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<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=Column_Date_Headers_Odds><TD colSpan=7>MLB Baseball - Thu 5/15

</TD></TR><TR class=Column_Headers_Odds><TD colSpan=3>Game</TD><TD>Run Line</TD><TD>Money Line</TD><TD>Total Runs</TD><TD>More</TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>951</TD><TD>Los Angeles Dodgers
C. Billingsley</TD><TD>+1.5 -179</TD><TD>+120</TD><TD>OVER 8.5 +121</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>10:05 AM</TD><TD>952</TD><TD>Milwaukee Brewers
B. Sheets</TD><TD>-1.5 +169</TD><TD>-128</TD><TD>UNDER 8.5 -131</TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>953</TD><TD>Washington Nationals
J. Bergmann</TD><TD>+1.5 -137</TD><TD>+157</TD><TD>OVER 9.5 -105</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>10:10 AM</TD><TD>954</TD><TD>New York Mets
M. Pelfrey</TD><TD>-1.5 +127</TD><TD>-165</TD><TD>UNDER 9.5 -105</TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>955</TD><TD>Pittsburgh Pirates
I. Snell</TD><TD>+1.5 -180</TD><TD>+112</TD><TD>OVER 9 +115</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>10:15 AM</TD><TD>956</TD><TD>St Louis Cardinals
J. Pineiro</TD><TD>-1.5 +170</TD><TD>-120</TD><TD>UNDER 9 -125</TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>957</TD><TD>San Diego Padres
G. Maddux</TD><TD></TD><TD>+132</TD><TD></TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>11:20 AM</TD><TD>958</TD><TD>Chicago Cubs
R. Dempster</TD><TD></TD><TD>-140</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>959</TD><TD>Houston Astros
C. Sampson</TD><TD>+1.5 -171</TD><TD>+124</TD><TD>OVER 8 -115</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>12:45 PM</TD><TD>960</TD><TD>San Francisco Giants
T. Lincecum</TD><TD>-1.5 +161</TD><TD>-132</TD><TD>UNDER 8 +105</TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>961</TD><TD>Atlanta Braves
C. James</TD><TD>+1.5 -136</TD><TD>+159</TD><TD>OVER 9 +100</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>04:05 PM</TD><TD>962</TD><TD>Philadelphia Phillies
C. Hamels</TD><TD>-1.5 +126</TD><TD>-167</TD><TD>UNDER 9 -110</TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>963</TD><TD>Florida Marlins
A. Miller</TD><TD>+1.5 -191</TD><TD>+100</TD><TD>OVER 10 +116</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>04:10 PM</TD><TD>964</TD><TD>Cincinnati Reds
M. Belisle</TD><TD>-1.5 +178</TD><TD>-108</TD><TD>UNDER 10 -126</TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>965</TD><TD>Colorado Rockies
A. Cook</TD><TD>+1.5 -151</TD><TD>+149</TD><TD>OVER 8 -111</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>06:40 PM</TD><TD>966</TD><TD>Arizona D-Backs
B. Webb</TD><TD>-1.5 +141</TD><TD>-157</TD><TD>UNDER 8 +101</TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>967</TD><TD>Oakland Athletics
G. Smith</TD><TD>+1.5 -156</TD><TD>+137</TD><TD>OVER 8 -103</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>09:05 AM</TD><TD>968</TD><TD>Cleveland Indians
A. Laffey</TD><TD>-1.5 +146</TD><TD>-145</TD><TD>UNDER 8 -107</TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>969</TD><TD>Toronto Blue Jays
D. McGowan</TD><TD>-1.5 +135</TD><TD>-121</TD><TD>OVER 8.5 +108</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>10:10 AM</TD><TD>970</TD><TD>Minnesota Twins
G. Perkins</TD><TD>+1.5 -145</TD><TD>+113</TD><TD>UNDER 8.5 -118</TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>971</TD><TD>Detroit Tigers
K. Rogers</TD><TD>+1.5 -213</TD><TD>-103</TD><TD>OVER 9 -107</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>11:10 AM</TD><TD>972</TD><TD>Kansas City Royals
G. Meche</TD><TD>-1.5 +193</TD><TD>-105</TD><TD>UNDER 9 -103</TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>973</TD><TD>New York Yankees
I. Kennedy</TD><TD>+1.5 -161</TD><TD>+128</TD><TD>OVER 9 +104</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD2><TD>01:10 PM</TD><TD>974</TD><TD>Tampa Bay Rays
S. Kazmir</TD><TD>-1.5 +151</TD><TD>-136</TD><TD>UNDER 9 -114</TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>Thu 5/15</TD><TD>975</TD><TD>Chicago White Sox
J. Vazquez</TD><TD>+1.5 -228</TD><TD>-107</TD><TD>OVER 8.5 -106</TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle rowSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=AD1><TD>07:05 PM</TD><TD>976</TD><TD>LAA Angels
J. Garland</TD><TD>-1.5 +208</TD><TD>-101</TD><TD>UNDER 8.5 -104


