The Winter Baseball Rumor/Signing/Trade thread

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Guys anyone explain why the chisox would deal Vazquez and take highly ranked gascan Bailey on board ?
Is it all $$$$ ?

Looks like the ChiSox got sick of "Big Game" Vazquez's meltdowns whenever there was any pressure put upon him. Javy is the quintessential Major League head case...think this writers quote tells it all:

"After being asked to step up by manager Ozzie Guillen in the final weeks of the season, Vazquez melted down and lost his last four starts while posting an ERA over 15.00. He blew a 3-1 lead in game one of the ALDS and would have been shipped to the bullpen had the Sox advanced to the next round." (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...hipped-outwhat-does-it-all-mean-for-white-sox)

More quotes from Javy himself after Ozzie challenged him:

"You know what? It’s not going to [change a lot of opinions] because I’m really the type of guy that when I retire, I’m going to be home in Puerto Rico with my family. I’m not looking to have to change minds if people feel that way,” (I wonder how they really feel, Javy?) Vazquez said.
“I won’t be paying attention to that. If I do well or if I don’t, I’ll still go home at the end of my career and be the same person.”

What kind of attitude is that for a professional to have while his teammates are battling to get into the postseason? I’m sure he felt personally attacked, I’m sure he was frustrated with his play, I know that Sox fans and media don’t cut too many guys slack, but you’re not Donovan McNabb. No one is coming after you every day, you haven’t performed and you haven’t been booed at the Cell, that badly.

(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2008/09/white-sox-guillen-vazquez/)

Yanks thought they were bringing in a young ace that could lead them for a decade...he was gone within a year....:seeya:

Mully :cheers:
 
Posted by Peter Abraham on Tuesday, December 9th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

As I was walking around The Bellagio looking for a listing of church services, I happened across the race and sports book.
There was a list of odds to win the 2009 World Series. Here it is:

Red Sox 5-1
Cubs 5-1
Angels 6-1
Yankees 6-1 (opened at 8-1 on Oct. 22)
Dodgers 8-1
Rays 10-1
Mets 10-1
Phillies 10-1
Diamondbacks 12-1
Twins 15-1
Cardinals 18-1
Marlins 20-1
Tigers 22-1 (opened at 30-1)
White Sox 22-1
Indians 25-1
Brewers 25-1
Blue Jays 35-1
Rockies 35-1
Astros 40-1
Athletics 40-1
Reds 50-1
Giants 60-1
Braves 60-1
Rangers 75-1
Orioles 75-1
Mariners 75-1
Padres 100-1
Nationals 125-1
Royals 125-1
Pirates 150-1

Now keep in mind that the line is not necessarily who the casino thinks will win. It’s designed to drive the betting so that the casino can’t lose.
The Twins might be worth $50. Maybe the White Sox, too.

As for the NFL, the Patriots opened at 5-2 on Jan. 13 and are at 20-1 now.
The Giants are the new favorite at 9-5. The Steelers went from 16-1 to 4-1.
I’m feeling the Panthers at 12-1. The Ravens are at 18-1 after opening at 125-1.
 
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gotta give both the O's and Nats props though for making serious/quality offers. at least they're trying. wish i could say the same for others.

If the Halos let Tex get away, you really have to wonder if their owner is more concerned about profit than winning...that lineup without Tex and with an aging Vlad is pathetic.

Great SP staff and ZERO pop........:seeya:
 
But they have Raul Ibanez as a fallback option...

Hes about the same caliber as Tex......right???

:36_11_6:

I just saw that, too...WTF, Mr. Moreno?

Tex: 28 years old, avg .296/35/118 L5 yrs
Ibanez: 36 yrs old, avg .291/23/98 L5 yrs

Tex is a CORNERSTONE player...Ibanez is a good player at the end of his career...curse those evil Red Sox if they land Tex.......:seeya:
 
LAS VEGAS -- Various news sources expect Kyle Farnsworth, who was 2-3 with a 4.48 ERA last year for the Detroit Tigers and New York Yankees, to sign a two-year deal for $9 million with the Kansas City Royals.
Detroit general manager Dave Dombrowski had no interest in re-signing Farnsworth, 32, who came to the Tigers at mid-season for catcher Ivan Rodriguez and was seldom effective. Kansas City needs setup relievers after trading Ramon Ramirez and Leo Nunez, and appears ready to greatly reward Farnsworth based on his 738 career strikeouts in 735 innings.
 
