The Winter Baseball Rumor/Signing/Trade thread

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Bingo.


Bring Teixera to the Sox and let Manny go to the Yanks we can finally have an exciting early season Sox/Yanks game like a few years ago. I get excited thinking about it.

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no, please...not manny. he belongs at chavez ravine.
not even sure i can wait thru the final year of damon's contract...and would love to see him traded before the season.


anyways...any truth to the rumor that tex went to the ravens/steeler game with angelos?
whether he picks the bosux, the nats, or the o's...he'll be way overpaid...but the halos are gonna be hurting big time. they'll have vlad and hope for a lineup.
 
there is some hope...
pedro alvarez is going to be a star. the bucs just need to draft better, overall, over the years.


Yep should of drafted Matt Wieters 2 years ago but instead took a lefty set up guy , Daniel Moskos who may never be heard from again..

Dave Littlefield screwed the minor leagues, thats why i want to trade whats left..

Alvarez will suffer some kind of knee injury or something and end up being a rule 5 pick for someone ..Thats how it works in pirate land

the pirates had 5 #1 draft picks in last 10 years ,all pitchers who blew out their arms....Bradley , Burrnet , Bullington 2X ,Van Benschotten and Lincoln...ALL except Lincoln were progressing quite nicely thruogh the minors..

From now on the pirates will just draft a pitchers and go ahead and preform TJ surgery on them if they needed it or not
 
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At the end of a couple of curious days, during which Rafael Furcal reportedly agreed to sign with the Atlanta Braves, then resumed negotiations with the Los Angeles Dodgers (depending on one’s perspective), the free-agent shortstop was nearing an agreement Wednesday morning to return to the Dodgers.
According to sources familiar with the negotiations, talks between team owner Frank McCourt, general manager Ned Colletti and agent Arn Tellem progressed to the point both sides believed a deal would be struck.
The Dodgers’ offer had been at two years with an option for a third. They improved their original offer in the last 24 hours, according to a source, though it is unknown if they guaranteed the third year or increased the contract’s average annual value.

In Atlanta, Braves officials who were so optimistic they had acquired Furcal (who began his career in Atlanta) on Tuesday for three years and $30 million were resigned to perhaps losing the bidding to the Dodgers on Wednesday. They could, of course, re-enter negotiations with a counter offer.
Agent Paul Kinzer, who works with Tellem, had said Monday he expected Furcal to choose Tuesday between the Dodgers, Athletics, Royals and a fourth team, which turned out to be the Braves. Later Monday, he revealed to at least one of the other teams that Furcal had chosen the Braves, whose offer included a vesting fourth-year option. Clearly, the A’s (who bid the highest for Furcal) and Royals would have had to overwhelm Furcal in term or annual salary to have signed him.
Braves management, sources said Tuesday, believed they had a “gentlemen’s agreement” with Furcal, and that he would submit to a physical on Wednesday.
Braves media relations director Brad Hainje said the club would make no announcement regarding Furcal on Tuesday, did not know if one would come Wednesday, and that he could not confirm an agreement, formal or implied.
Meantime, Colletti said at 9 a.m. PT on Wednesday that the Dodgers were still in on Furcal, who after the season expressed a desire to return to the Dodgers, who whom he played the last three years at $13 million a year.
 
don't really care if we manage to resign furcal. I still want to murder ned colletti

way to wait until furcal to the braves is practically a done deal before you step up and make a fair market value offer, fucking cocksucker

and this doesn't mean I think furcal is comin back. Flanders is too big of a fuck up to have any faith in. Other than the sox bribing him to take manny off their hands, his tenure as dodger GM has been a complete and total failure.
 
anyways...any truth to the rumor that tex went to the ravens/steeler game with angelos?

I heard that rumor too but apparently he never ended up going. Even if he did reports now say that the Orioles have fallen out of the race to get him.

For some reason I am getting nervous that the Nats may be able to snag him, but then at the same time I am sadly optimistic that since he is rep'd by Boras the Sox have the inside track. I just want this to end soon I can stop checking the web every 20min at work for updates.
 
theo, henry and the rest of the sox brass are down in texas meeting with boras about tex. its possible tex is there too, but not known. offer is 8 yrs. 184 million. if this gets done, the sox matched what the yanks done this offseason, and are still the team to beat in the AL. i just hope manny stays out west, and doesnt head to the nyy. vtek will probably sign soon after tex does im sure.
 
HAHA guess i missed this beaut....


