Week 12 Discussion Thread

[VirginiaCavs]

Nov 16 Tue 2021

06:00 PM
303	Toledo	-6 -120		O 53½ -115
304	Ohio	+6 +100		U 53½ -105

06:30 PM
301	Western Michigan	-5 -110		O 67½ -115
302	Eastern Michigan	+5 -110		U 67½ -105

07:00 PM
305	Bowling Green	+16 -110		O 50 -115
306	Miami Ohio	-16 -110		U 50 -105

Nov 17 Wed 2021

06:00 PM
307	Central Michigan	+2½ -110		O 62 -110
308	Ball State	-2½ -110		U 62 -110

06:00 PM
309	Northern Illinois	-2½ -110		O 64 -110
310	Buffalo	+2½ -110		U 64 -110

Nov 18 Thu 2021

06:30 PM
313	Louisville	-19½ -113		O 59½ -110
314	Duke	+19½ -107		U 59½ -110

Nov 19 Fri 2021

07:00 PM
315	Southern Miss	+17 -120		O 51 -110
316	Louisiana Tech	-17 +100		U 51 -110

08:00 PM
317	Memphis	+9½ -115		O 60 -110
318	Houston	-9½ -105		U 60 -110

08:00 PM
319	Arizona	+15 -110		O 51 -115
320	Washington State	-15 -110		U 51 -105

08:00 PM
321	Air Force	+1½ -105		O 53 -105
322	Nevada	-1½ -115		U 53 -115

10:30 PM
323	San Diego State	-12 -110		O 40½ -110
324	UNLV	+12 -110		U 40½ -110

Nov 20 Sat 2021

11:00 AM
329	Massachusetts	+37 -105		O 56 -110
330	Army	-37 -115		U 56 -110

11:00 AM
337	Kent State	-13½ -110		O 73 -110
338	Akron	+13½ -110		U 73 -110

11:00 AM
339	Michigan State	+19½ -105		O 67 -105
340	Ohio State	-19½ -115		U 67 -115

11:00 AM
347	Texas	+2½ -110		O 58½ -110
348	West Virginia	-2½ -110		U 58½ -110

11:00 AM
351	Florida State	+3 -116		O 54 -115
352	Boston College	-3 -104		U 54 -105

11:00 AM
355	Purdue	-11 -110		O 49½ -105
356	Northwestern	+11 -110		U 49½ -115

11:00 AM
359	Rutgers	+17 -105		O 46 -110
360	Penn State	-17 -115		U 46 -110

11:00 AM
361	Wake Forest	+3½ -105		O 56½ -115
362	Clemson	-3½ -115		U 56½ -105

11:00 AM
365	Florida Atlantic	+11 -118		O 64½ -110
366	Western Kentucky	-11 -102		U 64½ -110

11:00 AM
399	South Florida	+3½ -115		O 61 -105
400	Tulane	-3½ -105		U 61 -115

11:00 AM
401	Iowa State	+6½ -115		O 59 -105
402	Oklahoma	-6½ -105		U 59 -115

11:00 AM
405	New Mexico State	+35½ -110		O 59½ -110
406	Kentucky	-35½ -110		U 59½ -110

12:00 PM
341	Texas State	+22 -110		O 59 -105
342	Coastal Carolina	-22 -110		U 59 -115

01:00 PM
367	Illinois	+12½ -118		O 37½ -110
368	Iowa	-12½ -102		U 37½ -110

01:00 PM
415	Arkansas State	+16½ -110		O 62½ -110
416	Georgia State	-16½ -110		U 62½ -110

01:30 PM
375	Georgia Tech	+16 -115		O 59½ -105
376	Notre Dame	-16 -105		U 59½ -115