LAS VEGAS -- When the attempt to get the closer he coveted fell short -- with Seattle's J.J. Putz going to the New York Mets in a 12-player deal that included Cleveland -- Detroit Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski instead strengthened his starting rotation.
Outfielder Matt Joyce, linked all week to a possible trade for Putz, was sent to the Tampa Bay Rays late Wednesday night for starting pitcher Edwin Jackson, who was 14-11 with a 4.25 ERA in 2008.
"Edwin pitched on a World Series club and has great stuff," Detroit general manager Dave Dombrowski said. "Everyone in baseball's known about his ability. He took a step forward this year. Hopefully, he'll take another step for us ... It's unusual to pick up a guy who won 14 games."
Jackson was the odd man out of the Rays' rotation in the postseason, with Matt Garza, Scott Kazmir, James Shields and Andy Sonnanstine getting the starts and Jackson pitching 4 1/3 innings of relief with a 2.08 ERA and no decisions.
He said he looked forward to calling pitcher-friendly Comerica Park home and playing for a "hard-nosed manager" in Jim Leyland.
"It's a great team and I will play for the Detroit Tigers any day," Jackson said early this morning in a teleconference call from his home in Columbus, Ga. "It's a new start with a new team. It's not a personal move, it's a business. A lot of players get traded from World Series teams. I was happy to be in Tampa Bay, and hopefully can contribute in Detroit to another winner."
Dombrowski said he would be one of the club's five starters.
Earlier Wednesday, Leyland said Justin Verlander, Jeremy Bonderman and Armando Galarraga were the only sure starters. Adding Jackson, 25, leaves one opening. Zach Miner and Nate Robertson are likely to battle for the fifth spot, with Dontrelle Willis a long shot. Re-signing free agent starter Freddy Garcia would appear highly unlikely after this deal.
"(Jackson) has above-average stuff," Dombrowski said. "He has a two-seam and four-seam fastball, a slider and change up. He has struggled to consistently throw strikes."
Jackson was 5-15 with a 5.76 ERA in 2007, walking 88 in 161 innings and striking out 128. He cut down on the walks this year, with 77 in 183 1/3 innings, and his improvements paralleled those of a last-place team that went to the World Series one year later.
"Edwin Jackson was a big part of our turnaround," Tampa Bay executive vice president Andrew Friedman said. "But you have to give up talent to get talent."
Both teams dealt from areas of their greatest depth to bolster a need. The Rays have highly touted David Price and Jeff Niemann pushing their way into what already was a quality rotation. The Tigers have three veteran corner outfielders -- Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen and Marcus Thames -- and top minor league outfield prospects in Wilkin Ramirez, Clete Thomas and Brent Clevlen.
Ironically, Jackson was drafted by the Los Angeles Dodgers in the sixth round in 2001 as an outfielder from Shaw High in Columbus. He immediately was converted into a pitcher, just as the Texas Rangers once did with Kenny Rogers.
Jackson, who reached the majors at age 19, struggled to make it until this season. He is 25-30 with a 5.15 ERA in parts of six seasons.
"I started controlling situations better before they got out of hand," Jackson said of his significant improvement this season. "It was just a matter of slowing down the situation instead of speeding it up. All that came with experience and getting a chance."
Joyce hit .252 with 12 homers and 33 RBIs in 242 at-bats with the Tigers, displaying a sweet left-handed swing and the ability to cover plenty of ground in the corner outfield spots. He has looked good in the Mexican winter league, cutting down on the strikeouts that plagued him as he often struggled to hit curve balls. Joyce, 24, was born in Tampa and lives in nearby Riverview, Fla.
"There was a lot of interest in Matt," Dombrowski said. "He's not a guy we wanted to trade -- a left-handed hitter with some pop."
Joyce was rumored to be going to Seattle for Putz along with first baseman Jeff Larish and a young pitcher such as Luis Marte.
"We felt we made a significant offer for (Putz)," said Dombrowski, "but they decided to go in another direction."
What Seattle general manager Jack Zduriencik wanted was a center fielder in any deal for Putz, and Mets general manager Omar Minaya helped get him Franklin Gutierrez from the Cleveland Indians.
"There were other offers but they did not come close enough to make a deal," Zduriencik said.
Dombrowski said he discussed multi-player and multi-team deals that involved the Rays and would have brought him a closer.
Now, with Baltimore's George Sherrill and Pittsburgh's Matt Capps unlikely to be traded, only Colorado's Huston Street is left as a likely closer to be had by trade. And Brian Fuentes is the only high-quality free agent closer remaining. Dombrowski, though, said he is not likely to pay the big money Fuentes is seeking.
Dombrowski said one starter likely will "slide" into the bullpen, while adding that a better rotation takes stress off the relievers. Jackson won more games than any Tiger did last season, and matched James Shields for the Tampa Bay lead in victories.
"This makes us a better club," Dombrowski said.
 
LAS VEGAS -- Various news sources expect Kyle Farnsworth, who was 2-3 with a 4.48 ERA last year for the Detroit Tigers and New York Yankees, to sign a two-year deal for $9 million with the Kansas City Royals.
Detroit general manager Dave Dombrowski had no interest in re-signing Farnsworth, 32, who came to the Tigers at mid-season for catcher Ivan Rodriguez and was seldom effective. Kansas City needs setup relievers after trading Ramon Ramirez and Leo Nunez, and appears ready to greatly reward Farnsworth based on his 738 career strikeouts in 735 innings.


Ahhh the good ole Royals....Oh how bad they made my pitching prediction look from the beginning of last season
 
Brewers GM Doug Melvin admitted to having interest in free agents Jamie Moyer, Randy Wolf, John Smoltz and Randy Johnson.

Going for the over 45 crowd (Moyer 46, Wolf 32, Smoltz 41?, RJ 45)
 
yeah...the halos will be in trouble if they don't land tex. they'd almost have to go get manny...


so in other news...nothing important out of the tiger or brewer camps. ;)
 
The WFC inked Raul Ibanez to a 3 year $30 million deal

No point to even play the season now

Just give us our trophy again
 
The WFC inked Raul Ibanez to a 3 year $30 million deal

No point to even play the season now

Just give us our trophy again

Ibanez has had a helluva resurgence the last three years...well above his career averages in HRs & RBIs...at the ages of 34, 35, and 36.

For the Phils benefit, lets hope he's not pulling a Barry Bonds...also, without any illicit "helpers" an athletes performance usually falls off quickly when > 35 yrs old.

