who thinks he getting the shaft and nothing his fault, plus he has developed a huge inferiority complex thanks to the Foles thing.

I dunno wtf Philly can do? They pretty much tied to him with that contract they can’t cut him! Maybe colts will swoop in and give them a 6th round pick and take the contract off their hands?! Lol. I def don’t think Philly doing anything wrong seeing what they have in hurts, they invested the second round pick and what it matter this season? Nothing bad gonna come out of it, maybe hurts plays well and they can flip him if they stick with wentz? I don’t think they can damage wentz any more than he already is by benching him! Lol
 
It's early, but Hurts isn't an NFL qb. He seems to be a one or two read thrower that will turn to run. The NFL the way it is, he might be able to beat bad defenses with the run, but I think he gets smoked against average ones. He had a decent deep ball against the packers, albeit one wr was wide open by 5 yards on 4th and 18.

Tua isn't impressive at all.

I missed DEN last night, my kind of bet, big ud division rival with a defense. Is KC off or is it just a division rival game with a sneaky good defense? KC out-gained them by more than 100 total yards and the Broncos had 2 turnovers to KC's 0. Still close to the end.
I think the Chiefs just kinda screwed around in this one, tried to put on a show with Kelce and Hill and Denver is just good enough to slow down Mahomes if he's using a short target bench. Consider that Robinson saw two catches in the first series and no targets after. Watkins had two quick screens for 4 yards apiece, then Mahomes looked his way in the end zone but the ball was batted down, then he overled him on a crossing route that was almost a great catch but overturned, and that was it until the last drive when he got two drive extender grabs. Hardeman was pretty invisible, and Pringle was nowhere to be seen. Bell only saw 3 balls and looked slow. Denver also did a great job getting hands up to knock balls down at the line. CEH on the bench due to illness also took away some balance.

So Mahomes went 14-23 targeting Hill and Kelce a lot. Nine incompletions to those two was the most since Mahomes was force feeding it to Hill and Kelce 30 times in the Carolina game, which was also uncomfortably close.
 
It's early, but Hurts isn't an NFL qb. He seems to be a one or two read thrower that will turn to run. The NFL the way it is, he might be able to beat bad defenses with the run, but I think he gets smoked against average ones. He had a decent deep ball against the packers, albeit one wr was wide open by 5 yards on 4th and 18.

Tua isn't impressive at all.

I missed DEN last night, my kind of bet, big ud division rival with a defense. Is KC off or is it just a division rival game with a sneaky good defense? KC out-gained them by more than 100 total yards and the Broncos had 2 turnovers to KC's 0. Still close to the end.

far as the kc game goes I didn’t watch but wasn’t kc inside the 5 yard line 3-4x at least and settled for Fgs? Just scoreboard watching and looking at the stats I’d say kc could have easily won by 20 points if they simply finished drives.

Still way too early with Tua as well imo. I think there some things he has done well, he hasn’t been asked to do a ton, I didn’t watch any of yesterday but before the game he was bad and got hurt I thought he did some good things the previous week.
 
freaking lsu kid showing the fuck out! Do you root for lsu players at next level twink?

Hard to kill the teams who picked any the top 3 wrs (although I said at times I thought raiders screwed up taking Ruggs) ahead of him. When you get into the 20s tho and see Eagles picked a punt returner ahead of Jefferson you gotta laugh at the scouting department! This gonna turn out as bad the 8 teams who took a wr other than DK Metcalf!
I absolutely root for the last take in a recruiting class, 2 star kid from an LSU family that had 2 brothers play at the school previously. And were much highly recruited nationally.
And in Louisiana to have to listen to bullshit about your older brother Jordan “blah blah blah”....all he did was get LSU into another National Championship game.
Then be surrounded by 5 star WRs at school that have more talent and might be faster but you take the time and you perfect route running like I don’t even know what.
Then go be a 1st round pick and show everyone what fucking time it is.

Oh and they said you couldn’t dance so you made your Griddy dance go National where everyone one does it at the pro and college level.

Yea. I pull for for Jets. One of my favorite LSU players of all time.

I don’t pull for them all. See OBJ....
 
So, at what point do people start looking at the New Orleans Saints and wonder if they are winning in spite of Drew Brees and not because of Drew Brees? What is that now 8-0 without him over the past two seasons? It is no longer too small of a sample size ...that’s half a damn season. I get it the guy has had a great career, and nobody within the organization would ever say it out loud, but if I was a Saints fan I would be worried he’s going to give one away in the playoffs.
True. But Taysom fumbles have me just as worried.

I think the team is most complete too to bottom. From the Oline to the Dline to the CBs....just plug and play. And the QB obv.

KC might be the best team, but NO is deep everywhere
 
I absolutely root for the last take in a recruiting class, 2 star kid from an LSU family that had 2 brothers play at the school previously. And were much highly recruited nationally.
And in Louisiana to have to listen to bullshit about your older brother Jordan “blah blah blah”....all he did was get LSU into another National Championship game.
Then be surrounded by 5 star WRs at school that have more talent and might be faster but you take the time and you perfect route running like I don’t even know what.
Then go be a 1st round pick and show everyone what fucking time it is.

Oh and they said you couldn’t dance so you made your Griddy dance go National where everyone one does it at the pro and college level.

Yea. I pull for for Jets. One of my favorite LSU players of all time.

I don’t pull for them all. See OBJ....

i didn’t know he was that lowly a recruit, stuff like that makes guys with the right makeup! He is a great route runner for a rookie no less!!!
 
ive been saying it for years but everyone just writes me off as a hater! Might be some truth to that but don’t think it means my belief any less accurate. He a straight up noodle arm, it a huge testament to Payton he able to have such a productive offense despite the fact nobody should be respecting brees arm!! Not only Peyton but the front office drafts about as well as anyone in the league, seems like the gm/coach about as good it gets drafting to need and developing the players!! If I was the saints teddy b would be my qb and I would have wished brees well in retirement or if he choose to go somewhere else!! Lol
Negative. I like Teddy and glad he got paid but that would’ve been a mistake
 
True. But Taysom fumbles have me just as worried.

I think the team is most complete too to bottom. From the Oline to the Dline to the CBs....just plug and play. And the QB obv.

KC might be the best team, but NO is deep everywhere

when I say I think saints would be better off with another qb I’m certainly not talking bout Hill full time. I’m not buying that. I loved teddy b in that offense, I think Jamis might be great in it if he can learn things! Lol. Call me a hater all ya want but I’d put everything on kc vs saints, not that I think saints get to the SB.
 
I don’t think so, I think brees will continue holding them back in playoffs.

I know I’m a huge hater but really believe this! Lol. I get im crazy but I just prefer my QBs actually be talented throwers of the football! :). I guess he was at one time but it been awhile.

here some more hate, I’ve always believed a lot of guys coulda put up huge numbers and had plenty of success in this offense.
 
Seems like really bad coaching being done in Philly. A week after DK metcalf going nuts on them they proceed to let adams do the same thing, just maybe you should give slay some help vs these guys!!

Wasn’t any better on the offensive side where everyone knows the way to attack packers is with the run game, the defense was keeping you close enough you could have been patient and got sanders who prob your best skill position player some more touches!! Instead they let their QBs get sacked 7x while sanders gets 10 touches.
 
I just saw patty mahomes is like -500 to win mvp and Rodgers is second at +450!?!? Am I crazy to think Rodgers for mvp a great bet at that number? Is there really that much of a gap between those 2?
 
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