Lebron > Jordan
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If you dont like it, answer his question
Fondybadger
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Jordan WON all of his Championships with 1 Team. Didn't sell his Soul to go to South Beach
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Jordan made those around him better. If Lebron doesn't have the teammates he wants he plays GM or leaves to greener pastures.
Alan Tongue
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But would he beat the Dream Team?
Fondybadger
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Probably should start another thread and ask if Lebron could lead Loyola Chicago over the Dream Team.
KJ
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Lebrons story is a much more complicated / less neat one that MJ’s, in part because the league has become exponentially more complicated and collectively intelligent over the last 25 years and also in part that MJ happened to get two full years to reboot towards the end of his prime - different people will frame what that means in very different ways.
What gets lost is the longevity. When this man is done, he will be the all time minutes leader, all time scoring champ despite that not being his defining trait, top 5 in assists despite not being a point guard and top 20 or so in rebounds despite not being a power forward.
What gets lost is the longevity. When this man is done, he will be the all time minutes leader, all time scoring champ despite that not being his defining trait, top 5 in assists despite not being a point guard and top 20 or so in rebounds despite not being a power forward.
Are you arguing that Lebron doesn’t make his teammates better this evening?
Fondybadger
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Hard to make your teammates better when you put up more shots than your #2 and #3 guy combined and turn it over as much as he did
This answer implies you don’t know enough about the sport to have an opinion worth reading.
Fondybadger
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Wow. You didnt even respond to his point.
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Id like to see Lebron scoring/assist per possession percentage bc ofc he‘ll wrack up huge numbers as one-man team
Well isnt today‘s game way higher-scoring so ofc he‘ll get more assists and so on. Especially when he‘s one-man team not to mention playing in easier conf
RetroVK
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Jordans elimination losses were when he stayed in Chicago. Had he conspired with his buddies and migrated to the Celtics or Lakers because he was tired of being on a bad team, things would be a bit different on those numbers.
Jordan's averages in the other categories indicate he is simply better empirically based on the changes in the game.
Who did Lebron beat to get to the finals each year? It isn't a who's who of NBA greats in the least. Tonight, he beat a team without arguably its two best players.
Great player. Agree that he has longevity. But I don't even consider them in the same class, really.
I think taking this team to the finals is one of his bigger accomplishments despite having to beat zero good teams to get there .. which is saying something about how bad his current teammates are. Any 1 person and the four other starters on this team making a finals is an accomplishment.
Lebron kind of reminds me of Elway. Elway put a bunch of teams on his back and led them to superbowls by overachieving and then got destroyed when facing a good team. Lebron has done that a couple of times.
Assuming Houston wins ... he has a shot of leading the worst team ever to win a nba championship, and it would be very hard to not give him credit for that.
Id take Kareem over Lebron not to mention MJ
Fondybadger
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Talk to me about Lebron when he plays baseball
The Jordan Bulls of 91-93 would beat GSW in about 5 games.
The Jordan Bulls of 96-98 would beat GSW in about 5.5-6 games.
And, I hated those Bulls teams so I do not want to give eggman any credit
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FWIW, GSW is a top 5 defensive team of all time imo.
Sadly, if Lebron was more likable, he would have many, many more people on his side. Jordan has that going for him and is a bigger deal than most people will acknowledge.
It’s too close to call IMO, but I’m certain if I was starting a team tomorrow and could draft MJ at age 21 or Lebron at age 21, it’s Lebron without any hesitation. His ability to cover every position on the court at an elite level makes this conversation a reality, and makes him more valuable than anyone in the game’s history.
It’s too close to call IMO, but I’m certain if I was starting a team tomorrow and could draft MJ at age 21 or Lebron at age 21, it’s Lebron without any hesitation. His ability to cover every position on the court at an elite level makes this conversation a reality, and makes him more valuable than anyone in the game’s history.
takeit
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Why is Lebron not likable? The whole "taking my talents to South Beach" thing was a dick move, but otherwise the guy is pretty amazing.
How about the famous story with him dropping a $10 tip on like a $800 bill on a night out with his boys?
Or the fact he was ACTIVELY campaigning for Hilary Clinton and adding onto the political bullshit wave of anti-Trump stuff?
Jordan would NEVER allow the public to see him in a negative light in any fashion based on any of his beliefs. If you don’t think LeBron has pissed off a LOT of people from stuff like that, then I strongly disagree.
And VK made a great argument, he really has a lot of Elway comparisons...just so immensely talented that he can carry his team to 8 straight finals. This Cavs team will be non-competitive against GS just because they couldn’t guard a statue and are so fundamentally inept outside LBJ it’s pathetic.
But the guy is maybe the greatest physically-gifted athlete we’ve seen in any sport ever. Magic is still remembered for playing center in the 80 Finals G6 when Jabbar got hurt and dropped 42...LBJ could LEGIT play an entire season at any of the 5 positions and still be playing at a superstar level.
Highly doubt we ever see an athlete like him ever again. Major intangible...MJ had the “it” factor...guy was the KING of getting the most out of his teammates. Never seen anyone better...
Fun argument though...
I just don’t really see how you can watch this guy and think that somebody has been better at basketball. Maybe his peer but not better. He is in his 15th season, played all 82 games, is having the best postseason of his career, dragged a team of has beens and never were’s to an 8th straight finals.
Just consider the longevity - 8 straight finals. The finals record thing gets convoluted, he’s lost one finals series he was favored in and it was during a point in his career when MJ was busy still not making the finals.
The arguments for MJ are 6-0 in the finals and how much of a killer he was. I get it.
But if you watched last nights game, watched JR Smith and Jeff Green get celebrated like some sort of messiah because they were able to hit a combined 30% from 3 last night when Lebron was spoon feeding them uncontested shots (and kept doing it and trusting them all night despite the bricks), and concluded that Lebron is selfish and doesn’t make his teammates better it means you’re biased and didn’t know what you were watching.
Just consider the longevity - 8 straight finals. The finals record thing gets convoluted, he’s lost one finals series he was favored in and it was during a point in his career when MJ was busy still not making the finals.
The arguments for MJ are 6-0 in the finals and how much of a killer he was. I get it.
But if you watched last nights game, watched JR Smith and Jeff Green get celebrated like some sort of messiah because they were able to hit a combined 30% from 3 last night when Lebron was spoon feeding them uncontested shots (and kept doing it and trusting them all night despite the bricks), and concluded that Lebron is selfish and doesn’t make his teammates better it means you’re biased and didn’t know what you were watching.