Due to his advanced age, I think we'll need to revisit this signing to see if a 37, 38, 39 year old Ibanez is worth $10MM a year......:shake:
 
Put a lefty starter against the Phillies and they are toast. Just lost their only capable RH bat. No RWFC this year. Mets will have this division wrapped up by end of August
 
Reports: Burnett to Yankees

Right-hander A.J. Burnett has reportedly agreed to a five-year, $82.5 million deal with the Yankees
 
Reports: Burnett to Yankees

Right-hander A.J. Burnett has reportedly agreed to a five-year, $82.5 million deal with the Yankees

:cheers:

Best rotation in baseball?

CC - Wang - A.J. - Joba - Pettitte or Hughes

:smiley_acbe::smiley_acbe::smiley_acbe:
 
Put a lefty starter against the Phillies and they are toast. Just lost their only capable RH bat. No RWFC this year. Mets will have this division wrapped up by end of August

Yeah that sounds like a good point...except Ibanez hit .305 against lefties last year and Burrell hit .279....

But surely Pat had better power numbers against lefties you say? Nope. They both had 7 homers, but Ibanez had 17 more RBIs (37-20)

Put Ibanez in the Phillies lineup and homepark and the numbers will go nowhere but up...

Also, Jason Werth is a very capable RH bat

As I was saying...

RWFC.

:smiley_acbe:
 
I still think they have a legit shot at signing Sheets to a 2 year deal
 
I just saw that, too...WTF, Mr. Moreno?

Tex: 28 years old, avg .296/35/118 L5 yrs
Ibanez: 36 yrs old, avg .291/23/98 L5 yrs

Tex is a CORNERSTONE player...Ibanez is a good player at the end of his career...curse those evil Red Sox if they land Tex.......:seeya:

Ibanez is the good ole fashion pro hitter . If your constructing a team with the possibly playoff scenario in the upcoming season(s) then wouldnt you rather pocket the 150 MILLION in savings for the lousy extra 10Hrs and 20RBI you get from Tex ????

Its pure imaginationland here but for Tex money I would rather have Burnett , Ibanez and Sheets ....

His good but Arod proves that no player is worth that waste of cash...
 
Yeah that sounds like a good point...except Ibanez hit .305 against lefties last year and Burrell hit .279....

But surely Pat had better power numbers against lefties you say? Nope. They both had 7 homers, but Ibanez had 17 more RBIs (37-20)

Put Ibanez in the Phillies lineup and homepark and the numbers will go nowhere but up...

Also, Jason Werth is a very capable RH bat

As I was saying...

RWFC.



:smiley_acbe:

Still a quality LH presents trouble. Any good LH is salivating at face 3 LHs even those 3 . Stats are manipulated by the fact we see so many junk LHPs..like the signing but they need a pure RH hitter somewhere...dig up Edgar martinez he would be a perfect fit and Werth is solid but like Pat the Bat swings and misses to often....
 
:cheers:

Best rotation in baseball?

CC - Wang - A.J. - Joba - Pettitte or Hughes

:smiley_acbe::smiley_acbe::smiley_acbe:

They hopefully change their minds again and stick Joba in the pen . You have possibly 4 frontline starters if Hughes matures with the oldest AJ at 32 . By matures with Hughes just be a solid #3 type SP not even talking about the expectations they have . If Pettitte hangs around as the 5th thats great well in reality 4th starter but you get my point . Pettitte was screwed because of the offseason shit IMO. If he redicates himself to working out he will be fine IMHO...
 
Ibanez has had a helluva resurgence the last three years...well above his career averages in HRs & RBIs...at the ages of 34, 35, and 36.

For the Phils benefit, lets hope he's not pulling a Barry Bonds...also, without any illicit "helpers" an athletes performance usually falls off quickly when > 35 yrs old.

Due to his advanced age, I think we'll need to revisit this signing to see if a 37, 38, 39 year old Ibanez is worth $10MM a year......:shake:

36 is advanced age?

I gotta hang it up since I just turned 34. Most players dont see much dropoff until 39/40 nowadays . Bonds can stil out hit 90% of the MLers and I'll end that discussion .
 
The more I look at Tex stats the more overvalued he is in the era of offense. Not to mention playing @ Texas . Its insane he wants 175 million .

.300 35 Hr 115 RBI and thats not even his avgs(just likely prediction) but he wants MVP money ??

Very solid player but hard to believe he is getting better ..

Just hard to see him get 25 million more then Miguel Cabrera doing alot less IMO...Miguel hits 37 127 292 and its down year and in pitchers parks no less

Not that CC's deal wasnt laughable but overpay for SP before a hitter ...
 
Still a quality LH presents trouble. Any good LH is salivating at face 3 LHs even those 3 . Stats are manipulated by the fact we see so many junk LHPs..like the signing but they need a pure RH hitter somewhere...dig up Edgar martinez he would be a perfect fit and Werth is solid but like Pat the Bat swings and misses to often....

I hear ya...in a perfect world Ibanez would be a right handed hitter but truth is theres just not anything out there as far as right handed hitters go

Some more manipulated stats...Jayson Werth led the majors in home runs off lefties...Howard was third...Utley was fourth...

Im not worried about lefties...in reality theres just not that many good ones...obviously Santana, but hes good vs everyone...then theres King Cole who obviously we wont have to face and Sabathia just went to the AL...who else is there thats really a dominant lefty in the NL??

That being said, if your the Mutts...you have to re-sign Perez now...he always gives us problems

Then theres always the flip side of the argument...we're gonna RAKE righties....and 75% of the pitchers in MLB are right handed
 
The more I look at Tex stats the more overvalued he is in the era of offense. Not to mention playing @ Texas . Its insane he wants 175 million .