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:cheers:
 
<LI class=more>Under is 22-8-2 in Hickoxs last 32 games behind home plate. <LI class=more>Home team is 9-4 in Hickoxs last 13 games behind home plate
Hard to not like the UNDER with that stat . Worse is LAD being 10-2 UNDER in day games think past 2 went over though. They have scored 2.5 runs and hit 223 in the 12 day games. Before today they avg 3.9 runs and 251 vs RHP. MILW is 10-6 UNDER in day games , 11-7 UNDER at home , and 5-0 UNDER on Thursdays , also 17-11 UNDER vs RHP.

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Sheets has shut down RHB .169 clip but this will be just the 2nd time this season he goes on normal rest . Which because of his bicep issue is something I am concerned about since his pen couldnt save anything. A plus for Billinsgley could be the fact he never started vs MILW. Billingsleys numbers have been real good vs RHB as well .208 clip. Billingsley was especially tough in day starts last year and has real good splits on normal rest past few years.....

So leaning under...

Call me crazy with this price but I like NYM and Pelfrey. I watched Pelfrey @ Zona and while he wasnt terrific his velocity impressed me. I didnt see the DH nightcap this past weekend but he was solid 2 runs in 6 innings though 8 hits. His work at home has been fairly solid in his short major league career. Bergmann comes off the DL and Mets dont want to lose 3 of 4 at home to WASH a divisional opponent before heading to Yankee Stadium and then Atlanta. Pelfrey already has 7 shutout innings at home vs the Nats this year allowing just 5 hits and laying 165 vs Perez and winning 6-0. Nats now 9-15 vs RHP and 11-17 in the division which they hit 228 and scored 3.8 vs RH enetering Wed. Bergmann is off the DL as well but has pitched well vs NYM in the past. 9 and 9.5 totals almost feel like automatic unders at Shea..now 8-3 UNDER this year , 57-40 since 2006.....

Well PIRATES as small road dogs 100 to 125 are 0-5 this year and 14-34 since 2006. Which tells me they dont win the games that look like tossups. While Pitt has improved this season they still have disturbing trends to break...when the total is 9 or 9.5 away they are 7-9 this year but 26-59 since the start of 2006 , they are 6-7 in day games but 46-77 since 2006. StL just 8-8 in day games so far was 75-51 since the start of 2006.

Cards are 30-13 UNDER on Thursdays since 2006. Basically Cards trends say UNDER so far whle Pitts say Over...STL is 6-1 Under at home when its 9 or 9.5 and 12-3 UNDER this season with those totals. Also 8-1 Under when small home calk 100 to 125.

Tough game total should see 8.5 tmrw which changes the trends posted above. Snell has actually pitched fairly well vs STL but especially @ Busch. He seemed to turn the corner last outing...tough game really a coin flip and well I did just say Pitt hasnt been able to win these coin flip games in the past but has improved to taking 7 of 16 this year....

As good as Lincecum has been Houston is that hot and Sampson felt he had some mechanical issues which he claimed to have worked out before his LAD start. Looking at the 7 shutout innings he spun seems like he did. He has some good previous history vs them as well...probably an under as well.....Lincecum does not have the same splits so far on normal rest as he does when he get s6 days.....but does have 2 very good start vs Hou under his belt.....

Well OAK is 11-3 under vs LHSP , Tribe is 11-1 Under in May and 11-2 Under in day games...both teams are 500 vs LHSP....I guess the CONSECUTIVE SHUTOUT RULE applies here though....hard to pass up on OAK with Smith who has been solid vs a team who scores 2.8 runs in day games..Some unchartered territory for Smith here pitching on 6 days rest does it throw off his rythymn??

