Saban retiring...

gps_3 said:
Same as it has been. Nobody is happy, but still full confidence in De Boer. I don't think our AD cares very much what the fans think at this point. You going to keep bumping this thread every time we lose?
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No, I will not keep bumping it.

We can measure the season, when it is complete, but this ain't the Saban coached Bama D which was nasty most years.

And I do thank you for answering my question because I know you are dialed in to the program and extremely knowledgeable.

2 more losses, and major heat will be on Kalen and all who were involved in his hire.

Then they can buy him out and we will take him in Norman.
 
HUNT said:
Majent, don't care if you bump the thread. But please stop quoting people. It's a year and a half thread. 🤝
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Point duly noted and very fair about quoting anyone, but we are just 14 games into the post-Saban era at 'Bama so the length of time may be 1.5 years but the subject is extremely relevant.

See you in AA next Sat night, My Friend.

Hoping for an instant classic. 🤝
 
majent said:
Point duly noted and very fair about quoting anyone, but we are just 14 games into the post-Saban era at 'Bama so the length of time may be 1.5 years but the subject is extremely relevant.

See you in AA next Sat night, My Friend.

Hoping for an instant classic. 🤝
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Subject is totally relevant, as I said before. Keep posting in the thread if you want....Some members just don't wanted to be quoted for things they posted a long time ago is all. Alwyas appreciate your football thoughts.

Hopefully we get a good one, although I'm not really feeling it from my team at the moment.

🤝
 
majent said:
No, I will not keep bumping it.

We can measure the season, when it is complete, but this ain't the Saban coached Bama D which was nasty most years.

And I do thank you for answering my question because I know you are dialed in to the program and extremely knowledgeable.

2 more losses, and major heat will be on Kalen and all who were involved in his hire.

Then they can buy him out and we will take him in Norman.
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Then who goes to Bama?
 
HUNT said:
Then who goes to Bama?
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They will probably have a pick of many top candidates again, no?

Will obviously be much different following Kalen than it was Saint Nick.

Let's see if Kalen can turn it around.

I have nothing against the guy. In fact I think he is a very talented coach.

I simply did not like the fit here when he was hired.

I still do not like it.
 
majent said:
No, I will not keep bumping it.

We can measure the season, when it is complete, but this ain't the Saban coached Bama D which was nasty most years.

And I do thank you for answering my question because I know you are dialed in to the program and extremely knowledgeable.

2 more losses, and major heat will be on Kalen and all who were involved in his hire.

Then they can buy him out and we will take him in Norman.
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The heat is already on. He knows what he signed up for. But I think Byrne knows that some of these bigger picture issues started under Saban, and he was able to pull them across the finish line through sheer will power, but he ultimately decided he didn't want to keep doing it. A 4+ loss season will definitely require DeBoer to shake up the staff and have a scorching hot seat in 2026. But there's a lot of time left in this season and I honestly have no idea how it's going to play out. Guys are saying the right things, we'll see if they mean it
 
gps_3 said:
The heat is already on. He knows what he signed up for. But I think Byrne knows that some of these bigger picture issues started under Saban, and he was able to pull them across the finish line through sheer will power, but he ultimately decided he didn't want to keep doing it. A 4+ loss season will definitely require DeBoer to shake up the staff and have a scorching hot seat in 2026. But there's a lot of time left in this season and I honestly have no idea how it's going to play out. Guys are saying the right things, we'll see if they mean it
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That's a great post that people aren't understanding.

Saban era was starting to fade a bit... Those teams were still very good but small cracks were showing.
 
gps_3 said:
The heat is already on. He knows what he signed up for. But I think Byrne knows that some of these bigger picture issues started under Saban, and he was able to pull them across the finish line through sheer will power, but he ultimately decided he didn't want to keep doing it. A 4+ loss season will definitely require DeBoer to shake up the staff and have a scorching hot seat in 2026. But there's a lot of time left in this season and I honestly have no idea how it's going to play out. Guys are saying the right things, we'll see if they mean it
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100% !

