Eagles vs. Chiefs Discussion Thread

Loves2kickass said:
Did OT rules change?
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After the last time kc beat bills. You know when Allen scored w 15-20 seconds left and bills could stop mahomes from going 60+ then marching right down field and then marching field And scoring easy in ot? Someone will have to tell us how they cheated for kc that game! NFL loves kc so much they changed the rule and apologized to bills, but once again why would anyone have any doubt mahomes and Andy Would have won regardless!! Bills are their bitches and nothing and ref or call has had anything to do with it. Burrow didn’t seem to have any problem w refs!l
 
KJ said:
Can make all kinds of what ifs regarding the teams but since '86 when the Bears beat the Pats the Superdome has held 5 Super Bowls and the only one stayed under 56 points was the Rams/Pats Brady breakout. Last one was Ravens over Niners when the lights went out.

Bunch of speed on both teams, I'm opposite you guys on under, I think the number should be at least 51.5 and I'd still be on the over.

One point about these 1.5-2 point spreads. Understanding the OT rules is imperative. If both teams are scoring at will (this easily could have come in play in KC on Sunday) remember that even if a team scores a TD, the other team gets a chance to score a TD. Then it becomes sudden death which gives the edge massively in favor of the team that has the ball first since they'd only have to go 30-35 yds to get into FG range. It was brought up on VSiN that it makes sense for the team that scores 2nd to go for 2 as opposed to tie it up and give the other team an instant shot at getting into FG range. Thus, the possibility of a 1 point game if it goes to OT is very much in play. Again, that applies if you think both teams could score pretty easily in OT, and that might be the case with these two if it gets there.
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Good post KJ
 
B.A.R. said:
The real bet around here for a good 7-8 years was the national anthem.


USA gambling absolutely killed that edge.
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I’m not crazy years ago we had a pretty good run of guys breaking that down and us hitting it by a lot didn’t we? The last 3-4 or so years I’ve stopped following or worrying bout so assuming something went to shit bout it.

Outside betting kc ml pretty big I’ll def hope to find some good plus money props. My brother had a string of hitting any player besides qb to throw a td, that seems somewhat possible but I havnt had time to start looking at props at all, Theresa came home and actually doing much better but it been lot of work! Still nice having her around.
 
2daBank said:
I agree it over or nothing for me, I think philly d and fangio getting way to much respect, Andy has the healthy fresh weapons to take this d apart w Patty, 2 weeks to look at where to attack also? Kc team total a must but I’m with you 51.5 woulda been much stronger number and I still woulda been over or nothing. Unless eagles center re-tweaks his back or is as limited as last game, then I’d prob leave alone cause I’m pretty convinced spags would be a nightmare for them if he could attack A gap, thought a few times commanders shit d even caused problems and after Barkley redic 60 yarder they held him to 14 for 58 rest the way. That the best pulling center in league imo, I’m sure he also handles the line calls, in other words he a huge deal. Assuming he healthy I’ll be on over w you.,

Agree with your 2nd point as well. Said it for bills game i would have taken 3 but was scared to lay -2 w kc. The ml is plenty low and dropping, im gonna be all over Kc -120 or be awesome if less I’ll be going to casino this weekend lomg as Theresa doing well here at home, she just finally came home last night and actually stayed on sectional and we slept there all night, it was nice, at moment she seems to be doing much better (just thought ya should know). Anyways hopefully line don’t move kc way before then but I’ve talked to so many ppl around here and this usually kc heavy crowd and they all told me they betting philly, well most, think I changed someone mind this morning! Lol. That cool he actually the type that will thank me after maybe buy me drink while we cashing our kc tickets!! Anyways def wouldn’t shock me if the 1.5/2 point spread came into play. I would never make a big bet (for me anyways) and let myself get beat by the tiny spread!! I learned that lesson long ago and it was a painful one I never let happen again!!!! lol
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Glad she's home for you both man
 
KJ said:
Can make all kinds of what ifs regarding the teams but since '86 when the Bears beat the Pats the Superdome has held 5 Super Bowls and the only one stayed under 56 points was the Rams/Pats Brady breakout. Last one was Ravens over Niners when the lights went out.

Bunch of speed on both teams, I'm opposite you guys on under, I think the number should be at least 51.5 and I'd still be on the over.