02:00 PM
373	Washington	-6 -110		O 43½ -110
374	Colorado	+6 -110		U 43½ -110

02:30 PM
325	Virginia	+13½ -105		O 67½ -110
326	Pittsburgh	-13½ -115		U 67½ -110

02:30 PM
327	SMU	+12½ -115		O 64½ -115
328	Cincinnati	-12½ -105		U 64½ -105

02:30 PM
343	Michigan	-14½ -115		O 54½ -110
344	Maryland	+14½ -105		U 54½ -110

02:30 PM
357	Minnesota	-6 -118		O 44 -110
358	Indiana	+6 -102		U 44 -110

02:30 PM
363	Nebraska	+11 -117		O 43 -110
364	Wisconsin	-11 -103		U 43 -110

02:30 PM
383	East Carolina	-4 -110		O 45½ -110
384	Navy	+4 -110		U 45½ -110

02:30 PM
389	Appalachian State	-9½ -110		O 52 -110
390	Troy	+9½ -110		U 52 -110

02:30 PM
393	Old Dominion	+4 -115		O 51 -110
394	Middle Tennessee State	-4 -105		U 51 -110

02:30 PM
395	Arkansas	+20 -105		O 55½ -115
396	Alabama	-20 -115		U 55½ -105

02:30 PM
407	Marshall	-14½ -110		O 61 -115
408	Charlotte	+14½ -110		U 61 -105

02:30 PM
409	UAB	+6 -110		O 53 -110
410	UTSA	-6 -110		U 53 -110

03:00 PM
331	Connecticut	+28½ +100		O 56 -110
332	Central Florida	-28½ -120		U 56 -110

03:00 PM
335	Syracuse	+12 -118		O 50½ -110
336	NC State	-12 -102		U 50½ -110

03:00 PM
345	Florida	-7 -120		O 69½ -110
346	Missouri	+7 +100		U 69½ -110

03:00 PM
353	UL Lafayette	+5 -120		O 53 -115
354	Liberty	-5 +100		U 53 -105

03:00 PM
381	UCLA	-3 -110		O 65½ -110
382	USC	+3 -110		U 65½ -110

03:00 PM
387	Temple	+21½ -110		O 51 -110
388	Tulsa	-21½ -110		U 51 -110

03:00 PM
403	Kansas	+22 -110		O 65½ -105
404	TCU	-22 -110		U 65½ -115

03:00 PM
417	Rice	+10 -107		O 48 -105
418	UTEP	-10 -113		U 48 -115

03:00 PM
419	BYU	-20 -110		O 56½ -115
420	Georgia Southern	+20 -110		U 56½ -105

04:30 PM
413	Baylor	pk -110		O 50 -110
414	Kansas State	pk -110		U 50 -110

06:00 PM
377	California	-3½ -112		O 44 -110
378	Stanford	+3½ -108		U 44 -110

06:00 PM
385	Auburn	-10 -120		O 48 -105
386	South Carolina	+10 +100		U 48 -115

06:00 PM
421	North Texas	-9½ -113		O 59 -110
422	Florida International	+9½ -107		U 59 -110

06:30 PM
333	Virginia Tech	+7 -110		O 55 -110
334	Miami Florida	-7 -110		U 55 -110

06:30 PM
349	South Alabama	+27½ -105		O 63 -110
350	Tennessee	-27½ -115		U 63 -110

06:30 PM
371	Oregon	+3 +100		O 59½ -110
372	Utah	-3 -120		U 59½ -110

06:30 PM
391	Vanderbilt	+37 -120		O 63 -110
392	Mississippi	-37 +100		U 63 -110

07:00 PM
411	Oklahoma State	-10½ -110		O 57 -110
412	Texas Tech	+10½ -110		U 57 -110

07:00 PM
423	Wyoming	+6½ -118		O 52½ -110
424	Utah State	-6½ -102		U 52½ -110

08:00 PM
369	New Mexico	+27 -110		O 47½ -110
370	Boise State	-27 -110		U 47½ -110

08:00 PM
397	UL Monroe	+27½ +100		O 56½ -110
398	LSU	-27½ -120		U 56½ -110

09:30 PM
379	Arizona State	-2 -110		O 60 -107
380	Oregon State	+2 -110		U 60 -113

10:00 PM
425	Colorado State	-2½ -110		O 54 -110
426	Hawaii	+2½ -110		U 54 -110

 

[survive&advance]

msu osu over...osu should put up 50+

 

[CPA-hole]

Anyone want to lay 17 with PSU this week? Clifford took an absolute beating. I don't see them getting off the mat this week.