Fade TB and Kazmir. Another angle that seems to work is fade SP after they sign contract extensions. They always seem to try and prove there worth next time out and blow up ! Think Carmona this year vs Oakland.....

Dont know how they will win but I dont expect vintage Kaz after the contract signing and long outing vs Boston. Funny this is every trend says UNDER except Yanks as dogs away from 125 to 150 are 3-1 over this year of the 6-16 over record but 12-1 over since 2006 in that role. Yanks are 7-2 under , 10-1 Under in day , 15-5 Under in divsion , 17-6 under away and 29-11 under this season, TB 10-2 Under with 9 or 9.5 totals and 17-6 under at home...Kennedy has been solid 2 of 3 career starts vs TB as well. The pressure seemed to be getting to him hearing his comments since the demotion. A great 1 hit start @ AAA hopefully instilled some confidence plus the fact he gets to pitch in TB away from NY for now....almost seems like an over play but hard to see KAZ getting roughed up it would have to be vs TB en and there ERA t home is LOW..like 1.65...still if the runs come should be vs the pen......on the road Yanks have been an under trend...

Really like COL here...really like them...they started rallying late today and I think they take Webb...not much to back it up other a hunch and the price considering he is facing Cook. Also 7 days rest could be an issue have to backcheck that...

Rockies SP Aaron Cook won his sixth straight start Friday at San Diego, boasting a 1.90 ERA over that stretch. He held San Diego to one run and three hits in seven innings, walking four and striking out one. "I'm pretty confident," Cook said. "Once you get on a roll, I think your confidence starts to grow. I have total confidence in my defense."

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>Night</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1.85</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>34.0</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.208</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>Night</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>3.38</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>101.1</TD><TD align=right>97</TD><TD align=right>43</TD><TD align=right>38</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>39</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.255</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


:cheers:
 
orange&white said:
Why is Vazquez so low SN?
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Seems kinda high to me..Adenhart was -110 vs Buerhle and think the difference bewteen Beurhle and Javy is alot less then Garland and Adenhart. Garland has been excellent last two facing his old team here. Funny thing with Garland is his 3 bad starts are all vs the WEST the rest of his starts vs the Central and East have been good...maybe another under as well

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>As Starter</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>4.30</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>52.1</TD><TD align=right>58</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>.289</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>May</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.56</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>16.0</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.137</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
vs WEST
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Oak.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>10.50</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>6.0</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.357</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Sea.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>5.40</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5.0</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.444</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Tex.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>12.60</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5.0</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.381</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
5 starts 36.1 Inn 28H 8r 8er 1Hr 10bb 5 K...only concern is the lack of strikeouts....:cheers:
 
looking at KC/DET Over
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Meche
this season (&, in brackets, vs DET since 07)
Home: WHIP 1.76 (1.43), ERA 9.00 (7.71)
Away: WHIP 1.33 (1.24), ERA 4.01 (2.14)

Opposition scores for Meche's home starts: 5, 15, 5 & 7 runs


Rogers
vs Kansas since 06*: WHIP 1.35, ERA 5.45
Away this season:.... WHIP 1.60, ERA 5.78

*this doesn't incl. stats from his start in KC where DET spotted him 10 runs in the top of the 1st, an act which destroyed KC's will from the get-go and led Rogers to understandably breeze through his work.

Opposition scores for Rogers road starts: 5, 11, 4, 4 & 7 runs.

Rogers has received an avg of 9.00 runs in support his last 5 starts (lowest total of 6 runs), after Detroit was shut-out in his first 3 starts.


In their last 17 games, Detroit's pitching staff has kept the opposition to below 4 runs just 3 times (conceding an avg of 5.05 runs/game).

In Detroit's last 29 games, they've scored 6+ runs 14 times, 0-3 runs 14 times & they've scored 4-5 runs just once. It's either feast of famine with this lineup, with almost nothing inbetween. Against Meche in KC, 0-3 simply seems less likely than 6+.