One point about these 1.5-2 point spreads. Understanding the OT rules is imperative. If both teams are scoring at will (this easily could have come in play in KC on Sunday) remember that even if a team scores a TD, the other team gets a chance to score a TD. Then it becomes sudden death which gives the edge massively in favor of the team that has the ball first since they'd only have to go 30-35 yds to get into FG range. It was brought up on VSiN that it makes sense for the team that scores 2nd to go for 2 as opposed to tie it up and give the other team an instant shot at getting into FG range. Thus, the possibility of a 1 point game if it goes to OT is very much in play. Again, that applies if you think both teams could score pretty easily in OT, and that might be the case with these two if it gets there.
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KC getting some points and getting O/U down to lower 40’s been coming back -109 at worst….i know, I know but….
 
2daBank said:
Kinda the opposite way I cap. You basically saying you fading great value cause you think it a trap?

Anyways havnt talked to you much since baseball buddy hope all is well.

Honestly I think eagles are getting a lot more love than ppl think, there an easy argument for their roster overall but imo they paper tigers. Then there so much kc hate/fatigue it sounds to me like lot of those types betting Philly, Philly has a obnoxious fan base who of course thinks kc games are fixed but seem unwilling to acknowledge the fact eagles luck boxed and got plenty of ref help to make it here. I’m baffled everYone focused on kc getting calls when the worst call of playoffs was a replay where it was obvious to everyone packers recovered that opening kick fumble and there absolutely a argument that shit game by both teams that play decided outcome way more than any call kc allegedly got.

Books stuck, ya can’t make the spread more than 3 with any good team vs kc cause just like Brady and pats you know it coming down to 4th qrtr. I get Kc at -120 or whatever And what you think line be when mahomes has the ball down 2-3-4-5-6 points and 2 min left? Prob Kc -250., This a no brainer. Kc has kinda proven they win this game 75% the time minimum and it -125!! Yes please. Maybe this be one the 25x out of 100 Philly wins but I doubt it
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Bases just around the corner. Hows the wife doing?
 
skanless13 said:
Talent wise, Eagles have a slight edge on both sides of the ball. Big edge to KC in QB play. Eagles better in the trenches however And, as I’ve made clear, I think our coach is a fucking idiot and will probably cost us the game. If I can get Philly +3 I’m all over it. Doubt it gets there though
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I think KC is better in the trenches but it's close.
 
HUNT said:
Good stuff. Still 8-0 is 8-0.
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No it's not. This isn't a starting pitcher facing a lineup, this is a quarterback with 10 other guys under an offensive coordinator facing a defense under a defensive coordinator under a head coach who also leads an offense.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
No it's not. This isn't a starting pitcher facing a lineup, this is a quarterback with 10 other guys under an offensive coordinator facing a defense under a defensive coordinator under a head coach who also leads an offense.
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Alright bro. I didn't mean to trigger you. Just thought it was interesting..... And factual.
 
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I know I’ve said this on this message board throughout the playoffs. But sometimes it is as easy as picking the better quarterback and/or the better coach in these matchups, until proven wrong. With this matchup, I’m not just getting the better quarterback and the better coach, I’m getting the best quarterback in the league and the best coach in the league.

On top of that, Andy Reid’s “bye” record is absurd.

Auto-play on the Chiefs for me, until someone shows they can beat this team in the playoffs.
 
emg2525 said:
I know I’ve said this on this message board throughout the playoffs. But sometimes it is as easy as picking the better quarterback and/or the better coach in these matchups, until proven wrong. With this matchup, I’m not just getting the better quarterback and the better coach, I’m getting the best quarterback in the league and the best coach in the league.

On top of that, Andy Reid’s “bye” record is absurd.

Auto-play on the Chiefs for me, until someone shows they can beat this team in the playoffs.
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Bingo
 
emg2525 said:
I know I’ve said this on this message board throughout the playoffs. But sometimes it is as easy as picking the better quarterback and/or the better coach in these matchups, until proven wrong. With this matchup, I’m not just getting the better quarterback and the better coach, I’m getting the best quarterback in the league and the best coach in the league.

On top of that, Andy Reid’s “bye” record is absurd.

