LSU Coaching Search

Aranda makes sense but is a high risk play that probably does not work out.

The Fisher possibility is interesting and could be a blockbuster. I could actually see that happening but not likely.

Campbell is the best man for the job but might not be sexy enough.

I think Franklin would rather coach USC.

Tough hire. They probably screw it up.
 
TahoeLegend said:
No doubt about it, they ARE the most under performing school in college football history

No school has more money, no school loves football more, no school has more loyal alums, no school in the country is right in the middle of more high school talent, no school has a better in-game experience, no school has more rabid fans.

aTm won a couple of national titles more than a century ago and won one 82 years ago. By comparison, LSU, which competed with aTm for years as the most under performing team, has won three national titles, under three different coaches, in the last 20 years.

While LSU was doing that, aTm won one conference title in the last 30 years. And during that same time they were 6-14 in bowl games until Jimbo arrived. He has no conference titles, hasn't even come close, but is 3-0 in bowls, and they love him

Which is another reason aTm is a better job--the aTm fans are not insane. If a coach can just make them competitive they will love him and make him the highest paid coach in the land.
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They have to turn off a lot of potential players with their "culture".
 
The west coast version of Orgeron is just waiting for the call. Either that or I am hoping LSU hires Cristobal before Miami makes that mistake.
 
The problem for LSU is that Les Miles is the worst football coach of all time now and that is the minimum of what you have to do and nobody is going to do what Les Miles did. It is an impossible job outside of winning a national championship.
 
LSU is also not nearly as easy a job as people think it is which Orgeron has shown. LSU lost to Texas A&M so many years in a row they took them off the schedule. That was a big game until then. Then Saban came in and started cheating at a level unknown in college history and Miles continued it. Now you've got Missouri openly cheating and bringing in a Top 15 class.
 
Instant Hole said:
LSU is also not nearly as easy a job as people think it is which Orgeron has shown. LSU lost to Texas A&M so many years in a row they took them off the schedule. That was a big game until then. Then Saban came in and started cheating at a level unknown in college history and Miles continued it. Now you've got Missouri openly cheating and bringing in a Top 15 class.
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Agreed about missoura
 
Instant Hole said:
LSU is also not nearly as easy a job as people think it is which Orgeron has shown. LSU lost to Texas A&M so many years in a row they took them off the schedule. That was a big game until then. Then Saban came in and started cheating at a level unknown in college history and Miles continued it. Now you've got Missouri openly cheating and bringing in a Top 15 class.
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Not “easy” as far as pressure, but it’s set up to win. 4 national title games in 20 years.

With an Bama and Clemson dynasty in the mix
 
twinkie13 said:
Not “easy” as far as pressure, but it’s set up to win. 4 national title games in 20 years.

With an Bama and Clemson dynasty in the mix
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Like I said, Texas A&M dominated LSU. They are still cheating. Texas is going to cheat. Every team in the SEC is set up to win and ready to pay to do it.
 
From the 1980s to the late 1990s when LSU finally took them off the schedule. LSU did not get serious about football until Saban came in and really revolutionized cheating. However, if you get dominated by a school to the point that you have to take them off the schedule, you have no advantage.
 
Instant Hole said:
LSU is also not nearly as easy a job as people think it is which Orgeron has shown. LSU lost to Texas A&M so many years in a row they took them off the schedule. That was a big game until then. Then Saban came in and started cheating at a level unknown in college history and Miles continued it. Now you've got Missouri openly cheating and bringing in a Top 15 class.
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LSU is a top job and they should be a consistent top 10 program.
 
Are we really comparing LSU to Texas A&M who hasn't been relevant in a long time. Hire the right guy and LSU will do well. If they hire someone like Cristobal they will continue losing 3 plus games a year.
 
That is the expectation. But you can say the same for Alabama, Texas, Texas A&M and now every team in the conference. Once they all start paying the same, there is no advantage. These teams are going to beat up on one another and fire their coaches every five years. Their records will always be worse than expected.
 
Instant Hole said:
That is the expectation. But you can say the same for Alabama, Texas, Texas A&M and now every team in the conference. Once they all start paying the same, there is no advantage. These teams are going to beat up on one another and fire their coaches every five years. Their records will always be worse than expected.
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Its all about having the right coach in place. Alabama was a mess for years before Saban came on board and they will probably take major steps back when he walks away. Texas for the most part has underachieved and I don't see that changing under Sark. A&M has rarely been good and Fisher has not shown himself to be capable of building and sustaining a consistent winner. He had FSU at the top but it fell apart quickly.

Even Dabo who had Clemson as a top program for years is now learning its not so easy to stay at the top. These ADs are mostly incompetent so who knows what LSU will do but they have everything it takes to be a consistent top 5-10 team.