Ump Layne
While this guy is 7-1 to Under this season, over the last 9 seasons he's only O/U 125-132 [48.6% - 51.4%] with a lowish SO/BB ratio (1.71) & his worst Over season seeing Under finish 5 games above .500, which indicates his presently heavy Under ways are somewhat anomalous (his present SO/BB ratio is only 1.46, the really telling number being his 1.1 HR avg where over the previous 9 seasons he avg's 2.21). Past stats simply don't support this guy keeping up the U/O ratio of results he's started this season with.

O/U 6-2 his last 8 BHP for Detroit
O/U 2-2 his last 4 BHP for KC

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edit: KCs home under ways & Detroits lethargic bats have put me off this one
 
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I will be betting that over for many of the reasons you list above BC , but Meche is a righty i think.... which is opposite of what you infer in that post. Still agree with the whole post though and will be on that game as well. We can count baserunners together in the ingame ... hhehehehe. Also , while layne over/under finishes are under oriented ... the strike zone seems very reasonable to the over.
 
Its nothing to get thrilled about but it is correct action to play Cook today. Webb has played well but against a collection of losers totally this year. Cook has won on the road vs Tim and Wandy. Days of week angles and ump are fairly even. Bottom line its a reasonable gamble that might lose but its very hard to win if you are unwilling to roll the dice with real plus money in an even game.
 
In Gone With The Wind Rhett says "Frankly my dear, I don;t give a damn"
See KC regarding Meche. Rogers? In his last 5 games Detroit has scored 8, 19, 6, 6 and 6 runs. He is 4-1. Mostly ml but did some rl. Going back to Arizona- Colorado, not sure most of you understand how sharp and bitter the rivalry is between these teams. This game is a war zone, you will get everything that Colorado has.
 
Small play on Tampa ml. Home favorites not my favorites but I have to be impartial which is not easy as I am surprising fond of this Yankee team. Scott for home favs in this range has been very favorable the hp ump. Rivera and Joba have both pitched 2 days in a row. Last 2 years Rivera has pitched 3 in a row 1 time. Mets series is starting up. Now last night I finally decided to play the Yankees because of a theme. The theme very simply was you knock off our best pitcher we come back and punish you. It applies again today.
 
Another garbage home fav. I wrongly passed on the Cardinals yesterday because it is impossible for me to lay with a 1-6 team. They won so the ice has melted. An angle I learned from killersports relates to them closing out with a win in a split 3 game home series. They are currently 4-1 in this spot this year and have a very tough Tampa team coming in. Pitt on the road in this spot this year is 1-3. 4-1 or 1-3? Small bet on the Cardinals ml.
 
Good stuff Tuck. Clearly really like COLORADO here....and also agree with the split series angle...

Well I kinda fucked up cause I thought Cle started at 12:35...had planned on taking Oak @ +130 and the over due to the back to backshutout theme and the fact it fell to 7.5...

So back to the drawing board....be back soon
:cheers:
 
Also I made a MISTAKE yesterday saying Bergmann was off the DL he was simply demoted to AAA after a rough start...
 
1 unit on over 8 in Minn. Do not trust either pitcher. The infusion of new players has started the Toronto offense and Minn off a loss is 12-5 over.
 
Tough one @ Minnesota IMO....

This year Toronto has faced 4 opposing LHSP...

Lester @ Boston lose 1-0(8Inn 1H 0R 4bb 6K)
Sabathia @ Cle lose 6-1 ( 7inn 6 h 1 r 2bb 9k)
Laffey @ Cle lose 12-0 (7inn 6h 0r 1bb 2k)
Lee @ Cle win 3-0 in extras & scoreless after 9 innings(9inn 7h 0R 2bb 5K)

Perkins is LHP a former #1 draft pick who battle some injuries but whatever ML work he has looks solid. He pitched pretty well vs Boston if you look at the line and see 6inn 9 h 3 r but the truth is the last 2 hits were solo Hrs to start the 7th...so through 6 he led 2-1 and allowed 1 run and 7 hits to Boston......

Mauer is resting for Minny ...

Jays won yesterday with 6 hits only and 4 RBI from Stairs who is also getting a day off....Twins had 9 vsHalladay and 11 in the game....they have won 10 of 13 at home trying to avoid a sweep.....

