Week 12 Discussion Thread

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VirginiaCavs

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Nov 16 Tue 2021

06:00 PM
303Toledo-6
-120		O 53½
-115
304Ohio+6
+100		U 53½
-105
06:30 PM
301Western Michigan-5
-110		O 67½
-115
302Eastern Michigan+5
-110		U 67½
-105
07:00 PM
305Bowling Green+16
-110		O 50
-115
306Miami Ohio-16
-110		U 50
-105
Nov 17 Wed 2021

06:00 PM
307Central Michigan+2½
-110		O 62
-110
308Ball State-2½
-110		U 62
-110
06:00 PM
309Northern Illinois-2½
-110		O 64
-110
310Buffalo+2½
-110		U 64
-110
Nov 18 Thu 2021

06:30 PM
313Louisville-19½
-113		O 59½
-110
314Duke+19½
-107		U 59½
-110
Nov 19 Fri 2021

07:00 PM
315Southern Miss+17
-120		O 51
-110
316Louisiana Tech-17
+100		U 51
-110
08:00 PM
317Memphis+9½
-115		O 60
-110
318Houston-9½
-105		U 60
-110
08:00 PM
319Arizona+15
-110		O 51
-115
320Washington State-15
-110		U 51
-105
08:00 PM
321Air Force+1½
-105		O 53
-105
322Nevada-1½
-115		U 53
-115
10:30 PM
323San Diego State-12
-110		O 40½
-110
324UNLV+12
-110		U 40½
-110
Nov 20 Sat 2021