Red Sox owner John Henry just e-mailed several media members with a stunning twist in the team's pursuit of free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira.

Henry's words: "We met with Mr. Teixeira and were very much impressed with him. After hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor."



does this mean hes taking the money and heading to the nats?
 
theo, henry and the rest of the sox brass are down in texas meeting with boras about tex. its possible tex is there too, but not known. offer is 8 yrs. 184 million. if this gets done, the sox matched what the yanks done this offseason, and are still the team to beat in the AL. i just hope manny stays out west, and doesnt head to the nyy. vtek will probably sign soon after tex does im sure.

Ummm...I think the rays are the team to beat in the AL...
 
What the fuck... am i really supposed to believe the Sox are out of it? Has to be a bluff, doesn't it?....
 
it appears henry called boras' bluff successfully. i believe tex really wants to come here, but they're just trying to get more money out of boston. thats not happening. sox wanted 6-8 years. moved to 8. reluctantly went to 160. topped out at 175 it appears. flew down to texas, boras wanted more. if he ends up in boston, it will now be at boston's terms. they are not budging anymore i dont believe. if another team wants to over pay by that much, then they can have him. henry knows pretty much better than anyone in the mlb where the economy is heading in these next few years. if the price is unreasonable they will correctly back away.

i still see the possibilty of the yankees swooping in at the last second to land him, as thats always the case. but i believe its sox/o's at this point. im guessing he'd rather come to boston, but at what price. does he want shitloads of cash, a great chance to win, and great exposure that'll lead to more self accomplishments. or does he just want shitloads of cash?
 
it appears henry called boras' bluff successfully. i believe tex really wants to come here, but they're just trying to get more money out of boston. thats not happening. sox wanted 6-8 years. moved to 8. reluctantly went to 160. topped out at 175 it appears. flew down to texas, boras wanted more. if he ends up in boston, it will now be at boston's terms. they are not budging anymore i dont believe. if another team wants to over pay by that much, then they can have him. henry knows pretty much better than anyone in the mlb where the economy is heading in these next few years. if the price is unreasonable they will correctly back away.

i still see the possibilty of the yankees swooping in at the last second to land him, as thats always the case. but i believe its sox/o's at this point. im guessing he'd rather come to boston, but at what price. does he want shitloads of cash, a great chance to win, and great exposure that'll lead to more self accomplishments. or does he just want shitloads of cash?

I have to believe if the Yanks feign interest in Tex it is in the hopes of driving up the price...Swisher is a solid replacement for Giambi and the type of "GAMER" the Yanks need more of.

I know you Beantowners are high on Tex and he is definitely SOLID but IMO, you are going to overpay...plus, your rotation (based on last year) has too many ??? to anoint y'all AL favs. And that POS Papelbon is a bonfire waiting to be lit up. Too bad y'all don't have a closer like The Greatest To Ever Play The Game: http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=121250

Rays will be hard pressed to repeat last year...Angels without Tex are weak...Yanks (with MLB's best rotation) for #27, anyone?

Mully :cheers:
 

I know you Beantowners are high on Tex and he is definitely SOLID but IMO, you are going to overpay...plus, your rotation (based on last year) has too many ???
to anoint y'all AL favs. And that POS Papelbon is a bonfire waiting to be lit up. Too bad y'all don't have a closer like The Greatest To Ever Play The Game: http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=121250

Rays will be hard pressed to repeat last year...Angels without Tex are weak...Yanks (with MLB's best rotation) for #27, anyone?

Mully :cheers:

A Yankees fan talking about another team overpaying for someone

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haha ya mully that cracked me up. whoever lands tex is gonna overpay,but the sox have him set at a certain value and at this point are not going to budge where they are. so the yanks arent driving the price up on the sox the least bit.

and what the sox are offering, im fine with it. the sox main need right now is to add a long term slugger to the lineup to combat the departures of ortiz/lowell in the coming years. tex accomplishes this. and i would most certainly be in favor of overpaying for an everyday power hitter as opposed to overpaying for TWO pitchers. like i said earlier, getting tex would offset any additions the yanks made. im just crossing my fingers the yanks dont land tex or manny, cuz then i feel the sox are all set right now as is.

and talking about starting rotations. althought i admit its very close, i'd still take our top 3 over yours. im hopeful they go after smolz over sheets at this point, but if they landed one of those, the rotation should be deep with wake, buchholz, masterson, and bowden available.

also the crack at paps is a joke. guy is already setting postseason records and is well on his way to take over the throne that mariano once held. i know its tough for you to take, but admission is your first step lol.
 
and without looking up any stats let me throw a trivia question out there for you:
How many earned runs has papelbon given up in his post season career?