McGowan has lost all 5 of his road starts this year which were all UNDERS to his last brutal outing...twice he has been terrible away but noticed he bounced back fter his last brutal start @ TB when @ Fenway for his best road outing.....He is only 5-13 away with a 6+ ERA in his career ...last year in day games excellent at 7-2 with 2.87 ERA in 10 day games ..but still 4-7 4.91 away...

Twins have won last 6 at home with Reliford umping

Took a stab at Minnesota ..:shake:
 
So..

Twins -110 (small play 1st 5 ML as well)
Under 9.5 -110 NYM
Under 8.5 -115 STL

Didnt really like many sides...:cheers:
 
Not sure I get involved with the 2 PM games...

Meche looked like he was starting to find a groove then got hit hard by Balt. Rogers as pointed out by BC doesnt exactly have an impressive track record away recently although pitching decent of late. Guillen is gonna rest for KC loss of a big RHB. Pudge and Renteria for Det as well...

Det is 5-17 when the total is 9 or 9.5 (2-11 away in this range)
Det 1-5 away as small chalk <125
3-9 in May
3-12 in day games after an 0-10 start
11-23 vs RHP
4-14 vs divisional teams
16-24 this season

KC is 8-6 in day games but has failed to win more then 3 straight so far and is 5-14 in this spot since 2006 (coming off 3 consecutive wins)
KC is 1-6 on Thursdays and 15-27 since 06 on thursday
KC has won all 5 vs DET this year and is 7-6 vs LHSP.....

the offenses...
Det 4 runs road games , 4.1 vs RHP ., 3 runs in day games , 3.4 in divsion and 3 per last 7 games

KC 3.1 runs at home , 3.1 runs vs LHSP , 3.6 runs in day games and 3.1 division....

WHo knows about Chi...that game seemed to short at -140 after Lilly closed at 130 vs Peavy.....would lean to SD..

:shake:
 
2 day games left and looks like I forced that last play Und 8.5 @ STL..hopefully Twins get going...

@TB since the price is nice being a midlevel dog think I will fade Kazmir 1st 5 and game maybe not full unit each though....

Simple reasoning the extension he signed yesterday. Most guys go out and try to prove that they are worth that money in there next start. Maybe he does and maybe he doesnt but I think the price dictates taking a shot at it....well all know Yanks basically suck vs LHP so its a huge gamble in that sense but in some ways having Kennedy opposing him could be a blessing in disguise. Would think the perception is definetly that Kennedy cant pitch and Kaz is easy......Would guess TB gets to 160 and lets be real here Kaz is making his 3rd start of the year , has be known to get stuck with high pitch counts and while they dont do it like they used NYY can still work a pitcher and make him through 120 pitches through 6 innings except if thats the ratio here Kaz wont make it pass the 5th.....

Scott Kazmir (R) Previous Starts vs. NY Yankees

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So 8 starts and he completed 7 once and looks like he went to start the 7th in just 3 of them. So realistic to expect he goes 6 here and the TB pen goes 3. Which TB pen has been exceptional especially at home we have seen Percival blow 2 saves recently and the rest of the guys I owuld ratherface thenKaz regardless of what there stats say...

Kennedy has been solid 2 of 3 times vs TB and his best start of 2008 must have been @ TB ...he was excellent in his AAA start....so confidence regained ?

hard to not look at the under here...NYY 8 of last 12 hae allowed 3 runs or less....and we know about TBs pitching of late...just 12 runs past 7 allowed in there 6-1 run.....TB has scored 4 or less in 9 of 13 and 3 or less in 6 of 10....

Also dont overlook the fact Kaz was basically throwing 85 pitches in rehab work and I questioned the organization saying he could go 100 in his 1st outing well he went 90 in 4 innings followed by 108 in 6 innings...so high pitch count still an issue with him and very interesting to see how his arm responds on 5 days rest after 108 pitches since he had 6 days off after the start @ Boston...not normal concerns but concerns because of Kaz starting off on the DL....prior to last year his starts on normal rest where somewhat weaker then the rest of his work..his day numbers were also very tough 1st two seasons...as are his home splits.....

posada's absence really felt here since he was 8-17 of kaz...abreu and matsui will rest..

W/o getting into deeply just check the total trends all strong unders...10-1 and 8-2 in day games.