 

[Ticketwindow]

Scary plus points for me please. Auburn melting down with Bama next.

 

[KJ]

Scary plus points for me please. Auburn melting down with Bama next.

Man I hate betting on that team but it's correct logic in my world. Good call.

 

[s--k]

Couple conference "playoff" games this week!

CUSA West - UAB - UTSA
ACC Atlantic - WF - Clemson (Clem needs to win and have WF lose next week)
ACC Coastal - UVA - Pitt
B1G East - MSU - OSU
PAC 12 - Ore - Utah (this should be P12 Title game preview)

New Mexico State back-to-back SEC road trips!

 

[Frank Costanza]

Texas is in a bad place mentally. Team may have checked out on Sarkisian and can't see Robinson playing with his elbow issue.

 

[Frank Costanza]

Scary plus points for me please. Auburn melting down with Bama next.

May be the best play of the day.

 

[Frank Costanza]

Anyone want to lay 17 with PSU this week? Clifford took an absolute beating. I don't see them getting off the mat this week.

Clifford may be in a medically induced coma as we speak.

 

[KJ]

Texas is in a bad place mentally. Team may have checked out on Sarkisian and can't see Robinson playing with his elbow issue.

Think the saving grace might be not having to play in Austin. I'll take 3 if it becomes available, would back up the brinks if they were laying points at home this week

 

[Frank Costanza]

Think the saving grace might be not having to play in Austin. I'll take 3 if it becomes available, would back up the brinks if they were laying points at home this week

Herman's teams loved the road. This team will fold up on it.

 

[Frank Costanza]

K State all day.

Baylor will be celebrating the OU win until Tuesday.

 

[KJ]

K State all day.

Baylor will be celebrating the OU win until Tuesday.

Baylor's been the easiest home/road team for me to figure out in quite awhile and the situation only helps

 

[Frank Costanza]

If Aranda can turn this team around after OU and beat a decent K-State team in Manahattan then he is a step above.

Can't see it happening, at all.

 

[2daBank]

Couple initial thoughts:

Looks like we gonna keep getting value w Bc! I’ll take -3 against noles all day please.

Hoosiers look done to me, gophers outta boat race them.

I think Gtech can stay within that number against Irish.

Cincy laying too many me thinks, not sure they can shut down smu offense amd they not all that explosive when they have ball.

Lot of gross games on the card this week.

 

[EL CAPO]

wake forest dogged to clemson ? hasn't wake been better all year by a considerable margin ? I just think you gotta take wake what am i missing here

I watched the BC-Gtech game - that bc defense is bad. Like the va tech game looks like a mirage. I can see florida state running on bc here with the dual threat qb runs - sure bc is gonna score themselves, think they go from an under team to an over team with jurkovic . BC beat va tech without their qb and ? FSU has some decent wins.

auburn - if we take away any situational factors is 3 -4 scores better than south carolina. Shouldn't they be motivated off a loss ? South carolina game vs florida looks like a mirage since florida d gave up 100 to samford. I'll say it's a tough environment to play on road at night , kentucky found out too - but I think auburn could roll here. I just think the cocks suck.

-lotta points in columbus i know the sparty pass d sucks but ohio state doesn't cover vs purdue without 2 fumbles by purdue. sparty a good team and tucker a good dog. buckeyes d looks bad. Did we forget oh state couldn't cover vs nebraska and penn state ?