.300 35 Hr 115 RBI and thats not even his avgs(just likely prediction) but he wants MVP money ??

Very solid player but hard to believe he is getting better ..

Just hard to see him get 25 million more then Miguel Cabrera doing alot less IMO...Miguel hits 37 127 292 and its down year and in pitchers parks no less

Not that CC's deal wasnt laughable but overpay for SP before a hitter ...




you can say tex is overvalued right now, but pretty much everyone is overvalued in my opinion. what do you think manny would be valued at right now if he was 28? much higher i assume. i am more than willing for the sox to offer an 8yr 160-170mil deal, for tex. this takes care of the one major hole that would've pushed us over the top last year. not to mention he gives us 3 gold glove caliber infielders. he may/may not get much better but as you stated in an earlier post, he shouldnt show any dropoff til after this contract is expired. tex is the kind of player theo drools over, great defense, solid obp, and great hitter. and i believe he'll land in boston.

now on the cc deal. i guess you're a nyy fan, but its all a matter of need. you overrpay for need, and the yankees were desparate for sp. i do think the cc deal is over the top, but the 3 yr opt out makes it acceptable, barring he opts out. cc is your typical regular season pitcher. eats up loads of innings, but shits the bed when it matters. he'll be dependable all year, but until he does something in october he will be stealing money from the yankees. im not even going to get into the aj burnett fiasco. 5yr 82 mil lol.
 
They hopefully change their minds again and stick Joba in the pen . You have possibly 4 frontline starters if Hughes matures with the oldest AJ at 32 . By matures with Hughes just be a solid #3 type SP not even talking about the expectations they have . If Pettitte hangs around as the 5th thats great well in reality 4th starter but you get my point . Pettitte was screwed because of the offseason shit IMO. If he redicates himself to working out he will be fine IMHO...


i'd prefer joba to remain a SP...even though i was opposite of that last year.
won't be the best rotation in mlb...but it will be a very, very good one.

cupcake, wang, aj, joba, either sheets or pettitte (whoever signs for less)...and hughes as a 6th option.
you need 6 SPs. cupcake's innings need to remain below 215, so he'll be effective in the postseason. wang's off the injury. aj isn't the most reliable. joba's on an innings watch still. and either sheets or pettitte will hit the DL at some point.
hughes will be fine, and a great 6th SP. the only reason he sucked last year is the cracked rib he tried to throw thru. but just as clay bucholz will be fine in boston, hughes will be fine in ny. jsut have to give these young phenoms time and patience...as both of them will one day be stars for their respective teams.

and kennedy can be #7...or trade bait...before he loses his value like adenhart, bailey, etc. all 3 of those names are great in AAA, but lousy in the bigs so far.

anyways, now for why i'd leave joba as a SP...

they still have damasco marte, from the left. he's a great option to set up for Mo, as he's got closing experience. then there's the youth...the now...

the yanks have a top 5 farm system, top to bottom, according to most sources/experts. that's also why they had by far the most lower level prospects taken in the rule 5 draft this year. anyways, they are extremely loaded with young power arms...some ready to jump into the mix.

mark melancon. the all time saves leader at arizona. he fell to the yanks in the draft a couple years back cuz he needed surgery. he's a year off that, and had an incredible rise thru the ranks last season. he's ready now to be Mo's apprentice. fondy posted a blurb on him elsewhere...but he's the perfect setup guy from the right, until Mo retires...then he'll be the nyy closer.

jb cox. the all time saves leader at texas. he also fell to the yanks in a previous draft. not a KO pitcher...but gets incredible movement, and had a ridiculous whip. no one gets good wood on him, all the way thru the minors.

humberto sanchez. was the next zumaya for the tigers, before they traded him for sheff. needed arm surgery too. now he's back, and just about ready. big power arm...and will show he was worth that trade.

i'm leaving out some others, who are a bit further off...but all 3 of these guys are ready for the bigs. jb cox might not make it until later in the year...but i'd be surprised to not see melancon all season, and sanchez for the majority of it.

bottom line...the yanks and cashman have been brilliant in rebuilding the farm system...and most (non-expert) pundits haven't caught on to reality yet.
quite a few excellent arms have fallen to the yanks in various drafts...they take a chance...wait thru the recoveries from the various surgeries...then have a bunch of gems as prospects. they all won't pan out...but most of them will.
so with all that said, i'm saying that Joba (imho) can be best used as a SP now...with at the very least, Marte and Melancon to set up for Mo. (and not even mentioning the few others from last year's pen...but they're not 8th inning guys like marte and melancon.)


but i also saved the very best for last...though i sincerely hope he'll be a starter, and not a RP...though if he sees the bigs (briefly) this year, it'll be in relief...as he's recovering from surgery as well.
Andrew Brackman. jsut turned 23...6'7" and 270 pounds.
huge mo-fo, who fell to the yanks in the '07 draft cuz he needed surgery. tore it up at NCST...and just tore up the hawaiian fall league, in his first action post recovery.
Brackman IS the next Joba, and more. If he doesn't see some relief work for the yanks this year...he'll definitely be in the bigs by '10. He's that good...that much of a stud. Randy Johnson height, but not a skinny fuck.
Power fastball, between 94-97 consistently...but touches 99...a knuckle curve...and a changeup...are his pitches. And that knuckle curve is graded as an 80 by scouts, on the 20-80 scale.
Anyhow, more later on Brackman. They'll take it easy on his arm this year, limiting his innings. But it won't be long for this one. He's as much of a blue chip pitching prospect as is possible, once fully recovered from that tommy john.

is it time for pitchers and catcher to report yet? they may not be ready...but i am, dammit.
 