Auto-play on the Chiefs for me, until someone shows they can beat this team in the playoffs.
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Definitely can’t blame you for this. They definitely have the better QB and Coach easily. But I feel it for the most part (other than some special teams and center stuff) ends there….
 
skanless13 said:
Definitely can’t blame you for this. They definitely have the better QB and Coach easily. But I feel it for the most part (other than some special teams and center stuff) ends there….
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I’m not going to argue that - Philly has the stars and arguably more talent. Just not sure it matters against those two, though. (And a D Coordinator that has 4 rings)
 
emg2525 said:
I’m not going to argue that - Philly has the stars and arguably more talent. Just not sure it matters against those two, though. (And a D Coordinator that has 4 rings)
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Yep. Not even a fair fight coaching wise. Though Fangio is pretty solid
 
aplous said:
Chiefs haven’t allowed a 100 yard game to an RB since Christmas 2003
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That is simply not true, they are pretty solid vs the run though
*Josh Jacobs put 154 on them Oct 10 2022 & 110 on 11/26/23
 
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bulldogs said:
Bases just around the corner. Hows the wife doing?
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That why I havnt been around all month, she been in hospital from day after Xmas till last week, month and few days I think. It was rough, cutting her up a different way every week but I think they actually may have solved lot the problems. I dunno it a bunch of work her being home but they think they can start chemo w much smaller does and get rid the cancer, lor her biggest problems were from the treatments. Anyways we see, we see her ob oncologist tues and guess we gonna decide a lot.
 
2daBank said:
That why I havnt been around all month, she been in hospital from day after Xmas till last week, month and few days I think. It was rough, cutting her up a different way every week but I think they actually may have solved lot the problems. I dunno it a bunch of work her being home but they think they can start chemo w much smaller does and get rid the cancer, lor her biggest problems were from the treatments. Anyways we see, we see her ob oncologist tues and guess we gonna decide a lot.
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Fukk....so sorry to hear.....lotta love to mrs. bank and thinking good thoughts for you guys
 
2daBank said:
That why I havnt been around all month, she been in hospital from day after Xmas till last week, month and few days I think. It was rough, cutting her up a different way every week but I think they actually may have solved lot the problems. I dunno it a bunch of work her being home but they think they can start chemo w much smaller does and get rid the cancer, lor her biggest problems were from the treatments. Anyways we see, we see her ob oncologist tues and guess we gonna decide a lot.
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My wife been going through breast cancer. Cancer fucking sucks and the treatments are almost as bad as the disease. Hope it gets better. Reach out if you need to talk or anything.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
No it's not. This isn't a starting pitcher facing a lineup, this is a quarterback with 10 other guys under an offensive coordinator facing a defense under a defensive coordinator under a head coach who also leads an offense.
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That’s fair, but at the same time it’s Andy Reid’s offense vs Vic Fangio’s defense…which then brings in everything you just said. And then, 8-0 is still 8-0.
 
bookieassassin said:
Last 2 years
in the 4Q
in one score games
>> KC opponents have been flagged 48X

How many flags for KC?








47
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The whole “KC is getting favorable calls from the officials because the NFL wants them to win” is such garbage. It sounds like what fanatics of losing teams do.

The same EXACT thing happened when the Patriots were in the midst of their dynasty. The fact is that NFL officiating sucks, period. The teams that win more and are on national TV more are obviously then seen by more eyeballs. The same thing could/would be said about most teams if they were on national TV, and playing in important games as much as the Chiefs, because the reality is simply that the officiating sucks across the board.

Like why wouldn’t the NFL rather have the Bills in the Super Bowl, or even the Lions? Based on those teams’ history and futility, tons of people would tune in just to see if they could win one. Also, the KC market isn’t even anywhere near the top of the league, so why would anyone be advocating for a small TV market team like KC to be in the Super Bowl? As usual, when you use common sense and logic, most arguments like this are easily dismantled.
 
FSU24 said:
The whole “KC is getting favorable calls from the officials because the NFL wants them to win” is such garbage. It sounds like what fanatics of losing teams do.

The same EXACT thing happened when the Patriots were in the midst of their dynasty. The fact is that NFL officiating sucks, period. The teams that win more and are on national TV more are obviously then seen by more eyeballs. The same thing could/would be said about most teams if they were on national TV, and playing in important games as much as the Chiefs, because the reality is simply that the officiating sucks across the board.

Like why wouldn’t the NFL rather have the Bills in the Super Bowl, or even the Lions? Based on those teams’ history and futility, tons of people would tune in just to see if they could win one. Also, the KC market isn’t even anywhere near the top of the league, so why would anyone be advocating for a small TV market team like KC to be in the Super Bowl? As usual, when you use common sense and logic, most arguments like this are easily dismantled.
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Dynasties make a ton of cash ...All the novice fans love rooting for a front runner ( especially the Swifties ) , while also giving most real football fanatics a villain to root against .