So as I said looking at the Yanks ML , 1st 5 Ml and Under here as well...possibly +1.5 RL for Yanks...realy expect 3-2 type game maybe 4-3 or 4-2...wantto see TB lineup as well....4 PM day game on the EAST is weird ......midweek...


Out @ SFG again would like to see lineups but this looks like an under and yet there has been a huge vig move in a line that was definetly not off ...and has rested Houston players.....

When I played baseball as I have said here many times I was a pretty good pitcher. So maybe that makes me biased but I put alot of stock in what pitchers have to say especially SP. I think relievers are usually more adrenaline type guys who arent as understanding about the game as SP. They tend to get by on talent and talent creates ego . Ego allows you to think your way is the best way. Most SP to be successful for a long period must have a great understanding of the game and there opponent. Okay so my point is when SP talk I listen. I want to hear what they are saying about why they are pitching porrly or even well...look at a guy Like Bronson Arroyo he was honestly saying I feel fine , I feel like I am making good pitches but the results suck ! My arm doesnt hurt , my body doesnt hurt......I just cant explain it...well look at his last 2 starts since then....pretty good and what we could say is vintage Arroyo...

As I mentioned Sampson said he felt mechanical issues were causeing his poor results. He claimed on working through that and getting straight before LAD. Then he goes and probably has his best start....his issue he says was having his body of his arm...the old I need to stay back important for hitters and pitchers...

So when it clicks I expect it to click for the near future.....

This year away Sampson has won and pitched well @ Chicago , Cincy and LAD losing @ ZONA which was part of a 2 start stretch where he was terrible..

Those 3 road outings : 2runs in 6.2 , 2runs in 7 and no runs in 7...so 4 runs in 20.2 innings...now outside of Cincy both Chi and LAD prefer to smoke LHP but still good work overall......

Tejada does get a day off but at least a solid vet like Loretta is in his place. Wiggy is out but again at least a solid SWH vet like Blum takes his place and he might be a better option vs Lincecum anyway.....

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl>G</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>GS</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>W</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>L</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>SV</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>CG</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>SHO</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>IP</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>H</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>R</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>ER</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>HR</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>BB</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>K</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>ERA</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>WHIP</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl>BAA</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD class=yspscores align=left height=16> Career vs. HOU</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>2</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>2</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>1</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>15.0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>7</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>3</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>2</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>2</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>14</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>1.20</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0.60</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>.143</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16></TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD class=yspscores align=left height=16> Home (this year)</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>4</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>4</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>2</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>1</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>27.0</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>25</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>8</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>8</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>3</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>4</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>30</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>2.67</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>1.07</TD><TD class=yspscores height=16>.250</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Last year Lincecum struggled at times in day games and at home when looking at the overall picture. Even this year his home BAA is much higher then the road with the difference being a huge gap in BB allowed 4 at home to 14 away..his day numbers have been good as well this year ....

Astros are 10-2 in May vs SFG who is 4-8...they are 10-0 when Backe doesnt start...

We look at the game that SF won and we see Cain laying about -130 to Backe . Well is there much difference bewteen Cain and Lincecum?? I dont think so two bright , young power RHSP...Lincecum probably pitching better in 2008 but very little difference maybe a 10cents in a line....then we see what Sampson has done in his road starts so far and you look at Backe's track record away and there is quite a difference despite the fact Backe name might carry more weight....so really this game shouldnt be any higher IMO then that -130 level...especially when SF has won just 33% of its recent games...

this may not be accurate but a quick eyeball test shows Hous 11-4 past 15 games started byTowles as well behind the dish....3 of those were Backe road starts and the other was Sampsons start @ Zona which seemed to be the start of his 2 game mini slide and was opposite Danny Haren......