They hopefully change their minds again and stick Joba in the pen . You have possibly 4 frontline starters if Hughes matures with the oldest AJ at 32 . By matures with Hughes just be a solid #3 type SP not even talking about the expectations they have . If Pettitte hangs around as the 5th thats great well in reality 4th starter but you get my point . Pettitte was screwed because of the offseason shit IMO. If he redicates himself to working out he will be fine IMHO...


Joba has three +ML level pitches, he'll be a SP and future #1...so I disagree about sticking him back in the BP.....:shake:

Thankfully, Hal Steinbrenner (the one with the brain) is calling the shots and not his loudmouth, drunk brother.
Hal and Cash are HUGE supporters of Joba as a starter.
If he goes back to the BP it'll seriously retard his growth and IMO, a top end SP is much more valuable than an 8th inning guy.
If he was like Mariano, with only one +ML level pitch, then I'd be all for grooming him as The Great One's replacement...but Joba is a future ACE.

Glad you mentioned The Franchise (Hughes). With these signings, it's obvious the Yanks are not "counting on him" for this year...it'll give him a GREAT opportunity to develop further, as he's only 22. IMO, he is going to be a SOLID #2/#3 soon.

Pettitte needs to sign his $10MM offer and get ready for this season. As you mentioned, after the steroid implications and the Yanks standing by him, he "owes us" one last solid season. As a #5 SP Andy will go up against the dregs of the opponent's rotation...would be nice to see him ride off into the sunset with a 12-6, 4.04 type year.

And another World Series ring....

Mully :cheers:
 
you can say tex is overvalued right now, but pretty much everyone is overvalued in my opinion. what do you think manny would be valued at right now if he was 28? much higher i assume. i am more than willing for the sox to offer an 8yr 160-170mil deal, for tex. this takes care of the one major hole that would've pushed us over the top last year. not to mention he gives us 3 gold glove caliber infielders. he may/may not get much better but as you stated in an earlier post, he shouldnt show any dropoff til after this contract is expired. tex is the kind of player theo drools over, great defense, solid obp, and great hitter. and i believe he'll land in boston.

now on the cc deal. i guess you're a nyy fan, but its all a matter of need. you overrpay for need, and the yankees were desparate for sp. i do think the cc deal is over the top, but the 3 yr opt out makes it acceptable, barring he opts out. cc is your typical regular season pitcher. eats up loads of innings, but shits the bed when it matters. he'll be dependable all year, but until he does something in october he will be stealing money from the yankees. im not even going to get into the aj burnett fiasco. 5yr 82 mil lol.

Before you get too excited Beantowner...this jumped right off the page:

Burnett went 18-10 with a 4.07 ERA. He appeared in 35 games and threw 221 1/3 innings, the most of his career.
Burnett, who turns 32 in January, impressed the Yankees in person last season, going 3-1 with a 1.64 ERA against them in five starts. He also has pitched well against the Red Sox in his career, going 5-0 with a 2.56 ERA.


If he pitches with a sub - 3.00 ERA vs. Boston we won't care if he's > 4.25 vs. the rest of the AL.
 
i'd prefer joba to remain a SP...even though i was opposite of that last year.
won't be the best rotation in mlb...but it will be a very, very good one.

cupcake, wang, aj, joba, either sheets or pettitte (whoever signs for less)...and hughes as a 6th option.
you need 6 SPs. cupcake's innings need to remain below 215, so he'll be effective in the postseason. wang's off the injury. aj isn't the most reliable. joba's on an innings watch still. and either sheets or pettitte will hit the DL at some point.
hughes will be fine, and a great 6th SP. the only reason he sucked last year is the cracked rib he tried to throw thru. but just as clay bucholz will be fine in boston, hughes will be fine in ny. jsut have to give these young phenoms time and patience...as both of them will one day be stars for their respective teams.

and kennedy can be #7...or trade bait...before he loses his value like adenhart, bailey, etc. all 3 of those names are great in AAA, but lousy in the bigs so far.

anyways, now for why i'd leave joba as a SP...

they still have damasco marte, from the left. he's a great option to set up for Mo, as he's got closing experience. then there's the youth...the now...

the yanks have a top 5 farm system, top to bottom, according to most sources/experts. that's also why they had by far the most lower level prospects taken in the rule 5 draft this year. anyways, they are extremely loaded with young power arms...some ready to jump into the mix.

mark melancon. the all time saves leader at arizona. he fell to the yanks in the draft a couple years back cuz he needed surgery. he's a year off that, and had an incredible rise thru the ranks last season. he's ready now to be Mo's apprentice. fondy posted a blurb on him elsewhere...but he's the perfect setup guy from the right, until Mo retires...then he'll be the nyy closer.

jb cox. the all time saves leader at texas. he also fell to the yanks in a previous draft. not a KO pitcher...but gets incredible movement, and had a ridiculous whip. no one gets good wood on him, all the way thru the minors.

humberto sanchez. was the next zumaya for the tigers, before they traded him for sheff. needed arm surgery too. now he's back, and just about ready. big power arm...and will show he was worth that trade.

i'm leaving out some others, who are a bit further off...but all 3 of these guys are ready for the bigs. jb cox might not make it until later in the year...but i'd be surprised to not see melancon all season, and sanchez for the majority of it.