I view you guys a lot like USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan -- when you guys are a great squad, it makes college football that much better so I hope you guys can build off of this game.

Besides, these days you can have 2 losses and who knows maybe more, and still make the 12 team playoff field.

Even my Sooners (gulp) may have a chance, but I am not holding my breath !
 
gps_3 said:
The heat is already on. He knows what he signed up for. But I think Byrne knows that some of these bigger picture issues started under Saban, and he was able to pull them across the finish line through sheer will power, but he ultimately decided he didn't want to keep doing it. A 4+ loss season will definitely require DeBoer to shake up the staff and have a scorching hot seat in 2026. But there's a lot of time left in this season and I honestly have no idea how it's going to play out. Guys are saying the right things, we'll see if they mean it
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What are the bigger picture issues at the end of the Saban era? Just curious, not sure if you already mentioned in the thread previously
 
survive&advance said:
What are the bigger picture issues at the end of the Saban era? Just curious, not sure if you already mentioned in the thread previously
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During the 2022 season, it was mentioned several times that some of our players, even the great ones like Will Anderson, were suffering from anxiety during games. We were heavily penalized in Saban's last few seasons, especially the late hit/unsportsmanlike variety, and some major mis-evaluations in the classes post-Covid, particularly at DL, OL and WR. But Saban was the best, and he figured out how to make it work as well as possible. Don't get me wrong, DeBoer walked into a pretty great situation in a lot of respects, but it wasn't quite the fine tuned machine that it was made out to be, even by our own people. It doesn't excuse what we saw on Saturday by any stretch, but it's not at all surprising that the "rebuild" may take more than a season or two
 
@gps_3 last note for now:

The upcoming schedule looks so brutal though, doesn't it?

vs Wisconsin (I predict Bama W)
@ Georgia (I predict Loss)
@ Mizzu (toss up?)
vs Tennessee (toss up?)
@ So Caro (maybe a Loss?)
vs LSU (maybe a Loss?)
vs OU (I predict you guys beat my Sooners)
@ Auburn (toss up?)

The schedule is absolutely nuts. I guess most are in the SEC these days but my God that is a freaking landmine of games.

You guys are probably more talented player for player except for Georgia who might be slightly better in overall talent and LSU who may be equal?

It feels like there are at least two more losses on that schedule.

I cannot imagine sayin that when Saint Nick was there.

You guys have had The Bear and The Saint - two Mount Rushmore guys.

Who the hell would want to follow those guys! Completely unfair !!!!
 
I really can’t predict what’s going to happen now. We are clearly capable of losing to pretty much anyone in the schedule. We’re more talented on paper than every team on our schedule, including UGA, but we look more like paper tigers at this point
 
gps_3 said:
I really can’t predict what’s going to happen now. We are clearly capable of losing to pretty much anyone in the schedule. We’re more talented on paper than every team on our schedule, including UGA, but we look more like paper tigers at this point
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Perhaps prep for games an issue?
 

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Frank Costanza said:
The one thing that struck me from DeBoer's post-game presser was that he made reference to "....we need to just start playing our style of football.''

Has he defined what that style is?
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He and Grubb both keep referencing they need to play looser and faster. I think there may be some mental weight with the program of being the team that ends the dynasty and being so worried about messing up that they play scared. Not sure how they can fix that other than to just stop caring as much, which is tough
 
It’s always “one game”.
The trend is your friend.🆙🌊
Lighter week for some…I personally love this kind of 1st week.
 
gps_3 said:
He and Grubb both keep referencing they need to play looser and faster. I think there may be some mental weight with the program of being the team that ends the dynasty and being so worried about messing up that they play scared. Not sure how they can fix that other than to just stop caring as much, which is tough
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Poor LA-Monroe is going to get absolutely eviscerated by you guys this Saturday........
 