11:00 AM
329Massachusetts+37
-105		O 56
-110
330Army-37
-115		U 56
-110
11:00 AM
337Kent State-13½
-110		O 73
-110
338Akron+13½
-110		U 73
-110
11:00 AM
339Michigan State+19½
-105		O 67
-105
340Ohio State-19½
-115		U 67
-115
11:00 AM
347Texas+2½
-110		O 58½
-110
348West Virginia-2½
-110		U 58½
-110
11:00 AM
351Florida State+3
-116		O 54
-115
352Boston College-3
-104		U 54
-105
11:00 AM
355Purdue-11
-110		O 49½
-105
356Northwestern
+11
-110		U 49½
-115
11:00 AM
359Rutgers+17
-105		O 46
-110
360Penn State-17
-115		U 46
-110
11:00 AM
361Wake Forest+3½
-105		O 56½
-115
362Clemson-3½
-115		U 56½
-105
11:00 AM
365Florida Atlantic+11
-118		O 64½
-110
366Western Kentucky-11
-102		U 64½
-110
11:00 AM
399South Florida+3½
-115		O 61
-105
400Tulane-3½
-105		U 61
-115
11:00 AM
401Iowa State+6½
-115		O 59
-105
402Oklahoma-6½
-105		U 59
-115
11:00 AM
405New Mexico State+35½
-110		O 59½
-110
406Kentucky-35½
-110		U 59½
-110
12:00 PM
341Texas State+22
-110		O 59
-105
342Coastal Carolina-22
-110		U 59
-115
01:00 PM
367Illinois+12½
-118		O 37½
-110
368Iowa-12½
-102		U 37½
-110
01:00 PM
415Arkansas State+16½
-110		O 62½
-110
416Georgia State-16½
-110		U 62½
-110
01:30 PM
375Georgia Tech+16
-115		O 59½
-105
376Notre Dame-16
-105		U 59½
-115
02:00 PM
373Washington-6
-110		O 43½
-110
374Colorado+6
-110		U 43½
-110
02:30 PM
325Virginia+13½
-105		O 67½
-110
326Pittsburgh-13½
-115		U 67½
-110
02:30 PM
327SMU+12½
-115		O 64½
-115
328Cincinnati-12½
-105		U 64½
-105
02:30 PM
343Michigan-14½
-115		O 54½
-110
344Maryland+14½
-105		U 54½
-110
02:30 PM
357Minnesota-6
-118		O 44
-110
358Indiana+6
-102		U 44
-110
02:30 PM
363Nebraska+11
-117		O 43
-110
364Wisconsin-11
-103		U 43
-110
02:30 PM
383East Carolina-4
-110		O 45½
-110
384Navy+4
-110		U 45½
-110
02:30 PM
389Appalachian State-9½
-110		O 52
-110
390Troy+9½
-110		U 52
-110
02:30 PM
393Old Dominion+4
-115		O 51
-110
394Middle Tennessee State-4
-105		U 51
-110
02:30 PM
395Arkansas+20
-105		O 55½
-115
396Alabama-20
-115		U 55½
-105
02:30 PM
407Marshall-14½
-110		O 61
-115
408Charlotte+14½
-110		U 61
-105
02:30 PM
409UAB+6
-110		O 53
-110
410UTSA-6
-110		U 53
-110
03:00 PM
331Connecticut+28½
+100		O 56
-110
332Central Florida-28½
-120		U 56
-110
03:00 PM
335Syracuse+12
-118		O 50½
-110
336NC State-12
-102		U 50½
-110
03:00 PM
345Florida-7
-120		O 69½
-110
346Missouri+7
+100		U 69½
-110
03:00 PM
353UL Lafayette+5
-120		O 53
-115
354Liberty-5
+100		U 53
-105
03:00 PM
381UCLA-3
-110		O 65½
-110
382USC+3
-110		U 65½
-110
03:00 PM
387Temple+21½
-110		O 51
-110
388Tulsa-21½
-110		U 51
-110
03:00 PM
403Kansas+22
-110		O 65½
-105
404TCU-22
-110		U 65½
-115
03:00 PM
417Rice+10
-107		O 48
-105
418UTEP-10
-113		U 48
-115
03:00 PM
419BYU-20
-110		O 56½
-115
420Georgia Southern+20
-110		U 56½
-105
04:30 PM
413Baylorpk
-110		O 50
-110
414Kansas Statepk
-110		U 50
-110
06:00 PM
377California-3½
-112		O 44
-110
378Stanford+3½
-108		U 44
-110
06:00 PM
385Auburn-10
-120		O 48
-105
386South Carolina+10
+100		U 48
-115
06:00 PM
421North Texas-9½
-113		O 59
-110
422Florida International+9½
-107		U 59
-110
06:30 PM
333Virginia Tech+7
-110		O 55
-110
334Miami Florida-7
-110		U 55
-110
06:30 PM
349South Alabama+27½
-105		O 63
-110
350Tennessee-27½
-115		U 63
-110
06:30 PM
371Oregon+3
+100		O 59½
-110
372Utah-3
-120		U 59½
-110
06:30 PM
391Vanderbilt+37
-120		O 63
-110
392Mississippi-37
+100		U 63
-110
07:00 PM
411Oklahoma State-10½
-110		O 57
-110
412Texas Tech+10½
-110		U 57
-110
07:00 PM
423Wyoming+6½
-118		O 52½
-110
424Utah State-6½
-102		U 52½
-110
08:00 PM
369New Mexico+27
-110		O 47½
-110
370Boise State-27
-110		U 47½
-110
08:00 PM
397UL Monroe+27½
+100		O 56½
-110
398LSU-27½
-120		U 56½
-110
09:30 PM
379Arizona State-2
-110		O 60
-107
380Oregon State+2
-110		U 60
-113
10:00 PM
425Colorado State-2½
-110		O 54
-110
426Hawaii+2½
-110		U 54
-110
 
Couple conference "playoff" games this week!

CUSA West - UAB - UTSA
ACC Atlantic - WF - Clemson (Clem needs to win and have WF lose next week)
ACC Coastal - UVA - Pitt
B1G East - MSU - OSU
PAC 12 - Ore - Utah (this should be P12 Title game preview)

New Mexico State back-to-back SEC road trips!
 
Frank Costanza said:
Texas is in a bad place mentally. Team may have checked out on Sarkisian and can't see Robinson playing with his elbow issue.
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Think the saving grace might be not having to play in Austin. I'll take 3 if it becomes available, would back up the brinks if they were laying points at home this week
 
KJ said:
Think the saving grace might be not having to play in Austin. I'll take 3 if it becomes available, would back up the brinks if they were laying points at home this week
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Herman's teams loved the road. This team will fold up on it.
 
If Aranda can turn this team around after OU and beat a decent K-State team in Manahattan then he is a step above.

Can't see it happening, at all.
 