bottom line...the yanks and cashman have been brilliant in rebuilding the farm system...and most (non-expert) pundits haven't caught on to reality yet.
quite a few excellent arms have fallen to the yanks in various drafts...they take a chance...wait thru the recoveries from the various surgeries...then have a bunch of gems as prospects. they all won't pan out...but most of them will.
so with all that said, i'm saying that Joba (imho) can be best used as a SP now...with at the very least, Marte and Melancon to set up for Mo. (and not even mentioning the few others from last year's pen...but they're not 8th inning guys like marte and melancon.)


but i also saved the very best for last...though i sincerely hope he'll be a starter, and not a RP...though if he sees the bigs (briefly) this year, it'll be in relief...as he's recovering from surgery as well.
Andrew Brackman. jsut turned 23...6'7" and 270 pounds.
huge mo-fo, who fell to the yanks in the '07 draft cuz he needed surgery. tore it up at NCST...and just tore up the hawaiian fall league, in his first action post recovery.
Brackman IS the next Joba, and more. If he doesn't see some relief work for the yanks this year...he'll definitely be in the bigs by '10. He's that good...that much of a stud. Randy Johnson height, but not a skinny fuck.
Power fastball, between 94-97 consistently...but touches 99...a knuckle curve...and a changeup...are his pitches. And that knuckle curve is graded as an 80 by scouts, on the 20-80 scale.
Anyhow, more later on Brackman. They'll take it easy on his arm this year, limiting his innings. But it won't be long for this one. He's as much of a blue chip pitching prospect as is possible, once fully recovered from that tommy john.

is it time for pitchers and catcher to report yet? they may not be ready...but i am, dammit.

:cheers:
 
The WFC have sured up the back end of their rotation, re-signing Jamie Moyer to a 2 year deal

They also signed Chan Ho Park to a one year deal and expect him to work out of the bullpen/be a spot starter/possibly compete for the #5 spot in the rotation
 
Before you get too excited Beantowner...this jumped right off the page:

Burnett went 18-10 with a 4.07 ERA. He appeared in 35 games and threw 221 1/3 innings, the most of his career.
Burnett, who turns 32 in January, impressed the Yankees in person last season, going 3-1 with a 1.64 ERA against them in five starts. He also has pitched well against the Red Sox in his career, going 5-0 with a 2.56 ERA.


If he pitches with a sub - 3.00 ERA vs. Boston we won't care if he's > 4.25 vs. the rest of the AL.



alls i was saying was giving burnett a 5 yr deal worth 16 mill is laughable to me. he is a solid pitcher but hes not worth that type money, especially with his history with injuries. it doesnt concern you that last year being his best year (4 era?) was also a huge contract year for him. not to mention he did all this with a great defense behind him in toronto, while next year he wont have that same luxury. you are right, he does pitch us well. however, its not like boston doesnt have the arms to match or outpitch him.
 
Pirates sign scrub inf. Ramon Vasquez from Rangers, coming off his best season at the plate...

Pirates looking at former O`s pitcher Cabrera...

Would like the bucs to go ahead a trade Freddy Sanchez ,J.wilson and Capps for as many prospects as possible

It`s going to be a LONG season

Pirates are rebuilding again but with a GM that seems to have a plan...He is loading up with young power pitchers..the more the merrier last year they selected Evan Meek from Bluejays this year Veale from Cubs, and got more arms for Bay and Nady...Pirates hired Joe Kerrigan as piching coach just maybe the buccos are going in the right direction, if a couple arms can develop you can move them for a bat..
 
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alls i was saying was giving burnett a 5 yr deal worth 16 mill is laughable to me.


Absolutely agree, however the Yankees are no longer a favorable destination for free agents to go to. To compensate they have to overpay them big time over the next team just to be able to sign them (i.e. Burnett and especially Sabathia). They are just doing what it takes to get what they want/need.
 
The WFC have sured up the back end of their rotation, re-signing Jamie Moyer to a 2 year deal

They also signed Chan Ho Park to a one year deal and expect him to work out of the bullpen/be a spot starter/possibly compete for the #5 spot in the rotation

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i'm sure that's putting fear into the Mutt's hearts, as we speak.
 
Absolutely agree, however the Yankees are no longer a favorable destination for free agents to go to. To compensate they have to overpay them big time over the next team just to be able to sign them (i.e. Burnett and especially Sabathia). They are just doing what it takes to get what they want/need.


now i agree that they paid too much for both cupcake and aj...but your 1st sentence is hogwash...at least how i'm taking what u r implying.
(the last sentence is accurate though.)

ny is the center of just about everything. there is no bigger mkt, and no bigger stage. like the song says...if u can make it there, you can make it anywhere. just saying that overall there's no more favorable destination in all of baseball...for many, many reasons.

but let's look at these 2 overpaid FA...

CC is a lot like Tex...in that they want to play close to home, on a specific coast. For the Halos to keep Tex, who they desperately need, they'll have to overpay...or lose him to the O's, BoSox, or Nats. Bottom line...Tex would rather play for a team that will lose (o's and nats) than play on the west coast. Well, CC was kinda the reverse...wanting to be in Cali. So to get what they need, the yanks had to overpay. But again, after he opts out in 3 years, it's not overpaying all that much.

AJ is overpaid, but the yanks barely went beyond the offer the Braves had on the table. they needed another SP, so they gave him 500K more a year than what the bravos had offered. Both offers were overpaying for AJ...but it's not like the yanks went way over what he already had on the table @ 5 yrs, 80 mil.