In reference to the thread being revived…..fast forward 2 years and Saban becomes the coach of Auburn or Florida and wins 6 titles and dominates for a decade and a half. The man single handedly kept my Alma Mater from at least 2 if not 3 or more National Championships. (He plucked a ton of 5 stars from our small state.) We understand the pain and the circumstances. My boss is a big Bama fan. Its been a long week for us not him. Lol.
The Process can’t be replaced or reproduced. Saban managed to match the best players and discipline in a way we will never see again. Just be grateful you’re fighting for 12 playoff spots vs just 4 and even worse just 2. January 2012 will never leave our memories.
 
I really like Bama and really like DeBoer but his frozen response on Wednesday to the On3 report was scary.

The idea that he is going anywhere seems laughable, with Bama or anyone else. It's a borderline 9-figure issue (buyout, assistants, new hire) that no one will undertake, especially in today's world of CFB investing.

Like Lance Taylor, I'm going to die on the hill with DeBoer as I think he's a great coach. Maybe just not meant for this particular area code but I'm still going to ride it out.
 
cubsker said:
No one is going to say it? Everybody can buy players now.
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Maybe, but in the NIL era, Alabama finished 1st, 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in recruiting. Sure some of the depth took a hit with the portal, but talent isn't and hasn't been the issue the last 5 years.
 
Frank Costanza said:
I really like Bama and really like DeBoer but his frozen response on Wednesday to the On3 report was scary.

The idea that he is going anywhere seems laughable, with Bama or anyone else. It's a borderline 9-figure issue (buyout, assistants, new hire) that no one will undertake, especially in today's world of CFB investing.

Like Lance Taylor, I'm going to die on the hill with DeBoer as I think he's a great coach. Maybe just not meant for this particular area code but I'm still going to ride it out.
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He's not going anywhere just yet. I don't think the buyout is that big an obstacle if a change is necessary, but Byrne is smart enough to know if you fire someone less than 2 years in, your candidate gets a lot smaller and a lot more expensive. Alabama fans and that dbag booster that talked to a reporter are trying to compare DeBoer to Saban and not to the rest of the country's coaches. Day, Dabo, Sark, Lanning, Kelly, even Kirby had their own issues as young head coaches. De Boer is too good to not be given a fair shake.

Cant' believe Chris Low authored that article btw. I know he doesn't owe De Boer much of anything, but he was given the most access inside the Alabama program when Saban was coaching there. If he had put that article out while Nick was still head coach, he'd never see the inside of the football facility again.
 
majent said:
Poor LA-Monroe is going to get absolutely eviscerated by you guys this Saturday........
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Maybe. Hard to say after what happened last week. Regardless of the score, I think the fans just want to see everyone on the team giving max effort. I think some of the "loafing" from last week was a little overblown and it's near impossible to tell everything from the sideline camera view, but the team needs to get on the field and have something good happen. We won't be the last team to lay an egg this season
 
Undisciplined 5 stars don't make a great team. If the egos aren't put in check the results wont match the recruiting rankings.
 
Frank Costanza said:
I really like Bama and really like DeBoer but his frozen response on Wednesday to the On3 report was scary.

The idea that he is going anywhere seems laughable, with Bama or anyone else. It's a borderline 9-figure issue (buyout, assistants, new hire) that no one will undertake, especially in today's world of CFB investing.

Like Lance Taylor, I'm going to die on the hill with DeBoer as I think he's a great coach. Maybe just not meant for this particular area code but I'm still going to ride it out.
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AJ McCarron said it best the other day. Bama has at most a $20 million NIL budget which neutralizes them with the competition. DeBoer's buyout is 3x that amount. It's not him, I think they brought him in to manage one of the biggest transitions (not just coach to coach) in any sport in our lifetimes. There is so much going on in NCAA sports that the Saban era simply can't exist now.
 