 

[captjohn67]

Bo Nix releases statement after reports of injury requiring surgery

 

[KJ]

auburn - if we take away any situational factors is 3 -4 scores better than south carolina. Shouldn't they be motivated off a loss ? South carolina game vs florida looks like a mirage since florida d gave up 100 to samford. I'll say it's a tough environment to play on road at night , kentucky found out too - but I think auburn could roll here. I just think the cocks suck.

Cocks do suck cock but I put about 1000x more importance in next week v Bama than coming off a loss as far as motivation. Beating Bama is their season really, this week isn't. Throw in the Nix injury, this is about as look ahead as a game gets for me prior to kickoff. And S Carolina has Clemson on deck but it's not remotely close to what it normally is this year.

You'd be surprised if SCary won? I'll be surprised if they aren't within a score or defending the lead on the final drive.

 

[EL CAPO]

Cocks do suck cock but I put about 1000x more importance in next week v Bama than coming off a loss as far as motivation. Beating Bama is their season really, this week isn't. Throw in the Nix injury, this is about as look ahead as a game gets for me prior to kickoff. And S Carolina has Clemson on deck but it's not remotely close to what it normally is this year.

You'd be surprised if SCary won? I'll be surprised if they aren't within a score or defending the lead on the final drive.

without nix i wouldn't be surprised - just saw he's out......do you have data on how auburn has performed week before bama ats ? I totally get it, but sometimes those things are not 100%. When I'm betting I think I want the matchup first, and then the situation second. - but this one may just be a situationally deal - and without nix I'm not sure how auburn does on the all things being equal front either. Is the auburn offense completely garbage without him ? didn't they bench nix earlier in the year ?

 

[M.W.]

Scary plus points for me please. Auburn melting down with Bama next.

South Carolina is more likely to be looking ahead.

 

[s--k]

And S Carolina has Clemson on deck but it's not remotely close to what it normally is this year.

Just because we don't think the Clemson game would be big for SC doesn't mean it isn't for them. First year coach, has had some success. I'm sure they believe they have a shot. Look ahead as by both teams would cancel out?

 

[s--k]

Not sure is there is a Bobo angle? Auburn OC. Carolina OC and interim last year.

 

[KJ]

without nix i wouldn't be surprised - just saw he's out......do you have data on how auburn has performed week before bama ats ? I totally get it, but sometimes those things are not 100%. When I'm betting I think I want the matchup first, and then the situation second. - but this one may just be a situationally deal - and without nix I'm not sure how auburn does on the all things being equal front either. Is the auburn offense completely garbage without him ? didn't they bench nix earlier in the year ?

I hate data and history lol

Guess we don't converse much but prior stats only set a blue print for me, I'm situational only

I see no reason that Auburn remotely cares about playing SCary this week, they blew the game hard yesterday after a quick start and Bams on deck, not sure what motivates them this week

Auburn are already bowl eligible, Cocks need one win to get there

 

[KJ]

Just because we don't think the Clemson game would be big for SC doesn't mean it isn't for them. First year coach, has had some success. I'm sure they believe they have a shot. Look ahead as by both teams would cancel out?

Just typed it, Aub is bowl eligible, SC needs a win. Don't see the look ahead as equal at all

Not like I'm not wrong damn near 50% of the time but this is a juicy one where I like SC a lot

 

[s--k]

I suppose the thinking with Clemson is perhaps defensively they pose a challenge to WF and WF off two straight knock down games vs NC and NC St. WF was dogged vs NC and a shorter than normal HF vs State. They wouldn't be favored at Clemson.

 

[s--k]

Miami Oh and Kent play next week to decide the East. I don't think it matters if one or both were to lose this week. So there is another look ahead spot. @2daBank is this your Akron ML game? Kent O ran them out of stadium 2nd H last year as I recall.

 

[2daBank]

Miami Oh and Kent play next week to decide the East. I don't think it matters if one or both were to lose this week. So there is another look ahead spot. @2daBank is this your Akron ML game? Kent O ran them out of stadium 2nd H last year as I recall.