Hint: The answer rhymes with schmero
 
haha ya mully that cracked me up. whoever lands tex is gonna overpay,but the sox have him set at a certain value and at this point are not going to budge where they are. so the yanks arent driving the price up on the sox the least bit.

and what the sox are offering, im fine with it. the sox main need right now is to add a long term slugger to the lineup to combat the departures of ortiz/lowell in the coming years. tex accomplishes this. and i would most certainly be in favor of overpaying for an everyday power hitter as opposed to overpaying for TWO pitchers. like i said earlier, getting tex would offset any additions the yanks made. im just crossing my fingers the yanks dont land tex or manny, cuz then i feel the sox are all set right now as is.

and talking about starting rotations. althought i admit its very close, i'd still take our top 3 over yours. im hopeful they go after smolz over sheets at this point, but if they landed one of those, the rotation should be deep with wake, buchholz, masterson, and bowden available.

also the crack at paps is a joke. guy is already setting postseason records and is well on his way to take over the throne that mariano once held. i know its tough for you to take, but admission is your first step lol.

My Insane Beantowner Friend:

There is NO WAY Boston's Top 3 can compete with the Yanks...y'all forget that Wang is an ACE...CC 1A...Wang 1B...and we have Joba, A.J., Pettitte, Hughes...with more in the minors, baby. Boston has SERIOUS ??? all the way through their rotation....:shake:

Mariano is and will always be the GREATEST playoff relief pitcher...quick Q: What was Papelbonfire's ERA vs. The Yanks this year?

North of 5.00? Papelbon = Mariano :36_11_6:

Keep dreaming my Beantowner friends, keep dreaming.....

Mully :cheers:
 
My brotha, 26 World Championships will do that to 'ya..........:tiphat:

If you want to count championships from back in the 40s,50s, and 60s, well congrata-fuckin-lations. But if you would like to keep it in this millennium than we got another story don't we?

And in terms of starting rotations, you can make a valid argument that Yanks are 3rd in their own division, nevermind best int he league.
 
mully, never said paps is equal to mariano. just said hes on pace to be taking over his role as the games premier closer. 25 postseason innings without an unearned run, ws ring, and first 3 years as a closer with 35+ saves in each season.

as for the starters debate, see most red sox fans are reasonable, while most yanks fans are unreasonable. i said the top 3 on each team are close, but would take ours. you are saying its an insane comparison HAHA. put on your glasses for these please...


wanger... 1-3 7.58 era in 4 starts

fat cc... 2-3 7.92 era in in 5 starts (25 walks?)

aj... n/a

beckett... 7-2 2.90 era in 12 starts (much lower without last years injured post season)

dice k- 3-1 4.79 era in 7 starts

lester- 2-2 2.25 era 5 starts



what makes you think these chokers will be successful in the playoffs. especially cc. he couldnt handle the pressure of the playoffs when he was performing in front of.... well.... cleveland and milwaukee. what the hell makes you think he'll handle the pressure of issueing the "new" era of yankee stadium in the playoffs. you think he'll handle that well? the guess hear is he walks the sox around the bases again and doesnt get out of the 3rd. burnett's never pitched a meaningful game in his ml life, and dont think the nyy crowds will be supportive when the teams already down 0-2 in the series LOL. wangs the only one of the 3 i actually respect so i dont have much bad to say about him.


in other news, reports are saying tex will make his decision in the matter of days now. what the hell has change in the last day or so that all of a sudden hes making up his mind? i guess ill just keep dreaming that he lands in boston.

:cheers:
 
what makes you think these chokers will be successful in the playoffs. especially cc. he couldnt handle the pressure of the playoffs when he was performing in front of.... well.... cleveland and milwaukee. what the hell makes you think he'll handle the pressure of issueing the "new" era of yankee stadium in the playoffs. you think he'll handle that well? the guess hear is he walks the sox around the bases again and doesnt get out of the 3rd.

That sounds eerily similar to this:
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Which led to this:
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(Not shown: the 4 pitch walk to JRoll in between the two in which CC was trying not to shit his pants)
 
He was squeezed like I have never seen before by that u ump. It was bullshit.
 
