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Lebron > Jordan
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DeadEyeDuckie
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Agreed the game has changed from then til now, and that makes it hard to really judge. Level of competition, style of play, physique of athletes...
Here's a good question...put James in a game in the late 80s and how does he fare against the Detroit Pistons aka the Bad Boys?
Here's a good question...put James in a game in the late 80s and how does he fare against the Detroit Pistons aka the Bad Boys?
Fondybadger
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He'd be injured in the first quarter and crying on the bench the rest of the game
DeadEyeDuckie
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exactly. So that leads to this follow up question...would James be putting up as great numbers against that style of play/defense? Obviously we'll never know.
eggman
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Just rewatch this Finals. 3/9
RetroVK
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It isn't just that he loses in the finals ... his direct opponent is winning mvp's in them.
Durant is likely going to win this year after what he just did and what curry just did. Direct opponent is Lebron
Durant won it last year. Direct opponent Lebron.
Andre Igoudala won it in 14-15. Direct opponent Lebron.
If you are the best in the history of the sport that just shouldn't happen. I hope he wasn't matched directly against Leonard either or that is fourth one. Insane.
But the most telling factor will be if Lebron leaves Cleveland this year when it is over. If he does, he is admitting again .... that he just doesn't have what it takes and he needs to seek superstars to help him ... Wade was the man for two of his three runs ....If he does it again .. if he leaves because he can't win and he is playing on a team that keeps making the finals .. well, then he sure looks like a quitter.
Durant is likely going to win this year after what he just did and what curry just did. Direct opponent is Lebron
Durant won it last year. Direct opponent Lebron.
Andre Igoudala won it in 14-15. Direct opponent Lebron.
If you are the best in the history of the sport that just shouldn't happen. I hope he wasn't matched directly against Leonard either or that is fourth one. Insane.
But the most telling factor will be if Lebron leaves Cleveland this year when it is over. If he does, he is admitting again .... that he just doesn't have what it takes and he needs to seek superstars to help him ... Wade was the man for two of his three runs ....If he does it again .. if he leaves because he can't win and he is playing on a team that keeps making the finals .. well, then he sure looks like a quitter.
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
This is all nonsense.
Demar DeRozan is the best to have laced up the sneakers.
He plays for the raptors and single handily lifts them to divisional titles and deep playoff runs.
This guy is the new Mj in this league.
Crazy handles unstoppable range stifling defense and as intense of a competitor you wil ever see
Demar DeRozan is the best to have laced up the sneakers.
He plays for the raptors and single handily lifts them to divisional titles and deep playoff runs.
This guy is the new Mj in this league.
Crazy handles unstoppable range stifling defense and as intense of a competitor you wil ever see
Do I need to remind you all about the Finals Failure of all Time (FFOAT)... Lebron>Jordan
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
This thread is of the troll nature given how ridiculous of a question being proposed... however.
Last night sums it up. In his own building, in his prime, completely unable to do anything to stop another player from seizing the moment. Did he even try to guard him defensively?
He proved to me that he's in the legitimate conversation for being #2 after Game 1. But performances like Game 3 are all over his Finals resume.
Last night sums it up. In his own building, in his prime, completely unable to do anything to stop another player from seizing the moment. Did he even try to guard him defensively?
He proved to me that he's in the legitimate conversation for being #2 after Game 1. But performances like Game 3 are all over his Finals resume.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Jordan wasn't just the best player in the league every year beginning in 1991 but he was ALWAYS the best player on the court. Never did he get outplayed or embarassed. Lebron's legacy has Durant now punking him down twice in his own building, a cramp filled blowout vs. the Spurs, and a complete quit vs. the Mavs.
RetroVK
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Wade wasn't scared to take the game winning shot. Lebron still is.
No. Individuals play on a team...
Jordan got embarrassed plenty of times losing to Detroit three years in a row getting crossed over by the rookie Iverson different playoff games where he did get outscored or hoisted up a billion shots while bricking almost all of them.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Beginning in 1991, I said. When he became really the only undefeated athlete in the history of team sports from that year forward.
And one play? A crossover to a dude who was a foot smaller than him and known for his handle? Guy was 15 years younger than him. LOL.
Let me know who outplayed him in any of those 6 finals. Let me know a guard/wing on another team that he didn't shut down.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
And never forget who is the reason that Lebron is not playing with Kyrie, or Wiggins, or the fact they never have draft picks.
Lebron put his loser friends and agents ahead of his legacy and team when he lobbied for bums like Tristin Thompson to get 100 million based solely on the fact that they have the same agents. Don't remember any all time great being concerned so much with representation like this. You think Kobe or MJ would have lobbied for a third of their cap space to be taken up by a bum because they're a client of their agent? Awful stuff. He's the coach, and the GM, of this awful team.
