Lebron > Jordan
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Sammy Meatballs
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Exactly it’s a comparison that really can’t be done.
It’s like comparing Bill gates vs Lavar Ball.
Simply no point in comparing
divol
The Spurs can suck my manhood
I'm half kidding here. This is not a serious thread...
It's unfair and wrong to talk about a player, after his best season ever maybe, as the greatest... He had mediocre seasons as well, including the season he lost to the Magic in the playoffs. I don't believe that MJ or Kobe would have lose that series...
If Bron had played at this level for 4 - 5 seasons, as he played this season, it's one thing. But it's not the case. He had truly amazing season. He is also one of the greatest, but is he GOAT? You can't compare and case can be made about any of 10 - 15 greatest players (Careem, Wilt, Russel, Magic, Bird and few others...).
I would take Kobe over Bron because:
a) I'm Lakers (and Kobe) fan
b) because I believe that when it comes to taking NBA titles, my team has better chance at that, with Kobe or MJ than with LeBron.
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Half kidding???????
You literally capitalized „He.“ you‘ve literally turned MJ into a mythological God in your head
Not about the debate but LeBron is not a better defender, shooter (he has improved obviously), FT shooter at all. Those three are really not debatable.
KJ
Bump. Set. Shuma!
And scoring in the paint against four defenders can't be quantified...obv the game is ridiculously stat friendly today as opposed to that era
If stats are your benchmark, you're admitting defeat
Doesn‘t take much
How would you know? Are you in the room? I type the lol many times just to be "that guy" .
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Exactly!
Cause you lack taste. Lol.
RetroVK
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Some players transcend the team element. Lebron, clearly, does not.
divol
The Spurs can suck my manhood
I can't agree here... because the name of the game is winning titles...
Three points:
1) Unlike other sports or basketball in Europe, NBA has cap limit and Bron's team always been in the top wages wise (Top 3 or Top 5). Kobe, Jordan - all managed to win more rings, despite playing with players that got paid according to cap limit at that time... Level playing field... especially since my second point.
2) Bron, is acting as coach and GM and hand picked players he wants to play with and coach he wanted to be coached by. Who can he blame but himself, for making bad/ wrong choices that don't go well with his style of play? He wanted Love, he wanted Tristan, he wanted Korver and JR... That brings me to the third point
3) Not only that, but unlike MJ or Kobe that played for the same team their whole career, Bron left for Heat to chase rings and admitted that and could have chose to went to team other than Cleveland after the Heat thing ended. He can handpick not only his teammates, but the team as well. Not many teams will say no to him or won't be able to clear enough space to get him (if any). He handpicked his teammates, he handpicked his teams and still got only three rings...
Fourth point about stats - look at the scores back then...
1997:
Game Date Home Team Result Road Team Game 1Sunday, June 1Chicago Bulls84–82 (1–0)Utah JazzGame 2Wednesday, June 4Chicago Bulls97–85 (2–0)Utah JazzGame 3Friday, June 6Utah Jazz104–93 (1–2)Chicago BullsGame 4Sunday, June 8Utah Jazz78–73 (2–2)Chicago BullsGame 5Wednesday, June 11Utah Jazz88–90 (2–3)Chicago BullsGame 6Friday, June 13Chicago Bulls90–86 (4–2)Utah Jazz
1998:
Game Date Home Team Result Road Team Game 1Wednesday, June 3Utah Jazz88–85 OT (1–0)Chicago BullsGame 2Friday, June 5Utah Jazz88–93 (1–1)Chicago BullsGame 3Sunday, June 7Chicago Bulls96–54 (2–1)Utah JazzGame 4Wednesday, June 10Chicago Bulls86–82 (3–1)Utah JazzGame 5Friday, June 12Chicago Bulls81–83 (3–2)Utah JazzGame 6Sunday, June 14Utah Jazz86–87 (2–4)Chicago Bulls
Teams couldn't get to 90 points, not to mention 114 as Cavs got last night and so on... Everyone is talking about how Bron surpassed MJ for number of playoffs games scoring 30+ points... but it's much much harder to score 30 out of 85 points than to score 30 out of 114 points... the same for assists and rebounds as well btw...
Rings mean much more than stats in my eyes...
Again... Bron is amazing and evolved as a player the last two seasons to something amazing, finally bringing him to that elite 10 - 15 players to ever play the game, but you have to keep in mind that the way league changed, really helped him and that he is playing on another level just the last two seasons (that's amazing by itself btw)...
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
Jordan was great no doubts. Won many titles but did have that 1 year off. That’s huge in pro sports when others bodies are breaking down at 30 he had the chance to rest and train.