Brewers close to signing Looper to complete their rotation. Not the worst signing I guess. Solid past couple season. So the rotation looks like this as of now.
1. Yovani
2. Parra
3. Bush
4. Looper
5. Suppan
 
Brewers close to signing Looper to complete their rotation. Not the worst signing I guess. Solid past couple season. So the rotation looks like this as of now.
1. Yovani
2. Parra
3. Bush
4. Looper
5. Suppan



cafardo reported in the boston globe that the brewers were close to this as well. i think he'll fill in pretty well there in milwaukee.

he also said that although lowe would be a great fit for the mets, he invisions that the phillies could be where he ends up.
 
If you want to count championships from back in the 40s,50s, and 60s, well congrata-fuckin-lations. But if you would like to keep it in this millennium than we got another story don't we?

And in terms of starting rotations, you can make a valid argument that Yanks are 3rd in their own division, nevermind best int he league.

Damn Beantowners FINALLY achieve a little success and it goes straight to your heads......:36_11_6:
2 World Series rings in 91 years...y'all are a DYNASTY.....:36_11_6:
But, I have to say that IMO, 4 Rings in 5 years or 6 WS appearances in 8 years is more like a DYNASTY, baby.....:tiphat:

Y'all need to learn that once a player puts on the hallowed Pinstripes they become just another cog in The Great Machine...so, the pressure is not as fierce as y'all try to imagine.
See, a great young SP like CC has always had to carry his teams...but with the Yanks he's just another piece of the 26 Time World Championship Yankee pie...hell, Wang just might be motivated to put up better W-L & ERA figures.

What does the record 10-8 represent, my Beantowner friends?

That is The Yankees 2008 record vs. your lowly BoSox...with a pieced together pitching staff, aging lineup, and injuries out the wazoo...what will it be with a younger, stronger team and MLB's Best Rotation?

I'm prognosticating 13-5 in '09, baby (and #27)..........................:tiphat:

Mully :cheers:
 
My Beantowner Buddies:

Y'all want stats?
Check out these AWESOME stats: 0-1, 9.95 ERA (6.1 IP 10 H 7 ER)

What could this mess be?

Maybe a high schooler pitching to the Padres?
No sir, it's actually Mr. Jon Papelbonfire vs. The Yanks in '08.......:36_11_6:
 
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ok ill come in and spin it my way....

while it was clear throughout the year the sox bp wasnt much to brag about, pap was still as solid as any closer in baseball. the fact remains he was 3 for 3 in save situations against your yankees. he is a closer afterall, and its not a secret that hes been a little shaky in non-save situations. they have added some depth to their bp where this isnt much of a concern now. still looking for an expanation as to why you are confident with your 1a 1b 1c 1d ACES inthe postseason....
 
so just because he struggled in some non-save situations vs one team that is more influential than the fact he dominated the majority of the year, and was absolutely lights out in the playoffs?

if you wanna take outrageous, how did 'mo' pitch in the playoffs?
 
Some GREAT news coming out of Winter baseball about some Young Pinstripers:

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/20/catching-up-on-some-winter-league-stats/

A few winter league observations:

Ian Kennedy is back home after pitching 34.2 innings over six starts in Puerto Rico. He went 2-2 with a 1.56 ERA. He allowed 19 hits, struck out 31, walked 12 and allowed one home run.

Guess who has a .408 OBP in the Dominican Winter League and has struck out only eight times in 83 at-bats? Melky Cabrera, that’s who. He and Brett Gardner would be an interesting competition in spring training if it comes to that.

Robinson Cano has driven in 15 runs in 17 games in the Dominican and has nine extra-base hits. He actually has more walks (seven) than strikeouts (five). Considering he walked 26 times in 634 plate appearances all last season, that’s a good sign.

Jonathan Albaladejo hasn’t allowed a run in 16 innings in Puerto Rico. His line: 16 11 0 0 2 11.

Ian Kennedy will start the year @ AAA, still only 24, and great insurance for the big league club. Could Melky's Winter ball resurgence be a reason for the Cameron talks being off? IMO, Robby Cano makes his run at AL MVP in '09...look at his stats for the last Q of '08...after some hitting adjustments. Albaladejo is one of NUMEROUS young BP arms waiting "in the wings" to dominate.

Damn, it's good to be a Yankee Fan....