Maybe! I was looking for Akron amd didn’t see them in the weeknight games, was wondering what the hell then I saw they were playing Kent on Saturday. My 1st thought wasn’t that tho, my 1st thought was “fuck Kent is gonna score a lot of points!”, lol. They been known to shoo themselves in foot tho, I dunno, I’m gonna have to think bout.

 

[s--k]

Would be interesting to know if any distractions were in play during USC's unexpected off week. All, or almost all depending, those coaches will need new jobs next year. If UCLA plays like they did in the 2nd H vs CU then 3 is way short. Still think USC is close to unbettable without London.

 

[s--k]

Nevada could be demoralized off that SDSt loss and their shot at the division is gone now.

 

[KJ]

Would be interesting to know if any distractions were in play during USC's unexpected off week. All, or almost all depending, those coaches will need new jobs next year. If UCLA plays like they did in the 2nd H vs CU then 3 is way short. Still think USC is close to unbettable without London.

I've actually been successful with this rivalry betting against what makes any sense and took +3. Will ML it too. Not that UCLA is any good but this has to be USC's only saving grace this season.

 

[EL CAPO]

syracuse +12 , what would this line be before last week ? I think it'd be nc state -5 or something, cuse had 1 stinker but competed every game besides that. Maybe they just were flat ? nc state good against the run but seems like alot of points

 

[M.W.]

wake forest dogged to clemson ? hasn't wake been better all year by a considerable margin ?

Clemson has been slightly better by about a point per game, which explains the 4-point number.

UNC, State, and Clemson are by far the three biggest games on Wake's schedule, and Clemson gets Wake when they must be a bit drained.

 

[M.W.]

I suppose the thinking with Clemson is perhaps defensively they pose a challenge to WF and WF off two straight knock down games vs NC and NC St. WF was dogged vs NC and a shorter than normal HF vs State. They wouldn't be favored at Clemson.

Right. Clemson would be favored by 7+ at home over UNC.

 

[s--k]

I've actually been successful with this rivalry betting against what makes any sense and took +3. Will ML it too. Not that UCLA is any good but this has to be USC's only saving grace this season.

It could be, if they care about a saving grace. They haven't care about much else. UCLA has lost the last 2 in series also.

 

[M.W.]

without nix i wouldn't be surprised - just saw he's out......do you have data on how auburn has performed week before bama ats ?

For about 15 years Auburn has been playing non-conference cupcakes or had an open date before Bama. They haven't played an SEC opponent the week before Alabama in a long, long time.

 

[2daBank]

syracuse +12 , what would this line be before last week ? I think it'd be nc state -5 or something, cuse had 1 stinker but competed every game besides that. Maybe they just were flat ? nc state good against the run but seems like alot of points

I agree my 1st thought was that way too high.

 

[KJ]

It could be, if they care about a saving grace. They haven't care about much else. UCLA has lost the last 2 in series also.

USC has been so out of sorts about more than just athletics lately. The NCAA need USC to be good and UCLA to randomly upset them to screw them. Scripts are flipped this year but I do miss those days. Bruins were fun to bet into those Trojan teams 15 years ago or so

 

[EL CAPO]

Clemson has been slightly better by about a point per game, which explains the 4-point number.

UNC, State, and Clemson are by far the three biggest games on Wake's schedule, and Clemson gets Wake when they must be a bit drained.

true wake hasn't been winning by margin by much, guess my perception here is clemson faced 1 team with some dynamic ability in the pass game and lost. Out yardaged vs louisville, on the whole feels like wake has been better. Clemson barely hanging on in games. Tend to lean that the difference in offensive explosiveness may be bigger than the difference in defensive ability in this game

 

[M.W.]

I've actually been successful with this rivalry betting against what makes any sense and took +3. Will ML it too. Not that UCLA is any good but this has to be USC's only saving grace this season.

Is the talent even? If so, it will show. The throw-out-the-records thing works when the problem is coaching or internal discord rather than a talent imbalance.