KJ said:
AJ McCarron said it best the other day. Bama has at most a $20 million NIL budget which neutralizes them with the competition. DeBoer's buyout is 3x that amount. It's not him, I think they brought him in to manage one of the biggest transitions (not just coach to coach) in any sport in our lifetimes. There is so much going on in NCAA sports that the Saban era simply can't exist now.
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I've known AJ for a long time. He was in the same class as my sister (same HS I went to). He is undoubtedly one of the most accomplished QBs to play at Alabama. That said, he is not well liked by his teammates, and even less by later players at Alabama. Some of the things he says are true. Our budget is around the $20MM mark, which puts us in the top 8-10 in the country, but fairly far behind the Ohio Sts, Texas schools and Notre Dame. De Boer was brought in to take into the next era full stop. He is not here to be a middleman or whatever. He still has the full faith and support of the administration and the boosters, outside of the one guy (who I know personally) who thought it would be a good idea to talk to Chris Low. I can assure you that it's being handled
 
gps_3 said:
I've known AJ for a long time. He was in the same class as my sister (same HS I went to). He is undoubtedly one of the most accomplished QBs to play at Alabama. That said, he is not well liked by his teammates, and even less by later players at Alabama. Some of the things he says are true. Our budget is around the $20MM mark, which puts us in the top 8-10 in the country, but fairly far behind the Ohio Sts, Texas schools and Notre Dame. De Boer was brought in to take into the next era full stop. He is not here to be a middleman or whatever. He still has the full faith and support of the administration and the boosters, outside of the one guy (who I know personally) who thought it would be a good idea to talk to Chris Low. I can assure you that it's being handled
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I really didn't care who said it, the point being that everyone who thinks Bama is so loaded with NIL doesn't really understand it. They are not elite when it comes to the money.
 
What's crazy is that the Mormons are better at this game than anyone. They don't blow their money on booze and gambling.
 
KJ said:
I really didn't care who said it, the point being that everyone who thinks Bama is so loaded with NIL doesn't really understand it. They are not elite when it comes to the money.
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We've never been elite with the money. Even when it was under the table. Revenue sharing was a great thing for us, because it allows us to be competitive in a free market in a way that we wouldn't have been with the way it's been the last few years. We are and will be top 10 when it comes to money, but we won't come close to those top 5 teams. But again, the same programs that are tops in spending now have been tops in spending for decades, so its not like it's all that different
 
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KJ said:
What's crazy is that the Mormons are better at this game than anyone. They don't blow their money on booze and gambling.
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This is an underrepresented fact. The LDS apparatus is very involved in buying players outside the church in a way they've been hesitant in the past. Especially in basketball
 
gps_3 said:
This is an underrepresented fact. The LDS apparatus is very involved in buying players outside the church in a way they've been hesitant in the past. Especially in basketball
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Much easier to buy 5 than 22

Let's look back on their commitments. Jim McMahon....wtf? That is how money worked in the 80s.
 
Wally Joyner was BYU and chased tail all over MLB. Man that place has the rig figured out

Valley is heavy Mormon out East (Mesa, etc) so we have our fair share. First person that comes to mind when someone says Mormon is Jodi Arias. Hot murder and why we always question the women we meet.
 
majent said:
Nice win today @gps_3

You guys are getting healthy. 💪
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The opponents haven't been great, but the attitude of the team is night and day different from week 1. Hopefully they can sustain it. I think the team/program is finally all the way bought into DeBoer. The fans will take a while longer
 
I just have a thought to say, I see Saban more now than when he was coaching. ESPN+ has their own ad runs now. They do one with Kidde the fire extinguisher and smoke alarm company or AFLAC or whatever else he's in. So now, when you switch between games on ESPN+ you are seeing their adds over and over again a lot of time before they show before taking you to the actual game. It's not the normal pharmaceutical and car company adds, it's like the same 4-5 spots run over and over. Watching games for 12 hours a day on multiple TVs, it's a lot of coach Saban.
 
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