Jordan was amazing could make tons of plays.
But LEBRON IS GENIUS.
Nobody in this planet of 7 billion has the timing and anticipation of lebron. His rejections are legendary against Iguaduala that chase down rejection was GENIUS.
LEBRON IS GENIUS. he makes plays that no other human could ever make.
His instincts are so insane.
Also what no one mentions is the fact that he can dribble the ball against golden state and FIRE PASSES better than mike vick could ever spin s football.
Does anyone not see this guys psssing? I would have to say there has never been a guy that can pass the ball like lebron.
Jordan was legend
Kobe was intense and relentless
BUT
LEBRON IS GENIUS
Jordan was amazing could make tons of plays.
But LEBRON IS GENIUS.
Nobody in this planet of 7 billion has the timing and anticipation of lebron. His rejections are legendary against Iguaduala that chase down rejection was GENIUS.
LEBRON IS GENIUS. he makes plays that no other human could ever make.
His instincts are so insane.
Also what no one mentions is the fact that he can dribble the ball against golden state and FIRE PASSES better than mike vick could ever spin s football.
Does anyone not see this guys psssing? I would have to say there has never been a guy that can pass the ball like lebron.
Jordan was legend
Kobe was intense and relentless
BUT
LEBRON IS GENIUS
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
RetroVK
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He was actually versatile but he wasn't elite in any of the things he was versatile in doing ... was a really good defender which is as close as he comes to elite in any category ... average rebounder, average scorer (maybe) .....
His defensive versatility coupled with Jordan's ability to take the opponents guard out of the game (tires them on defensive end and just a baller of a defender) gave the bulls a lot of options. You could Pippen on the other scorer .. and when they had Rodman the Jordan-Rodman- Pippen defensive combo was going to be tough on most teams to crack.
I doubt I put Pippen in my top 200 of NBA players though. His success was just Jordan.
His defensive versatility coupled with Jordan's ability to take the opponents guard out of the game (tires them on defensive end and just a baller of a defender) gave the bulls a lot of options. You could Pippen on the other scorer .. and when they had Rodman the Jordan-Rodman- Pippen defensive combo was going to be tough on most teams to crack.
I doubt I put Pippen in my top 200 of NBA players though. His success was just Jordan.
Big daddy naught
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From a post on KSR (not sure what that is but saw it posted on fb)
Jordan vs LeBron
Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has:
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more offensive help, example:
Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring
* In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons
Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago”
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games.
Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games.
Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018)
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
•Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy.
Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard.
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
MIchael Jordan:
•NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg
•Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY
•Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series:
41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
•Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984–85)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987–88)
•Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES.
•Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984–85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987–88), NBA MVP (1987–88, 1990–91, 1991–92, 1995–96, 1997–98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season
* He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990–91, 1991–92, 1992–93, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1997–98)
•One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986–87)
* Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this.
•MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice!
•In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
Jordan vs LeBron
Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has:
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more offensive help, example:
Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring
* In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons
Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago”
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games.
Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games.
Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018)
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
•Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy.
Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard.
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
MIchael Jordan:
•NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg
•Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY
•Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series:
41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
•Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984–85)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987–88)
•Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES.
•Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984–85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987–88), NBA MVP (1987–88, 1990–91, 1991–92, 1995–96, 1997–98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season
* He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990–91, 1991–92, 1992–93, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1997–98)
•One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986–87)
* Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this.
•MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice!
•In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
RetroVK
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Big daddy naught
Pretty much a regular
He is a better shooter than Jordan. I will give you foul shooting. You would take MJ to guard someone over Lebron in a one possession game? You would take MJ to chase down someone or come from the weak side over Lebron?
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BAR would because... SEMCON
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They dont even need a razor to shave
RetroVK
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RetroVK
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Ummm ya I would take Jordan over Lebron in a one possession game on either side of the court ...durrrrr
Yes, MJ is one of the top on the ball defenders of all time. You know how many times Jordan ran down someone down? Too many to count. Shooting, sorry dude, MJ was better. That's your Akron in ya, I get it, but MJ wins any shooting battle. LeBron is streaky and can get hot as hell but he still is slightly behind in shooting.
bee172
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1st thought when I think of Jordan: Cold blooded killer with the instincts and skills to execute on both ends of the court to win at all costs.
1st thought when I think of Lebron: Amazing athlete ala a free safety playing on a basketball court where his atleticism is unmatched BUT lacks the tenacity or will to win it all.
1st thought when I think of Lebron: Amazing athlete ala a free safety playing on a basketball court where his atleticism is unmatched BUT lacks the tenacity or will to win it all.