Really its not easy to build and sustain a great program. I always bring up Miami but they were everything that Alabama is today from the mid 80s till the early 2000s but have been irrelevant ever since because they have hired nothing but losers since Butch Davis went to Cleveland. Florida State right now looks like Miami has from 2005 or so. The game of the year every season was Miami vs FSU and that game now means nothing. Its all about hiring the right guy and going from there but there are probably only 10 programs or so with the potential to be consistent national title contenders and LSU is definitely one of those teams. Whether or not they hire the right guy is up to them but the upside is there.
 
brewers888 said:
Its all about having the right coach in place. Alabama was a mess for years before Saban came on board and they will probably take major steps back when he walks away. Texas for the most part has underachieved and I don't see that changing under Sark. A&M has rarely been good and Fisher has not shown himself to be capable of building and sustaining a consistent winner. He had FSU at the top but it fell apart quickly.

Even Dabo who had Clemson as a top program for years is now learning its not so easy to stay at the top. These ADs are mostly incompetent so who knows what LSU will do but they have everything it takes to be a consistent top 5-10 team.

Really its not easy to build and sustain a great program. I always bring up Miami but they were everything that Alabama is today from the mid 80s till the early 2000s but have been irrelevant ever since because they have hired nothing but losers since Butch Davis went to Cleveland. Florida State right now looks like Miami has from 2005 or so. The game of the year every season was Miami vs FSU and that game now means nothing. Its all about hiring the right guy and going from there but there are probably only 10 programs or so with the potential to be consistent national title contenders and LSU is definitely one of those teams. Whether or not they hire the right guy is up to them but the upside is there.
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Right. You have to be more than a good coach. You have to be an organizational guy. You are basically coach and general manager. If you have to be able to recruit, hire a good coaching staff and put together a game plan. You need a Saban, Mack Brown or Franklin. If you do not have one of those guys, you cannot stay elite. You will have good runs and then somebody else will take your place. That is what is going to happen in the SEC. They will just trade off winning and losing. It is the NFL now.
 
Swinney is successful because he cheats at a historic level. Here is a guy that was a mediocre OC and cheated his way to the top. His recruiting luck has run out on him now so he is having a bad year because some of his guys did not turn out.
 
Fisher is a horrible coach but he is a good organizational guy. That is why he would be LSU's best hire. He is going to cheat like crazy and hire good assistants and he can glad hand with the best of them. That is what you are looking for.
 
Instant Hole said:
Fisher is a horrible coach but he is a good organizational guy. That is why he would be LSU's best hire. He is going to cheat like crazy and hire good assistants and he can glad hand with the best of them. That is what you are looking for.
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Fisher is an outstanding coach. If given time, his QBs understand the game very well. Paul Johnson was always praised for being an outstanding in-game coach. Jimbo is very similar. He needs a QB that does what he envisions. Put him at LSU, he wins a NC w/in 3 years.
 
booksbestfriend said:
Fisher is an outstanding coach. If given time, his QBs understand the game very well. Paul Johnson was always praised for being an outstanding in-game coach. Jimbo is very similar. He needs a QB that does what he envisions. Put him at LSU, he wins a NC w/in 3 years.
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It is a bit of an exaggeration. He is pretty good coach but not elite. His Florida State teams quit on him every year. They did not respect him. That is part of being an elite cheater. A&M is a military school so you do not have the same lax attitude you have to deal with at FSU.

Fisher is good at building an organization. That is his real strength along with recruiting.
 
brewers888 said:
I see Fickell staying at Cincy until a big job opens in the midwest. Just don't see him as a USC type and think he would want to stay as far away from the SEC as possible. He is probably hoping that Day goes to the NFL which I doubt ever happens or that Kelly decides to retire so he can go to Notre Dame.
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Yeah he's ND, bucks, maybe psu.
 
Instant Hole said:
Aranda makes sense but is a high risk play that probably does not work out.

The Fisher possibility is interesting and could be a blockbuster. I could actually see that happening but not likely.

Campbell is the best man for the job but might not be sexy enough.

I think Franklin would rather coach USC.

Tough hire. They probably screw it up.
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Campbell is so overrated. His style of play in sec will be like the Iowa of big ten. 9-3 every year with some 10-2 seasons but never enough to sniff the cfp.
 
HUNT said:
Campbell is so overrated. His style of play in sec will be like the Iowa of big ten. 9-3 every year with some 10-2 seasons but never enough to sniff the cfp.
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Nobody that wins at Iowa State like he has is overrated. They should be 4-8 or 5-7. He's a great coach and apparently a great recruiter.

I don't think he is probably up to the job. There are not many that are. He's better than they are going to hire.