Now, back to NY...
The Yanks do have to overpay in many cases...but for only 2 reasons.
The first reason is simple. Having lived in the 2 biggest mkts...LA and NY...i can tell you that a dollar earned in NYC is not equal to a dollar earned in LA. And it's not because NYC is more expensive, per se...or like how most would think...it's because there's a city tax in NYC. (the same city tax that had jeter in a bit of a mess a while back.) bottom line...it's kinda similar to a canadian team competing with a us team for the same player...in that the same salary will have a lower net/net to the player in one mkt over another.
The second reason is economics and greed. Between the yanks and the yes network, we're talking about an entity worth over 4 billion. There's not another mlb franchise even remotely in the same ballpark. So the players and agents, who are always trying to get every last dollar they can, know that NY's a team to go after...and even squeeze for a bit more, if they think they can get it...providing the demand is there, like it was for CC.
In other words...even though the owner's been crazy at times...the yanks are the one team that will always do what it takes...to win, and to make money. All the players/agents know this, and they use it to their advantage. It's as simple as that...supply & demand, as well as greed.

I'll make a daily life comparison...
My company is being audited later this week by a firm hired by our insurance carrier. Happens every year. This is for general liability, etc. But the main thing they're coming to look at is our revenue for the year. Doesn't really pertain much to the insurance we pay for/hold. Instead, in reality, it's all about confirming how much we make...so they can charge us appropriately. Botton line...the fucks want to make sure they know exactly how much they can charge us. Some jackoff beancounter prolly has a formula somewhere, figuring out the ideal max to charge based solely upon the company's revenue.
anyways, not sure if everything i'm writing makes sense tonight...jsut thought it carried some similarities.
 
Would like the bucs to go ahead a trade Freddy Sanchez ,J.wilson and Capps for as many prospects as possible

It`s going to be a LONG season


there is some hope...
pedro alvarez is going to be a star. the bucs just need to draft better, overall, over the years.

there's no reason for them to not be in TB's shoes. they haven't been run nearly as well, as an organization. but if they'd been drafting well over the past decade, they'd be as stocked with young talent as TB is now.

but if they keep drafting the pedro alvarez-like player every june...they improve their player development...and when the youth comes up to the bigs, they lock them up in long term deals...then they'll be on their way...just like TB.

but you don't want the bucs trading those names w/out someone in charge who knows what they're doing.
look at TBs trade of young before the '08 season. that's how you trade a top prospect, if you're not going to hold him. jsut saying that cuz the bucs got next to nothing for bay, nady, and marte from the yanks and bosox. they gotta do deals a bit better than that...to go along with having better drafts year to year.
 
alls i was saying was giving burnett a 5 yr deal worth 16 mill is laughable to me. he is a solid pitcher but hes not worth that type money, especially with his history with injuries. it doesnt concern you that last year being his best year (4 era?) was also a huge contract year for him. not to mention he did all this with a great defense behind him in toronto, while next year he wont have that same luxury. you are right, he does pitch us well. however, its not like boston doesnt have the arms to match or outpitch him.

I essentially agree with your take and numerous valid points.....:shake:

I have a previous post in here stating that after CC, Lowe was the best FA pitcher available. It seems the Yanks became enamored of A.J. when he constantly kicked our a** this past season. As a Yankee Homer...I have to hope that Burnett's tremendous potential is finally being realized at age 32.

I've read some good takes stating that A.J. doesn't function well being a "top-of-the rotation" starter but is more comfortable in the 3/4 hole...right where he'll fit in Pinstripes. CC and Wang are Aces...so, all A.J. has to do is pitch normally to be successful.

Best rotation in MLB?

CC - Wang - A.J. - Joba - Pettitte or Hughes

I was also doing my best to stir up a little Hot Stove smack-talk with an enemy Beantowner.......:shake:

Mully :cheers:
 
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Absolutely agree, however the Yankees are no longer a favorable destination for free agents to go to. To compensate they have to overpay them big time over the next team just to be able to sign them (i.e. Burnett and especially Sabathia). They are just doing what it takes to get what they want/need.


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Hey Kramer,

I couldn't have said it better myself:

now i agree that they paid too much for both cupcake and aj...but your 1st sentence is hogwash...at least how i'm taking what u r implying.
(the last sentence is accurate though.)

ny is the center of just about everything. there is no bigger mkt, and no bigger stage. like the song says...if u can make it there, you can make it anywhere. just saying that overall there's no more favorable destination in all of baseball...for many, many reasons.

but let's look at these 2 overpaid FA...

CC is a lot like Tex...in that they want to play close to home, on a specific coast. For the Halos to keep Tex, who they desperately need, they'll have to overpay...or lose him to the O's, BoSox, or Nats. Bottom line...Tex would rather play for a team that will lose (o's and nats) than play on the west coast. Well, CC was kinda the reverse...wanting to be in Cali. So to get what they need, the yanks had to overpay. But again, after he opts out in 3 years, it's not overpaying all that much.

AJ is overpaid, but the yanks barely went beyond the offer the Braves had on the table. they needed another SP, so they gave him 500K more a year than what the bravos had offered. Both offers were overpaying for AJ...but it's not like the yanks went way over what he already had on the table @ 5 yrs, 80 mil.

