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No network will pick up any new league because the NFL and NCAA won't like it
Disagree to an extent, though I wouldn't if I was a major player with NCAA or NFL. We saw what ESPN did to Hockey.
No network will pick up any new league because the NFL and NCAA won't like it
And the day they start paying players in the way people are discussing, the sport is dead to me.
Not all football programs make money to support themselves. Sure the big boys do .. but a lot of those smaller schools lose money on the football program.
It is a voluntary act to play college football and one in which the school actually gives away scholarships to academically undeserving students. That should be enough. If they want to get paid, go to the NFL or CFL or Arena league. Oh you are not good enough? Then get the free training that the schools are providing you to get good enough. Oh you are still not good enough? Use the expensive education they are providing to your for free to learn a skill or trade to make a good life for yourself. If you don't think that playing college football is good for you then don't play. It's that simple.
What is not simple is starting to pay college athletes. How do you pay the football player more than the swim team player? Do you now have to market each sport equally to be fair to each STUDENT-athlete? It is such a slippery slope .... and it will make the sport and recruiting all the more ugly. Don't get me wrong, it is tough for Texas to compete in recruiting with programs like Bama and Oklahoma who are already paying players but once paying becomes acceptable it is going to get seriously nasty.
And the day they start paying players in the way people are discussing, the sport is dead to me.
Yeah but there isn't a correction coming IMO
The only way a correction comes is if payments to players reach a level where universities are uncomfortable. Then a reasonable amount of universities go to a truly amateur model where only kids who would have been admitted to the school regardless of athletic prowess play football. That's about the only way I can see business getting out of the way. I wouldn't be opposed to the NFL coming up with their own minor league system but they're not even going to think about it as long as colleges are providing that for free. And colleges aren't about to stop providing it as long as the football program is a cash cow that funds the entire athletic department and then some
I haven't read the whole thread and I'm not going to, but Texas should fire the AD, and then fire their stupid fucking fans and boosters. Charlie Strong is the one guy who should still be standing when its all said and done. If they can him, I hope he goes to another Big 12 school (like KSU after Snyder is gone) and fucks Texas up each year for their arrogance and stupidity.
This is a strong point. Not to mention Title9 implications. A lot of SEC teams don't even have soccer teams because SEC does not have soccer due to Title9. SC has to play in CUSA for soccer due to this. The point of where it goes from there in terms of all sports is the slippery slope for me. Some schools operate a net negative budget aside from football. I am sure a good more than I think operate a net negative budget across the board.There is no gun to the heads of these kids. They do not have to play college football. They can practice at any number of camps and then go on to the NFL. If it is not good for them, they have the option to not do it.
You are effectively going to end college sports. There is no way you can pay all the college athletes. Women won't even be able to play sports anymore because all of their programs will have to be shut down.
In regards to Strong someone else made the point that he has 0 connections in Texas and neither do any of his coaches in regards to recruiting. He is also a poor fit schematically. He is not a bad coach just not a good coach for Texas. Shoot SC will take him once Spurrier admits he has Alzheimer's
Ya'll understand Texas more than me.
He hired Strong(whom yall seem to love, I guess) AND Shaka Smart right?
why is he out?
Tom Herman will have this job within a couple years.
See my post.
Not all football programs make money to support themselves. Sure the big boys do .. but a lot of those smaller schools lose money on the football program.
It is a voluntary act to play college football and one in which the school actually gives away scholarships to academically undeserving students. That should be enough. If they want to get paid, go to the NFL or CFL or Arena league. Oh you are not good enough? Then get the free training that the schools are providing you to get good enough. Oh you are still not good enough? Use the expensive education they are providing to your for free to learn a skill or trade to make a good life for yourself. If you don't think that playing college football is good for you then don't play. It's that simple.
What is not simple is starting to pay college athletes. How do you pay the football player more than the swim team player? Do you now have to market each sport equally to be fair to each STUDENT-athlete? It is such a slippery slope .... and it will make the sport and recruiting all the more ugly. Don't get me wrong, it is tough for Texas to compete in recruiting with programs like Bama and Oklahoma who are already paying players but once paying becomes acceptable it is going to get seriously nasty.
One of your more coherent posts; couldn't agree more.
good call on south bammer
Is 5 games enough?
Texas coach Charlie Strong said social media is the downfall of society. It may be the downfall of the entire UT football program.
Two days after freshman Kris Boyd tweeted at halftime of the TCU game, two more freshmen lashed out at junior Dylan Haines after the safety criticized the younger players’ work ethic.
“They just want to go out and play the game on Saturday.,” Haines said of the freshmen. “They don’t want to put in the work on Sunday and Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
“You can just kind of go through the motions in practice, or you can go out there and practice,” he added. “We’re trying to get where everyone — 100 percent of the people — on the team are just going out there stealing reps in practice. Just get as much done as you can.”