You don't know what a guy like Campbell is until he gets a big job.

If you were just hiring guys to coach with a player salary, Campbell would be one of the top coaches in the country. That is not all that important. You need to be a glad hander and an administrator.

LSU fans would never be happy with Campbell. They'd be disappointed and he'd be a lot like Miles where they did not like that he was handing it off to Guise and Fornette and having them run for 200 years each. They wanted to see some passing.
 
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cubsker said:
Oklahoma took nebraska off its schedule, so yeah.....
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Nebraska left the conference so they stopped playing one another. That was at the point that you did not schedule difficult opponents so they were not going to schedule one another. They are both scared to play one another. But give them credit for playing another game. The rivalry is dead though. Take a year off and the rivalry goes away.
 
It is the SEC (best CFB in the land)...if you ain't "cheating", you ain't trying. LSU is an amazing job/program. Seriously hope they F 'up their hire...but the problems in Gainesville appear to be running deeper than losing to an underperforming squad on an annual basis.
 
Instant Hole said:
Nobody that wins at Iowa State like he has is overrated. They should be 4-8 or 5-7. He's a great coach and apparently a great recruiter.

I don't think he is probably up to the job. There are not many that are. He's better than they are going to hire.

You don't know what a guy like Campbell is until he gets a big job.

If you were just hiring guys to coach with a player salary, Campbell would be one of the top coaches in the country. That is not all that important. You need to be a glad hander and an administrator.

LSU fans would never be happy with Campbell. They'd be disappointed and he'd be a lot like Miles where they did not like that he was handing it off to Guise and Fornette and having them run for 200 years each. They wanted to see some passing.
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well exactly...passing wins in 2021.
 
MrMulligan said:
It is the SEC (best CFB in the land)...if you ain't "cheating", you ain't trying. LSU is an amazing job/program. Seriously hope they F 'up their hire...but the problems in Gainesville appear to be running deeper than losing to an underperforming squad on an annual basis.
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Good to see you Mully. Last two games been wild between the two. I hope with the new SEC they keep the game…it’s the best cross game hands down.

Mully seat GOT to be hot huh? Awful loss for him
 
Why do you think Harbaugh hasn't won shit? He's stuck in 1985. Campbell/Harbaugh/Napier all all just a version of similar philosophies. Pound the rock, win the TOP, FP, get to the 4th with a lead and win turnover battle.

Ohio State, Clemson and Bama all say hello.
 
HUNT said:
Why do you think Harbaugh hasn't won shit? He's stuck in 1985. Campbell/Harbaugh/Napier all all just a version of similar philosophies. Pound the rock, win the TOP, FP, get to the 4th with a lead and win turnover battle.

Ohio State, Clemson and Bama all say hello.
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LSU 2020.
 
twinkie13 said:
Good to see you Mully. Last two games been wild between the two. I hope with the new SEC they keep the game…it’s the best cross game hands down.

Mully seat GOT to be hot huh? Awful loss for him
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Same, sir. This has grown into a true SEC rivalry. Amazingly, we play y'all better when you're the higher rated team.
Mullen is 2-6 last 8 real games with wins against Vandy & Tennessee (real teams?).
He's so damn stubborn and borderline hateful when it comes to staff changes and the fan base. Last year's D was the worst in our history (and you saw those adjustments we did this year when y'all ran the same play 46 times) and all he did was change the secondary coaches...he has burned all his goodwill.
Plus, with The U and FSU DEAD, we should be dominating recruiting...but Mullen's a lazy ass recruiter too.
He'll get another year but the DC hire is HUGE and recruiting staff overhaul is a must.
 
Instant Hole said:
Nebraska left the conference so they stopped playing one another. That was at the point that you did not schedule difficult opponents so they were not going to schedule one another. They are both scared to play one another. But give them credit for playing another game. The rivalry is dead though. Take a year off and the rivalry goes away.
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Oklahoma left the schedule in 1998 at Oklahoma's desire. Nebraska left the conference in 2011.
 
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cubsker said:
Oklahoma left the schedule in 1998 at Oklahoma's desire. Nebraska left the conference in 2011.
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They were in separate divisions. Basically separate conferences. They talked about continuing to play the game as a non-conference game but neither wanted to take a loss.
 
Instant Hole said:
They were in separate divisions. Basically separate conferences. They talked about continuing to play the game as a non-conference game but neither wanted to take a loss.
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Nebraska wanted to play every year. Oklahoma did not. Make whatever excuses you want.
 
cubsker said:
Nebraska wanted to play every year. Oklahoma did not. Make whatever excuses you want.
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That is kind of the story Texas and Texas A&M tell.

Obviously, it did not really work with them being in separate divisions. They weren't going to be playing teams in their conference as non-conference games.
 
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