Couple initial thoughts:

Looks like we gonna keep getting value w Bc! I’ll take -3 against noles all day please.

Hoosiers look done to me, gophers outta boat race them.

I think Gtech can stay within that number against Irish.

Cincy laying too many me thinks, not sure they can shut down smu offense amd they not all that explosive when they have ball.

Lot of gross games on the card this week.
 
wake forest dogged to clemson ? hasn't wake been better all year by a considerable margin ? I just think you gotta take wake what am i missing here

I watched the BC-Gtech game - that bc defense is bad. Like the va tech game looks like a mirage. I can see florida state running on bc here with the dual threat qb runs - sure bc is gonna score themselves, think they go from an under team to an over team with jurkovic . BC beat va tech without their qb and ? FSU has some decent wins.

auburn - if we take away any situational factors is 3 -4 scores better than south carolina. Shouldn't they be motivated off a loss ? South carolina game vs florida looks like a mirage since florida d gave up 100 to samford. I'll say it's a tough environment to play on road at night , kentucky found out too - but I think auburn could roll here. I just think the cocks suck.

-lotta points in columbus i know the sparty pass d sucks but ohio state doesn't cover vs purdue without 2 fumbles by purdue. sparty a good team and tucker a good dog. buckeyes d looks bad. Did we forget oh state couldn't cover vs nebraska and penn state ?
 
EL CAPO said:
auburn - if we take away any situational factors is 3 -4 scores better than south carolina. Shouldn't they be motivated off a loss ? South carolina game vs florida looks like a mirage since florida d gave up 100 to samford. I'll say it's a tough environment to play on road at night , kentucky found out too - but I think auburn could roll here. I just think the cocks suck.
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Cocks do suck cock but I put about 1000x more importance in next week v Bama than coming off a loss as far as motivation. Beating Bama is their season really, this week isn't. Throw in the Nix injury, this is about as look ahead as a game gets for me prior to kickoff. And S Carolina has Clemson on deck but it's not remotely close to what it normally is this year.

You'd be surprised if SCary won? I'll be surprised if they aren't within a score or defending the lead on the final drive.
 
KJ said:
Cocks do suck cock but I put about 1000x more importance in next week v Bama than coming off a loss as far as motivation. Beating Bama is their season really, this week isn't. Throw in the Nix injury, this is about as look ahead as a game gets for me prior to kickoff. And S Carolina has Clemson on deck but it's not remotely close to what it normally is this year.

You'd be surprised if SCary won? I'll be surprised if they aren't within a score or defending the lead on the final drive.
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without nix i wouldn't be surprised - just saw he's out......do you have data on how auburn has performed week before bama ats ? I totally get it, but sometimes those things are not 100%. When I'm betting I think I want the matchup first, and then the situation second. - but this one may just be a situationally deal - and without nix I'm not sure how auburn does on the all things being equal front either. Is the auburn offense completely garbage without him ? didn't they bench nix earlier in the year ?
 
KJ said:
And S Carolina has Clemson on deck but it's not remotely close to what it normally is this year.
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Just because we don't think the Clemson game would be big for SC doesn't mean it isn't for them. First year coach, has had some success. I'm sure they believe they have a shot. Look ahead as by both teams would cancel out?
 
Not sure is there is a Bobo angle? Auburn OC. Carolina OC and interim last year.
 
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EL CAPO said:
without nix i wouldn't be surprised - just saw he's out......do you have data on how auburn has performed week before bama ats ? I totally get it, but sometimes those things are not 100%. When I'm betting I think I want the matchup first, and then the situation second. - but this one may just be a situationally deal - and without nix I'm not sure how auburn does on the all things being equal front either. Is the auburn offense completely garbage without him ? didn't they bench nix earlier in the year ?
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I hate data and history lol

Guess we don't converse much but prior stats only set a blue print for me, I'm situational only

I see no reason that Auburn remotely cares about playing SCary this week, they blew the game hard yesterday after a quick start and Bams on deck, not sure what motivates them this week

Auburn are already bowl eligible, Cocks need one win to get there
 
s--k said:
Just because we don't think the Clemson game would be big for SC doesn't mean it isn't for them. First year coach, has had some success. I'm sure they believe they have a shot. Look ahead as by both teams would cancel out?
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Just typed it, Aub is bowl eligible, SC needs a win. Don't see the look ahead as equal at all

Not like I'm not wrong damn near 50% of the time but this is a juicy one where I like SC a lot
 
I suppose the thinking with Clemson is perhaps defensively they pose a challenge to WF and WF off two straight knock down games vs NC and NC St. WF was dogged vs NC and a shorter than normal HF vs State. They wouldn't be favored at Clemson.
 