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“People get in front of the cameras and just talk they heads off,” Omenihu added in a subsequent tweet that was deleted. “Always remember think before you speak.”
Sophomore receiver Armanti Foreman tweeted, “I walk around campus every day, no body guard, no security! If you have something to say please say it (to) me and stop hiding behind Twitter!”
That prompted freshman receiver DeAndre McNeal to post a long message on Twitter via screenshot.
“We’re supposed to be a team, but instead we’re bashing each other,” McNeal said. “If you don’t want to be here at Texas then kick rocks. We haven’t won ANYTHING to have people calling out others.”
Cornerback Duke Thomas said he spoke with Boyd about retweeting a message at halftime of the TCU game. A Texas A&M fan posted a message implying that Boyd and linebacker Malik Jefferson should transfer to College Station.
Ironically, Texas coach Charlie Strong said he held a team meeting after the Longhorns returned from Fort Worth on Saturday. During that meeting, Boyd stood up and apologized to the team.
“I feel like it’s a lot different now,” said Thomas, a senior. “I don’t know if they completely understand it. I feel like with younger kids now, they’re into social media so much, it’s hard to stop them from doing what they’ve always done.
“We have to teach them they can’t be on social media all time. Everything isn’t for the public to hear.”
Put this in another thread but it seems more relevant here.
Texas isn't "just bad." They're younger than probably any team in the country. At one point last week early in the game the safety and both corners were true freshmen.
Last week against TCU 15 true freshmen, 7 redshirt freshmen and 11 true sophomores played. All of them scholarship players. So 33 of your 85 scholarships haven't been on campus for even a full 18 months yet. And not just on special teams.
The starting left tackle and right guard are true freshmen. The starting QB is a redshirt freshman. Middle linebacker, DBs, etc True or redshirt freshmen or true sophomores logging major minutes bc the upperclassmen above them simply aren't good enough.
People nationally (and even locally) still don't fully realize how bad it had gotten at Texas. Mack Brown got lazy his last 4-5 years and when that happens, you build a lazy culture. Now the upperclassmen that should be leaders are so used to losing they don't know any different.
Charlie Strong has been forced to change a culture he didn't create. And he's changing it. It's just happening in a time that has more eyes on it than ever before and platforms for frustrations to be aired out.
Also, Texas hasn't had any help from its schedule either. They played ND week 1 that has NFL talent all over the field and specifically at spots where Texas had young and inexperienced talent. Cal has a first round QB and offense to go with it and Oklahoma State is leading the country in sacks (they will give West Virginia a run for their money for that very reason). Even in spite of the bad calls and special teams gafs, they are two plays away from being 3-2 right now.
TCU should've beat them that way. Heisman trophy candidate QB with a Biletnikoff candidate WR in Doctson. And freshmen in your secondary to stop them.
People just need to relax and give Strong some time. It's not apples to apples but before finally hiring a new coordinator last year, Patterson and TCU went 7-6, 4-8 and 4-8. Oddly enough they were playing a lot of players that had no business seeing that much time then as well.
The best teams let the young pups cut their teeth on special teams and cleanup duty late in games with a few special players logging more time than that at their actual position. This team is literally the exact opposite.
I don't believe Strong is in over his head. He understands the weight of it and will be given another year to get it right. The problem is our fan base has unrealistic expectations and is unwilling to accept that We Are Texas....just not the Texas we've always been.
Think about this: Mack Brown inherited Leonard Davis, Casey Hampton, Shaun Rodgers and Major Applewhite. Oh and some guy named Ricky that was pretty damn good. Strong didn't have anyone of that caliber when he arrived save for maybe the DT Brown that went to the Pats in the first round.
The talent level leaves a lot to be desired and he's working to bring that up. The culture is fractured and unfortunately the lumps being taken are very public. Twitter, Instagram, FB, etc weren't as prevalent when other brand programs were in their ruts. And just generally speaking, people love to hate Texas. And in many cases a lot of our stupid fans give them reason to. I remember when we were winning 10+ games for basically a decade and people were calling for Brown's head every year lol
It's ugly. But it will get better. Just not as fast as many (unrealistically) think it should.
The strained HS coaches relationship narrative is flat out not true.With Texas it's just as much about being able to press the flesh as it is coaching. Mack was great at one, but terrible at the other. And Strong is seriously lacking in this department. Winning cures all of this, but Strong is way behind the 8 ball in Texas against coaches like Briles and Patterson. And from what I've been hearing he's already got a strained relationship with the Texas highschool coaches. Which is not good, and already showing in his recruiting..