It's not about the calls , it's about the non calls ..BIL used to text when he was at Pats games ( season ticket holder ) quickly noticed when New England ( became good ) they were often allowed to run pick plays almost all the way down the field on some drives...Thought he was just making it up , until all 22 came out and it was obvious. A pattern appeared to happen where if the Refs called it early in the game they'd stop doing it.
If anyone doesn't think the Pats got favorable treatment from the refs I strongly urge them to watch the Jags playoffs game , especially the later part of the 4th quarter. Also 2 playoff games vs the Ravens , and one against the Steelers .. blatantly obvious ...

Please watch Chiefs games on all 22 the RT lines up in a illegal position almost 40% of the time , the LT holds in free roll on key drives. Sure both tackles get their share of penalties , but it's the egregious ones that are not called ...Also on defense McDuffie and Reid get away with a ton of holding .. most of the Blatant ones again appear on key drives .



All that being said I think the refs did okay with the AFC championship game ...BILLS screwed themselves with Kair Elam seeing the field and Kincaid dropping a ball he would often catch .
 
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DOUBLEUP4LIFE said:
Dynasties make a ton of cash ...All the novice fans love rooting for a front runner ( especially the Swifties ) , while also giving most real football fanatics a villain to root against .


It's not about the calls , it's about the non calls ..BIL used to text when he was at Pats games ( season ticket holder ) quickly noticed when New England ( became good ) they were often allowed to run pick plays almost all the way down the field on some drives...Thought he was just making it up , until all 22 came out and it was obvious. A pattern appeared to happen where if the Refs called it early in the game they'd stop doing it.
If anyone doesn't think the Pats got favorable treatment from the refs I strongly urge them to watch the Jags playoffs game , especially the later part of the 4th quarter. Also 2 playoff games vs the Ravens , and one against the Steelers .. blatantly obvious ...

Please watch Chiefs games on all 22 the RT lines up in a illegal position almost 40% of the time , the LT holds in free roll on key drives. Sure both tackles get their share of penalties , but it's the egregious ones that are not called ...Also on defense McDuffie and Reid get away with a ton of holding .. most of the Blatant ones again appear on key drives .



All that being said I think the refs did okay with the AFC championship game ...BILLS screwed themselves with Kair Elam seeing the field and Kincaid dropping a ball he would often catch .
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It’s not about the calls? It’s clearly both the calls and non calls. Chiefs are just a well coached team that officials are very aware of.
 
wiseplayer said:
It’s not about the calls? It’s clearly both the calls and non calls. Chiefs are just a well coached team that officials are very aware of.
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I don't think well coached teams make it to 15 straight conference championships without the benefit of the refs here and there ...Pats and Chiefs are monster money makers. Doubt that $100 billion deal happens without either dynasty


Just my opinion
 
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skanless13 said:
My wife been going through breast cancer. Cancer fucking sucks and the treatments are almost as bad as the disease. Hope it gets better. Reach out if you need to talk or anything.
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Not to compare misery but think we have taken breast cancer in heartbeat. The cirvical been no fun but you right it isn’t the cancer it the fucking treatments, all her recent issues have been the treatments destroying her insides. They actually doing a good job on the cancer just dunno she gonna be able to live thru all the other things treatments have caused. Appreciate you and the others who have reached out it means a lot, our thoughts w ya’ll as well.

It really up to her right now she back home and at 1st she would let me help her up then she can get around w Walker. Then I trust her and she turns into a total junkie. I know she’s in pain but I also know she cares way more bout just getting high she can and not care if she laying in filth I have to clean. I told her I can’t fucking do if, she will be in assisted living if all she wants is to be a junkie ass zombie after hearing best news we have got in a year! I actually got clean while she was in hospital and been wanting that so bad for so long now. I have no interested laying around and running thru her drugs then spending all her money on steer drugs do when she dies lucky for her I’ll be a laid out junkie and have to go back Thu a month of misery which I have no intention of doing again. I’m fine giving her her prescribed shit and maybe I take one here anc there (lol, I’m mo angel) but that dint make me junkie I have good control when she not pushing me. Anyways now she giving me a bunch of crying guilt trips but I’ve been manipulated by here more than enough over the years I know what it looks like and she doesn’t know I just let her.

I love her more than anything, obviously I been going thru this 2 years and I will another however long but not if she just wants to be a zombie and I’m here slave
 
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