Miami Oh and Kent play next week to decide the East. I don't think it matters if one or both were to lose this week. So there is another look ahead spot. @2daBank is this your Akron ML game? Kent O ran them out of stadium 2nd H last year as I recall.
 
s--k said:
Miami Oh and Kent play next week to decide the East. I don't think it matters if one or both were to lose this week. So there is another look ahead spot. @2daBank is this your Akron ML game? Kent O ran them out of stadium 2nd H last year as I recall.
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Maybe! I was looking for Akron amd didn’t see them in the weeknight games, was wondering what the hell then I saw they were playing Kent on Saturday. My 1st thought wasn’t that tho, my 1st thought was “fuck Kent is gonna score a lot of points!”, lol. They been known to shoo themselves in foot tho, I dunno, I’m gonna have to think bout.
 
Would be interesting to know if any distractions were in play during USC's unexpected off week. All, or almost all depending, those coaches will need new jobs next year. If UCLA plays like they did in the 2nd H vs CU then 3 is way short. Still think USC is close to unbettable without London.
 
Nevada could be demoralized off that SDSt loss and their shot at the division is gone now.
 
s--k said:
Would be interesting to know if any distractions were in play during USC's unexpected off week. All, or almost all depending, those coaches will need new jobs next year. If UCLA plays like they did in the 2nd H vs CU then 3 is way short. Still think USC is close to unbettable without London.
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I've actually been successful with this rivalry betting against what makes any sense and took +3. Will ML it too. Not that UCLA is any good but this has to be USC's only saving grace this season.
 
syracuse +12 , what would this line be before last week ? I think it'd be nc state -5 or something, cuse had 1 stinker but competed every game besides that. Maybe they just were flat ? nc state good against the run but seems like alot of points
 
EL CAPO said:
wake forest dogged to clemson ? hasn't wake been better all year by a considerable margin ?
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Clemson has been slightly better by about a point per game, which explains the 4-point number.

UNC, State, and Clemson are by far the three biggest games on Wake's schedule, and Clemson gets Wake when they must be a bit drained.
 
s--k said:
I suppose the thinking with Clemson is perhaps defensively they pose a challenge to WF and WF off two straight knock down games vs NC and NC St. WF was dogged vs NC and a shorter than normal HF vs State. They wouldn't be favored at Clemson.
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Right. Clemson would be favored by 7+ at home over UNC.
 
KJ said:
I've actually been successful with this rivalry betting against what makes any sense and took +3. Will ML it too. Not that UCLA is any good but this has to be USC's only saving grace this season.
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It could be, if they care about a saving grace. They haven't care about much else. UCLA has lost the last 2 in series also.
 
EL CAPO said:
without nix i wouldn't be surprised - just saw he's out......do you have data on how auburn has performed week before bama ats ?
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For about 15 years Auburn has been playing non-conference cupcakes or had an open date before Bama. They haven't played an SEC opponent the week before Alabama in a long, long time.
 
EL CAPO said:
syracuse +12 , what would this line be before last week ? I think it'd be nc state -5 or something, cuse had 1 stinker but competed every game besides that. Maybe they just were flat ? nc state good against the run but seems like alot of points
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I agree my 1st thought was that way too high.
 
s--k said:
It could be, if they care about a saving grace. They haven't care about much else. UCLA has lost the last 2 in series also.
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USC has been so out of sorts about more than just athletics lately. The NCAA need USC to be good and UCLA to randomly upset them to screw them. Scripts are flipped this year but I do miss those days. Bruins were fun to bet into those Trojan teams 15 years ago or so
 
M.W. said:
Clemson has been slightly better by about a point per game, which explains the 4-point number.