Now, back to NY...
The Yanks do have to overpay in many cases...but for only 2 reasons.
The first reason is simple. Having lived in the 2 biggest mkts...LA and NY...i can tell you that a dollar earned in NYC is not equal to a dollar earned in LA. And it's not because NYC is more expensive, per se...or like how most would think...it's because there's a city tax in NYC. (the same city tax that had jeter in a bit of a mess a while back.) bottom line...it's kinda similar to a canadian team competing with a us team for the same player...in that the same salary will have a lower net/net to the player in one mkt over another.
The second reason is economics and greed. Between the yanks and the yes network, we're talking about an entity worth over 4 billion. There's not another mlb franchise even remotely in the same ballpark. So the players and agents, who are always trying to get every last dollar they can, know that NY's a team to go after...and even squeeze for a bit more, if they think they can get it...providing the demand is there, like it was for CC.
In other words...even though the owner's been crazy at times...the yanks are the one team that will always do what it takes...to win, and to make money. All the players/agents know this, and they use it to their advantage. It's as simple as that...supply & demand, as well as greed.

I'll make a daily life comparison...
My company is being audited later this week by a firm hired by our insurance carrier. Happens every year. This is for general liability, etc. But the main thing they're coming to look at is our revenue for the year. Doesn't really pertain much to the insurance we pay for/hold. Instead, in reality, it's all about confirming how much we make...so they can charge us appropriately. Botton line...the fucks want to make sure they know exactly how much they can charge us. Some jackoff beancounter prolly has a formula somewhere, figuring out the ideal max to charge based solely upon the company's revenue.
anyways, not sure if everything i'm writing makes sense tonight...jsut thought it carried some similarities.

Mully :cheers:
 
I don't see the Yanks as being a favorable place to end up with the media attention, questions in management (no Torre), an older hitting line up, question marks in the pen...
 
I don't see the Yanks as being a favorable place to end up with the media attention, questions in management (no Torre), an older hitting line up, question marks in the pen...

Yeah, as a player I'd hate to go to a franchise that'll do anything to win...HATE IT.

Fondy, I respect your insight but this quote is spoken like a sour grapes Brewers Fan and true Midwesterner........:seeya:

C'mon bro, there is little doubt The Yanks are the PREEMINENT FRANCHISE is all of MLB.

Questionable Mgmt? Cash, Oppenheimer and Hal Steinbrenner form a first rate management structure that'll be there well into the next decade.

If you think Girardi won't adapt to NY and be a much better manager next year...well, I guess you don't believe Mr. Torre himself (from Sunday):

Torre considers Girardi the best prepared and diligent bench coach he has ever had and counseled him often in 2006, when Girardi managed the Marlins.
In 2007, when the Yankees forced Torre out, he reached out to Girardi and encouraged him to seek the job.
"I think it'll be easier. When you're a young manager you want to make sure you do everything. It's not that easy to satisfy all the things you have to satisfy in that city," he said. "Joey is, as I say, very bright, and I think it will be better for him and easier for him."
Torre said it was as important for the players to adjust to Girardi's personality as it was for the manager to make changes. Torre said when he took over the Yankees, he was fortunate to join a team on the rise with leadership in place.
Girardi took over a team in transition in a city where the manager is under constant scrutiny.
"You hear a lot of things, especially when a club is struggling. You hear all the reasons why this happened and that happened," Torre said. "I don't pay a lot of attention. I don't think it's fair."

http://www.lohud.com/article/20081214/SPORTS01/812140403/-1/SPORTS

Older lineup? Yanks are starting to address that...letting Abreu and Giambi walk. Replacing them with Xavier Nady (30) and Nick Swisher (28). Damon and Matsui will both be gone after this year. Young Phenom AJax will be in CF and the Yanks will sign another "in their prime" stud FA or two.

Questionable BP? Please read Yanks take on the BP...the minors is filled with BP prospects...this is an area of STRENGTH and YOUTH...sans The Great One.

Mully :cheers:
 
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mully...don't let him get you going...as that was his intent w/ that comment. he likes to sit at the comp all day, and think of ways to instigate...at least when he's not picking scabs.

media attention...
there's no greater place for it. now if you're a coward, who folds under pressure...then yes, nyc is not for you. but mlb players, especially the good ones, are attention whores w/ very large egos. what better place to get that attention & have your ego stroked? the media capital of the world also brings other income...in that the more you're in the public eye, the more likely you are to get endorsements.
but whether the yanks win the series, or they miss the playoffs...they are always the most relevant story.

management...
there's never a question w/ ownership, and the GM is locked up. no torre, but big deal. there are a dozen managers that could run the yankees on the field and in the clubhouse jsut as well. it's completely irrelevant.
and fwiw, it was time for torre and the yanks to move on. he was a very good manager for ny...but since mel left, he simply could not handle a pitching staff...especially a bullpen...which he again showed in LA.

older lineup...
true...but if they produce, it's a non factor. and if they don't produce...well, you all know what the yanks will do...they'll take whatever actions are necessary to fix things...which is why if you're not a nyy fan, you hate them. nothing more than sour grapes.

pen...
let's see...if a SP can last 7 innings, he's already got Marte and Mo to handle the 8th and 9th. there will be more...but even as of this minute, that's a very good (and proven) 2 RPs to trust with the last 2 innings of your win.

:popcorn:
 
I don't see the Yanks as being a favorable place to end up with the media attention, questions in management (no Torre), an older hitting line up, question marks in the pen...

Bingo.


Bring Teixera to the Sox and let Manny go to the Yanks we can finally have an exciting early season Sox/Yanks game like a few years ago. I get excited thinking about it.
 
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