Chris Sampson (R) Previous Starts vs. San Francisco

<TABLE class=data cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR class=datahead><TD width="13%">Date</TD><TD width="12%">Opposition</TD><TD width="8%">Scr</TD><TD width="12%">Line</TD><TD width="5%">W/L</TD><TD width="5%">IP</TD><TD width="5%">H</TD><TD width="5%">R</TD><TD width="5%">ER</TD><TD width="4%">SO</TD><TD width="4%">BB</TD><TD width="4%">HR</TD><TD width="6%">PIT</TD><TD width="6%">P/IP</TD><TD width="6%">G/F</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datahl2>05/21/07</TD><TD class=datacell>@ SF</TD><TD class=datacell>0-4</TD><TD class=datacell>121/8.5</TD><TD class=datacell>L/U</TD><TD class=datacell>6.0</TD><TD class=datacell>5</TD><TD class=datacell>3</TD><TD class=datacell>1 </TD><TD class=datacell>0</TD><TD class=datacell>1</TD><TD class=datacell>0</TD><TD class=datacell>80 </TD><TD class=datacell>13.3 </TD><TD class=datacell>2.60</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datahl2>05/16/07</TD><TD class=datacell>SF</TD><TD class=datacell>2-1</TD><TD class=datacell>-106/9</TD><TD class=datacell>W/U</TD><TD class=datacell>6.0</TD><TD class=datacell>7</TD><TD class=datacell>1</TD><TD class=datacell>1 </TD><TD class=datacell>3</TD><TD class=datacell>1</TD><TD class=datacell>0</TD><TD class=datacell>83 </TD><TD class=datacell>13.8 </TD><TD class=datacell>0.88</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

maybe some distractions in SF with Magowan situation...Rowand and Bowker very good day splits and Holms , Viz solid in limited atbats...Burress 3-12 but Winn, Aurilia , and Lewis 34-143....

Umpire Trends - Bruce Dreckman

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  • <LI class=morehot>Under is 4-0 in Dreckmans last 4 Thursday games behind home plate. <LI class=morehot>Over is 4-0 in Dreckmans last 4 games behind home plate vs. San Francisco. <LI class=morehot>Home team is 4-1 in Dreckmans last 5 Thursday games behind home plate. <LI class=more>Under is 10-3-1 in Dreckmans last 14 games behind home plate vs. Houston. <LI class=more>Under is 6-2 in Dreckmans last 8 games behind home plate. <LI class=more>Road team is 11-4 in Dreckmans last 15 games behind home plate vs. Houston.
  • Giants are 2-6 in their last 8 games with Dreckman behind home plate.
Stros day splits are weak for alot of guys...19-124 Loretta , Towles < blum and Bourne but then again look at there overall avgs...so dontthink its a day thing really...

Looking at Houston , 1st 5 ML and +1.5 RL and also Under 8
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:cheers:
 
So....

Astros +140 {1unit}
1st 5 inn ML Astros +150 {1/2unit}
under 8 -110 {1/2unit}

Though really I got denied trying to put the Astros +1.5 RL play in for 1 unit @ -155 and adding another 1/2 unit @ +140....I got lucky I misread the gametime in Cle today as I would have lost both so lets see how missing that little play works out..

Yanks +140 {1unit}
1st 5 ML Yanks +150 {1/2 unit}

Might be done with that game not sure.....GL
 
With you on Frisco under. Surprised on the side play though. Tejada has been the engine of that team and Matzui and Pense playing hurt with the Match up coming the next day with Texas. Just seemed a bad spot. In any case will root for no Frisco runs. GL
 
tuck321 said:
With you on Frisco under. Surprised on the side play though. Tejada has been the engine of that team and Matzui and Pense playing hurt with the Match up coming the next day with Texas. Just seemed a bad spot. In any case will root for no Frisco runs. GL
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Tuck I really agree with you. I just felt price got a bit high here...and decided to "read" alot into Sampsons road starts...I was thinking being HOT and traditionally playing poor @ SF might be a good motivator...sort of just riding the hot team...:shake: As I mentioned really a game that shouldnt go past the 130 to 140 range IMO even with Tejada resting who could still play a role in a close game...
 
I really thought I could play the Cardinals full game since he was no longer closing. No more old men and no more Cardinals except first 5.
 
tuck321 said:
I really thought I could play the Cardinals full game since he was no longer closing. No more old men and no more Cardinals except first 5.
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Crazy how poorly some pens are doing everything seems to be working in extremes...really great pen stats or the ones who stink are taking it to anew level..GL the rest of the way be back for the night card...:cheers:
 
Thank goodness they steamed the brewer/dodger game down to 7.5 .... would have been all over under 8.5 this morning had it been there. That kind of brutal beat would have been a rough way to start the day.
 
i'm on the LAA-CHW under for the 2nd time in 3 days... it's a mix of a good ump for the under (only allowing 5.0 runs/game) and two starters i think will have a good night
 
I believe the Phillies are going to pound the shit out of James. This guy gave 5ERs to the pirates lineup and is replacing hampton in the lineup till he returns. This is the last of a very bad road trip for the braves and they just finished abusing Myers for 4 longballs. Hamels, while giving up 2-4 ERs per outing has been decent, I'd say this is definitely a runline play for Phili.
 