Mully :cheers:
 
in other news ;)


the big unit is pitching for san fran. (there's a joke in that news, somewhere.)

and the reds signed willy taveras. good signing 4 cincy.
 
wow...when u get a chance...check out the FA list on espn, and all the mid-level names that aren't really even getting talked about.
imo, it's a pretty deep list...again, of mid-level talent...and of course a lot of lower level FAs too.

someone like the nats or o's can go get a very good hitting OFer (like an abreu) for maybe 7 to 8 mil/year...in a short term deal, to boot.

manny's gonna end up with nowhere to go but the dodgers, at their reduced price, which is prolly a good thing. but overall, there are some real bargains to be had with a lot of those names.

breifly...

@ catcher: varitek, pudge, lo duca...all servicable, for 1 or 2 years.
@ OF: manny, pods, junior, floyd, dunn, burrell, bradley, baldelli, and abreu are the top ones...most of which could be had at a bragain rate, also on short term deals.
@ IF: hudson, giambi, nomar, crede, and oc top that list. same story...and OC is a helluva SS for any team that needs one.
and the boatload @ pitcher, most of which are old: smoltz, sheets, siato, rogers, prior, pettitte, perez (the decent 1), penny, pedro, lyon, lowe, looper, izzy, hoffman, glavine, garland, gagne, fuentes, colon, etc. lot's of risk with many of these (older &/or injured) names...but that just means they'll come cheaper, and for a shorter term.

curious how many of these names will be scrounging for jobs come february? i know i think a few of those pitchers are worth the risk, at the right price.
 
Varitek may never sign. Forget the money. When somebody signs him they lose their 1st round pick to the Sox. Honestly who's going to sign him other than the Sox?
 
Varitek may never sign. Forget the money. When somebody signs him they lose their 1st round pick to the Sox. Honestly who's going to sign him other than the Sox?


exactly. varitek's not even worth a 1st rd pick anymore. but didnt' he turn down their offer of arbitration?
 
yeah he turned down arby... it sucks if the brewers want to go and get some of these guys they lose their first rounder, but don't even get them for CC or for that matter Gagne, sheets will probably be another 2nd round pick
 
My opinion they need to get rid of this compensation stuff completely and do "sandwich" picks based on how the NFL does it with teams who lose a lot and get nothing back get stuff, where teams like the Yankees who sign a ton and that don't get anything... just be looked at as a big picture and not on a player by player
 
My opinion they need to get rid of this compensation stuff completely and do "sandwich" picks based on how the NFL does it with teams who lose a lot and get nothing back get stuff, where teams like the Yankees who sign a ton and that don't get anything... just be looked at as a big picture and not on a player by player


kinda agree.
the way it plays out this year...with the big 3 signings...and thx to cole not signing...the yanks basically still get a pick in every round this june...despite their 3 FA signings.
and if abreu goes elsewhere, there's another. (andy and giambi too)

either cashman's just lucky...or he's a genius.

anyways, back to topic...think it just needs some tweaking...to yes, protect a team like the brewers this year.
they traded laporta, expecting a 1st rounder. now their owner is throwing a hissy, because they did fall a lot...and are not gonna be able to recoup the value.
 
Sox signed Brad Penny...



yah and catcher josh bard. kind of up in the air on this one. hopefully he'll be motivated for a contract or something. low risk for the sox, so i understand the signing. but looks now like sheets/lowe are out of the discussion. the sox have not ruled out smoltz, tho.


i was reading that the sox have all but given up signing varitek. adding rhh in bard, tek's bat seems negated now. sox may still be pursuing montero from arizona, and of course salty or teagarden from texas in a trade.
 
some things have been happening...

Halos signed Fuentes.
Personally, i'd like to see Arredondo get a shot...but good move.

Mutts make Lowe a 3 year offer, which should do the trick.

Rockies are looking to trade for Jason Marquis, lol. Like that's an arm that belongs in high altitude...

O's signed Hendricksen. Blah...

Cubbies traded DeRosa...supposedly to make space for Milton Bradley. Personally, can't wait to see Milt and Lou get into it at some point. Just hope a camera's there...

and still no Manny resigning with the Dodgers. :(
 
yah and catcher josh bard. kind of up in the air on this one. hopefully he'll be motivated for a contract or something. low risk for the sox, so i understand the signing. but looks now like sheets/lowe are out of the discussion. the sox have not ruled out smoltz, tho.


i was reading that the sox have all but given up signing varitek. adding rhh in bard, tek's bat seems negated now. sox may still be pursuing montero from arizona, and of course salty or teagarden from texas in a trade.


I would be shocked if Smoltz signs anywhere but Atlanta and regarding Tek, I still think he has a good shot of coming back. Basically, where else would he go?
 
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