 

[survive&advance]

Couple initial thoughts:

Looks like we gonna keep getting value w Bc! I’ll take -3 against noles all day please.

Hoosiers look done to me, gophers outta boat race them.

I think Gtech can stay within that number against Irish.

Cincy laying too many me thinks, not sure they can shut down smu offense amd they not all that explosive when they have ball.

Lot of gross games on the card this week.

Not sure if cincy should be laying 12 to anyone decent right now let alone a solid smu squad

 

[2daBank]

syracuse +12 , what would this line be before last week ? I think it'd be nc state -5 or something, cuse had 1 stinker but competed every game besides that. Maybe they just were flat ? nc state good against the run but seems like alot of points

I realize the result was super bad but I think ville/ncst are pretty close to equal, when they played they were until Cunningham got banged up. Cuse was just +3 at ville, it insane they now getting dd. Anything more than a td is way off imo. Cuse played them within a td last year and I think they a much better team now.

 

[KJ]

Clemson has been slightly better by about a point per game, which explains the 4-point number.

UNC, State, and Clemson are by far the three biggest games on Wake's schedule, and Clemson gets Wake when they must be a bit drained.

Can't explain it but Wake/Clemson feels like a fun, high scoring game where neither defense has much more than 75% to offer

If there was an o99.5 I would take it for shits n gigs

 

[2daBank]

Not sure if cincy should be laying 12 to anyone decent right now let alone a solid smu squad

Pretty much agree, style wise I don’t think this the best matchup for them either. Smu not bad defending the run so think ridder gonna have to score w them. They did totally shut down smu offense last year, I dunno, I’m not a fan of thinkng they can just flip a switch and they been playing some suspect ass d for a month now. Smu is also protects the qb well and has multiple weapons so can’t take them all away. I can’t believe I’m saying this cause I’ve loved this cincy team for couple years now but I think they on upset alert. Maybe I’m being reactionary, I dunno?

 

[2daBank]

Can't explain it but Wake/Clemson feels like a fun, high scoring game where neither defense has much more than 75% to offer

If there was an o99.5 I would take it for shits n gigs

Really not that much a limb considering wake makes even army shoot it out with them!! Surely clemson can score for a change and I don’t think they stopping wake!

 

[M.W.]

true wake hasn't been winning by margin by much, guess my perception here is clemson faced 1 team with some dynamic ability in the pass game and lost. Out yardaged vs louisville, on the whole feels like wake has been better. Clemson barely hanging on in games. Tend to lean that the difference in offensive explosiveness may be bigger than the difference in defensive ability in this game

Clemson held this year's likely national chamions to ZERO points on offense. Let's keep things in perspective. Hartman's been under 50% the last two weeks with 5 interceptions.

 

[KJ]

Clemson held this year's likely national chamions to ZERO points on offense. Let's keep things in perspective. Hartman's been under 50% the last two weeks with 5 interceptions.

I just can't comprehend an effort against Wake to that one. I guess it concerns me you think they'll be great on D as someone close there, I just can't see the interest from either team as far as effort. Seems an up and down game from the gun

 

[2daBank]

I really didn’t see any of ncst/wake, how the hell did wake score 45? Their numbers don’t look anywhere close to that??

 

[KJ]

I really didn’t see any of ncst/wake, how the hell did wake score 45? Their numbers don’t look anywhere close to that??

You need to look up the game and read the PxP for the final couple minutes of each half. You'll understand.

 

[2daBank]

Just looking at box score id like to take this time to reiterate how stupid ncst play callers are., 12 carries with those 2 stud rbs against that wake defense? That is beyond ignorant and the very reason I said I couldn’t play that game. They should have controlled that game instead of playing it to wakes liking. I bet clemson pounds Shipley, that could change a lot!

 

[2daBank]

You need to look up the game and read the PxP for the final couple minutes of each half. You'll understand.

I will, havnt gotten to yet