Wonderful! The Reds game has been postponed. Belisle 2-13 last 15 home games is denied his start, the day before Cincinnati Ohio and Cleveland Ohio play in a night game versus a left hander with the 3 significant Reds pitchers next to play. This and Izzie----! Had 4 units on this play.
 
Tried to take 1.5 and lay 2.5 but they did not have a 2.5 available. Last 20 on the road James had 10 wins, 6 1 run losses and 4 by a mountain. Laying 1.5 seems a little silly but shooting for either the 16 cases or the 4 big hits was reasonable but not available. Story of the day.
 
My internet conection has sucked for the last bit...

so Twins had 2 guys thrown out at home and get swept 3-2 in extras , the Yanks do what they do best --not hit LHSP...and Houston did exactly what I expected in a form and fashion I never expected...I thought it would be close with Houston stealing late and certainly didnt expect much down 6-0 after 3 but held out hope when they scored3 to answer them...boy do bullpens suck...

Didnt play the Philly game due to no research and was going to pound the Under @ Cincy but PPD.....

so down about -2.5 units so far....already played 1 unit on Colorado not sure about anything else because its been 3 hours since my connection was solid.....

GL all:cheers:
 
stupid ass double plays and bases loaded outs are keepin the phi game from blowing open... retarted..

On another note, i agree that cook or nothing is the play. He defeated peavy, I dont see why not webb. He has already proven he can win a pitching duel.
 
Houston turnaround spectacular and consistent with Houston winning late but note what happen. Frisco manager put in a reliever with a 6.75 home era and a 6.75 era vs Houston and let him give up 4 runs. Hard to understand how they do these things. Surely if you put this man in you pull after he puts the first man on base.
 
SF just let them hang around . Big thing in pulling away in baseball is after you score keep your opponent off the scoreboard. SF ran it to 6-0 and right away they gave back 3 runs. Walker was in a tough spot. Came in retired Pence with Matsui on 2nd base. He retired Berkman before Lee hit a solo Hr , he then K'd Blum who reached base still on a wild pitch to which do you really pull a pitcher for striking out someone? Loretta follows the K with a single putting two men on and then he should have been relieved but I guess there wasnt a better option ? Valdez went on the DL due to injury today. Walker had been filthy to today .186 BAA. Yabu and Chulk tend to pitch only when they are trailing . I think losing Valdez now just really left them shuffling.

Then I found this article on Walker..

05-13) 21:57 PDT -- Setup man Tyler Walker believes if you have a bionic arm, you might as well use it to your advantage.
Walker has pitched superbly this season in part because of the split-finger fastball he added to his repertoire after having Tommy John elbow-reconstruction surgery in 2006. Walker grew up in Marin County rooting for the Giants, so he saw so many pitchers who learned the splitter from then-manager Roger Craig wind up in the arm hospital.
"I just started throwing it this winter," Walker said. "I figured, I've got a rebuilt arm, so why not? I didn't throw it before because I didn't want to hurt my arm."
He got hurt without the splitter and missed 13 months.
"It's one of those things where you can either throw a bunch of sliders and probably hurt your elbow or throw changeups or splitters and probably hurt your shoulder," Walker said. "You can't just throw fastballs, and very few people are blessed not to have arm problems."
Walker (1-1, 3.86 ERA) has been a major player behind the bullpen's early-season success. Entering Tuesday's game, opposing hitters were 11-for-59 against him, with right-handers 5-for-40. He pitched nine consecutive scoreless outings during one stretch that included 18 consecutive batters retired.


Horrible loss for sure if you played SF today and well I have lost a few games this year leading 5 or 6-0 after 1 so nice to finally be on the other side......

Need some major help in ZONA...not a real good day.....:shake:
 
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