Lebron put his loser friends and agents ahead of his legacy and team when he lobbied for bums like Tristin Thompson to get 100 million based solely on the fact that they have the same agents. Don't remember any all time great being concerned so much with representation like this. You think Kobe or MJ would have lobbied for a third of their cap space to be taken up by a bum because they're a client of their agent? Awful stuff. He's the coach, and the GM, of this awful team.
How many games in his career did you see Michael Jordan play, Cavs?
I don't blame you for not seeing him in his prime, but at no point in any game he ever played was Michael Jordan not willing to take the game 100% completely over when it was crunch time.
LeBron's biggest "fault" (especially now with completely inferior teammates) is that he goes 51/8/8 in G1 but yet down the stretch is looking for George Fucking I Can't Hit a Free Throw Hill.
LeBron is the most unique basketball player to ever play in that his sheer size and strength could allow him to play all 5 positions on both ends of the court.
But there is NOBODY...that had the will to win more than Michael Jordan. And it's not even close.
When did LeBron ever curse and scream and swear and let his teammates know to step their shit up in big spots? Jordan DID THAT REGULARLY...a lot of his teammates thought he was an asshole.
But he made them better...and he was the undoubted leader...and that is why I can't put LBJ (or anyone else) or him.
Nobody will be able to check that intangibles box better than MJ when it comes down to it.
And I grew up rooting for those 90s Knicks teams who he KILLED over and over and over. So I was by no means a fanboy. But like Brady to me as a Jets fan...RESPECT the greatness.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Cavs wasn't even in Elementary School... when MJ was on the Wizards.
But that's part of my point, Spek...
Can't kill the kid for not seeing what we saw...it's a different league and a different world.
If I were 20 years younger and never saw Jordan every season for 20 years, I might have his take.
But Michael Jordan was simply the most ridiculously ferocious refuse-to-lose athlete I ever saw.
In a day and age where players sit out games, just because they're tired...I raise you Jordan's G5 of the Finals with a flu so bad he needed IVs and dropped 38/7/5 (while hitting the game winning shot) in a 2-2 series. Final of that game was 90-88 BTW, just to show the rule differences and style of play changes over 20 years.
Dude was superhuman.
An argument like this isn't about putting one down compared to the other...LeBron James is going to retire with NBA records owned like Peyton Manning has in the NFL.
AND...the most underrated thing about James is that in my 42 years on this Earth, he made the single best defensive play I have ever watched on a basketball court...that came with a minute left in Game 7 of the finals. A finals that they EASILY could have lost if he doesn't make that block racing like a man with his hair on fire down the court...ON THE ROAD.
Dude historically doesn't even get the credit how the immense greatness of that play and when and where it took place. That's a shame.
AND...the most underrated thing about James is that in my 42 years on this Earth, he made the single best defensive play I have ever watched on a basketball court...that came with a minute left in Game 7 of the finals. A finals that they EASILY could have lost if he doesn't make that block racing like a man with his hair on fire down the court...ON THE ROAD.
Dude historically doesn't even get the credit how the immense greatness of that play and when and where it took place. That's a shame.
RetroVK
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That is the advantage of this particular comparison as opposed to other comparisons. We got to see them both. It's hard to imagine a person without an agenda thinking their eyes told them Lebron was a better player.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I have a harder time with Jordan vs Wilt or some other player I never saw then I will ever have with Lebron.
And btw ... it isn't that I think MJ is just a little bit better. I don't think it's close. And that is what annoys so many people about this debate subject when it comes up. The comparison is hilarity at its best.
RetroVK
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Not for the full 48 no. But I think he was the last 5 minutes of the fourth and that is where most NBA finals games are won or lost.
RetroVK
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Given some of the other names in the Hall, I think he is safe for that. And all kidding aside, I think he is probably a top 10 player all time, despite his obvious failings.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Very underrated point you made there. 178 points scored in that game. Last night's game was lined at 216. Essentially, there's over a 20% increase in points scored, possessions, etc.... basically STATS available in today's game vs. in the past. Hard to not amass huge #s today when you handle the ball like Harden, Westbrook, and Lebron do. And that's why they have silly good numbers.
bee172
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Yup. Lebron is definitely a great player, BUT to say he is the GOAT or in the convo of being the GOAT is absurd in my opinion. Stat stuffing son of a gun playing in an era where it’s all about offense. This dude takes plays off on defense and goes through the motions, him in the Boston series GM5 for example, him not even bothering to match up against KD all game.. if he does come to LA, I hope it’s to the Clippers
guaranteeed
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Should he come off the bench next season?
KJ
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RetroVK
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Not in this watered down league. ...maybe in past leagues.
Wheeeee
If he moves to another team because the team he went to the finals (the finals!) with isn't good enough, he just wants to be gifted the championship. He leaves Cleveland and it will be hard to consider him a top 10 all time
Wheeeee
If he moves to another team because the team he went to the finals (the finals!) with isn't good enough, he just wants to be gifted the championship. He leaves Cleveland and it will be hard to consider him a top 10 all time
guaranteeed
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I dont think being ghe best player on a team that wins is ever being gifted anything to be fair