UNC, State, and Clemson are by far the three biggest games on Wake's schedule, and Clemson gets Wake when they must be a bit drained.
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true wake hasn't been winning by margin by much, guess my perception here is clemson faced 1 team with some dynamic ability in the pass game and lost. Out yardaged vs louisville, on the whole feels like wake has been better. Clemson barely hanging on in games. Tend to lean that the difference in offensive explosiveness may be bigger than the difference in defensive ability in this game
 
KJ said:
I've actually been successful with this rivalry betting against what makes any sense and took +3. Will ML it too. Not that UCLA is any good but this has to be USC's only saving grace this season.
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Is the talent even? If so, it will show. The throw-out-the-records thing works when the problem is coaching or internal discord rather than a talent imbalance.
 
2daBank said:
Couple initial thoughts:

Looks like we gonna keep getting value w Bc! I’ll take -3 against noles all day please.

Hoosiers look done to me, gophers outta boat race them.

I think Gtech can stay within that number against Irish.

Cincy laying too many me thinks, not sure they can shut down smu offense amd they not all that explosive when they have ball.

Lot of gross games on the card this week.
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Not sure if cincy should be laying 12 to anyone decent right now let alone a solid smu squad
 
EL CAPO said:
syracuse +12 , what would this line be before last week ? I think it'd be nc state -5 or something, cuse had 1 stinker but competed every game besides that. Maybe they just were flat ? nc state good against the run but seems like alot of points
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I realize the result was super bad but I think ville/ncst are pretty close to equal, when they played they were until Cunningham got banged up. Cuse was just +3 at ville, it insane they now getting dd. Anything more than a td is way off imo. Cuse played them within a td last year and I think they a much better team now.
 
M.W. said:
Clemson has been slightly better by about a point per game, which explains the 4-point number.

UNC, State, and Clemson are by far the three biggest games on Wake's schedule, and Clemson gets Wake when they must be a bit drained.
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Can't explain it but Wake/Clemson feels like a fun, high scoring game where neither defense has much more than 75% to offer

If there was an o99.5 I would take it for shits n gigs
 
survive&advance said:
Not sure if cincy should be laying 12 to anyone decent right now let alone a solid smu squad
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Pretty much agree, style wise I don’t think this the best matchup for them either. Smu not bad defending the run so think ridder gonna have to score w them. They did totally shut down smu offense last year, I dunno, I’m not a fan of thinkng they can just flip a switch and they been playing some suspect ass d for a month now. Smu is also protects the qb well and has multiple weapons so can’t take them all away. I can’t believe I’m saying this cause I’ve loved this cincy team for couple years now but I think they on upset alert. Maybe I’m being reactionary, I dunno?
 
KJ said:
Can't explain it but Wake/Clemson feels like a fun, high scoring game where neither defense has much more than 75% to offer

If there was an o99.5 I would take it for shits n gigs
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Really not that much a limb considering wake makes even army shoot it out with them!! Surely clemson can score for a change and I don’t think they stopping wake!
 
EL CAPO said:
true wake hasn't been winning by margin by much, guess my perception here is clemson faced 1 team with some dynamic ability in the pass game and lost. Out yardaged vs louisville, on the whole feels like wake has been better. Clemson barely hanging on in games. Tend to lean that the difference in offensive explosiveness may be bigger than the difference in defensive ability in this game
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Clemson held this year's likely national chamions to ZERO points on offense. Let's keep things in perspective. Hartman's been under 50% the last two weeks with 5 interceptions.
 
M.W. said:
Clemson held this year's likely national chamions to ZERO points on offense. Let's keep things in perspective. Hartman's been under 50% the last two weeks with 5 interceptions.
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I just can't comprehend an effort against Wake to that one. I guess it concerns me you think they'll be great on D as someone close there, I just can't see the interest from either team as far as effort. Seems an up and down game from the gun
 
I really didn’t see any of ncst/wake, how the hell did wake score 45? Their numbers don’t look anywhere close to that??
 
Just looking at box score id like to take this time to reiterate how stupid ncst play callers are., 12 carries with those 2 stud rbs against that wake defense? That is beyond ignorant and the very reason I said I couldn’t play that game. They should have controlled that game instead of playing it to wakes liking. I bet clemson pounds Shipley, that could change a lot!
 
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